The Origins of the Satan Myth and impact to global politics

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Indeed!

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But in the deal worked out with the president, McCain was willing to add two paragraphs to give civilian interrogators legal protections that are already afforded to military interrogators. This means that civilians would be able to defend their use of interrogation tactics by arguing in court that a "person of ordinary sense and understanding would not know the practices were unlawful."

 

http://www.antiwar.com/ips/fisher.php?articleid=8270

 

...very good for nothing that is....

 

 

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...so take your abrahamic thoughts to Christian/muslim forums. These posts don't fit here. I hope I've simplified this enough for you to understand.

 

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I forgot to ask - so <font color="red"> what happens </font color> if I don't thus stop posting this here? - LOL /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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...it seems nowaday's the slightest provocation is an excuse to harras one another as what is left to do once your rich and powerful and have all material acquisitions, what else is there to satisfy the senses than to engage the animal propensity in doggish games to get a kick out of life...

 

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So true - I shudder to think of the needless suffering caused by the violations of others - in the manner you've noted!

 

Why do we see a growing sickness in the social body – “the plant”? It is because the root - the elite - is watering with contaminated waters - thus spreading it to the whole of the body of ‘the plant’ - i.e.: society.

 

I often think that SGI [and others?] implanted me - out of just such a sense of lording it over - in a dark and covert manner.

 

I know that 'some participants' - under the impetus of these 'others' are thus spoiled – that that elite engaged these - who were then manipulated into doing something their hearts told them - was simply wrong.

 

I have to forgive ‘those people’ while at the same time - ensuring that the impersonal governmental entity - [in the form of a department or whatever the case] - may be prohibited from these abuses – and 'that' is why I fight – they all may think it’s spite [and some days it feels like it should be for spite] but - it isn’t spite.

 

Why is it about 'compensation'? In their world it's all about 'the money' - isn't it?

 

So if they choose to not pay on 'that' route - there is then - the 'other' course - public disgrace and criminal courts - why would they want to take 'that' course? /images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

I hope that there shall soon be a time of - proper understanding in the world’s sane elite – there is a struggle within ‘the new world order’ – between those manipulating the end-times – as a cult and - those who know better…

 

BDM

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Maharaja Yudhisthira was intelligent enough to understand the influence of the age of Kali, characterized by increasing avarice, falsehood, cheating and violence throughout the capital, state, home and among individuals. So he wisely prepared himself to leave home, and he dressed accordingly. [sB 1.15.37]

 

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...The symptoms of the Kali-yuga, as mentioned above, namely avarice, falsehood, diplomacy, cheating, nepotism, violence and all such things, are already in vogue, and no one can imagine what is going to happen gradually with further increase of the influence of Kali till the day of annihilation. We have already come to know that the influence of the age of Kali is meant for godless so-called civilized man; those who are under the protection of the Lord have nothing to fear from this horrible age...

 

If society is guided by political diplomacy, with one nation maneuvering against another, it will certainly sink like a stone boat. political maneuvering and diplomacy will not save human society [sB 6.7.14, purport]

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Well where are you now - you just drop in for a few insults and then leave? What are you going to come here with next?

 

As you make your crazy judgements it is clear that it is either envy or something else motivating them...[just so you know that].

 

What you do here - in posting your remarks has nothing to do with "KC"...

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A picture is worth a thousand words...

 

 

My animation gif is hosted for free at:

 

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May God give Mr. Sharon strength to complete this peace process...soon!

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<big>This morning I was downtown and I happened to walk by the casino and low and behold – what do I see written in large letters - in the snow by the sidewalk?

 

First - there was a drawn heart with “AYUM” beside it - follwed with “KRISHNA” in large letters – then more writing - something like "KURMA" [but it was misspelled].

 

I really do wonder how all that got there – I had walked right by there but less than an hour before and this wasn’t there! [AND there are NO western devotees here but myself and my god-brother!]

 

So is that a sign from Krishna or - a head-game being played by oh so invisible [not really!] government stalkers?

 

I’ll choose to accept that it was indeed Lord Krishna who arranged for me to see that there today – for a lift – even if they wrote it!

 

One who chants the holy name of the Lord is immediately freed from the reactions of unlimited sins, even if he chants indirectly [to indicate something else], jokingly, for musical entertainment, or even neglectfully. This is accepted by all the learned scholars of the scriptures. [sB 6.2.14]

 

All Glories to the Holy Name!</big>

 

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yeh bhakta don there are insidious and wierd people in kali yuga who don't play a straight game, insidious is the perfect word for this type of thing even if this was not what it seems these things are definitely going all around us.

like i said before the animals play games, the cat plays with the mouse and if you anylize the animal kingdom there are many examples of this.

 

the good qualities of the divine person as opposed to the demoniac............Bhagavad Gita

 

Chapter 16: The Divine And Demoniac Natures

 

BG 16.1-3: The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: Fearlessness; purification of one's existence; cultivation of spiritual knowledge; charity; self-control; performance of sacrifice; study of the Vedas; austerity; simplicity; nonviolence; truthfulness; freedom from anger; renunciation; tranquillity; aversion to faultfinding; compassion for all living entities; freedom from covetousness; gentleness; modesty; steady determination; vigor; forgiveness; fortitude; cleanliness; and freedom from envy and from the passion for honor — these transcendental qualities, O son of Bharata, belong to godly men endowed with divine nature.

 

BG 16.4: Pride, arrogance, conceit, anger, harshness and ignorance — these qualities belong to those of demoniac nature, O son of Prtha

 

BG 16.5: The transcendental qualities are conducive to liberation, whereas the demoniac qualities make for bondage. Do not worry, O son of Pandu for you are born with the divine qualities.

 

BG 16.6: O son of Prtha in this world there are two kinds of created beings. One is called the divine and the other demoniac. I have already explained to you at length the divine qualities. Now hear from Me of the demoniac.

 

BG 16.7: Those who are demoniac do not know what is to be done and what is not to be done. Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior nor truth is found in them.

 

BG 16.8: They say that this world is unreal, with no foundation, no God in control. They say it is produced of sex desire and has no cause other than lust.

 

BG 16.9: Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world.

 

BG 16.10: Taking shelter of insatiable lust and absorbed in the conceit of pride and false prestige, the demoniac, thus illusioned, are always sworn to unclean work, attracted by the impermanent.

 

BG 16.11-12: They believe that to gratify the senses is the prime necessity of human civilization. Thus until the end of life their anxiety is immeasurable. Bound by a network of hundreds of thousands of desires and absorbed in lust and anger, they secure money by illegal means for sense gratification.

 

BG 16.13-15: The demoniac person thinks: "So much wealth do I have today, and I will gain more according to my schemes. So much is mine now, and it will increase in the future, more and more. He is my enemy, and I have killed him, and my other enemies will also be killed. I am the lord of everything. I am the enjoyer. I am perfect, powerful and happy. I am the richest man, surrounded by aristocratic relatives. There is none so powerful and happy as I am. I shall perform sacrifices, I shall give some charity, and thus I shall rejoice." In this way, such persons are deluded by ignorance.

 

BG 16.16: Thus perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions, they become too strongly attached to sense enjoyment and fall down into hell.

 

BG 16.17: Self-complacent and always impudent, deluded by wealth and false prestige, they sometimes proudly perform sacrifices in name only, without following any rules or regulations.

 

BG 16.18: Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demons become envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated in their own bodies and in the bodies of others, and blaspheme against the real religion.

 

BG 16.19: Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, I perpetually cast into the ocean of material existence, into various demoniac species of life.

 

BG 16.20: Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, O son of Kunt&#299;, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down to the most abominable type of existence.

 

BG 16.21: There are three gates leading to this hell — lust, anger and greed. Every sane man should give these up, for they lead to the degradation of the soul.

 

BG 16.22: The man who has escaped these three gates of hell, O son of Kunt&#299;, performs acts conducive to self-realization and thus gradually attains the supreme destination.

 

BG 16.23: He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme destination.

 

BG 16.24: One should therefore understand what is duty and what is not duty by the regulations of the scriptures. Knowing such rules and regulations, one should act so that he may gradually be elevated.

 

We got no worries after this life if we stick to K.C but the other poor peole around us enemy or friend are not going to have a very nice time after this life......may krishna have mercy on them....... /images/graemlins/wink.gif

 

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its obvious that here is someone who gets the point about useless struggles of material nature (waiting for your boat to come in ) and the way in which one can really understand renunciation in life , following the Acaryas etc. wow what a breath of air jsdasa thank you very much for touching on the most relevant of sruggles ... to become servants of the servants of the servants. Not waste time in fruitless diatribe about world events that require no Krsna conscious contemplation.Our lord Jesus taught renuciation leaving worldly pursuits behind for true seekers as is also recommended in Srila Prabhupadas books every where we are instructed to give up material life as all great sages and saints have done through spiritual history. We beleive the word in sanskrit is acintya !( not of this world)so who cares about a supposed implant that did not explode upon supposed implantation why would it explode upon removal gee does it take everedy bunny batteries or solar recharge trough membrane of nose ? whoa what a credibility blow to think there was technologies back when IT was implanted its a little like area 54 stuff not of the Vedas discribing everything from the beginning of time .

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its obvious that here is someone who gets the point about useless struggles of material nature (waiting for your boat to come in ) and the way in which one can really understand renunciation in life , following the Acaryas etc. wow what a breath of air jsdasa thank you very much for touching on the most relevant of sruggles ... to become servants of the servants of the servants.

 

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I think you cannot read - ‘oh nameless guest’.

 

Here is what J.S das wrote:

 

yeh bhakta don there are insidious and wierd people in kali yuga who don't play a straight game, insidious is the perfect word for this type of thing even if this was not what it seems these things are definitely going all around

 

Then the rest of the posting was a quote about what the LORD has to say about demoniac people.

 

You were apparently reading nonexistent points into the posting – points NOT there.

 

You say that I’m waiting for my “boat to come in” – how little you really perceive – if that is what you think.

 

I shall collect - that is a fact.

 

If you were really aware here you'd see that I'm really “waiting” for the despot cattle cars and the wide-spread gulag hell - if people like ‘you’ are successful in generating another genocidal global conflict.

 

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Not waste time in fruitless diatribe about world events that require no Krsna conscious contemplation.

 

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I hear a plethora of evangelicals engaged in this “diatribe” all the time – only they attach an insane and false end-times spin on it – the same one you probably ascribe to. Instead of rebutting my postings with some real debate - why do you instead post in this way?

 

Do you read the many global issues sensitive quotes from Prabhupada in this discussion thread? Is this Srila Prabhupada engaged - “in fruitless diatribe about world events”?

 

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Our lord Jesus taught renuciation leaving worldly pursuits behind for true seekers as is also recommended in Srila Prabhupadas books every where we are instructed to give up material life as all great sages and saints have done through spiritual history

 

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Your Lord Jesus – of course - you must be aware that Jesus isn’t the Hebrew messiah.

 

You claim to read Prabhupada’s Books – I have a hard time accepting that you are doing so - even remotely sincerely – you only do so - as a way to find information that you can use out of context - to present your maledicted message as ‘shrouded’ in Srila Prabhupada’s. Wolf in sheep’s clothing scenario.

 

Oh and by the way - you’re not a servant of the real Jesus either.

 

You speak of giving up material life – what have you given up?

 

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We beleive the word in sanskrit is acintya !( not of this world)

 

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”Acintya” - Inconceivable.

 

There is a difference between - “not of this world” and - inconceivable.

 

What is it exactly that you are indicating in this overtly general explication of Acintya?

 

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so who cares about a supposed implant that did not explode upon supposed implantation why would it explode upon removal

 

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Well if you really thought about it – that was a joke that was made on this message board when another ‘nameless guest’ posted something about a ‘reconstructive surgery for a pupice’ or whatever – my not knowing what ‘that’ was - I made a JOKE about it – saying I would only need ‘reconstructive surgery’ if the implant was to be remotely detonated by the implant coordinators – wow - YOU certainly took that one out of context – just read back and see!

 

The factual issue is that the implant is cemented into the sinus cavity [have you seen the x-ray - it’s on this thread?] – it isn’t going to just break free – it’ll have to be drilled out and it may in fact break open - there may in fact be a serious risk associated with it doing so. That is what I wrote – read back and see – if it isn’t so – just try to find and post my words to the contrary.

 

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gee does it take everedy bunny batteries or solar recharge trough membrane of nose ?

 

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With that you’re not being witty and you’re certainly not gaining any points in your critical assertion – all you’re doing is making the obvious fact more clear – the fact that there isn’t any substance to your criticism here.

 

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whoa what a credibility blow to think there was technologies back when IT was implanted

 

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What are you saying here? In 2002 there was no technology in place to do this? Whatever! Go look at my protest website and find the posting showing that there is a U.S. patent on implant technology – go do your homework!

 

Gee evangelicals go on and on about the [supposed] ‘mark of the beast’ and - YOU have the audacity to imply that there was no technology [or existing integrated infrastructure] to perform this ‘mischievous device’ in 2002 - is it a vain attempt to make me sound crazy or something?

 

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its a little like area 54 stuff not of the Vedas

 

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Well again you’re wrong. The ‘Vedas’ have a great deal to say about 'issues' that might be 'the issue' at “area 54” – if you’re going to read the Vedas and make sense of it you must do so without envy or - motivations for other purposes - not conducive to sincere understanding.

 

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discribing everything from the beginning of time .

 

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Don’t try to understand these things as it’ll spoil your bogus little awareness of reality and - I hardly doubt that you’re ready for that.

 

BDM

 

 

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Hare Bol!

 

Yes it is sad that there are those that play dark games with others [that may not be the case here] – but that is ok [if it is] as I know that any association with the Holy Name - is a beneficial point – at some point my detractors shall see that this matter may eventually go away and they can forget me – but - can they forget Him? It is very amusing really.

 

I really like this point about the spiritually rebellious:

 

...perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions...Self-complacent and always impudent, deluded by wealth and false prestige, they sometimes proudly perform sacrifices in name only, without following any rules or regulations.

 

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We got no worries after this life if we stick to K.C but the other poor people around us enemy or friend are not going to have a very nice time after this life...

 

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Indeed! But even here now in today’s world things are so bad - who can dispute that it’s because of kali yuga?

 

Too much collective surrender to the ‘spirit of kali yuga’ – the age of quarrel – it’s gaining too much momentum and - these ‘others’ are cultivating it - a grade of ‘religious’ demons as described by Krishna in your quotes - who in this case - also have a false understanding about sin and punishment – as noted here:

 

Nor does the Supreme Spirit assume anyone’s sinful or pious activities. Embodied beings, however, are bewildered because of the ignorance which covers their real knowledge. [bG 5.15]

 

Without a doubt there is a collective march into a pit – and our world is almost stampeding into it - for the last odd 200 years.

 

At some point we the masses are going to demand an end to the kali yuga games [where there are no winners only losers] – generally - it’s the head – the leaders - who machinate and cultivate the peoples into quarrels and it’s the leaders through history who are ignorant to even their own best self-interest – what to speak everyone’s in leading everyone to hell in almost every other way.

 

Not all leaders are demons and not all leaders desire to conduct this collective march into hell but - they need people to understand what is what - that it is very difficult for most leaders to overcome the status quo if their populations become in any way exclusive or extremist.

 

We certainly need to answer the postings [for the benefit of others] of people who come barking but - we cannot waste our time trying to change them – that is up to God.

 

I will agree with the nameless guest on one point though – your posts are refreshing!

 

Yer servant,

 

BDM

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how about that last post from the guest what a retard.....haahahahah!!!!! has to put his two cents in about jesus where there was no mention at all, typical christian butting in on the devotees as usual, i think they feel threatened by us because we have a way superior philosophy then there dull one liners.......the way the lie and the dark only by us can you go to hell......haahahahahah!!!!!!!!! just kidding.....

 

over and out...

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Hari Bol!

 

I thought that you'd get a laugh out of that one!

 

Why do some people like to be made a fool of - with their own words? Some extremists are too eager to say something - anything - that they passionately post a delusional rant - instead of a constructive discourse.

 

I wonder if they ever come back and read the replies and go ‘oh damn’ [i know I would] - but not usually – as they keep posting that way…

 

It is ‘entertaining’ to reply them - it’s a nice opportunity - to present as a clear messenger - as contrasted by one - that isn’t…

 

YS,

 

BDM

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obviously an evangelical christian in the mode of passion trying to blow wind up my butt to convert me to the way the lie and the dark only by me can you go to hell....

mostly it is worse to be flattered then criticized as it can blind you to lurking ulterior motives, thus a true friend constructively criticizes you when necessary and rarely praise you unless required...........always be careful of flattery and praise as these are symptons of the mode of passion unless truely a devotional praise out of love for krishna........

 

haribol

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Hari Bol!

 

Yes these pretenders [predators] try that – they think that they are clever and – saved - of course they are neither.

 

There is a gulf of distance in a real Christian and these evangelicals and it all starts with the bogus exclusivity to salvation as claimed by them.

Incidentally - this issue of ‘Jesus’ as - the only way to God - is based on a mistranslation of Jesus’ words in John 14.6 - actually - Jesus never claimed that he is the only way to redemption or God - the problem enters in the translation of the word - “comes”:

 

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. ‘No one comes’ to the Father except through Me." [John 14.6]

 

The word "...comes..." is rendered from the Greek word - "eroktai" - a very present tense verb - thus a more proper translation should read:

 

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. 'None here comes' to the Father except through Me."

 

In the Christian Bible it is stated:

 

"But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God — 'having a form of godliness but denying its power'. Have nothing to do with them." [2 Timothy 3.1-5]

 

Then we consider:

 

"That understanding which considers irreligion to be religion and religion to be irreligion, under the spell of illusion and darkness, and strives always in the wrong direction, O Partha, is in the mode of ignorance." [bG 18.32]

 

So the issue isn’t that the tradition is bogus – it’s that some of the followers have been misdirected – and of course they must want to be cheated:

 

…The public wants to be cheated, and Krishna therefore creates such cheaters to misrepresent and delude.… [sB 3.20.35, purport]

 

…Because demoniac people want to be cheated, so many cheaters are present to cheat them. At the present moment in this age of Kali-yuga, the entire human society has become an assembly of cheaters and cheated.… [sB 4.26.6, purport]

 

Being cheated by them, the living entity in the forest of the material world tries to give up the association of these so-called yogis, svamis and incarnations and come to the association of real devotees, but due to misfortune he cannot follow the instructions of the spiritual master or advanced devotees; therefore he gives up their company and again returns to the association of monkeys... [sB 5.13.17]

 

We must NEVER think that these problems are exclusive to the ‘others’ around us…

 

YS,

 

BDM

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not all followers of Christ are retards as is your estimation in fact the glue cement on transplant affects your intellect regarding spiritual affairs and the materialism you speak so eloquently of as you state you will collect ...gee what of gathering more than is required do you read Bhaktivinode Thakura Jaiva Dharma...do you expect to do something for your guru when you guys are soo righteous in your own personal estimation...you should be ashamed to call yourselves disciples of his Grace Srila Prabhupada.The message is renunciation not friviously awaiting Phantasmigorrea MAYA.so you Prabhus go ahead and have your lols but you certainly will continue to be amused by your own wit

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Create a fake name at least to sign-off your postings – so one can distinguish your postings from those of the other ‘nameless guests’ – shall you do that?

 

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not all followers of Christ are retards as is your estimation

 

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Well it seems that you’re a bit of a "retard" – you have two postings and two individuals confused as one – I didn’t say "all followers of Christ" are retards [neither did J.Sdas!] – and J.Sdas isn’t the one with an implant.

 

Of course - not all Christians are retards but - apparently - you are…

 

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in fact the glue cement on transplant affects your intellect regarding spiritual affairs and the materialism you speak so eloquently of as you state you will collect

 

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Still flashing envy on this topic are we? What is your problem anyway? Why are YOU so compelled to [foolishly] comment again and again on this and – in seeming anonymity?

 

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...gee what of gathering more than is required do you read Bhaktivinode Thakura Jaiva Dharma...

 

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Who is gathering more than is required – did Srila Prabhupada ever say one must be poor to be a devotee?

 

You’re just displaying some attitude again - what is your real reason(s)?

 

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do you expect to do something for your guru when you guys are soo righteous in your own personal estimation...

 

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Who said that I think I’m righteous? Not me! I’m doing something for Him right now….

 

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you should be ashamed to call yourselves disciples of his Grace Srila Prabhupada.

 

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Who are you a disciple of – the great “pupice”?

 

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The message is renunciation not friviously awaiting Phantasmigorrea MAYA.

 

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It’s “frivolously” and “phantasmagoria” - so why don’t YOU renounce this discussion already – or in the alternative – sincerely try engage in some real discussion…unless you’re here on pretence i.e.: pretending with intention to deceive…

 

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so you Prabhus go ahead and have your lols but you certainly will continue to be amused by your own wit

 

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I only call it like I see it – you haven’t even tried try to rebut anything properly – just read the postings again and this time - do so objectively - to see that you do appear as a mudha…

 

All you do here is drop-in ‘insult and leave’ and – what does God say about this type of personality:

 

And that worker who is always engaged in work against the injunction of the scripture, who is materialistic, obstinate, cheating and expert in insulting others, who is lazy, always morose and procrastinating, is a worker in the mode of ignorance. [bG 18.28]

 

…After the incident, they became conscious that they had done wrong by cursing the devotees of the Lord, and they prayed to the Lord that even in the hellish condition of life their minds might not be distracted from the engagement of service to the lotus feet of Lord Narayana. Those who are devotees of the Lord are not afraid of any condition of life, provided there is constant engagement in the service of the Lord…. [sB 3.15.49, purport]

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so bhakta don your obviously a kanishta adhikari posing as a madhyama adhikari take a look at the prajalpa in this thread.

i think you should take your own advice quoting shastra about different levels of vaishnava's.

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what are you oh wise one who is never wrong?

a kanishta, a madhyama or a uttama adhikari?

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do you ever commit sinful activity, honestly?

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...I am what I am...

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can't be honest and when posed with a question that will expose your own spiritual weakness you run like a coward.