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Ramcharitramanas is possible only after attaining inner peace.

Theist is right. Lord Krishna always tries to make us understand that giving our service to Cows is what is needed to prime and the service that Cows provide us is secondary... that also we are allowed to drink the milk only after all calves have been fully fed. Consuming the milk without considering how our sweet mothers are being treated is blindness.

Hither and Thither.

(3) Is not exactly what Sri Tulsidasa meant. Lord Shiva was given a great place in the Ramcharitramanasa but was shown as a Bhakta only. There'll be a place where Rama is shown praying to Lord Shiva. But the context is needed to be understood. Remember, the description of Lord Shiva's marriage is given and also even before the birth of Lord Ganesha, it is mentioned that, both Parvati and Lord Shiva bowed in front of the Murti of Ganesha for benediction. Lord Rama's came here to show what an ideal man is. Sri Tulsidasa's description of the event of Malleshwaram was what actually is meant to be done for a man before undertaking any task.. that is prayer to Mahadeva... Lord Krishna even washed the feet of Sudama.. that does not mean that the role Bhakta and Bhagwan was interchanged. Madhava is right in that sense and also there is no contradiction with what Tulsidasa said. Tulsidasa never actually gave the same position of Rama with Shiva, but acknowledges Lord Shiva to be from a different platform. It is known in Hinduism that there are 3 figures that has never changed their Bodies.. Vishnu, Shesha and Shiva. That has been recited in the Ramcharitramanas but not in a recount.. it was said when Parvati asked Lord Shiva.. what are the significance of the skull garland? Lord Shiva said.. it is all the Parvatis that He collects in memory when they die. (2) and (3) might show an apparent contradiction.. but that also it seems in appearance but in substance it is not so. It is said in the Ramcharitramanasa that He [Tulsidasa met Sri Rama]. But many will agree? But it is also said that Sri Tulsidasa is the incarnation of Sri Valmiki. Valmiki met Sri Rama. Anyways; all that might be again tried in a hypothesis.. but with the neat vision of Spirituality.. the words and apparent contradiction of Sri Tulsidasa can be understood.

That is your opinion. The tears of joy of Shabri.. The annoying mood of the Gopis when Sri Hari parted ways. The agony of Mira Bai due to separation from Sri Krishna. The tender caress of Yashoda. The tears of Ramanuja when his master failed to understand a verse dedicated to Sri Hari. The cry of Guha. The smile of Bhisma when Sri Hari raised a weapon. the list is long... True.. you've got the Jnana.. time for Vijnana now. Your mind was never in search for Bhakti, that's why. My aim is Bhakti, to arouse the divine sentiment for Sri Rama. Well, I now can understand your style... so I should now concur with you. 1.You are right... Tulsidasa's saw himself meeting the Lord during that period as well when the Lord was there. OMG, how's that possible. 2.Tulsidasa missed 2 Kandhas also. 3.et al Hmmm.... you are right. At least some common ground. But I yet have some questions.. why was it important to have Ramayana in the first instance. Is it a valid text? Why beleive in the word of Valmiki? Is it Sruti?

To tell you the Truth I don't come from any kind of system itself. Even while reading the Gita.. I did it with scrunity..I never bothered how many verses it held.. even if there'll be one additional verse... it will have to pass through a proper testing channel. Well, by saying all that.. it showed my degree of Ahankara.. But, to go more deeper.. I will say... the important word is Dependence.. dependence on the Supreme. What I can see is many things are mechanised down here.. sticking to some discipline... The basic funda of self realisation to be completed is detachment to the regulative principle in itself, to the belief system and everything else.. where truth is, there should one be. The coming of Sri Sankara to explain a particular doctrine was the necessity of that time and so was that of Sri Tulsidasa's. However, I care less about how many verses was added or removed to make the Sri Ramcharitramanas as long as it remained pristine in its depiction of Bhakti. I've read the Sri Ramcharitramasa.. It gave the same essence as the Bhagvatam combined not to mention about the Ramayana..

Bhakti is based on sentiment. All rational logic and intelligent know how comes before Bhakti. Bhakti is the unattached duty attached to the Lord. That very sentiment is dedicated to Sri Rama. Had it not been the case, it would not have been sanctioned in the first instance. So be it.. but none can prove the contrary to me either. I've only told you the fact. The reason is that I can see that.. is because I've done many research work on all that and everything that I'm saying was based on the sayings of those greats only. Now if you say so, then everything should become a hypothesis only. All the facts will be given, according to your degree of consiousness, the conclusion will be Automated. Choice is always yours.

Then the poetic beauty that only Sri Tulsidasa beholds would have gone into waste. The thorough study of Sri Tulsidasa's life only can give a more justified answer to your question. His first attempt of translation or summary was not in Awadhi. How he chose that particular language is in itself a great story.. having known this, all your questions will be answered. Tulsidasa's Bhakti is the reason for the existence of The Ramcharitramanas.. and Bhakti means approval of God. The Ramcharitramanas is as Authorative as the Ramayana.. of this I've no doubt. It's impact was seen during the cleansing process of many greats while preparing for the great battle of independence of India. The Ramcharitramanasa was one of the major inspiration of that era. Gandhiji's and Ram Manohar Loria's were great students of that collossal text. The question is not about being qualified or not, but the demand of circumstance. The important factor was to preserve the essence of Ramayana, that is Bhakti and Sri Tulsidasa is just the epitome in that matter. What the North Indian can understand or not in terms of linguistic capabilities does not really matter.. what matter is that it gave unflinching devotion to many and in consequence, they became so so heavy that even the British could not hold that weight. No weapon, no act of violence, no deceit, no duplicity but only Bhakti as their ammunition in their Arsenal, but still they made the British have some rude time. The influence of Sri Tulsidasa's Ramcharitramanasa is inestimable..

There is the need.. Sanskrit is complex for many these days. I've listened to Mukesh's Chaupai on the Ramcharitramanas... and that taught me how damn hard the task is to give a perfect translation, that too in a poetic way and also intensifying the element of Bhakti in each line.

Meditating on anything else is known by dhyana.. but the concept of meditation on Sri Krishna is known by something else.. it is known as Bhakti. There are several route given by greats like Sri Sankara, Buddha et al but there main focus is not as expansive and selfless as that of Sri Krishna. The Gitam is enough to make someone understand that... you can meditate on Om but if you have tasted just a bit of the narration of the leelas of Sri Hari.. then no matter how much you would like to go away from Him.. the Tunes of HIS Flute will bring you again to His Lotus feet.

It already is. I guess, Kaisersose you are not from India... else I should say you are blind and deaf. Tulsidasa's Ramcharitramanas is the most influential work in the recent times. Its impact is all over Mauritius also.. I mean among the Hindu community. Your sentiment won't help much here.. please see the ground reality.

Simply beautiful. Reading was a pleasure.

For some rituals that I've heard by local priest et al.. the green Haldi is Mandatory.. But the Black one it's for the first time I've heard. Concerning, Haldi used as ingredients for a recipe.. then I'm the greatest of ignorant.. the only I know is Eating.

turmeric, I guess is Haldi... I've heard about the normal haldi... and also the hara [Green] Haldi.. but the first time kaala [black] haldi.. I hope so it is Haldi first all.. else ignore my message..

Petit Papa Noel, quand tu descendras du ciel, avec des jouets par milliers n'oublie pas mes petits souliers... Joyeux noel a vous tous. Merry xmas to you all. Cheers....

The Heart is the vessel where 2 souls reside... The sacred text beautifully explains that "The heart is compared to a branch where 2 birds reside.. one is the jivatma and the other the Parmatma..." The Parmatma acts as the silent witness and also as the rod of chastisement depending on the level of Monkey-ism of the other bird. The Parmatma is distinct from the Jivatma.. but the Parmatma is the soul of all the souls. We are part of Truth, He is the absolute Truth... Don't go by the Theory of the soul to be merged to parmatma after liberation.. we were never detached from Him..We are part and parcel of the Supreme from time without beginning... we are all already interconnected like a threaded necklace.. just that we've forgotten that very beautiful relationship.. The basic principle of the soul is needed to be known.. the rest comes automatically.. and the only Teacher is Sri Krishna...

It is you who is the Teacher, when we speak about Harmony. I should be thankful to you.

Thanks Avinash...

You forgot that there millions of planet and as such many ups and downs and as such.. you're perception of permutation and combination concerning the change of Garment between elements is not profound enough... since there are chances of animals getting human bodies, of hellman getting the chance for redemption or the falling of many from the upper planetary systems. The list concerning the explanation of such phenomenon is not exhautive.. just read the Gita well.. everything is there.

Indeed, it is impossible to trace the moves and thinking of a liberated soul.. He becomes as mysterious as His Lord... but luckily, He comes in servitude mood.

For the soul there is neither birth nor death.. Na Hanti Na Hanyate... No one kills and no one dies... What an untrained eye can see is just the external evolution without really realizing the internal changeless state which is the cause for bliss and the former, the cause for distress... A man of proper intelligence becomes the cause for the proper manipulation of these opposite state... There is a big difference between yourself and your garment.. you remain you even after changing many garments... a man in suit feels proud of himself, identifying himself with that suit he becomes what he is not... likewise for the sloven... he think himself inferior by identifying himself by his cloth... see how the garment is the source of the miseries of Happiness and distress... Maili Chaadar Odhke Kaise<o:p></o:p> Dwaar Tumhaare Aaoon<o:p></o:p> Hey Paavan Parameshwara Mere<o:p></o:p> Man Hi Man Sharmaaoon<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Tune Mujhko Jag Me Bhejaa<o:p></o:p> Nirmal Dekar Kaayaa<o:p></o:p> Is Sansaar Me Aakar Maine<o:p></o:p> Isko Daag Lagaaya<o:p></o:p> Janam Janam Ki Maili Chaadar<o:p></o:p> Kaise Daag Chudaaoon<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Nirmal Vaani Paakar Tujhse<o:p></o:p> Naam Na Teraa Gaayaa<o:p></o:p> Nain Moondhkar He Parameshwar<o:p></o:p> Kabhi Naa Tujhko Dhyaayaa<o:p></o:p> Man Veena Ki Taaren Tooti<o:p></o:p> Ab Kyaa Geeth Sunaaoon<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> In Pairon Se Chal Kar Tere<o:p></o:p> Mandir Kabhi Na Aayaa<o:p></o:p> Jahaan Jahaan Ho Poojaa Teri<o:p></o:p> Kabhi Naa Sees Jhukaayaa<o:p></o:p> Hey Harihar Main Haar Ke Aayaa<o:p></o:p> Ab Kyaa Haar Chadhaaoon <o:p></o:p>

That you'll have to ask Hanumatha when he grew so eager to serve His Mighty Lord.. That you'll have to ask Shabri and the intensity of Her emotion emitted while feeding the Lord with the fruits which were first tasted by Her.. That you'll have to ask Jatayu and His long awaited blessing to serve the Lord, that too by giving His Life.. That you'll have to ask Sita Maa, even after being abandoned Her Husband.. unlike many.. the Universal Mother's Love for the Universal Father grew exponentially.. The list is incomplete.. Ahalya et al... Your doubt about "The Greatest of Sri Ram" is putting me in doubt about your capacity to assimulate.

The Word Sri which you have used.. there is nothing you've left for me to add.

Yeh paisa hein kaisa.. Yeh paisa mussibat..

True. Makes sense. All the forms of Bhagwan is equally auspicious. They are eternally existent.. so how come one is the source of the other. It is going to be tough to convince me that My Ram has a source. Ram is Krishna.. Krishna is Ram.