Govindaram

Hare Krishna

The way I look at depression is, we are in a diseased condition of life already, some ppls have more 'degrees' than others, some ppls need more help, some not so much, there is NOTHING to be ashamed of in this matter, the whole world is under Maya, the mind wants some solace in mundane activities, because it sees it as happiness, which in reality is poison because it destroys spiritual realisation, if you want to get help from the doctors go, but in the long run you can only find solace in the Holy name, no there way, no other way, no other way.

"Regarding Bhakti Puri*, Tirtha Maharaja, they are my God-brothers and should be shown respect. But you should not have any intimate connection with them as they have gone against the orders of my Guru Maharaja." Srila Prabhupada Letter to Pradyumna 02/17/68

Don't forget the *comma* , i put it in for you prabhu. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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No,

You need association of elevated devotees, pray to Lord Caitanya/, i can't say anything more than that.

Best of luck!

Hare Krishna

Forgive me, I have a little hard time understanding what you said, but understood some of it, i will have to re-read and maybe do 64 rounds to get a little purifyed:)-

Haribol!

Ps. Do you know of any disiples of Srila Bhakti Vaibhava Puri Maharaja in the uk?

Have you met Srila Puri Maharaj before, prabhuji?

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No i have never met Maharaj before.

Hare Krishna

I know this may seem like an old question, and it just keeps bugging me,

Did His Divine Grace say to stay away from his Godbrothers?..if so did he mean all of them, or just some, i only ask because i know Srila Prabhupada associated with Puri Maharaja, so this has to be a good sigh right?

My other question is, how do Iskcon see all the above etc, any thoughts, i hope this can be answered simply, and not create a disturbance on this thread..haribol!

I find Puri Maharaja very nice humble devotee, unlike i have seen, jaya prabhupada!

Ps. That guest post was mine, i guess it was obvious, so i'd better own up /images/graemlins/grin.gif

You know how it is!

I am no expert, but from your posts i can see you are a devotee in the mode of ignorance, so you cannot see what-is-what, i don't have the expertise or experince to advice you, i hope somebody who does can.

Chant the Maha-Mantra, in a humble state of Mind:

<font color="red"> Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare </font color>

<font color="red"> Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare </font color>

Your mind is stupid, don't think just chant, in time, with practice you will get better. and once you become a devotee don't forget who gave you the advice in the first place. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Hare Krishna

I devotee said to me about this thread, that what about Karma?..we don't know anything about our past karma, and most of us, don't even give-it it a secound thought (unless)..but anyways, this is like the same thing, we will just never know, and i know what you're all thinking, that i would probably ask Krishna when i meet Him, well i wouldn't what would be the point? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thankyou..hare krishna!

Jaya Prabhupada!

Hare Krishna

Ghari Prabhu, where did you get that Lecture notes from, whereabouts is it in the folio, nectar!

Hare Krishna

I have a question:

When our Karma is burned-up, by devotional service, do we at once recieve full-knowledge? and love of godhead..

if this is so, then i would say getting rid of our karma is such a big priority, because Krishna Consiousness doesn't produce any good/bad results, any thoughts, or have i just answered the question myself?lol

Free will, makes you come here(the forum, not this earth) this same free will when dove-tailed in the service of devotees/krishna, can help you go back HOME. sounds so very simple, the thing is it Is, just chant harinama. Mr stumps no.1 question baffled me, thankyou for your support.

Haribol!

hare Krishna

2. Make it difficult, Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu says just chant this Maha-Manta |hare krishna|, how easy do you want it?

Mr Antient Prabhu has all the answers.

1. We are perfect, but we choose not to be, its not krishna's fault, that we wanted to be apart from Him, we are His parts and parcels (spirit souls), we can ONLY be happy with Him, the end.

2. God (Krishna) is not so cheap, that He can be known by anybody, its that we want to be apart from Him, not the other way around, it goes back to another thread, where a devotee says we are envious of Krishna, this is 100% true.

Hare Krishna

"He does not say one cannot fall from one's original spiritual nature"

Grr, this free will is an obstacle in bhakti or what.

Hare Krishna

if there is a quote somewhere which says we fell-down from Goloka vrindavana, that would help, vaithuntha and goloka are 2 different places.

Yes, all we can do now is try and get back, still i want to know the above question, and sinnimat prabhu would also like to know /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Hare Krishna

I am making the inquiry, basically because, i want to think i am Not so dumb, that i would have left the company of Krishna, so..you can tell i have a high regard for myself /images/graemlins/cool.gif

Ps. You need to be a little quick on the Edit' posts. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hare Krishna

I mean, were we actually ever with Krishna, not Lord Vishnu with 4 handed form in Vaithuntha?

It interests me because we must have been pretty 'duh', to leave Krishna's company.

Hare Krishna

I heard in a lecture by Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada:

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His Divine Grace says "we have also come down from Vaikuntha",

so does this mean that we have never actually been in Goloka Vrindavana? /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

"How can you be so rude to Hindus who visit this forum? Your attitude stinks"

You must be a Hindu then, i am not even offeneded anymore since knowing i am an eternal servant of Krishna/

It doesn't say In Vedas 'by all the veda i am not be known by the hindus'..does it..what are you offeneded about?

Anyways i haven't made a post today so i thought i would stick my head into this thread, i was getting withdrawal symtoms, so i had to post. Haribol

Ps. Your point is great, only Krishna has right over our material body.

The holy name of the Lord-Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare-is a transcendental vibration because it comes from the transcendental platform, the supreme abode of Krishna. Because there is no difference between Krishna and His name, the holy name of Krishna is as pure, perfect and liberated as Krishna Himself. Academic scholars have no entrance by means of logic and other argument into the understanding of the transcendental nature of the holy name of God. The single path in understanding the transcendental nature of Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare is the chanting of these names with <font color="red"> faith and adherence. </font color>

Teachings of Lord Caitanya

His Divine Grace Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada:

<font color="red"> Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, </font color> "I am not a brahmana. I am not a ksatriya. I am not a vaisya. I am not a sudra. I am not a sannyasi. I am not a grhastha. I am not a brahmacari." Then "What You are?" Because within these eight categories, we are living. But Caitanya Mahaprabhu says, "I don't belong to all these categories." Then "What You are, Sir?" Gopi-bhartuh pada-kamalayor dasa-dasanudasah. "I am the servant of the servant of the servant of the servant of Krsna, the maintainer of the gopis."

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Los Angeles, January 31, 1969

Prabhupada: (sings)

nitai-pada-kamala, koti-candra-susitala,

je chayay jagata juray

heno nitai bine bhai, radha-krsna paite nai,

drdha kori' dharo nitair pay

se sambandha nahi ja'r, brtha janma gelo ta'r,

sei pasu boro duracar

nitai na bolilo mukhe, majilo samsara-sukhe,

vidya-kule ki koribe tar

ahankare matta hoiya, nitai-pada pasariya,

asatyere satya kori mani

nitaiyer koruna habe, braje radha-krsna pabe,

dharo nitai-carana du'khani

nitaiyer carana satya, tanhara sevaka nitya,

nitai-pada sada koro asa

narotamma boro dukhi, nitai more koro sukhi,

rakho ranga-caranera pasa

Nitai-pada-kamala, koti-candra-susitala, je chayay jagata juray. This is a song by Narottama dasa Thakura, a great acarya of the Gaudiya-vaisnava-sampradaya. He has written many songs about the Vaisnava philosophy, and they are approved as completely corresponding with Vedic instructions. So here Narottama dasa Thakura is singing that "The whole world is suffering under the blazing fire of material existence. Therefore, if one takes the shelter of the lotus feet of Lord Nityananda...," whose birthday is today, 31st, January, 1969. So we should relish this instruction of Narottama dasa Thakura that in order to get relief from the pangs of blazing fire of this material existence, one should take shelter of the lotus feet of Lord Nityananda because it is as cooling as the moon rays combined together of millions of moons. That means one will immediately find peaceful atmosphere. Just like a man works whole day and if he comes under the moonshine he feels relief.

Similarly, any materialistic man who comes under the shelter of Lord Nityananda will immediately feel that relief. Then he says,

nitai-pada-kamala, koti-candra-susitala,

je chayay jagata juray,

heno nitai bine bhai, radha-krsna paite nai,

dharo nitai-carana du'khani

He says that "If you are anxious to go back to home, back to Godhead, and become associate with Radha and Krsna, then the best policy is to take shelter of Nityananda." Then he says, se sambandha nahi ja'r, brtha janma gelo ta'r: "One who has not been able to contact Nityananda, then one should think of himself that he has simply spoiled his valuable life." Brtha janma gelo, brtha means for nothing, and janma means life. Gelo ta'r , spoiled. Because he has not made connection with Nityananda. The Nityananda, very name, suggests... Nitya means eternal. Ananda means pleasure. Material pleasure is not eternal. That is the distinction. Therefore those who are intelligent, they are not interested with this flickering pleasure of material world. Every one of us, as living entity, we are searching after pleasure. But the pleasure which we are seeking, that is flickering, temporary. That is not pleasure. Real pleasure is nityananda, eternal pleasure. So anyone who has no contact with Nityananda, it is to be understood that his life is spoiled.

se sambandha nahi ja'r, brtha janma gelo ta'r,

sei pasu boro duracar

Narottama dasa Thakura uses here very harsh word. He says that such human being is an animal, an uncontrollable animal. As there are some animals that cannot be tamed, so anyone who has not contacted Nityananda, he should be considered as an untamed animal. Sei pasu boro duracar. Why? Because nitai na bolilo mukhe : "He never uttered the holy name of Nityananda." And majilo samsara-sukhe, "and become merged into this material happiness." Vidya-kule ki koribe tar. "That nonsense does not know that what will his education and family and tradition and nationality will help him?" These things cannot help him. These are all temporary things. Simply, if we want eternal pleasure, we must contact Nityananda. Vidya-kule ki koribe tar. Vidya means education, and kula means family, nationality. So we may have a very nice family connection or we may have very nice national prestige, but after ending this body, these things will not help me. I'll carry my work with me, and according to that work, I shall have to accept by force another type of body. It may be something other than human body. So these things cannot protect us or give us the real pleasure. So Narottama dasa Thakura advises that vidya-kule ki koribe tar. Then he says, ahankare matta hoiya. "Being maddened after false prestige and identification..." False identification with the body and prestige of bodily relationship, it is called ahankare matta hoiya. One is mad after this false prestige. Ahankare matta hoiya, nitai-pada pasariya. Due to this false prestige we are thinking, "Oh, what is Nityananda? What can He do for me? I don't care." So these are the signs of false prestige. Ahankare matta hoiya, nitai-pada pasa..., asatyere satya kori mani. The result is that I am accepting something which is false. For example, I am accepting this body. This body, I am not this body. Therefore, with false identification I am becoming entangled more and more. So one who is puffed up with this false prestige, ahankare matta hoiya, nitai-pada pa..., asatyere satya kori mani, he accepts something wrong as right. Then he says, nitaiyer koruna habe, braje radha-krsna pabe. If you are actually serious about going back to home, back to Godhead, then please seek after the mercy of Nityananda. Ahankare...

nitaiyer koruna habe, braja radha-krsna pabe,

dharo nitai-carana du'khani

"Please catch up the lotus feet of Nityananda." Then he says, nitaiyer carana satya. One may think that as we catch hold of so many shelter, but in this material world later on they prove false, similarly, suppose we catch hold of the lotus feet of Nityananda; it may also prove false. But Narottama dasa Thakura assures that nitaiyer carana satya: "It is not false. Because Nityananda is eternal, His lotus feet is also eternal." Tanhara sevaka nitya. And anyone who takes to the service of Nityananda, they also become eternal. Without being eternal, nobody can serve the eternal. That is the Vedic injunction. Without becoming Brahman, one cannot approach the Supreme Brahman. Just like without being fire, nobody can enter into the fire. Without being water, nobody can enter into the water. Similarly, without being fully spiritualized, nobody can enter into the spiritual kingdom. So nitaiyer carana satya. If you catchnitaiyer, the lotus feet of Nityananda, then you become immediately spiritualized. Just like if you touch electricity, immediately you become electrified. That is natural. Similarly, Nityananda is eternal happiness, if you touch Nityananda some way or other, then you become also eternally happy. Tanhara sevaka nitya. Therefore one who has in contact with Nityananda, they have become eternal.

nitaiyer carana satya, tanhara sevaka nitya,

drdha kori' dharo nitair pay

So just catch Him very tightly. Narottama boro duhkhi, nitai more koro sukhi. At the last Narottama dasa Thakura, the composer of this song, he is appealing to Nityananda, "My dear Lord, I am very unhappy. So You please make me happy. And You kindly keep me in corner of Your lotus feet." That is the sum and substance of this song. (end)

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harer nama harer nama harer nama eva kevalam

kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha

[Adi 17.21]

"'For spiritual progress in this Age of Kali, there is no alternative, there is no alternative, there is no alternative to the holy name, the holy name, the holy name of the Lord.'

<font color="red"> Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare! </font color>

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