The Hajj

[Gauracandra 1]

It seems that the Hajj (the required trip to Mecca once in a lifetime for Muslims) has come to an end with nary a peep. For some reason I would have thought the press would have covered it more of late because of how often Muslims have been in the news since 9/11.

 

As I understand it these are the five "pillars" of Islam:

 

1) Worship Allah and Mohammed is His messenger

2) Prayer to be performed five times daily

3) Supporting the needy

4) Fasting during the month of Ramadan

5) Visiting Mecca during the Hajj

 

All of the above, except the fifth, seem reasonable for any Muslim to do. But the Hajj I would think was only available to many muslims in the last few decades (with the advances in transportation). Even 100 years ago, for someone in Indonesia to travel to Mecca would be a great difficulty, so I must think most Muslims in the past would have found it very difficult to fulfill this last requirement. Even so, I've read that about 2 million muslims went this year, which seems awfully small to me, given that there are 1 Billion muslims in the world.

[Tarun 6]

Very few Christians or Jews visit Vatican or Jerusalem.

They prefer Atlantic City, Las Vegas.

Must be the free bus ride.

[Tarun 6]

At the Hajj

-Artists: Danny & The Jihad Juniors

-the # 14 song of 1955-1959 rock era

-was # 1 for 7 weeks in 1958

-Words and Music by Arthur Singer, John L. Medora, and David White

 

Bah-bah-bah-bah, bah-bah-bah-bah

Bah-bah-bah-bah. bah-bah-bah-bah, at the Hajj!

Well, you can rock it you can roll it

You can stop and you can stroll it at the Hajj

When the record starts a spinnin'

You *chalypso* Halal chicken at the Hajj

Do the dance sensation that is sweepin' Arab nations at the Hajj

Ah, let's go to the Hajj

Let's go to the Hajj, (oh Akbar)

Let's go to the Hajj, (oh Ali)

Let's go to the Hajj

Come on, let's go to the Hajj

Well, you can swing it you can groove it

You can really start to move it at the Hajj

Where the jockey is the smoothest

And the music is the coolest at the Hajj

All the cats and chicks can get their kicks at the Hajj

Let's go!

Let's go to the Hajj

Let's go to the Hajj, (oh baby)

Let's go to the Hajj, (oh baby)

Let's go to the Hajj

Come on, let's go to the Hajj

Let's go!

<instrumental interlude>

Well, you can rock it you can roll it

You can stop and you can stroll it at the Hajj

When the record starts spinnin'

You *chalypso* when you chicken at the Hajj

Do the dance sensation that is sweepin' the nation at the Hajj

You can swing it you can groove it

You can really start to move it at the Hajj

Where the jockey is the smoothest

And the music is the coolest at the Hajj.

All the cats and chicks can get their kicks at the Hajj.

Let's go!

Let's go to the Hajj

Let's go to the Hajj, (oh baby)

Let's go to the Hajj, (oh baby)

Let's go to the Hajj

Come on, let's go to the Hajj

Bah-bah-bah-bah, bah-bah-bah-bah

Bah-bah-bah-bah. bah-bah-bah-bah, at the

Hajj!

 

NOTE: *chalypso* came about by doing cha-cha to a calypso tune

Transcribed by Ronald E. Hontz

ronhontz@worldnet.att.net

[gHari 0]

I think they are required to do this pilgrimage once during their lifetime.

 

I have read various speculative pieces about the stone actually being a Shiva Deity left over from the peoples of Mohammad's parents who worshiped Lord Siva. I think I should do a little surfing now to see what the Muslims themselves say about the significance of the Hajj stone.

 

Tarun, I recognize that song - it was an early Hajj Mahal hit.

[gHari 0]

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Sacred Black Stone

 

 

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The Hajj seems to be mostly about Abraham, complete with the circumambulation of the first church he built (subsequently restored by Mohammed), the throwing of seven stones at the devil, and the sacrificing of sheep.

 

Background

The Ka'ba is the first House built for the worship of the one GOD, ALLAH (Subhanahu wa ta'ala), the GOD of all mankind. It was erected by Ibrahim (Abraham) and his son Isma'eel (Ishmael) (alaihim assalaam, i.e., may peace be upon them). Ibrahim's (alaihis salaam, i.e., may peace be upon him) faith in the LORD is well documented in the Noble Qur'an. Ibrahim (alaihis salaam) is described as being a nation by himself, due to his great faith in ALLAH (Subhanahu wa ta'ala).

 

Ibrahim (alaihis salaam) was instructed to take his wife Hajar, and son Isma'eel (alaihis salaam) to Makkah. At that time, Makkah was an unpopulated, barren desert. Ibrahim (alaihis salaam) obeyed the LORD's command and took his family to Makkah. As he left them there alone, sorrow overcame him. But he knew he was obeying the LORD's command, so he supplicated asked the LORD to preserve his loved ones, to allow the desert to bloom and provide for them, and to have swarms of people come and visit them. The Hajj is part of the LORD's granting of Ibrahim's (alaihis salaam) supplication. For over 1400 years, Muslims from all over the world, visit Makkah every year, to perform the Hajj and visit the Ancient House of the LORD.

The mysterious mystical? holy stone (from a Glossary of HAJJ Terms)

Hajar ul Aswad - The sacred Black Stone built into the south-east corner of the Ka'bah at a height of approximately four feet. The stone does not belong to the geology of the region and is a part of the original construction of the Ka'bah by Prophet Ibrahim (ABRAHAM) (pbuh). The Black Stone was personally installed in the wall of the Ka'bah by the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) himself during its reconstruction following its destruction by a flash flood. The Prophet (pbuh) also kissed it during his Last (Farewell) Hajj. Thus, touching and kissing (Istilam) of Hajar ul Aswad during Umra and Hajj is considered sunnah.

 

Al-Hajarul Aswad (from Another Source) The "Black Stone", a remainder of the original Ka'ba.

 

It is a stone from Paradise.

 

The ONLY reason to kiss the black-stone is that our beloved Prophet Muhammad kissed it. It has NO special powers it is NOT worshipped by Muslims.

 

"Istilaam" means to place both palms on the Black Stone and to kiss it three times gently without a smack.

 

Muslims do NOT worship the black stone.

 

Also at this place:

The word "Allah" is ALSO used by Arab Christians and Arab Jews for THE ONE SUPREME UNIVERSAL GOD. In addition, the word for "Allah" is "Eloh-im" in Hebrew and "Allaha" in Aramaic, the mother tongue of Jesus (pbuh).

 

He is The ONLY GOD WHOM ALL Judaic Prophets including Prophets Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus (pbut) and Prophet Muhammad WORSHIPPED.

This short synopsis was offered by the Encyclopoedia of the Orient:

H A J J

 

Pilgrimage in Islam, to Mecca, that is compulsory to Muslims of good health and with sufficient funds to make the journey to Mecca.

 

Hajj is the highest of all Muslim practices, even if less than 10% of all Muslims ever manage to perform it. In modern times about 2 million Muslims perform the hajj every year, and this number seems to be fairly close to the maximum. Saudi authorities have now put regulations on how many can come from each country, so that anyone who wants to perform the hajj has to apply, and many are turned down.

 

The hajj is important because it lets the believer come to the place that is both the centre of the world, as well as the place where the divine revelations collected in the Holy Koran started, and continued for about 12 years. But most important, the hajj is a continuation of what according to Islam is one of the oldest true and pure religious rituals (pure in the term that is performed according to God's will).

What the believer does during hajj is to recall what happened to important persons in Muslim history. The rituals performed around the Ka'ba recalls the acts of Abraham and Isma'il when they turned the Ka'ba into the sacred place of worship and peace (Koran sura 2 aya 119). The next act recalls the running of Hajar, when she ran for water for her son.

 

But following this, and we have now arrived at the core of hajj (the acts above are also performed in the smaller pilgrimage, umra) both the theological and historical background is more unclear. Muslim and Western researchers trace the backgrounds to Muhammad's own performance of the hajj. It is clear that Muslims commemorates Muhammad's acts, but why Muhammad did exactly what he once did, is unclear to modern researchers.

 

These are the ones that are not obliged to perform hajj at least once during their lifetime: Mad people, slaves, women that are without travelling company (close relative or husband), people without the necessary funds.

 

Most hajjiyys arrive in Mecca a few days before the hajj proper begins, while some see the opportunity of arriving in Ramadan, the month of sawm, an act which is seen as especially merited. While it is recommended that the hajjiyys should robe themselves in the ihram already at the beginning of the journey, the clear majority puts this on towards the end of the journey to Mecca.

The first that the hajjiyy does is to perform the umra, while the hajj proper starts on Dhu l-hijja. 7. But the umra is by all means understood as a part of the hajj, and many of the symbols connected to hajj are as a matter of fact happenings during the umra.

 

Dhu l-hijja. 7

This day is spent with praying in the Great Mosque in Mecca. This act is preparing the hajjiyys for the holy ceremonies.

 

Dhu l-hijja. 8

The hajjiyys now leave Mecca. Following the two caskets that are being brought every year to the hajj from Damascus and from Cairo, the hajjiyys reach the plain of Arafat, after passing through Mina and Muzdalifa. Many ascend the mountain Jabalu r-Rahma, but these days, only a small percentage has the chance of actually doing this. Up on the mountain the one small phrase, "Labbayka", is sung out over and over again.

 

Dhu l-hijja. 9

This is really the day which is meant to be spent out here, and the action during this day is simply called wuquuf, 'standing'. Two khutbas fill the day entirely. When the sun sets behind the Western hills, the idafa starts. The idafa is the running to Muzdalifa. The two last prayers are performed here, and the night is spent.

 

Dhu l-hijja. 10

This morning starts with a khutba in Muzdalifa, before the hajjiyys goes to Mina. In Mina different duties awaits the hajjiyy. 7 stones, that have been gathered in Muzdalifa the day before, are thrown by each hajjiyy at the 3 jamra, pillars that shall represent the powers of Shaytan. This place, Shaytan appeared in front of Ibrahim. When the 7 stones have been thrown off, the hajj is more or less to an end, yet there are othere ceremonies yet to be performed. The crying of "labbayka" comes to an end, around this time.

 

At this time a sheep or a goat is sacrificed, but while this ends the hajj, it is another fiest, called Idu l-kabir. Mnay of the hajjiyys do not kill the animal themselves, but get professional butchers to do it. Parts of the meat are these days eaten, but most is taken care of by Saudi authorities, that make sure that nothing is lost, but distributed partly to the needing.

Many have their heads shaven at this moment. The shaving is done while turning towards the qibla. When this is done, the ihram is left, and the hajjiyy is no longer a mihram, the one that had the holy purity of the ihram. It is now custom to return to Mecca, and perform the tawwaf, the circumambulation of the ka'ba. Washing and bathing is done this same day, as this was prohibited during the ihram.

 

Dhu l-hijja. 11-13

These last days of the extended hajj are spent in Mina, and are filled with eating, drinking and for those together with their spouse, sensual pleasure. Every day seven stones are thrown on each of the 3 jamra. While the most correct is to stay at Mina until the 13., a large number of the hajjiyys return to Mecca on the 12. A last umra has to be performed. Some days later, people set out for what has become an intrinsic part of the hajj, a visit to Madina and the tomb of Muhammad.

I noticed that Abraham's wife was called Hajar; perhaps this is why Mohammed kissed the Hajar stone three times?<font color="#dedfdf">

 

[This message has been edited by gHari (edited 03-09-2002).]

[Gauracandra 1]

I have also heard that, as you mentioned, the Kabba was a Shiva Linga. I’m never sure if all of this is true, or if it is just Hindu propaganda. What I have read certainly had some circumstantial evidence. Apparently (from what I’ve read) Mohammed’s uncle wrote poetry dedicated to Mahadeva (I think it was his uncle). And certainly it is historically accurate that he waged a war against idol worshippers, at one point destroying a temple housing several hundred idols, of which this Kabba was said to be one. In addition, other circumstantial evidence given includes the Crescent Moon as the symbol of Islam (which is also worn in the hair of Shiva). Allah in Sanskrit is another name for Durga. And there were a number of other items.

[Tarun 6]

Allah-nAth SwAmI became Bhaktyaloka ParamAdvaitI Mhrj.

Notice how they circumambulate the opposite way we do.

Just as Hebrew & Arabic r written & read right to left.

Vedically keep your right shoulder in toward antarAnga-zakti.

[Gauracandra 1]

Here is one poem that is said to have been written by Mohammed's uncle:

 

Muhammad's own uncle, Umar-Bin-E-Hassham was a staunch Hindu and fervent devotee of Lord Shiva. He was a renowned poet and wrote many verses in praise of Shiva. One of these has survived on page 235 of Sair-Ul-Okul and reads as follows:

 

 

Kafavomal fikra min ulumin Tab asayru

Kaluwan amataul Hawa was Tajakhru

We Tajakhayroba udan Kalalwade-E Liboawa

Walukayanay jatally, hay Yauma Tab asayru

Wa Abalolha ajabu armeeman MAHADEVA

Manojail ilamuddin minhum wa sayattaru

Wa Sahabi Kay-yam feema-Kamil MINDAY Yauman

Wa Yakulum no latabahan foeennak Tawjjaru

Massayaray akhalakan hasanan Kullahum

Najumum aja- at Summa gabul HINDU

 

 

which translates as:

 

 

The man who may spend his life in sin

and irreligion or waste it in lechery and wrath

If at least he relent and return to

righteousness can he be saved?

If but once he worship Mahadeva with a pure

heart, he will attain the ultimate in spirituality.

Oh Lord Shiva exchange my entire life for but

a day's sojourn in India where one attains salvation.

But one pilgrimage there secures for one all

merit and company of the truly great.

 

[Guest guest]

the Sacred Black Stone remembers me to sivas 3 rd eye, but don t know why .?

 

i ve also heard that the kaaba is a hindu temple :

www.hinduism.co.za

 

hare krishna

[barney 0]

They are following what the Hindus would do at Shiva's temple. Yes, what is in the Kaaba is the Shiva Lingam, which was the family diety of Mohammed's father who was the resident priest during the pre Islamic erra and the tradition follows till today. That is why you see the half moon or cresent moon as the symbol of Islam, which you would find above the lock of hair of Shiva. So, let's not make fun of their religious obligation, which they pay oblation to Lord Shiva who resides in Mecca.

[Guest guest]

Its also possible that in the past, most muslims already resided close to the middle east. Not to say that there were no muslims elsewhere, but the majority probably did. Just as modern transportation has made it easier for muslims to travel to Mecca, it also made it easier for muslims to travel to other parts of the world to live.

[Guest guest]

Kaaba is the Qibla i.e. the direction Muslims face during their prayers. It is important to note that though Muslims face the Kaaba during prayers, they do not worship the Kaaba. Muslims worship and bow to none but Allah.

It is mentioned in Surah Baqarah:

"We see the turning of thy face (for guidance) to the heavens: now shall We turn thee to a Qiblah that shall please thee. Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque: wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction."

[Al-Qur&#8217;an 2:144]

 

1. Islam believes in fostering unity

For instance, if Muslims want to offer Salaah (Prayer), it is possible that some may wish to face north, while some may wish to face south. In order to unite Muslims in their worship of the One True God, Muslims, wherever they may be, are asked to face in only one direction i.e. towards the Kaaba. If some Muslims live towards the west of the Kaaba they face the east. Similarly if they live towards the east of the Kaaba they face the west.

 

2. Kaaba is at the Centre of the World Map

The Muslims were the first people to draw the map of the world. They drew the map with the south facing upwards and north downwards. The Kaaba was at the centre. Later, western cartographers drew the map upside down with the north facing upwards and south downwards. Yet, Alhamdullilah the Kaaba is at the centre of the world map.

 

3. Tawaaf around Kaaba for indicating one God

When the Muslims go to Masjid-e-Haram in Makkah, they perform tawaaf or circumambulation round the Kaaba. This act symbolizes the belief and worship of One God, since, just as every circle has one centre, so also there is only one Allah (swt) worthy of worship.

 

4. Hadith of Umar (may Allah be pleased with him)

Regarding the black stone, hajr-e-aswad, there is a hadith (tradition), attributed to the illustrious companion of the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh), Umar (may Allah be pleased with him).

According to Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, book of Hajj, chapter 56, H.No. 675. Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) said, "I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the Prophet (pbuh) touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you".

 

5. People stood on Kaaba and gave the adhaan

At the time of the Prophet, people even stood on the Kaaba and gave the &#8216;adhaan&#8217; or the call to prayer. One may ask those who allege that Muslims worship the Kaaba; which idol worshipper stands on the idol he worships?

[Guest guest]

-->I noticed that Abraham's wife was called Hajar; perhaps this is why Mohammed kissed the Hajar stone three times?

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Abraham wife's name is Hajira and the black stone is called Hajar-Aswad [Hajr(Stone) Aswad(Black)]

 

 

Let not The curse of God befall you!

[Guest guest]

You people make it sound good by calling lingam a phallic symbol,

Dont attribute that THING to our RELIGION OF TRUTH AND PURITY!

 

Many dont know even what Lingam is about and they name themselves RamaLingam, Sundaralingam ! Cant anything be more Silly than this?

 

I know this Message will be removed because you are hidding the truth , I've seen that you have changed your scriptures according to your need , esp the bhavishya puarana which talks about Prophet Muhammed,

The Entire translation of the verse is different from what isthere in this site!

 

Some one was telling me that hindus are not kafirs because the meaning of Kafir is (the one who hides the truth).

And I see now that You are TRULY KAFIRS( THOSE WHO HIDE TRUTH).

 

This message is been kept on CONTINUAL deletion.

But remember the Truth is clear and False hood is Clear. And false hood is bound to perish.

 

Accept Islam the TRUTH!

[Guest guest]

When shiva danced with his damarukku the alphabets were created. First was A last was L. So when we say AL it means like saying A to Z in english,

THis Al became the first alphabet in many languages. Alif in arabic, Alpha in latin and alphabet is english.

 

Allah to is the derivation of this word. Allah the moon god is nothing but somnath the hindu moon god, shiva.Shiva is called as moon god by various names chandrasekar, balachandar,chandra mouli etc.

 

Whole world worshipped the same god earlier. Whole world had only one holy text,vedas. Whole world had only one god,parabhramman.Whole world had only one holy sign,swastik.

 

Proof of this lies all over the world.Swasthika was the holiest sign of julius ceaser's army. He carried it with him when he invaded north africa.Before jesus, the followers of abraham carried swasthika as their holy symbol.Then it was changed to cross.

 

Even the red indians worshipped swastika.They called it swasthika in pre columbus america. In japan they called swasthika as maijee.

 

In persia zorastrianism was the major religion.Zand avesta was the main book.Fire was the god worshipped.

 

in sanskrit souram means fire.From souram we have the name surya.Souram is a religion in hinduism which worships fire.

sangya yogam became sangyaga avestam and zand avesta.In hinduism without fire no ritual is completed.

 

Even the word sumerians came from "sumeru" meaning meru mountain of lord shiva.

 

Yogavan is the god mentioned in vedas.It got corrupted as jehovah.(yogovan is shiva)Before christ jews worshipped this jehovah only.Then christ was born. he claimed to be son of god. He spend his youth in kashmir,learning buddhism and hinduism.He came upto jagannath. Then he went to israel. But he faced a curious problem there. He could not preach buddism there. For that he has to ask his followers not to eat meat, which he knew will never happen.So he altered it and preached it.He was crossed.Cross then replaced swasthika as the holy sign of christians.

 

Similairly after 7 centuries, in arabia prophet mohammed came out with his second version.he said that he worshipped the same god worshipped by christians and jews, but negated many claims of christians like holy spirit impregnating mary and jesus being god.

 

But the fact remains that the whole world worships the same parabhramman,who gave vedas as his holiest texts.he gave swasthika as his holiest symbol.Hitler realized it, but in a wrong way.Had he chosen to have swasthika as a remainder of a glorious past, which suggested love and affection, he would now have been in the ranks of the holy men and saints.

 

But the evidence remains, right?

[barney 0]

But today none of them wants to accept the truth. It is from Hinduism that all other path of worship followed. Ravana called Lord Shiva "Chandra Shekhara" and the Mulims god Allah is the moon God whos also Shiva. He is also the the Sun God and Indra in Rig Veda. The whole world was paying oblation to Lord Shiva who is the Paramathma Sri Parameswara. The Arabs have forbidden anyone other than the chosen Arab of Mohammed's linage only to clean the inside of the Kaaba for fear that the non Arab Muslim converts might know the truth. I remember in the 70's there was a book published by an English author who happen to stumble upon his late father's journal[his father too was a writer] where his father wrote about his visit to Mecca in the early forties and wanted to discover what actually is inside the Kaaba. he converted to Islam while in Mecca and stayed there for a couple of years to gain the confidence of the selection committee who would select 12 men to clean the Kaaba of the cobwebs every twelve years once like we would repaint or repair our temples every twelve years once.

 

Now being close with the imams and clergyies in Mecca he gain their confidence and so he was selected to go in to clean. Since you cannot take any pictures of the contents inside his father remembered every detail of the objects inside. After a few years there he returned to England and wrote the journal and what he saw inside the Kaaba. He drew the exact replica of the Shiva Linga on the pedestale. Some how after his death his son discovered the journal and wrote a book about his father's experience and whe the book was out in the seventies it was banned in all Muslim countries. This is a true story as my friend was an ex airport custom's officer who had confisticated this book from a traveller at the check counter as it was abanned and he had the opportniy to read it before surrendering the book to his superior. Anway, whatever it is Muslims all over the do not know the real truth behind the retaining of the black stone by Mohammed while he destroyed other idols in the Kaaba. Chandrashekhara [another name of Lord Shiva]was the family God of Mohammed's father who was the chief priest[gurukal] of the temple they now call Kaaba. When Mohammed created this new form of religion which he believed that only Lord Shiva is the ultimate truth and that all statues other dieties should be destroyed. His father agreed and that was how Islam was born. But he refused o accept the vedas and created his own version of holy book assimilating the Jewish Torah and Talmud[which contains manusmriti]and the NT too in order to unite the Jewish, Christian and the Hindu religion into one religion and to make Mecca the center point of a great religion so that foreign money will flow into Mecca which in turn will turn Mecca inot a rich nation in whole of Arabia. A very smart thinking Arab who was only a slave of a rich widow.

[Guest guest]

You are right.

 

this is kali yuga. Shiva is considered supreme by most people in kali yuga.

 

so thru post of "priya" it is clear that many people accepted shiva as supreme.

 

yep its the will of Lord krishna.

 

Anyway in Gita, it is clearly specified that all religions are directed towards him (krishna) only.

 

Also in Gita, it is clearly specified that Among Rudras, i (krishna) am the shiva-sankara.

 

so if the whole world worshipped (or worships) shiva, then they are actually worshipping Lord krishna.

 

Moreover, sometimes narashima is also worshipped in form of smooth oval stone. so linga is a form of worshipping narashima. (See Narashima purana for details)

 

narashima & krishna are one.

 

/images/graemlins/smile.gif Om Namah Sivaya

/images/graemlins/smile.gif Om Namo Venkatesaya

[Guest guest]

I dont understand where do you people get those stories from! Allah a moon God? Perhaps I think that you've forgotten to type an appostophe "s" after that. I should be like this > Allah is Moon's God! Not only Moon's God, but Sun's god, Earth's God, priya's God, Muslim's God, hindu's God, Barney's God I should not also forget Betty's god, He is supreme, he is creator of EVERYTHING! So everything belongs to God.

 

The Major difference in an Islamic Creed and that of Hindus is : " A Muslim belives that EVERYTHING IS GOD's, whereas a HINDU belives that EVREYTHING is GOD!"

 

This Major Difference is just an Appostrophe s ('s).

 

It is a Major misconception people have that the name ALLAH is a name of a diety, just like ganapathy, durga bla bla

It is not! Allah is an arabic word for the word GOD in ENGLISH.

 

If you read an arabic bible, you will see ALLAH, because it is the translation of the word GOD, and if you can get hold of any hindu scripture in arabic, see for yourself the word Allah is nothing but a translation for the word GOD!

 

The Discussion you are offering is very much PRIMITIVE, I dont know where do you get to know all these absurd blatant ideas of "Allah is Moon God" and those of the signs bla bla. Hindus are always giving new ideas, everytime i see one hindu I get newly innovated and invented idea of hinduism. i feel sorry for you, why are you playing with God? God is Supreme, he has no forms.

 

Na tasya Pratima Asti

 

Na Casya kasij Janita na cadipah

 

He has no form

He has neither Lord or parent

 

Does any God of hinduism fits in the above verses of Upanishad and yajur ved?

 

Truth is clear, but still you are materialistic,

 

Prophet Muhammed didnt negate any claim of jew and christians, Prophet muhammed was EDUCATING the jews and christians that Jesus is not God. If you read the bible it says

In gospel of john 14:28

"...my father is greater than I"

In gospel of john 10:29

"...my father is greater than All"

In gospel of mathew 12:28

"I cast out devil with finger of God"

In gospel of john 11:20

"I with the finger of God, cast out the Devil"

 

The next verse makes it more clear

In gospel of john 5:30

 

"And Behold a man came to jesus and said ' Good Master! What good things shal I do to get eternal life?' and jesus said unto him 'Why callest thou me good? there is no good but god! and if you will to enter eternal life, keep the commandments"

 

Infact you cannot find in the whole bible where jesus says "Im god" or "Worship me". This is a challenge!

 

It is clear that the Christians do not read the Bible!

I can even set forth that even Hindus do not read the veda, upanishads, and others major scripture.

 

 

"Ekam evadvitiyam"

"He is One only without a second."

[Chandogya Upanishad 6:2:1]

 

"Na casya kascij janita na cadhipah."

"Of Him there are neither parents nor lord."

[svetasvatara Upanishad 6:9]

 

"Na tasya pratima asti"

"There is no likeness of Him."

[svetasvatara Upanishad 4:19]

 

The following verses from the Upanishad allude to the inability of man to imagine God in a particular form:

 

"Na samdrse tisthati rupam asya, na caksusa pasyati kas canainam."

 

"His form is not to be seen; no one sees Him with the eye."

[svetasvatara Upanishad 4:20]

 

TRUTH IS CLEAR!

 

 

I conclude up wit this verse from the gita

 

"Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures."

[bhagavad Gita 7:20]

 

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P.S

Your discussion on Jehovah doesnt makes any sense and so for others too.

The word Jehovah is nothing but ENGLISH, it refers to JESUS CHRIST but in HEBREW The name of Jesus is YESHU,(He is not God, Anyway!) Now try to find some other word and say that YESHU is same as that of your discussion! Try to bend and bend the straight line and say that its a Circle. Whatever you do, The Path is Straight and there is one TRUE Path, Follow Islam- The UNCORRUPTED RELIGION BY MAN.

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[Guest guest]

Om

The Path is Straight and there is one TRUE Path, Follow Islam- The UNCORRUPTED RELIGION BY MAN.

 

You said it "RELIGION BY MAN" yes the crooked Mahmad started all these, buy killing the people and still that continues.

 

If alla is the god why he waited all these time to send mahammed to the world this much time.

You people believe mahammed as the last prophet, then what abt the other prophet that was send by your god (alla) or not?

 

In the world every one is born as Hindu & dies as Hindu. Some fools betray the god and change for a little time(his life time) against him.

Om

[Guest guest]

The Path is Straight and there is one TRUE Path, Follow Islam- The UNCORRUPTED RELIGION BY MAN.--->Means religion from GOD, not corrupted by Man!

Whereas if you see the bible, it has been corrupted by Man from time to time, there are different versions of bible! But there is only Qur'an!

 

Muslims accept the Qur'an, as the word of God revealed to His last and final prophet, Mohammed (peace be upon him). Islam states that Allah sent messengers and prophets throughout the ages with the message of Unity of God, and accountability in the Hereafter. Islam thus makes it an article of faith to believe in all the earlier prophets, starting with Adam, and continuing with Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, John and Jesus amongst many others (may peace be on them all).

 

Islam is religion of peace, dont judge a car by its bad driver.

 

[Guest guest]

if islam is truly religion of peace, then dont try to destroy temples.

 

dont try to thrust ur views on others.

 

i think this thread is "hindu-religion.net" not "islam.net".

 

i think "govindramji" made a mistake by starting a wrong thread in wrong forum.

 

In Gita krishna clearly tells that whatever god one worships ultimately reaches him only.

 

marga-sampradaya is a path which teaches moral conduct of man & also teaches him to realise god. so following any sampradaya is not a wrong one. All the sampradayas are given by krishna himself (including ur islam).

 

so if u see god as allah (formless) then worship him instead of disturbing other faiths.

 

for everyone their religion or sampradaya is supreme. so for u islam may be supreme.

 

so dont declare that islam alone is a good path. we hindus are not.

 

Atleast true hindus dont kill any innocent animals & eat them.

 

muslims kill animals & eat them. they dont see god in animals. wat a supreme religion ur islam is ?

 

all our hindu religious gurus has advised to not to kill any life form. but muslims are opposite. without meat you cant eat.

 

so for a muslim to survive he kills & eats many lives. but for a "true" hindu to survive, no life is killed.

 

even ur mohammed killed & ate animals. so kind ur mohammed is.

 

[Guest guest]

Yes true! Muslims are not supposed to destroy temples, if we see the history, we see Prophet muhammed used to keep on stressing the following points during a war :

 

Do not kill woman

Do not kill children

Do not kill Old people

Do not kill animals

Do not kill priests

Do not destroy crops and field

Do not destroy places of worship

 

 

Qur'an says:

Whoever kills an innocent human is like he killed the whole humankind

And whoever cared for a human is like he did that for the whole humankind

 

 

 

>>>In Gita krishna clearly tells that whatever god one worships ultimately reaches him only.

 

marga-sampradaya is a path which teaches moral conduct of man & also teaches him to realise god. so following any sampradaya is not a wrong one. All the sampradayas are given by krishna himself (including ur islam).<<<

 

 

The same gita says

 

"Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures."

[bhagavad Gita 7:20]

 

We are not being against you, We care for you, people have gone astray from the truth, if you follow the scriptures, You will be in true path, thats were the truth is!

 

it is true that all religion is from GOD, but from time to time people have Changed the scripture with their own Hands. If it not been changed then it would be like a complete Universal Brotherhood beliving in One True God who has created us.

 

Islam means peace, it also means to "submit ones will to one true God", so are you following Islam?

 

Hindu by difinition are the person living beyond the indus vales thats india, SO IM A HINDU!

 

[Guest guest]

i think guestji has skipped most important part.

 

according to islam they see everything as god's. so why doesnt they respect animals as part of god's ?

 

my question is : do muhammed eat non-veg or not ? i dont think he was a vegetarian. muhammed ate non-veg.

 

muslims cant live without eating meat. so how can islam be taken as true religion if it doesnt respect innocent animals ?

 

"true" hindus dont eat meat.

 

so answer my above questions.dont divert by speaking other topics.

 

i dont think only human only has right to live. animals too equal right. but i cant see such thing in ur holy (??) quran.

 

/images/graemlins/smile.gif Om Namah Shivaya

/images/graemlins/smile.gif Om Namo Venkatesaya

[Guest guest]

I feel sorry for all you are!

 

I have answered each and everything.

 

Some one stole it from here!

 

Better ask This SITE'S ADMINIS-TRAITOR!

 

He should be knowing where it is.

 

 

"There maybe someone who sees the words and yet indeed does not see them; may be another one who hears these words but indeed does not hear them."

[Rigveda 10:71:4]

 

Truth is Clear, And falsehood is bound to perish.

 

[gokulkr 1]

anyway you can answer again .

 

is muhammed vegetarian ?

 

is vegeterianism supported by quaran ? if suported why dont u people follow it .

 

Why cant u people answer it again. of course you know that ur religion doesnt respect animals. thats why you are not answering again.

 

i feel pity for you as you have chosen a asuric path.