The Origins of the Satan Myth and impact to global politics

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Here is a [poorly taken] picture of our home Altar that we’ve made. I made the blue Krishna deities myself - nearly fifteen years ago.

 

This is what the altar looked like - a few years ago – it has been improved some since this picture – I will share that soon too!

 

 

 

 

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Here is a very nice narrative from the Vedic literature that describes the situation of pious souls praying - in the womb of the mother.

 

Of course we may forget our prayers in the womb – but if we are sincerely on a spiritual path to learn about the Lord [blessed be His Holy Name] then we can know we prayed and the true Source and Object of Faith – listened.

 

By virtue of the divine consciousness of his previous life, he automatically becomes attracted to the yogic principles—even without seeking them. Such an inquisitive transcendentalist, striving for yoga, stands always above the ritualistic principles of the scriptures. [bG 6.44]

 

So all ‘new age’ bunk aside - about people wanting regressions of memories long forgotten – those who are sincere take their information from the scriptures and - the authorized literatures – not from ones own experimentation.

 

Of course this also sort of speaks to 'why' abortion is a very serious sin.

 

In our societies we abort [murder] many thousands of human lives [at tax payers expense in canada nonetheless] and then we hear leaders complain that the birth rate is falling - Canada has already a serious problem in the future population numbers - due to this. I hope that no 'pro-choice' people read this - but that's some my thoughts on that.

 

Through scriptures and other sacred texts we gain insights into our [personal and collective] condition along with that of our sphere of experiences – ‘the world’ – in this narrative - it is seen that when we are in the precarious condition of birth – we can become conscious and pray for deliverance:

 

Placed within the amnion and covered outside by the intestines, the child remains lying on one side of the abdomen, his head turned towards his belly and his back and neck arched like a bow.

 

<big>The child thus remains just like a bird in a cage, without freedom of movement. At that time, if the child is fortunate, he can remember all the troubles of his past one hundred births, and he grieves wretchedly. What is the possibility of peace of mind in that condition?</big>

 

Thus endowed with the development of consciousness from the seventh month after his conception, the child is tossed downward by the airs that press the embryo during the weeks preceding delivery. Like the worms born of the same filthy abdominal cavity, he cannot remain in one place.

 

The living entity in this frightful condition of life, bound by seven layers of material ingredients, prays with folded hands, appealing to the Lord, who has put him in that condition.

 

 

The human soul says: I take shelter of the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who appears in His various eternal forms and walks on the surface of the world. I take shelter of Him only, because He can give me relief from all fear and from Him I have received this condition of life, which is just befitting my impious activities.

 

I, the pure soul, appearing now bound by my activities, am lying in the womb of my mother by the arrangement of Maya. I offer my respectful obeisances unto Him who is also here with me but who is unaffected and changeless. He is unlimited, but He is perceived in the repentant heart. To Him I offer my respectful obeisances.

 

I am separated from the Supreme Lord because of my being in this material body, which is made of five elements, and therefore my qualities and senses are being misused, although I am essentially spiritual. Because the Supreme Personality of Godhead is transcendental to material nature and the living entities, because He is devoid of such a material body, and because He is always glorious in His spiritual qualities, I offer my obeisances unto Him.

 

The human soul further prays: The living entity is put under the influence of material nature and continues a hard struggle for existence on the path of repeated birth and death. This conditional life is due to his forgetfulness of his relationship with the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Therefore, without the Lord’s mercy, how can he again engage in the transcendental loving service of the Lord?

 

No one other than the Supreme Personality of Godhead, as the localized Paramatma, the partial representation of the Lord, is directing all inanimate and animate objects. He is present in the three phases of time—past, present and future. Therefore, the conditioned soul is engaged in different activities by His direction, and in order to get free from the threefold miseries of this conditional life, we have to surrender unto Him only.

 

Fallen into a pool of blood, stool and urine within the abdomen of his mother, his own body scorched by the mother’s gastric fire, the embodied soul, anxious to get out, counts his months and prays, “O my Lord, when shall I, a wretched soul, be released from this confinement?”

 

My dear Lord, by Your causeless mercy I am awakened to consciousness, although I am only ten [seven] months old. For this causeless mercy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the friend of all fallen souls, there is no way to express my gratitude but to pray with folded hands.

 

The living entity in another type of body sees only by instinct; he knows only the agreeable and disagreeable sense perceptions of that particular body. But I have a body in which I can control my senses and can understand my destination; therefore, I offer my respectful obeisance's to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, by whom I have been blessed with this body and by whose grace I can see Him within and without.

 

Therefore, my Lord, although I am living in a terrible condition, I do not wish to depart from my mother’s abdomen to fall again into the blind well of materialistic life. Your external energy, called deva-maya, at once captures the newly born child, and immediately false identification, which is the beginning of the cycle of continual birth and death, begins.

 

Therefore, without being agitated any more, I shall deliver myself from the darkness of nescience with the help of my friend, clear consciousness. Simply by keeping the lotus feet of Lord Vishnu in my mind, I shall be saved from entering into the wombs of many mothers for repeated birth and death.

 

Lord Kapila continued: The ten-month-old living entity has these desires even while in the womb. But while he thus extols the Lord, the wind that helps parturition propels him forth with his face turned downward so that he may be born.

 

Pushed downward all of a sudden by the wind, the child comes out with great trouble, head downward, breathless and deprived of memory due to severe agony. [sB 3.31.8-23]

 

BDM

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<big>The supreme duty of the ruling king is to give all protection to law-abiding persons and to chastise those who stray from the ordinances of the scriptures in ordinary times, when there is no emergency.</big> [sB 1.17.16]

 

Purport by Srila Prabhupada:

 

<big>In the scriptures there is mention of äpad-dharma, or occupational duty at times of extraordinary happenings. It is said that sometimes the great sage Visvamitra had to live on the flesh of dogs in some extraordinary dangerous position. In cases of emergency, one may be allowed to live on the flesh of animals of all description, but that does not mean that there should be regular slaughterhouses to feed the animal-eaters and that this system should he encouraged by the state. No one should try to live on flesh in ordinary times simply for the sake of the palate. If anyone does so, the king or the executive head should punish him for gross enjoyment. [...]</big> [sB 1.17.16]

 

Saw on the Seattle news last night that some 'lady' was given a serious sentence [she spent the night ALONE in the cold park and then she's going to jail for two weeks followed with two weeks house arrest - then community service - followed with never being able to have a cat again] for animal [cat] cruelty - God bless THAT Judge who understands duty!

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Hari Bol Prabhu!

 

I just had to mention that your post was nice and - I just love your avatar gif - it is so cool!

 

Your servant,

 

BDM

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Soon Canadians are going back to the polls to elect another Federal government.

 

Due to the machination of the left-wing and the right-wing - along with the Quebec Separatists - we are being needlessly forced into a winter election.

 

In a recent poll 57% Canadians said they want change. What exactly do Canadians have as an alternative?

 

We have the left-wing NDP - a party that is socialist or - 'communist like' - they are the most socialist of the mainstream political parties in North America.

 

They hail from Saskatchewan - the 'home' of North American 'communism' where they have implemented polices and programs that negate the NDP’s supposed ‘for the people’ platform.

 

Then we have the [faith-based] Conservative Party of Canada – this party is a combination of the old right-wing Conservative and Reform Parties and it still IS a far-right ideology – it is essentially the same lost party that left Canada in major debt [70% of our GDP!] when they lost the election in 1994.

 

What did all those years of ‘conservative rule’ give Canada?

 

There is the NAFTA agreement - an agreement that is essentially bad for Canada – the conservatives signed this.

 

There are problems with that agreement at this time and - the opposition parties claim that it is a Liberal problem – but that is incorrect.

 

So who cannot see that the left-wing NDP are campaigning for the conservatives?

The NDP know that they shall NOT form federal government in Ottawa - so why do the NDP think that they’ll have more success - with a conservative government?

Jack Layton claims that the NDP have 'lost confidence' in the Liberals – but again – he thus thinks that the conservatives shall not lose NDP confidence much quicker?

Is left-leaning Jack Layton incompetent to understand what dealing with right-leaning Steven Harper is really going to be like - when he apparently cannot deal with the center-standing Paul Martin?

Or is Mr. Layton really hoping for a conservative majority - so that his NDP party will not have to prop-up a ‘conservative minority’ government?

 

Just see that Jack Layton and the left-wing NDP are pushing for a right-wing federal government – and to do it they’re taking away Christmas – Chinese New Year and even - Ukrainian Christmas too - to send us out in the blighting clod to vote at a time when we don’t need to [to open our doors to the blighting cold and to their double-speak campaigners] – people MUST remember ‘that’ at the polls!

We know why the conservatives are possessed by this fixation – and we know too why the Quebec separatists are fixated with this – but - WHY are the NDP so fixated?

Is part of it that the ego of the NDP kept swelling and flashing in their attempt to direct this Liberal minority government - within their own socialist agenda – that instead of cooperating with the Liberals - they essentially wanted instead to dictate to them?

 

Is the NDP going to find any more success with the conservatives - in a minority government situation?

Or is the Jack Layton NDP hoping that the conservatives shall form a majority government?

Why is Canada’s left-wing party ‘thus’ campaigning for Canada’s right-wing party?

Is it that their two ideologies and agenda’s - differ much less - than it appears on the surface?

To an objective person - it would seem quite odd that this is going on.

Would people want to have a right-wing federal government in Ottawa - one that would indeed marginalize our security and our rights - by trying to ‘play their part’ with the so-called coalition of right-wing nations playing enforcer in our world – [outside the authority of the international community] - in it’s current manufactured extremist emergency? That scenario is what jack Layton’s NDP are contending for!

Keep in mind that in Britain - the Left-wing Labour Party - under Tony Blair - is engaged as the left-hand of the noted 'coalition' which is usurping global resolve.

 

We know that Left and Right wing governments - subjugate rights – publicly they decry rights abuses and pretend to eschew those who do those things – but - there is evidence right within their polices and ideologies and various governances which marginalize whole groups – while ‘nickel and diming’ individual rights and freedoms [i can give some examples another time].

 

This so-called confidence lost [and alleged loss of moral authority to govern] in the Liberals - is ill maneuvered each day by the opposition parties based on innuendo of the so-called sponsorship scandal. There are points of fact to consider in this matter - despite the double-speak of the opposition parties on the issue.

Yes - we know that there were some individuals in the Liberal party who mismanaged the sponsorship fund in bad faith – not on behalf of the liberal party and - not for the Liberal party - no - they took the advantages and the money - for themselves and – their personal friends – so these people are gone and - they shall be accountable for that abuse of the public trust.

The fact is the Liberals have done the honorable thing in this issue and - so doing they shall indeed receive the confidence of Canadians in the next general election – one that be sooner or later – but the fact is the Liberals have NOT tried to evade responsibility for the mistakes in the sponsorship program.

We must not forget that the Quebec Separatists are about disrupting Canada – disrupting governance in Ottawa – they think this shall further the ends of their plans to disrupt Canada enough to ‘break-away’ - if even just due to calculations of leaders and - not as a result of the desires of the populations of consequence.

Let us not forget the Meech Lake Accord [1987] and how the conservatives tried to give Quebec Separatists - how many more seats in Ottawa?

 

Altogether that program - to concede to the separatists - a distinct society status and a constitutional veto – with the added number of seats [i think it was 14?] would have NOT brought an end to the problem – it would have ‘empowered the separatists’ even more.

Of course - the Meech Lake Accord failed and - who needs to wonder - eighteen years later - what today’s conservatives would do to complicate the problem much further – while of course the situation internationally is luring the conservatives into a political affiliation with a right-wing republican Washington – just like in 1987 - with Mulroney and Regan.

Today’s republican’s and today’s conservatives are not like those of twenty years ago! The world situation wasn’t as perilous twenty years ago as it is today.

If the government in Ottawa changes to conservative or NDP - we will see our Rights fade away – [steven Harper himself said in his concession speech - in his last defeat: “I guess the world’s coming together is going to take a little longer”] – neither of these political parties would deal with Canada’s interests in a fortuitous manner on today’s international stage - within today’s point and counter-point world - they will become 'oddball' players too.

 

Canada currently has a responsible international position.

A respected position which is not marred - by Canada’s being a player within the various international ill-intrigues - which we would be - with a conservative government in Ottawa.

Would people want to have a right-wing federal government in Ottawa - one that would indeed marginalize our security and our rights - by trying to ‘play their part’ with the so-called coalition of right-wing nations playing enforcer in our world – [outside the authority of the international community] - in it’s current manufactured extremist emergency?

 

I hope that Canadian’s see that during this time in history what is not needed in Canada are leaders who are themselves ascribing to an extremist ideology – it is indeed reactive and – Canadians have to see that to have a ‘center-party’ in charge in Ottawa - as opposed to a left or a right - is MOST important.

I hope that people can start to see this - left-wing right-wing politics - for what it really has been – is now and - what it’ll become.

The average Canadian is quite intelligent – they will not put a government in Ottawa that will bring us into interactions - like missile defense and active military engagement in Iraq and the so-called war on terror - in the form of gulags and torture and the like.

Of course - Jack Layton and his federal NDP seemingly decry ‘those’ bleak issues - so - what shall the NDP do ‘after’ bringing these conservatives into power and - they are faced with a bleak-certainty - on ‘these’ issues - in ‘that’ House?

 

[More to come on this issue in the future]

 

I want to share this simple graphic that I made – I BEG the Canadian readers here to consider the ‘for certain direction’ that the conservatives and NDP shall take Canada – Canadians may want some sort of change – but not to a left or right wing governance:

 

 

It’ll take more than the ‘card carrying members’ - of the left and the right in Canada - to form an unhealthy conservative minority in Ottawa – one that would be propped-up by the NDP! The average Canadian isn’t that naïve nor are they purposefully inclined to want any federal right-wing government propped-up by a left-wing party.

Whenever the next election is Canadians must send a complete and sound answer to these left and right wing parties and – re-elect a Liberal Majority.

 

YS,

 

BDM

 

 

 

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The U.N. is clearly like a eunuch in a harem – there is no doubt that when Mr. Bush said it was becoming irrelevant – it was a reflection of a perceived impotence – an inability to enforce anything - what to speak peace.

 

Of course - the U.S. has been undermining the U.N. for many years and - in so many direct and indirect ways.

 

Indeed we can see that the U.N. has problems – what are these problems? The U.N. mandate? No - that’s not it.

 

Is it unfair uncooperative participation - by some western Nations? That’s the <big>biggest</big> part of the problem.

 

In the places where the U.N. is working [border patrols] there cannot be ANY apathy to the purpose - as we’ve recently seen on the Israeli/Lebanese border – these places where there is so much hate – how is it going to resolve?

 

Are they all going to be able to exterminate one another?

 

No – they may try – but that'll only go on - for another 1000 years!

 

How are these middle east peoples of consequence - going to become satisfied enough to live in peace?

 

How are career politicos going to do this? They won’t be able to on their own...

 

Everyone must understand that it is time for U.N. reform and time to see some ability to censure [western] nations that are not following the rules – isn't it time for a move of the U.N. say - to CANADA…

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However, they fear Israel will impose borders without negotiations and will annex east Jerusalem and West Bank areas with the biggest Jewish settlements.

 

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/Middle_East/Israel_Clean_Slate.html

 

The British document warns that Israeli actions are jeopardising peace and risk radicalising Palestinians. It recommends several measures to resist the Israeli tactic, including politically symbolic actions such as moving meetings with Palestinian officials from Ramallah to East Jerusalem.

 

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/israel-blasts-uk-for-attack-on-settlements-expansion/2005/11/26/1132966004637.html

 

Here is what I noted in the title post to this thread:

 

Republican America's apparently ineffectual 'Road Map' for a Palestinian Statehood cannot be [but most likely is] some ‘little revised' facsimile of the failed and inequitable U.N. Resolution 181 - [u.N. Partition Plan - dated November 29, 1947].

 

Their Road Map states:

 

"...Parties reach final and comprehensive permanent status agreement...on the status of Jerusalem that takes into account the political and religious concerns of both sides, and protects the religious interests of Jews, Christians, and Muslims worldwide..."

 

First - the foremost religious interest of Jews, Christians and Muslims worldwide - should be real peace for all those living in the middle east - otherwise - what is the meaning to their ideas of a far-away Holy Land? Can pilgrimage in a terror ridden war zone be transcendental?

 

Clearly hindsight and a common sense rationality may [purposely] elude the Road Map coordinators - it will NOT suffice - neither now - nor ever - to offer each party 'a balance of land' - ‘split 50/50 with fewer broken borders'.

 

It must be clearly understood that the central 'Jerusalem issue' demands Just resolution - once and for all.

 

This disagreement on [the proper and final status of] Jerusalem cannot be ‘resolved’ in a manner that was espoused within U.N. Resolution 181.

 

As much as they would like to hope and think that [even for a limited time] an "international Jerusalem city state" - is the 'best and most fair [interim] solution' - these same people dismiss [with calculation] that this scenario would be an untenable situation.

 

We are not ever going to see any success with a so-called:

 

"...Governor of an international City of Jerusalem [who] shall have the right to...make decisions on the basis of existing rights in cases of disputes which may arise between the different religious communities or the rites of a religious community with respect to such places, buildings and sites..." [From U.N. Resolution 181]

 

Who cannot 'predict' the many ill-factional games that would quickly emerge within 'this' scenario - of course - a "dispute" of "sites" is a very predictable event - as are its consequential dangers and potentially [irrepressibly] violent outcomes!

 

We must face the reality that part of the 'Justice' here 'naturally demands' that Jerusalem is going to have be again a fully Israeli City.

 

This city is the Hebrew 'Spiritual Center' - or 'tether'.

 

Indeed Muslims - in particular - can see 'why' it is thus important to Jews - through a comparison to their own 'Spiritual Center' - 'Mecca'.

 

Will this reality [of a change for Jerusalem] be - 'need fully' concluded - "honorably" and through - "Justice" - or "dishonorably" - through the so-called leaders of the World's 'singular' Superpower [with their evangelical machinators] - cultivating a future 'need less' "Violence and Urban War"?

 

Here is that conceptual map I made - a map that takes care of several issues - including fragmented borders and of course – Jerusalem - this is only a picture to show that there can be a fair map that offers both parties an equal coast-line and equal share in the territory - without one state being fragmented - the State of Palestine doesn't need to be fragmented - any more than the State of Israel:

 

 

When shall we see empathy in the parties one for another for these noted needs?

 

Time for the various politicos to find the way to do this…

 

Of course it is hoped that Mr. Sharon is going to pattern his new political party - after a Center-standing ideology.

 

I hope he and his new party and the people of Israel see the real risk in the Left and the Right political pattern.

 

I hope that the Arab Leaders can see that effort and its good results – <big>soon</big>

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Part of the message here on this thread is that the Israelis and the Palestinians must work out these issues themselves.

 

The fact is - it has been well explained here - even with the Talmud analogy of the - ‘cat and the rat shall make peace over a carcass’.

 

What does that mean here?

 

It means that if the conflicted parties continue like this - they shall not be making peace with each other - [over the region and its issues] - but rather - the 'cats and the rats' shall 'make peace' and thus 'feast' on them and - the spoils of their loss...

 

...and so we read in the news:

 

A senior Israeli source said: "We are not in the slightest bit surprised that this should have come from the British.

 

"On the one hand, they always say they understand Israel's problems and want to be an intermediary and, on the other they are accusing us and attempting to embarrass us. They cannot be trusted."

 

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/israel-blasts-uk-for-attack-on-settlements-expansion/2005/11/26/1132966004637.html

 

It is time for the Israelis and the Palestinians to understand what they have to <big>feel</big> in order to be <big>moving forward with a comprehensive agreement</big> - before outsiders usurp the entire situation - to end it - in total chaos.

 

Both parties have to consider:

 

"It is better to have ten inches to stand upon than a hundred yards to fall." [Avoth d'Rab. Nathan, chap. 1]

 

Regime changes do not lead to democracies - they lead to puppet regimes and later - civil war.

 

When is it their turn - would the brits and the yanks become so power mad themselves so as to do that to Israel - well their born again evilangelical cult promises it!

 

It’s that simple – the tit for tat must stop here – as noted in this string before - the whole issue is being calculated by ‘outsiders’ who care little for either party.

 

They are simply waiting until they can fully usurp the two parties and - their conflict is their mutual trap.

 

<big>So either the parties settle it themselves or the outsiders – whether it be America Britain - the E.U. or even the U.N. – if these outsiders come fully into it - to make the peace - of course we know - there is not going to be real peace in that way.</big>

 

I pray to the Lord that the Leaders of these two States - are opened up to real cooperation – they are to go from being adversarial to neighborly – they can and must do this without the interference of anyone – there mustn’t be any enforced resolutions – not even from the U.N. – if the peace is to work it must come from within…

 

Peace depends on a mutual desire and that must be something that is coordinated locally – if there is to be a need for a mediator - for the parties - it cannot be a ‘politico character’ – for so many reasons – and if the parties continue in this present direction - the noted ‘well-meaning’ outsiders shall usurp them [due to the present course of reactive arrangement] – both parties the Israelis and the Palestinians shall be dictated to by outsiders who shall decide what is what.

 

We can avoid this scenario.

 

The individual parties have to see the logic in the outlined points of the settlement - vicariously discussed here.

 

What is meant when I posted:

 

This disengagement plan must be 'expanded to all other settlements'? There are some 100 west bank settlements in question?

 

Here is an outline of another 'workable' border plan to re-settle the various peoples.

 

First it must be noted - when the settlements are vacated - they must not be razed to the ground - unless the new occupants desire it so. It is not a good procedure to do that.

 

So where does everyone re-settle in this plan?

 

Well in this plan - as Jerusalem becomes a fully Israeli city - with an expansion to the east – [so of course no east west division] and - with the move of the Dome of the Rock etc., to the new site - which could be the new capital of the Palestinians [to be constructed - or trade in peace an existing city like Tel Aviv?] - this 'new' modern city should be able to PROPERLY service 2-3 million people - with PROPER rural and other urban developments - for two to three million more citizens - with this - the 'right of return' issue - should be dropped.

 

Part of this plan has to include a desalination plant on the new Palestinian coastline – to supply water to the arid areas that shall make up part of their territory. With this plant on the Mediterranean Sea - there would thus be no issue of water – there would be enough to be piped to new rural and urban developments – maybe enough to sell too. Without a comprehensive plan for this water - such a plan cannot succeed.

 

Now - the peoples displaced from the various settlements [and the ‘city to be traded’ if that is the course chosen] should be moved to an - 'expanded' - Jerusalem and re-settled PROPERLY there.

 

Who cannot be happy with this re-settlement plan - if this is done PROPERLY - it would be the fairest adjustment to the present and long term needs of this matter?

 

Of course - this is only a - 'basic outline'...

 

Here is a simple map I came up with - I am sure that Jordan would donate that small piece of land [to the distant south of Petra] - to this cause of Peace.

 

Then again - this important point:

 

We must face the reality that part of the 'Justice' here 'naturally demands' that Jerusalem is going to have be again a fully Israeli City.

 

This city is the Hebrew 'Spiritual Center' - or 'tether'.

 

<big>Indeed Muslims - in particular - can see 'why' it is thus important to Jews - through a comparison to their own 'Spiritual Center' - 'Mecca'. </big>

 

Will this reality [of a change for Jerusalem] be - 'need fully' concluded - "honorably" and through - "Justice" - or "dishonorably" - through the so-called leaders of the World's 'singular' Superpower [with their evangelical machinators] - cultivating a future 'need less' "Violence and Urban War"?

 

The only course to see success in this connection is one that presents FULL Justice to the suffering Palestinians and - then 'historic move' of the 'Dome and Alaqsa Mosque' to its new location can take place…

 

Let us pray for the broad and mutual respect of these cousins – may the Supreme [blessed be His Holy Name] offer them both the empathy to see this need to resolve their dispute within – without a need for any outsiders to come and ‘enforce peace’.

 

Here is a good thought – of late – that 'other place' on Earth - which was partitioned about sixty years ago – India and Pakistan – these two have been cooperating more and more over the Kashmir issue – obviously they are seeing the need for a resolution within – rather than having some ‘outsiders’ usurp their peace process…

 

Again - both parties must consider:

 

"It is better to have ten inches to stand upon than a hundred yards to fall." [Avoth d'Rab. Nathan, chap. 1]

 

This whole thread and its message isn’t a ‘know it all’ presentation of - ‘the answers’ - it is a stimulus to discussion of the issues with a discussion of possibilities for the parties.

 

This message here is simply an observation of the situation from the perspective of one who is an ordinary person - not a political leader and someone who is a well-wisher of both parties.

 

I know these things can be resolved - without the hate and its consequences – I know that the mass of [middle-east] Muslims and Jews understand - God is God and - a Mother is a Mother and - the heart of real peace shall be deeply impressed by mutual service to these – there must be real peace - for our God and - for our Mothers.

The truth is we do not hear much for positive resolution based discussion - like this – we see extremists everywhere pumping the masses with their various nightmare theologies – those based in illusion and hate and exclusivity messages – we hear ‘little’ about the real possibility of comprehensive peace - for everyone.

 

Also – this Jerusalem issue – when is ‘this’ to be dealt with – when do proper and REALSITC discussions begin?

Who is going to conduct that settlement - if the peoples of consequence - cannot resolve to do so themselves?

 

What are the obviously perilous alternate options for this aspect of the resolution? Shall it be a plan - which is a facsimile of the foolish U.N. Resolution 181?

 

Why are the various ‘outsiders’ [the Europeans and the Americans] still encouraging that there can be a two-state-divided Jerusalem?

 

In doing that they are not relating to the real needs and the proper justice of this issue – of course - all this is [and will be] discussed here on this thread…

 

 

YS,

 

BDM

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So it is good - the new party is to be a centerist party - no more right-wing for Mr. Sharon.

 

The party is called "Kadima" - the Hebrew word for "Forward" - under the slogan: "Sharon - a Strong Leader for Peace."

 

Benjamin Netanyahu may think he'll again become PM and denounce the peace process - but it won't happen - the new center-party shall win and Mr. Sharon shall proceed to real peace...

 

Also it appears that Mr. Shimon Peres - who is on the 'left' is going to join the new party - this is very good - it's a start...

 

BDM

 

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Hare Krishna!

 

It is good that these nice ideology changes are taking place on both the right and the left in Israel.

 

This is the start of the course to ‘peace from within’. It is certain that Mr. Sharon's leadership IS protected by Providence - IF he is serious about real peace – otherwise - the new Kadima party - may be usurped by the old Likud.

 

We shall soon see that people in Israel ‘are’ ready to support a Center party - one that moves along centerlines 'on the ground' as it were - not only in theoretical speeches to get votes. We shall see as time goes by – but I am very encouraged.

 

I would also noted that the Palestinian Leader Mr. Mahmoud Abbas has been doing well in his leadership despite the overwhelming difficulties he faces each day – I am sure that we could consider that he is going to be more and more tending to move along centerlines himself – away from left and right – he is a person who can see the possibility of a peaceful co-existence.

 

All I would hope is that the parties are going to be less and less guided by the U.S. and the E.U. in their progressive steps to resolution.

 

At this point both parties have their respective re-adjustments within their internal governances to tend to and - later they move forward as cooperative partners taking the correct approach to mutual peace.

 

Thank you for your comments kind soul!

 

Yer servant,

 

BDM

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Rice intends to remind the Europeans that they are in a joint fight against an enemy that she says obeys no laws

 

http://today.reuters.com/PrinterFriendlyPopup.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=uri:2005-11-28T215338Z_01_SPI878777_RTRUKOC_0_US-SECURITY-EUROPE-RICE.xml

 

That is so funny - which 'laws' do the NEOCONS fail to obey?

 

Is she talking to them about how they [bush and Co.] are cultivating these demons 'who obey no laws'?

 

I think that the people in the E.U. are much brighter than that!

[Guest guest]

with the kind of myopic political agenda that you suggest we as canadians continue to endure it is no wonder we are the laughing stock of the world.

 

just ask BONO he spoke to the PM on very important issues and was blown off by Paul Martin.

 

we continue to suck up to the americans regarding free trade, lumber issues etc.- how the hell do you think we got there ? ask the liberals.

 

are you comfortable knowing that the american conglomerate that presently runs B.C. medical has access to the personal files and information of everyone in that province if not other provinces as well.

 

how is it the american oil gets under other countries soil ?

 

why are we as canadians helping the american terrorists protect that which does not belong to them ?

 

how about our resources give us a break friend , we follow your commentary on each thread -are you really that learned or are THEY that implanted your brain with the so-called listening device giving you all the data regarding the subjects you comment on ?

 

these and many other topics and ideas you espouse have nothing to do with Krsna consciousness.

 

so what exactly is your point you should preach KC to the liberal party theives and demons who belittle the indigent peoples of canada and who keep us in abject poverty while taking large pensions for themselves

 

point in fact about the ndp- svend robinson openly gay -steals a 64000 ring and cries he is leaving political public life due to the stress of the incident if that was you your butt would be doing 3-5 for theft over 1000.

he is getting ready to run again for ndp seat and when he retires he gets 60 to 70 a year for being someones bit__.

 

wow what else - we are still under martial law enacted by Trudeau during the FLQ crisis and it was never recinded after the FLQ mess.

 

so how do like your liberal police state now oh learned fellow? what a bunch of nonsense.

 

what canadaians need is to stop being ripped off by the likes of those claiming to have canadians best interests at heart during the last dozen years of inept political bull____.

 

and you- well... we will pray you get the mercy soon !

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

yes for sure Canadians will continue to be indigent if the liberals come to power once again enough is enough

[Guest guest]

hey man you must be well off or working for the government cause we know that should another party win it'll be better than it has been for this many years of liberal tyranny and bullying rergarding health care childrens rights etc. the liberals should be ashamed of themselves stealing from canadian children closing schools dropping funding for child programs closing hospitals paying farmers to not grow crops. forcing mill closures laying people off forcing them on welfare then squeezing us even more with high taxes so some people can live in the lap of luxury uxuriosly.

[Guest guest]

good move don you obviously dont know much about why the country is in such a mess after all the liberal payoffs and dirty dancing they expect Canadians to re-elect them ?

what a joke and its on you the blind leading the blind

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US policy on Iraq before and after the March 2003 invasion had been hijacked by an alliance between Mr Cheney and the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld

 

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article330218.ece

 

Who didn't know that already? Without doubt they are war criminals...

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/images/graemlins/wink.gif Goodness! What a rant! /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

 

[do forgive the length of this reply]

 

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with the kind of myopic political agenda that you suggest we as canadians continue to endure it is no wonder we are the laughing stock of the world.

 

Reply:

 

Ok so your 'what' comes out - dear 'guest' - you would take your misguided 'foresights' and - do what?

 

You say we are 'the laughing stock of the world' - give us the top three reasons that the rest of the planet can pour derision on Canada.

 

Quote:

 

just ask BONO he spoke to the PM on very important issues and was blown off by Paul Martin.

 

Reply:

 

Mr. Bono was being pushy - Mr. Martin is interested in 'the cause' but with a minority situation for one - it wasn't prudent to 'give more' [at that time] - I am not so sure about Bono's approach...

 

Bono did say [on CBC's the hour] that he [bono] felt if Mr. Martin was to continue to lead he [Mr. Martin] would make good on the promises to do more with fighting poverty.

 

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we continue to suck up to the americans regarding free trade, lumber issues etc.- how the hell do you think we got there ? ask the liberals.

 

Reply:

 

Yea whatever! What do you think the conservatives will do with the U.S. relations and - its present right-wing administrators?

 

You make it sound like the American's have been a 'model' neighbor and fair trading partner!

 

If there were a conservative government - then - we would infact be within the situation you've described!

 

If it weren't for the conservatives - we wouldn't have this stupid NAFTA agreement - an agreement that isn't respected by its architects - and that is the cause of the noted problems!

 

Also - the whole softwood lumber issue – it didn’t take Mr. Martin any inordinate time to call the U.S. president – he was waiting for them to show some reasonable inclination to resolve the issue – then hurricane Katrina hit and - what did the U.S. ambassador publicly say about softwood lumber discussions?

Did we hear anything from them - as an indication of a desire to do anything differently? No we didn’t.

What did Ms. Rice say when visiting Canada recently - “it’s important not to speak in apocalyptic language about this issue”!

Mr. Martin's clear and proper position - through the Minister - was that court action would be invoked to recover the unpaid amounts and – the U.S. secretary of state and the U.S. ambassador - have twice vilified his proper position!

 

Imagine - you say it's because of Mr. Martin - correct me if I'm wrong but - you don't sound like you would like to sell-out to Bush and Co. yourself to settle it?

 

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are you comfortable knowing that the american conglomerate that presently runs B.C. medical has access to the personal files and information of everyone in that province if not other provinces as well.

 

Reply:

 

Invite Harper into the PMO and - you'll see worse!

 

Did you know that not all that long ago the NDP government in Saskatchewan was going to close down its ISM [information systems management] and out-source it to an IT company - in TEXUS - yes that's true – do tell us - what was it which prevented that move?

 

Besides that - think about Bush and Co. and their very real ability [and inclination?] to hack the databases- in any part of Canada - think they have?

 

What 'conglomerate' is it that you think runs B.C.?

 

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how is it the american oil gets under other countries soil ?

 

Reply:

 

How indeed! That is partly the point of this discussion thread - the answer:

 

By way of an ego-centric god-complex - the 'all you see is mine complex' - crass greed...

 

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why are we as canadians helping the american terrorists protect that which does not belong to them ?

 

Reply:

 

We're NOT helping them. Again that is a point we get at here in this thread. Part of it is that the Leaders in America have a burgeoning world view - which naturally places the center as ‘America - God's chosen' - this view is partly cultivated by an evangelical lobby...

 

The conservatives also have a growing problem with this 'issue' - do send them to the PMO and - you'll see your comment become fact...

 

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how about our resources give us a break friend , we follow your commentary on each thread -are you really that learned or are THEY that implanted your brain with the so-called listening device giving you all the data regarding the subjects you comment on ?

 

Reply:

 

Fact is they are Krishna's resources - as per Ishopanisad text one:

 

Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.

 

I think Liberals are more able to see this truth - if even indirectly - at least they are not as abjectly acting in defiance of this point.

 

As for that other part "are you really that learned or are THEY that implanted your brain with the so-called listening device giving you all the data regarding the subjects you comment on"

 

What is that supposed to mean? 'are they giving all the data' – dear ‘guest’ - that isn’t a very sound point! Also who is the “THEY” that you refer to? If you were reading correctly you’d see that it was my sinus that was implanted and it was coordinated by – SGI - the centerpiece jewel in the NDP’s communist crown!

 

I think that you are making an ignorant comment about the purportedly 'learned' nature of my postings - instead of actually posting some counter-information - showing my postings to be bogus. Why only this apparent insult?

 

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these and many other topics and ideas you espouse have nothing to do with Krsna consciousness.

 

Reply:

 

You are seemingly ‘very’ narrow-minded [instead of even ‘a little’ broadminded] – thus you fail to see the real nature of ‘that’ comment?

 

Please give some examples and - explain with logic - why the material is unrelated to Krishna Consciousness?

 

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so what exactly is your point you should preach KC to the liberal party theives and demons who belittle the indigent peoples of canada and who keep us in abject poverty while taking large pensions for themselves

 

Reply:

 

The conservatives would do NOTHING for the poor – you must know that!?

 

The fact is - we shouldn't expect any more from the NDP - just see - the NDP - who have been in office in Saskatchewan - for 13 years - have not increased Welfare rates - which rates remain at 1981 levels - which levels were set by - the conservatives!

 

I do 'preach' to the Liberals and - to many others too!

 

Unfortunately - Mr. Harper - Mr. Layton - Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair [and many more] - are quite unqualified for the message of this string as they are avowedly illusioned players in [or they are those who 'place bets on'] the 'kali yuga games'.

 

The Liberals are not thieves. Some individuals in the Liberal party acted independently and took money – so they are now gone.

 

Do you recall that the grant divine conservatives in Saskatchewan were displaced from government due to this type of scandal – some were convicted too!

 

Do not double-speak like this nature of indiscretions is a 'Liberal problem' - as it isn’t.

 

At this time let’s consider the type of people who make up the conservative party.

 

Did you see that point about Mr. Stockwell Day - when he was an Alberta MLA – how he stood up in the Alberta Government House during Question Period in 1997 and - stated vehemently - that it was - ‘through witchcraft that women were sitting in the government house’ - that public comment IS blindingly representative of the dangerous draconian ideology [and attitudes] of these individuals leading a 'faith-based' 'far-right' conservative-alliance ‘hybrid’.

 

Why do you want ‘them’ in the PMO?

 

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point in fact about the ndp- svend robinson openly gay -steals a 64000 ring and cries he is leaving political public life due to the stress of the incident if that was you your butt would be doing 3-5 for theft over 1000.

he is getting ready to run again for ndp seat and when he retires he gets 60 to 70 a year for being someones bit__.

 

Reply:

 

I thought he was out of politics – so he is running again?

 

Well he and his NDP party are poised to forfeit more seats in this election!

 

As you must be aware from your readings here – I have NO positive confidence whatsoever in the NDP…

 

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wow what else - we are still under martial law enacted by Trudeau during the FLQ crisis and it was never recinded after the FLQ mess.

 

Reply:

 

Oh please - we are not in a Liberal police state! Prove that it wasn’t rescinded? The War Measures Act was repealed in July 1988 [the only good thing to come out of the conservative 1980's].

 

If we see Mr. Harper in the PMO - we for certain could see much worse for Canada - who would become an active-player within the manufactured ‘point and counter-point’ global situation - which nightmare of course - is still in its early stages – the NDP – well I have no confidence that they too wouldn’t do as much themselves – just look at left-wing Tony Blair’s active position within the right-wing!

 

Wasn’t it a conservative [Prime Minister Borden] who invoked the War measures Act in 1914 – could that happen again with today's conservatives?

 

Why did the conservatives invoke the War Measures Act in 1914?

 

In contrast - it wasn’t until four years later that the double-speaking President Wilson pushed the Sedition Act on Americans!

 

Srila Prabhupada writes:

 

…By hook and crook they get some votes and get the responsible chair in government. Naturally they can whimsically enact any law which is against the interest of the people in general... [Letter dated September 15, 1971]

 

… At the present moment these rulers are so powerful that by hook or by crook they capture the highest posts in government and harass countless numbers of people on the plea of national security or some emergency.… [sB 10.3.21, purport]

 

So indeed - with the War Measures Act repealed in 1988 into the - Emergencies Act – a neocon-conservative Ottawa - propped-up by a Left-wing party might indeed - under the imptus of - ‘national security or some emergency - whimsically enact any law which is against the interest of the people’ – that is a fact.

 

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so how do like your liberal police state now oh learned fellow? what a bunch of nonsense.

 

Reply:

 

It wasn’t the Liberal’s who implanted me with a CRFID – it was the NDP and - it isn’t the ‘conservatives’ who are helping me to bring accountability and closure…

 

Quote:

 

what canadaians need is to stop being ripped off by the likes of those claiming to have canadians best interests at heart during the last dozen years of inept political bull____.

 

Reply:

 

You seem to think that eight years of conservative rule was better? What wonderful memories do you pine over from that era? What makes you think that Stephen Harper is any less prone to a reactionary position – especially if in the novelty of his being PM he could interact with the global right wing? You dislike the Liberals so much that you’d put a minority right-wing government in Ottawa – one that would have to be propped-up by the Left-wing NDP and the Separatists…

 

Here is what Srila Prabhupada writes:

 

the politicians, as soon as they see that they cannot manage things, in the country there is confusion, they declare some war so that the whole attention may be turned that side, and there will be no agitation of the internal dissatisfaction. This is diplomacy. This is diplomacy [sB Lecture, December 04, 1973]

 

We see that the republicans under Mr. Bush and the Labour Party under Mr. Blair have done exactly that – have the Liberals done that?

 

Would Mr. Harper engage proactively in Bush and Co.’s manufactured conflicts - so that when he ‘cannot manage things domestically - he’ll engage in some war so that the whole attention may be turned that side’?

 

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and you- well... we will pray you get the mercy soon !

 

Reply:

 

What mercy is that?

 

Thank you for your comments.

 

BDM

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Give the job [and the map to hell] to Mr. Harper then...? NOT!

[Bhakta Don Muntean 0]

Quote:

 

hey man you must be well off or working for the government cause we know that should another party win it'll be better

 

Reply:

 

Working for government? No. Spreading truth? Yes.

 

When I collect for the June 05, 2002 Implant Scandal - then I'll be 'well off'...

 

Do see that the NDP and the conservatives are not any good choice - even as opposition parties.

 

Things in Canada are better now - of course things must be improved much more - and with the Liberals - they shall be.

 

When the conservatives were kicked out of office by Canadians in 1993 - they left us in HUGE DEBT - you do know that. Now what is the debt level?

 

Why did the Liberals have to make cuts in the first place?

 

What happens to Canada if we were to maintain that level of national debt? We were 'only' 30 percent from a 100% GDP debt! Of course - we were more likley to be dictated to by the world bank with a debt level like that.

 

Here is a thought - Mr. Martin has proved in his own personal business success that he can be shrewd in managing 'money' - making much more [hey - don't say it!] – so what about Mr. Harper and Mr. Layton – do they have that experience? Issue by issue – Mr. Martin is more qualified!

 

BDM

[Guest guest]

ya Bono pushes for peace and prosperity for the poor and utterly less fortunate .

 

"ya what ever" give em all the trees that grow in Canada ( this reads explotaton of other living entities)

 

Rice supports murdering innocent Iraqi women and children and old people so please don't glorify what the Americans stand for.

 

the point of oil is murder of people and the environment and Canada now supports the terrorist US sucking the oil out of Iraq and other countries.

 

you missed the point in the Isopanisads about who what are trees.read Srila Prabhupadsas words on the subject of trees according to the Srimad Bhagavatam.

 

the "they" you claim stuck that so-called thing up your face( close enough to affect the brain ?)

 

why would you be so special "they " would do that to you and no one else ? hhmmmm !

 

preach to the conservatives if you must then maybe they will listen to you !!!!if it'll make you happy

 

acting independantly is not a public servants position

 

oh about Svend you didn't know this ? its all over the news !

 

1914 war measures act - well a hundred years earlier we kicked the crapola out of the invading Americans better be safe than sorry

 

we think the implant you have says -made in china- no doubt

 

then what government implanted you and which government is helping you to closure ?

 

and "what mercy is that " ? why the mercy of Sri Sri Caitanya Nityanada Prabhus of course and all the knowledge and wealth of the six goswamis in their example of simple poverty and gracious humility in understanding and remaining Acintya

 

cause the reality of it is we are neither conservative or liberal or ndp or any other of that nonsense ---black white this that all simply material designations according to the Vedas thats why we are puzzeled by your train of thought regarding the TRUTH in and of Srila Prabhupadas books and what has you supposedly being implanted with something have to do with anything

 

gee I was circumsized at birth what chances it was due to some foreign traditions that I want nothing to do with.

 

ya ever try suing to get your pupice back ? it was obviously there for a purpose NO ?

 

did you have that thing removed by your family physician or is it still in there ?

 

good luck getting your money bub !

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bhakta Don Muntean 0]

Dear guest:

 

Please makeup a name and use it when posting here? Too lazy to do that?

 

Quote:

 

ya ever try suing to get your pupice back ? it was obviously there for a purpose NO ?

 

did you have that thing removed by your family physician or is it still in there ?

 

Reply:

 

Heck I put the time into a reply to you and - this is the best you can come back with??

 

I certainly see something here....

 

What is a "pupice" and - are you making excuses for the noted abusers/abuse - "..it was obviously there for a purpose NO..."

 

I am thinking that you don't know what you're talking about here - your reply is erratic - and - where did you get the idea that I glorify ‘what’ America stands for?

 

No the implant hasn't been removed.

 

I really do doubt that it came from China - I think it came from the U.S. [or it was made right here in Canada – we have materialistically smart people here who could fashion this] and - I told you it was the NDP who is the 'power' behind the implanting - and - it isn't the conservatives who are helping me - who is the only other national party – ‘that’ is who has been helping me for months to obtain justice/closure...

 

Why not discuss my post - sentence by sentence?

 

I think you've failed to understand my postings...

 

Also I have no interest in preaching to the faith-based right-wing conservatives - they take/make offense too easily.

 

If God so desires - they can come here and learn.

 

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thats why we are puzzeled by your train of thought regarding the TRUTH in and of Srila Prabhupadas books and what has you supposedly being implanted with something have to do with anything

 

Reply:

 

Who is the "we"?

 

You are the 'fellow' who is appearing "puzzeled" about facts - that is clearly evidenced by your replies to my postings here.

 

I am implanted - as of June 05, 2002 – a long 42 months to the day on this Monday.

 

Who cares if you accept it - or not - one day you'll go to ‘a doctor’ and in your [present] blindness you may be injected with 'something' - that'll turnout to be an RFID implant?

 

Within [at most] ten more years we'll be there! But some people like you won't be aware even then - as you scoff now at this.

 

Since the start of my protest I haven’t encountered any claims from others that this has happened to others – I think it was only ‘special’ me.

 

As for why they did it to me – that is something they have to answer.

 

This type of abuse is interestingly enough mentioned in a conversation with Srila Prabhupada – which I recently had a closer look at – the particular conversation October 14, 1975 mentions that something similar happened to an individual who later became a devotee. Part of the discussion seems quite unbelievable - in that they were using the technology to ‘program his brain’ etc., – that may not have been true but - who knows about the tracking/listening part – this technology has been around in variant forms - since the early 1970’s so who knows. I just found it to be very interesting that something like this was discussed with Srila Prabhupada [thirty years ago!] – who didn’t have much to say about it – he certainly didn’t criticize their assertion of its occurrence - I can say that I think he didn’t want to discuss it at that time - as it was something that upset him – he may have well seen it as a serious incursion of Kali Yuga ‘control’ – of course the fact of what happened to me is totally unrelated to this.

 

Here is a real x-ray of the real implant:

 

 

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acting independantly is not a public servants position

 

Reply:

 

What do you mean? How does that apply here?

 

No one is able to act "independantly":

 

the living entity has the tendency to reject the sanction of the Supreme Lord and act independantly in an attempt to dominate the supreme nature [bG 13.23, purport]

 

Can I ask you why you write like you do – with no capitals and very poor spelling – no spellchecker in your PC?

 

No offense to you but - your writing is erratic and in-substantive – you could try some line-by-line debate and put in some real effort…

 

[as for “mercy” – my hand in my bead bag brings me that]

 

BDM

[Bhakta Don Muntean 0]

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cause the reality of it is we are neither conservative or liberal or ndp or any other of that nonsense ---black white this that all simply material designations according to the Vedas thats why we are puzzeled by your train of thought regarding the TRUTH in and of Srila Prabhupadas books and what has you supposedly being implanted with something have to do with anything

 

Reply:

 

True we are NOT those designations – but we ‘eternal souls’ are however - living and interacting in a world of names and designations – if you are suggesting that I am preaching otherwise then you're not reading very clearly,,,

 

Quote:

 

the "they" you claim stuck that so-called thing up your face( close enough to affect the brain ?)

 

Reply:

 

You never answered who the THEY is to which you refer. Are you still suggesting that the implant is somehow having some ‘affect’ on my brain?

 

There is a less than 0000000000.1% chance their technology could do that no - it’s a transponder and potentially - a listening device.

 

Quote:

 

you missed the point in the Isopanisads about who what are trees.read Srila Prabhupadsas words on the subject of trees according to the Srimad Bhagavatam.

 

Reply:

 

The point wasn’t about trees – it was about misappropriations of nature’s resources. In the purport to Ishopanisad text one Srila Prabhupada writes:

 

…In modern society there is always a great quarrel between the laborers and the capitalists. This quarrel has taken an international shape, and the world is in danger…There can be no peace if the communists or capitalists or any other party claims proprietorship over the resources of nature, which are entirely the property of the Lord…

 

You write: “missed the point in the Isopanisads about who what are trees” – there is no mention of “trees” neither within the Ishopanisad - nor in the purports therein.

[Guest guest]

The way I view life is that the world is full of little Satans and little Napoleons right now. They are everywhere. Its like that movie Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Some demon incarnated on Earth and created a Satan pod and everyone born in the Kali-yuga is a byproduct of these pods. They are pod people.

[Bhakta Don Muntean 0]

Yes...there are kali yuga - pod people and - we are God people - and - we're both trying to infect all - our 'infection' however - is the 'cure'...

 

Satan is a myth but – ‘he’ is also an archetype or prototype - of a particular type of kali yuga ‘character’ that some spirit souls take on.

 

YS,

 

BDM