URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

November 12, 2006

Hi there. I am new here and I hope to post an introduction soon, but in the meantime I wanted to pass this along to you. This bill, which is aimed solely at those who protest animal abuse, labeling them terrorists and giving jail time even if they are only using their right to free speech and not harming anybody's property or causing economic damage. It is up for a vote without discussion at the House of Representatives on Monday's calendar, so call or write your representative now! Instructions for finding out who your representative is are in this post.

Thanks. Sharon

Please forward immediately & widely -- (online version)

BREAKING NEWS Action Alert -- House Vote on AETA this Monday! This is your ONLY chance to defeat the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR 4239, S3880)!

In a late night move on Friday, AETA was added to the House Suspension Calendar for THIS Monday! This underhanded fast-track maneuver, like the one in the Senate, means that AETA will not have any debate... only an up/down vote.

Contact your Representative this weekend and Monday morning! Identify your House Rep: name, fax, e-mail, and phone number at http://www.house.govThen, use our sample letter and/or the talking points below to...

Be a triple hitter for the animals:

1. Call direct or use the switchboard 202-225-3121

2. Fax

3. E-mail

Remember, all contact info is at www.house.gov.

Talking Points!

"As your constituent, I strongly urge you to: (1) vote NO on the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR4239, S 3880), which is currently on the suspension calendar for 11/13 to be voted on Monday after 6:30pm, and (2) to contact Rep. Sensenbrenner to remove the bill from the suspension calendar. The measure is much too important to pass without discussion."

The bill must be opposed for the following reasons:

AETA is opposed by more than 130 animal protection, social justice, and civil liberty organizations including: National Lawyers Guild, Humane Society of the U.S., ASPCA, Natural Resources Defense Council, and the League of Humane Voters. Click here for opposition list.

AETA deserves a hearing to afford its many opponents a voice.

AETA denies equal protection under the law and limits freedom of speech and assembly.

AETA unfairly brands as `terrorists' nonviolent animal protection advocates.

AETA unfairly brands as `terrorism' nonviolent civil disobedience and undercover investigations.

AETA invokes excessively harsh penalties for comparable offenses.

AETA is excessively broad and vague by covering innocent parties.

AETA may authorize unwarranted wiretapping of animal protection advocates.

AETA has a chilling effect on all forms of social justice and life affirming advocacy.AETA interferes with prosecution of real terrorism against the American people.

Join Us for the Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday!

Please join us in Washington, DC for an emergency Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday, November 13, starting at 10 am. Please dress conservatively. The details will be announced on NoAETA.org by Monday morning. You can also call 800-632-8688 or 202-468-4834.

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This alert is sponsored by the Equal Justice Alliance, a national coalition of social advocacy organizations preserving free speech and equal treatment under the law by defeating AETA. Details at 800-632-8688.

Thank you and please forward widely and immediately! online version

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November 12, 2006

Hi Sharon

Welcom to VEgan Chat.

Jo

-

compassion2grace

Sunday, November 12, 2006 6:03 PM

URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Hi there. I am new here and I hope to post an introduction soon, but in the meantime I wanted to pass this along to you. This bill, which is aimed solely at those who protest animal abuse, labeling them terrorists and giving jail time even if they are only using their right to free speech and not harming anybody's property or causing economic damage. It is up for a vote without discussion at the House of Representatives on Monday's calendar, so call or write your representative now! Instructions for finding out who your representative is are in this post.

Thanks. Sharon

Please forward immediately & widely -- (online version)

BREAKING NEWS Action Alert -- House Vote on AETA this Monday! This is your ONLY chance to defeat the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR 4239, S3880)!

In a late night move on Friday, AETA was added to the House Suspension Calendar for THIS Monday! This underhanded fast-track maneuver, like the one in the Senate, means that AETA will not have any debate... only an up/down vote.

Contact your Representative this weekend and Monday morning! Identify your House Rep: name, fax, e-mail, and phone number at http://www.house.govThen, use our sample letter and/or the talking points below to...

Be a triple hitter for the animals:

1. Call direct or use the switchboard 202-225-3121

2. Fax

3. E-mail

Remember, all contact info is at www.house.gov.

Talking Points!

"As your constituent, I strongly urge you to: (1) vote NO on the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR4239, S 3880), which is currently on the suspension calendar for 11/13 to be voted on Monday after 6:30pm, and (2) to contact Rep. Sensenbrenner to remove the bill from the suspension calendar. The measure is much too important to pass without discussion."

The bill must be opposed for the following reasons:

AETA is opposed by more than 130 animal protection, social justice, and civil liberty organizations including: National Lawyers Guild, Humane Society of the U.S., ASPCA, Natural Resources Defense Council, and the League of Humane Voters. Click here for opposition list. AETA deserves a hearing to afford its many opponents a voice.

AETA denies equal protection under the law and limits freedom of speech and assembly. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorists' nonviolent animal protection advocates. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorism' nonviolent civil disobedience and undercover investigations. AETA invokes excessively harsh penalties for comparable offenses.

AETA is excessively broad and vague by covering innocent parties. AETA may authorize unwarranted wiretapping of animal protection advocates. AETA has a chilling effect on all forms of social justice and life affirming advocacy.AETA interferes with prosecution of real terrorism against the American people.

Join Us for the Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday!

Please join us in Washington, DC for an emergency Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday, November 13, starting at 10 am. Please dress conservatively. The details will be announced on NoAETA.org by Monday morning. You can also call 800-632-8688 or 202-468-4834.

-----

This alert is sponsored by the Equal Justice Alliance, a national coalition of social advocacy organizations preserving free speech and equal treatment under the law by defeating AETA. Details at 800-632-8688.

Thank you and please forward widely and immediately! online version

To /change profile: click here

Our address: 10101 Ashburton LaneBethesda, Maryland 20817

November 13, 2006

Hi Sharon,

Welcome to Vegan Chat

Geraldine

(UK)

-

compassion2grace

Sunday, November 12, 2006 6:03 PM

URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Hi there. I am new here and I hope to post an introduction soon, but in the meantime I wanted to pass this along to you. This bill, which is aimed solely at those who protest animal abuse, labeling them terrorists and giving jail time even if they are only using their right to free speech and not harming anybody's property or causing economic damage. It is up for a vote without discussion at the House of Representatives on Monday's calendar, so call or write your representative now! Instructions for finding out who your representative is are in this post.

Thanks. Sharon

Please forward immediately & widely -- (online version)

BREAKING NEWS Action Alert -- House Vote on AETA this Monday! This is your ONLY chance to defeat the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR 4239, S3880)!

In a late night move on Friday, AETA was added to the House Suspension Calendar for THIS Monday! This underhanded fast-track maneuver, like the one in the Senate, means that AETA will not have any debate... only an up/down vote.

Contact your Representative this weekend and Monday morning! Identify your House Rep: name, fax, e-mail, and phone number at http://www.house.govThen, use our sample letter and/or the talking points below to...

Be a triple hitter for the animals:

1. Call direct or use the switchboard 202-225-3121

2. Fax

3. E-mail

Remember, all contact info is at www.house.gov.

Talking Points!

"As your constituent, I strongly urge you to: (1) vote NO on the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR4239, S 3880), which is currently on the suspension calendar for 11/13 to be voted on Monday after 6:30pm, and (2) to contact Rep. Sensenbrenner to remove the bill from the suspension calendar. The measure is much too important to pass without discussion."

The bill must be opposed for the following reasons:

AETA is opposed by more than 130 animal protection, social justice, and civil liberty organizations including: National Lawyers Guild, Humane Society of the U.S., ASPCA, Natural Resources Defense Council, and the League of Humane Voters. Click here for opposition list. AETA deserves a hearing to afford its many opponents a voice.

AETA denies equal protection under the law and limits freedom of speech and assembly. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorists' nonviolent animal protection advocates. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorism' nonviolent civil disobedience and undercover investigations. AETA invokes excessively harsh penalties for comparable offenses.

AETA is excessively broad and vague by covering innocent parties. AETA may authorize unwarranted wiretapping of animal protection advocates. AETA has a chilling effect on all forms of social justice and life affirming advocacy.AETA interferes with prosecution of real terrorism against the American people.

Join Us for the Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday!

Please join us in Washington, DC for an emergency Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday, November 13, starting at 10 am. Please dress conservatively. The details will be announced on NoAETA.org by Monday morning. You can also call 800-632-8688 or 202-468-4834.

-----

This alert is sponsored by the Equal Justice Alliance, a national coalition of social advocacy organizations preserving free speech and equal treatment under the law by defeating AETA. Details at 800-632-8688.

Thank you and please forward widely and immediately! online version

To /change profile: click here

Our address: 10101 Ashburton LaneBethesda, Maryland 20817

November 13, 2006

AFAIK it passed today.................

*sigh*

compassion2grace Nov 12, 2006 10:03 AM URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Hi there. I am new here and I hope to post an introduction soon, but in the meantime I wanted to pass this along to you. This bill, which is aimed solely at those who protest animal abuse, labeling them terrorists and giving jail time even if they are only using their right to free speech and not harming anybody's property or causing economic damage. It is up for a vote without discussion at the House of Representatives on Monday's calendar, so call or write your representative now! Instructions for finding out who your representative is are in this post.

Thanks. Sharon

Please forward immediately & widely -- (online version)

BREAKING NEWS Action Alert -- House Vote on AETA this Monday! This is your ONLY chance to defeat the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR 4239, S3880)!

In a late night move on Friday, AETA was added to the House Suspension Calendar for THIS Monday! This underhanded fast-track maneuver, like the one in the Senate, means that AETA will not have any debate... only an up/down vote.

Contact your Representative this weekend and Monday morning! Identify your House Rep: name, fax, e-mail, and phone number at http://www.house.govThen, use our sample letter and/or the talking points below to...

Be a triple hitter for the animals:

1. Call direct or use the switchboard 202-225-3121

2. Fax

3. E-mail

Remember, all contact info is at www.house.gov.

Talking Points!

"As your constituent, I strongly urge you to: (1) vote NO on the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR4239, S 3880), which is currently on the suspension calendar for 11/13 to be voted on Monday after 6:30pm, and (2) to contact Rep. Sensenbrenner to remove the bill from the suspension calendar. The measure is much too important to pass without discussion."

The bill must be opposed for the following reasons:

AETA is opposed by more than 130 animal protection, social justice, and civil liberty organizations including: National Lawyers Guild, Humane Society of the U.S., ASPCA, Natural Resources Defense Council, and the League of Humane Voters. Click here for opposition list. AETA deserves a hearing to afford its many opponents a voice.

AETA denies equal protection under the law and limits freedom of speech and assembly. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorists' nonviolent animal protection advocates. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorism' nonviolent civil disobedience and undercover investigations. AETA invokes excessively harsh penalties for comparable offenses.

AETA is excessively broad and vague by covering innocent parties. AETA may authorize unwarranted wiretapping of animal protection advocates. AETA has a chilling effect on all forms of social justice and life affirming advocacy.AETA interferes with prosecution of real terrorism against the American people.

Join Us for the Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday!

Please join us in Washington, DC for an emergency Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday, November 13, starting at 10 am. Please dress conservatively. The details will be announced on NoAETA.org by Monday morning. You can also call 800-632-8688 or 202-468-4834.

-----

This alert is sponsored by the Equal Justice Alliance, a national coalition of social advocacy organizations preserving free speech and equal treatment under the law by defeating AETA. Details at 800-632-8688.

Thank you and please forward widely and immediately! online version

To /change profile: click here

Our address: 10101 Ashburton LaneBethesda, Maryland 20817

History repeats itself

and each time the price gets higher

November 14, 2006

Thanks, Geraldine and Jo. Let me introduce myself. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. I have kids who are young adults, which makes me an older adult. I work at a pretty large high school and love teenagers. I was a vegetarian years back, then stopped, and went back to it when some of the teens directed me to "meet your meat" on the PETA website. There is a pretty large group of committed vegetarians among the kids, including my 13-year old, but they all seemed to be in agreement that being a vegan was just too hard ... you know, when they go to all those fast food restaurants there are options available for vegetarians, but when you go vegan it is a bit harder ... not to mention their beloved

pizza. And I also thought veganism would be too difficult.

But a month or so ago I came to the sudden realization that all those extra dairy products we vegetarians were consuming were in effect sentencing even more animals to lives of nothing but misery and suffering. So I took the plunge, and you know I discovered it isn't really hard at all! Of course, I don't hang out at fast food joints, and I do buy my own groceries. Most of the kids have parents who are meat-eaters. But I've been passing the message on to the kids, and giving them suggestions about good and easy vegan food. You know, that grilled non-cheese sandwich surpasses any grilled cheese sandwich I've ever had. I also have a "myspace" so I try to pass some information along to the kids there. My own vegetarian daughter has resisted veganism, but lately she has decided she must be lactose intolerant because every time she eats dairy products they

give her a tummy ache.

Now let me ask you a question regarding dairy products. I have a 15-year old, 18-year old and 21-year old who will not give up milk. So I have the option of saying I won't buy it, and they go to the local store and buy the local store brand of milk. Or when I drive fifteen miles to the nearest Whole Foods Market, I can buy Clover Stornetta milk, which makes it sound as though their cows are lounging around in grassy green pastures. I'm smart enough to know that I can't necessarily believe everything I am told, but is there a more compassionate brand of milk for my family, and for an ethics question ... would you tell your kids you aren't going to buy them milk and let them get what they will (they are old enough to drive and buy), or would you buy a different brand yourself???

And finally, regarding AETA ... I really just can't believe such a thing can happen in this country. I recall reading one of the congressmen remarked that it might violate some civil rights, and another congressman commented that the ACLU hadn't said anything about it so it must be okay. I suspect that the ACLU thinks only some people have civil rights, and I guess animal lovers aren't in that group. But exactly how far can our rights be taken away. Did the SHAC 7 really go to prison solely for running a website? And in the recent searches of animal activists' homes in Los Angeles recently, what were they looking for?

Anyway, pleased to meet you all.

Sharon

Geraldine McCarthy <geraldine.mccarthy Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 3:21:29 AMRe: URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Hi Sharon,

Welcome to Vegan Chat

Geraldine

(UK)

-

compassion2grace

@gro ups.com

Sunday, November 12, 2006 6:03 PM

URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Hi there. I am new here and I hope to post an introduction soon, but in the meantime I wanted to pass this along to you. This bill, which is aimed solely at those who protest animal abuse, labeling them terrorists and giving jail time even if they are only using their right to free speech and not harming anybody's property or causing economic damage. It is up for a vote without discussion at the House of Representatives on Monday's calendar, so call or write your representative now! Instructions for finding out who your representative is are in this post.

Thanks. Sharon

Please forward immediately & widely -- (online version)

BREAKING NEWS Action Alert -- House Vote on AETA this Monday! This is your ONLY chance to defeat the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR 4239, S3880)!

In a late night move on Friday, AETA was added to the House Suspension Calendar for THIS Monday! This underhanded fast-track maneuver, like the one in the Senate, means that AETA will not have any debate... only an up/down vote.

Contact your Representative this weekend and Monday morning! Identify your House Rep: name, fax, e-mail, and phone number at http://www.house. govThen, use our sample letter and/or the talking points below to...

Be a triple hitter for the animals:

1. Call direct or use the switchboard 202-225-3121

2. Fax

3. E-mail

Remember, all contact info is at www.house.gov.

Talking Points!

"As your constituent, I strongly urge you to: (1) vote NO on the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR4239, S 3880), which is currently on the suspension calendar for 11/13 to be voted on Monday after 6:30pm, and (2) to contact Rep. Sensenbrenner to remove the bill from the suspension calendar. The measure is much too important to pass without discussion."

The bill must be opposed for the following reasons:

AETA is opposed by more than 130 animal protection, social justice, and civil liberty organizations including: National Lawyers Guild, Humane Society of the U.S., ASPCA, Natural Resources Defense Council, and the League of Humane Voters. Click here for opposition list. AETA deserves a hearing to afford its many opponents a voice.

AETA denies equal protection under the law and limits freedom of speech and assembly. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorists' nonviolent animal protection advocates. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorism' nonviolent civil disobedience and undercover investigations. AETA invokes excessively harsh penalties for comparable offenses.

AETA is excessively broad and vague by covering innocent parties. AETA may authorize unwarranted wiretapping of animal protection advocates. AETA has a chilling effect on all forms of social justice and life affirming advocacy.AETA interferes with prosecution of real terrorism against the American people.

Join Us for the Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday!

Please join us in Washington, DC for an emergency Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday, November 13, starting at 10 am. Please dress conservatively. The details will be announced on NoAETA.org by Monday morning. You can also call 800-632-8688 or 202-468-4834.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----

This alert is sponsored by the Equal Justice Alliance, a national coalition of social advocacy organizations preserving free speech and equal treatment under the law by defeating AETA. Details at 800-632-8688.

Thank you and please forward widely and immediately! online version

To / change profile: click here

Our address: 10101 Ashburton LaneBethesda, Maryland 20817

November 14, 2006

Hi Sharon

>Now let me ask you a question regarding dairy products. I have a 15-year old, 18-year old and 21-year old who will not give

> up milk. So I have the option of saying I won't buy it, and they go to the local store and buy the local store brand of milk.

> Or when I drive fifteen miles to the nearest Whole Foods Market, I can buy Clover Stornetta milk, which makes it sound as

> though their cows are lounging around in grassy green pastures. I'm smart enough to know that I can't necessarily believe

> everything I am told, but is there a more compassionate brand of milk for my family, and for an ethics question ... would

> you tell your kids you aren't going to buy them milk and let them get what they will (they are old enough to drive and buy),

>or would you buy a different brand yourself???

Well, I'd say at those ages they're old enough to make their own decisions... if you don't want to spend your money on milk for ethical reasons that's your choice - if they decide they do want to spend their money on it, that's their choice. About the " kindest " milk you can get - if you can find a Hare Krishna temple somewhere near by, they sometimes keep cows and sell small amounts of milk. It's still not ideal, but it is considerably better than the factory farming....

>And finally, regarding AETA ... I really just can't believe such a thing can happen in this country.

I would suggest seeking assylum in the UK, but we're probably only going to be a few months behind. Think it won't be long before we all have to claim Assylum in Africa...

BB

Peter

November 14, 2006

Hi Sharon

I think you are doing well to have so many vegetarians in your family, and to go vegan yourself.

Personally, I would buy the milk for my family if they wanted it. I'm not saying that is right - just what I would do. Have they tried soya or rice milk though. That is what we have. I do buy milk for my daughter when she visits.

Jo

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Sharon Murch

Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:56 PM

Re: URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Thanks, Geraldine and Jo. Let me introduce myself. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. I have kids who are young adults, which makes me an older adult. I work at a pretty large high school and love teenagers. I was a vegetarian years back, then stopped, and went back to it when some of the teens directed me to "meet your meat" on the PETA website. There is a pretty large group of committed vegetarians among the kids, including my 13-year old, but they all seemed to be in agreement that being a vegan was just too hard ... you know, when they go to all those fast food restaurants there are options available for vegetarians, but when you go vegan it is a bit harder ... not to mention their beloved pizza. And I also thought veganism would be too difficult.

But a month or so ago I came to the sudden realization that all those extra dairy products we vegetarians were consuming were in effect sentencing even more animals to lives of nothing but misery and suffering. So I took the plunge, and you know I discovered it isn't really hard at all! Of course, I don't hang out at fast food joints, and I do buy my own groceries. Most of the kids have parents who are meat-eaters. But I've been passing the message on to the kids, and giving them suggestions about good and easy vegan food. You know, that grilled non-cheese sandwich surpasses any grilled cheese sandwich I've ever had. I also have a "myspace" so I try to pass some information along to the kids there. My own vegetarian daughter has resisted veganism, but lately she has decided she must be lactose intolerant because every time she eats dairy products they give her a tummy ache.

Now let me ask you a question regarding dairy products. I have a 15-year old, 18-year old and 21-year old who will not give up milk. So I have the option of saying I won't buy it, and they go to the local store and buy the local store brand of milk. Or when I drive fifteen miles to the nearest Whole Foods Market, I can buy Clover Stornetta milk, which makes it sound as though their cows are lounging around in grassy green pastures. I'm smart enough to know that I can't necessarily believe everything I am told, but is there a more compassionate brand of milk for my family, and for an ethics question ... would you tell your kids you aren't going to buy them milk and let them get what they will (they are old enough to drive and buy), or would you buy a different brand yourself???

And finally, regarding AETA ... I really just can't believe such a thing can happen in this country. I recall reading one of the congressmen remarked that it might violate some civil rights, and another congressman commented that the ACLU hadn't said anything about it so it must be okay. I suspect that the ACLU thinks only some people have civil rights, and I guess animal lovers aren't in that group. But exactly how far can our rights be taken away. Did the SHAC 7 really go to prison solely for running a website? And in the recent searches of animal activists' homes in Los Angeles recently, what were they looking for?

Anyway, pleased to meet you all.

Sharon

Geraldine McCarthy <geraldine.mccarthy Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 3:21:29 AMRe: URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Hi Sharon,

Welcome to Vegan Chat

Geraldine

(UK)

-

compassion2grace

@gro ups.com

Sunday, November 12, 2006 6:03 PM

URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Hi there. I am new here and I hope to post an introduction soon, but in the meantime I wanted to pass this along to you. This bill, which is aimed solely at those who protest animal abuse, labeling them terrorists and giving jail time even if they are only using their right to free speech and not harming anybody's property or causing economic damage. It is up for a vote without discussion at the House of Representatives on Monday's calendar, so call or write your representative now! Instructions for finding out who your representative is are in this post.

Thanks. Sharon

Please forward immediately & widely -- (online version)

BREAKING NEWS Action Alert -- House Vote on AETA this Monday! This is your ONLY chance to defeat the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR 4239, S3880)!

In a late night move on Friday, AETA was added to the House Suspension Calendar for THIS Monday! This underhanded fast-track maneuver, like the one in the Senate, means that AETA will not have any debate... only an up/down vote.

Contact your Representative this weekend and Monday morning! Identify your House Rep: name, fax, e-mail, and phone number at http://www.house. govThen, use our sample letter and/or the talking points below to...

Be a triple hitter for the animals:

1. Call direct or use the switchboard 202-225-3121

2. Fax

3. E-mail

Remember, all contact info is at www.house.gov.

Talking Points!

"As your constituent, I strongly urge you to: (1) vote NO on the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR4239, S 3880), which is currently on the suspension calendar for 11/13 to be voted on Monday after 6:30pm, and (2) to contact Rep. Sensenbrenner to remove the bill from the suspension calendar. The measure is much too important to pass without discussion."

The bill must be opposed for the following reasons:

AETA is opposed by more than 130 animal protection, social justice, and civil liberty organizations including: National Lawyers Guild, Humane Society of the U.S., ASPCA, Natural Resources Defense Council, and the League of Humane Voters. Click here for opposition list. AETA deserves a hearing to afford its many opponents a voice.

AETA denies equal protection under the law and limits freedom of speech and assembly. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorists' nonviolent animal protection advocates. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorism' nonviolent civil disobedience and undercover investigations. AETA invokes excessively harsh penalties for comparable offenses.

AETA is excessively broad and vague by covering innocent parties. AETA may authorize unwarranted wiretapping of animal protection advocates. AETA has a chilling effect on all forms of social justice and life affirming advocacy.AETA interferes with prosecution of real terrorism against the American people.

Join Us for the Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday!

Please join us in Washington, DC for an emergency Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday, November 13, starting at 10 am. Please dress conservatively. The details will be announced on NoAETA.org by Monday morning. You can also call 800-632-8688 or 202-468-4834.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----

This alert is sponsored by the Equal Justice Alliance, a national coalition of social advocacy organizations preserving free speech and equal treatment under the law by defeating AETA. Details at 800-632-8688.

Thank you and please forward widely and immediately! online version

To / change profile: click here

Our address: 10101 Ashburton LaneBethesda, Maryland 20817

November 14, 2006

Hi Sharon, I wouldnt condone forcing your lifestyle choices on your children by stopping them having dairy, it has to be their choice, as they are old enough to make rational choices. Have you explained about the sad practice of milk production in detail? so they will know that they are contributing to the suffering ( the forced impregnation and the resulting shortening of lifespan, the taking away of the calves after a few days/week the veal trade..... ) I agree that some of these advertising gimmicks are a bit daft, there is nothing natural about humans drinking another animals milk, no is it easily digested. When I gave up milk years ago my colds became a lot less productive. In the UK we have organic milk, but that doesnt make it any more cow friendly, or mean they are free range cows producing it, they still suffer to produce this unatural human food. Maybe you could get them to try soya /oat/rice milks to see if

they could switch?. Soya milks have improved loads over the last 10 years. Maybe ask them to respect your wishes/beliefs and abstain from non vegan products while you are around? Whatever you do, good luck with it. The Valley Vegan................Sharon Murch <compassion2grace wrote: Thanks, Geraldine and Jo. Let me introduce myself. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. I have kids who are young adults, which makes me an older adult. I work at a pretty large high school and love teenagers. I was a vegetarian years back, then stopped, and went back to it when some of the teens directed me to "meet your meat" on the PETA website. There is a pretty large group of committed vegetarians among the kids, including my 13-year old, but they all seemed to be in agreement that being a vegan was just too hard ... you know, when they go to all those fast food restaurants there are options available for vegetarians, but when you go vegan it is a bit harder ... not to mention their beloved pizza. And I also thought veganism would be too difficult. But a month or so ago I came to the sudden realization that all those extra dairy products we vegetarians were consuming were in effect sentencing even more animals to lives of nothing but misery and suffering. So I took the plunge, and you know I discovered it isn't really hard at all! Of course, I don't hang out at fast food joints, and I do buy my own groceries. Most of the kids have parents who are meat-eaters. But I've been passing the message on to the kids, and giving them suggestions about good and easy vegan food. You know, that grilled non-cheese sandwich surpasses any grilled cheese sandwich I've ever had. I also have a "myspace" so I try to pass some information along to the kids there. My own vegetarian daughter has resisted veganism, but lately she has decided she must be lactose intolerant because every time she eats dairy products they give her a tummy ache. Now let me ask you a question regarding dairy products. I have a 15-year old, 18-year old and 21-year old who will not give up milk. So I have the option of saying I won't buy it, and they go to the local store and buy the local store brand of milk. Or when I drive fifteen miles to the nearest Whole Foods Market, I can buy Clover Stornetta milk, which makes it sound as though their cows are lounging around in grassy green pastures. I'm smart enough to know that I can't necessarily believe everything I am told, but is there a more compassionate brand of milk for my family, and for an ethics question ... would you tell your kids you aren't going to buy them milk and let them get what they will (they are old enough to drive and buy), or would you buy a different brand yourself??? And finally, regarding AETA ... I really just can't believe such a thing can happen in this country. I recall reading one of the congressmen remarked that it might violate some civil rights, and another congressman commented that the ACLU hadn't said anything about it so it must be okay. I suspect that the ACLU thinks only some people have civil rights, and I guess animal lovers aren't in that group. But exactly how far can our rights be taken away. Did the SHAC 7 really go to prison solely for running a website? And in the recent searches of animal activists' homes in Los Angeles recently, what were they looking for? Anyway, pleased to meet you all. Sharon Geraldine McCarthy <geraldine.mccarthy (AT) tesco (DOT) net> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 3:21:29 AMRe: URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday Hi Sharon, Welcome to Vegan Chat Geraldine (UK) - compassion2grace @gro ups.com Sunday, November 12, 2006 6:03 PM URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday Hi there. I am new here and I hope to post an introduction soon, but in the meantime I wanted to pass this along to you. This bill, which is aimed solely at those who protest animal abuse, labeling them terrorists and giving jail time even if they are only using their right to free speech and not harming anybody's property or causing economic damage. It is up for a vote without discussion at the House of Representatives on Monday's calendar, so call or write your representative now! Instructions for finding out who your representative is are in this post. Thanks. Sharon Please forward immediately & widely -- (online version) BREAKING NEWS Action Alert -- House Vote on AETA this Monday! This is your ONLY chance to defeat the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR 4239, S3880)! In a late night move on Friday, AETA was added to the House Suspension Calendar for THIS Monday!

This underhanded fast-track maneuver, like the one in the Senate, means that AETA will not have any debate... only an up/down vote. Contact your Representative this weekend and Monday morning! Identify your House Rep: name, fax, e-mail, and phone number at http://www.house. govThen, use our sample letter and/or the talking points below to... Be a triple hitter for the animals: 1. Call direct or use the switchboard 202-225-3121 2. Fax 3. E-mail Remember, all contact info is at www.house.gov. Talking

Points! "As your constituent, I strongly urge you to: (1) vote NO on the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR4239, S 3880), which is currently on the suspension calendar for 11/13 to be voted on Monday after 6:30pm, and (2) to contact Rep. Sensenbrenner to remove the bill from the suspension calendar. The measure is much too important to pass without discussion." The bill must be opposed for the following reasons: AETA is opposed by more than 130 animal protection, social justice, and civil liberty organizations including: National Lawyers Guild, Humane Society of the U.S., ASPCA, Natural Resources Defense Council, and the League of Humane Voters. Click here for opposition list. AETA deserves a hearing to afford its many opponents a voice. AETA denies equal protection under the law and limits freedom of speech and assembly. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorists' nonviolent animal protection advocates. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorism' nonviolent civil disobedience and undercover investigations. AETA invokes excessively harsh penalties for comparable offenses. AETA is excessively broad and vague by covering innocent parties. AETA may authorize unwarranted wiretapping of animal protection advocates. AETA has a chilling effect on all forms of social justice and life affirming advocacy.AETA interferes with prosecution of real terrorism against the American people. Join Us for the Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday! Please join us in Washington, DC for an emergency Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday, November 13, starting at 10 am. Please dress conservatively. The details will be announced on NoAETA.org by Monday morning. You can also call 800-632-8688 or 202-468-4834.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ----- This alert is sponsored by the Equal Justice Alliance, a national coalition of social advocacy organizations preserving free speech and equal treatment under the law by defeating AETA. Details at 800-632-8688. Thank you and please forward widely and immediately!

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welcome sharon

personally, that thought of buying milk fer someone else is tantamount to allowing someone to shoot puppies in the face in yer haus

thats me of course

everyone is different

i take it they don't like any of the soy, rice, or nut milks out there?

why do they drink milk?

would they care that since they are drinking cow milk, a calf somewhere is on its way to a spacious crate where it can happily stand for weeks tethered in place? yum veal!

don't know yer children, so really don't know how they would react...

if they want to purchase cow pus..their choice..i would give em reasons why not to,..but..their lives

(sadly...its the lives of the cows as well..but i digress)

but..fer you buying it...nah

fraggle

Sharon Murch Nov 14, 2006 9:56 AM Re: URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Now let me ask you a question regarding dairy products. I have a 15-year old, 18-year old and 21-year old who will not give up milk. So I have the option of saying I won't buy it, and they go to the local store and buy the local store brand of milk. Or when I drive fifteen miles to the nearest Whole Foods Market, I can buy Clover Stornetta milk, which makes it sound as though their cows are lounging around in grassy green pastures. I'm smart enough to know that I can't necessarily believe everything I am told, but is there a more compassionate brand of milk for my family, and for an ethics question ... would you tell your kids you aren't going to buy them milk and let them get what they will (they are old enough to drive and buy), or would you buy a different brand yourself???

History repeats itself

and each time the price gets higher

November 15, 2006

Fraggle, I am absolutely astounded at how thoughtless and hard-hearted even my own children can be. Even my 18-year old son, who is a generally kind and loving person, who sat and watched "Earthlings" with me the other day, went out this morning and had a meat-laden omelet. I do rather believe this one will come along eventually. With me, it's kind of like the light was always there but I had on these dark glasses, and I think he will take his glasses off one day. But even my daughter who has been staunchly vegetarian for over a year resists going vegan.

Why? You tell me. I don't get it.

Sharon

fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:00:05 AMRe: URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

welcome sharon

personally, that thought of buying milk fer someone else is tantamount to allowing someone to shoot puppies in the face in yer haus

thats me of course

everyone is different

i take it they don't like any of the soy, rice, or nut milks out there?

why do they drink milk?

would they care that since they are drinking cow milk, a calf somewhere is on its way to a spacious crate where it can happily stand for weeks tethered in place? yum veal!

don't know yer children, so really don't know how they would react...

if they want to purchase cow pus..their choice..i would give em reasons why not to,..but..their lives

(sadly...its the lives of the cows as well..but i digress)

but..fer you buying it...nah

fraggle

Sharon Murch Nov 14, 2006 9:56 AM @gro ups.com Re: URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Now let me ask you a question regarding dairy products. I have a 15-year old, 18-year old and 21-year old who will not give up milk. So I have the option of saying I won't buy it, and they go to the local store and buy the local store brand of milk. Or when I drive fifteen miles to the nearest Whole Foods Market, I can buy Clover Stornetta milk, which makes it sound as though their cows are lounging around in grassy green pastures. I'm smart enough to know that I can't necessarily believe everything I am told, but is there a more compassionate brand of milk for my family, and for an ethics question ... would you tell your kids you aren't going to buy them milk and let them get what they will (they are old enough to drive and buy), or would you buy a different brand yourself???

History repeats itself

and each time the price gets higher

November 15, 2006

We've had soymilk in the house forever. Some like it, not not. When my son was a preschooler, he preferred to drink soymilk, and one day he told me it was because it was brown instead of white, and he thought it would make him turn brown like his best friend.

They like the milk on cereal. Maybe I should stop buying cereal! ;-)

Nice to hear from all you in the UK. I was born in England and spent my early years there. My mother is from there, and the only family I have besides my children is there.

Sharon

peter VV <swpgh01 Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:41:17 AMRe: URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Hi Sharon,

I wouldnt condone forcing your lifestyle choices on your children by stopping them having dairy, it has to be their choice, as they are old enough to make rational choices. Have you explained about the sad practice of milk production in detail? so they will know that they are contributing to the suffering ( the forced impregnation and the resulting shortening of lifespan, the taking away of the calves after a few days/week the veal trade..... )

I agree that some of these advertising gimmicks are a bit daft, there is nothing natural about humans drinking another animals milk, no is it easily digested. When I gave up milk years ago my colds became a lot less productive.

In the UK we have organic milk, but that doesnt make it any more cow friendly, or mean they are free range cows producing it, they still suffer to produce this unatural human food.

Maybe you could get them to try soya /oat/rice milks to see if they could switch?. Soya milks have improved loads over the last 10 years.

Maybe ask them to respect your wishes/beliefs and abstain from non vegan products while you are around?

Whatever you do, good luck with it.

The Valley Vegan....... .........Sharon Murch <compassion2grace@ > wrote:

Thanks, Geraldine and Jo. Let me introduce myself. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. I have kids who are young adults, which makes me an older adult. I work at a pretty large high school and love teenagers. I was a vegetarian years back, then stopped, and went back to it when some of the teens directed me to "meet your meat" on the PETA website. There is a pretty large group of committed vegetarians among the kids, including my 13-year old, but they all seemed to be in agreement that being a vegan was just too hard ... you know, when they go to all those fast food restaurants there are options available for vegetarians, but when you go vegan it is a bit harder ... not to mention their beloved pizza. And I also thought veganism would be too difficult.

But a month or so ago I came to the sudden realization that all those extra dairy products we vegetarians were consuming were in effect sentencing even more animals to lives of nothing but misery and suffering. So I took the plunge, and you know I discovered it isn't really hard at all! Of course, I don't hang out at fast food joints, and I do buy my own groceries. Most of the kids have parents who are meat-eaters. But I've been passing the message on to the kids, and giving them suggestions about good and easy vegan food. You know, that grilled non-cheese sandwich surpasses any grilled cheese sandwich I've ever had. I also have a "myspace" so I try to pass some information along to the kids there. My own vegetarian daughter has resisted veganism, but lately she has decided she must be lactose intolerant because every time she eats dairy products they

give her a tummy ache.

Now let me ask you a question regarding dairy products. I have a 15-year old, 18-year old and 21-year old who will not give up milk. So I have the option of saying I won't buy it, and they go to the local store and buy the local store brand of milk. Or when I drive fifteen miles to the nearest Whole Foods Market, I can buy Clover Stornetta milk, which makes it sound as though their cows are lounging around in grassy green pastures. I'm smart enough to know that I can't necessarily believe everything I am told, but is there a more compassionate brand of milk for my family, and for an ethics question ... would you tell your kids you aren't going to buy them milk and let them get what they will (they are old enough to drive and buy), or would you buy a different brand yourself???

And finally, regarding AETA ... I really just can't believe such a thing can happen in this country. I recall reading one of the congressmen remarked that it might violate some civil rights, and another congressman commented that the ACLU hadn't said anything about it so it must be okay. I suspect that the ACLU thinks only some people have civil rights, and I guess animal lovers aren't in that group. But exactly how far can our rights be taken away. Did the SHAC 7 really go to prison solely for running a website? And in the recent searches of animal activists' homes in Los Angeles recently, what were they looking for?

Anyway, pleased to meet you all.

Sharon

Geraldine McCarthy <geraldine.mccarthy@ tesco.net>@gro ups.comMonday, November 13, 2006 3:21:29 AMRe: URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Hi Sharon,

Welcome to Vegan Chat

Geraldine

(UK)

-

compassion2grace

@gro ups.com

Sunday, November 12, 2006 6:03 PM

URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Hi there. I am new here and I hope to post an introduction soon, but in the meantime I wanted to pass this along to you. This bill, which is aimed solely at those who protest animal abuse, labeling them terrorists and giving jail time even if they are only using their right to free speech and not harming anybody's property or causing economic damage. It is up for a vote without discussion at the House of Representatives on Monday's calendar, so call or write your representative now! Instructions for finding out who your representative is are in this post.

Thanks. Sharon

Please forward immediately & widely -- (online version)

BREAKING NEWS Action Alert -- House Vote on AETA this Monday! This is your ONLY chance to defeat the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR 4239, S3880)!

In a late night move on Friday, AETA was added to the House Suspension Calendar for THIS Monday! This underhanded fast-track maneuver, like the one in the Senate, means that AETA will not have any debate... only an up/down vote.

Contact your Representative this weekend and Monday morning! Identify your House Rep: name, fax, e-mail, and phone number at http://www.house. govThen, use our sample letter and/or the talking points below to...

Be a triple hitter for the animals:

1. Call direct or use the switchboard 202-225-3121

2. Fax

3. E-mail

Remember, all contact info is at www.house.gov.

Talking Points!

"As your constituent, I strongly urge you to: (1) vote NO on the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR4239, S 3880), which is currently on the suspension calendar for 11/13 to be voted on Monday after 6:30pm, and (2) to contact Rep. Sensenbrenner to remove the bill from the suspension calendar. The measure is much too important to pass without discussion."

The bill must be opposed for the following reasons:

AETA is opposed by more than 130 animal protection, social justice, and civil liberty organizations including: National Lawyers Guild, Humane Society of the U.S., ASPCA, Natural Resources Defense Council, and the League of Humane Voters. Click here for opposition list. AETA deserves a hearing to afford its many opponents a voice.

AETA denies equal protection under the law and limits freedom of speech and assembly. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorists' nonviolent animal protection advocates. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorism' nonviolent civil disobedience and undercover investigations. AETA invokes excessively harsh penalties for comparable offenses.

AETA is excessively broad and vague by covering innocent parties. AETA may authorize unwarranted wiretapping of animal protection advocates. AETA has a chilling effect on all forms of social justice and life affirming advocacy.AETA interferes with prosecution of real terrorism against the American people.

Join Us for the Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday!

Please join us in Washington, DC for an emergency Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday, November 13, starting at 10 am. Please dress conservatively. The details will be announced on NoAETA.org by Monday morning. You can also call 800-632-8688 or 202-468-4834.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----

This alert is sponsored by the Equal Justice Alliance, a national coalition of social advocacy organizations preserving free speech and equal treatment under the law by defeating AETA. Details at 800-632-8688.

Thank you and please forward widely and immediately! online version

To / change profile: click here

Our address: 10101 Ashburton LaneBethesda, Maryland 20817

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November 15, 2006

Thanks, Jo. My main thought was that perhaps the milk I drive fifteen miles to buy at Whole Foods Market might be kinder than the store brand at Safeway or Albertson's. I know it's not going to be beneficial to any animals, but is there any possibility it might be less harmful? Do all dairies always turn their baby boy cows into veal?

Sharon

jo <jo.heartwork Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 10:35:36 AMRe: URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Hi Sharon

I think you are doing well to have so many vegetarians in your family, and to go vegan yourself.

Personally, I would buy the milk for my family if they wanted it. I'm not saying that is right - just what I would do. Have they tried soya or rice milk though. That is what we have. I do buy milk for my daughter when she visits.

Jo

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Sharon Murch

@gro ups.com

Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:56 PM

Re: URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Thanks, Geraldine and Jo. Let me introduce myself. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. I have kids who are young adults, which makes me an older adult. I work at a pretty large high school and love teenagers. I was a vegetarian years back, then stopped, and went back to it when some of the teens directed me to "meet your meat" on the PETA website. There is a pretty large group of committed vegetarians among the kids, including my 13-year old, but they all seemed to be in agreement that being a vegan was just too hard ... you know, when they go to all those fast food restaurants there are options available for vegetarians, but when you go vegan it is a bit harder ... not to mention their beloved pizza. And I also thought veganism would be too difficult.

But a month or so ago I came to the sudden realization that all those extra dairy products we vegetarians were consuming were in effect sentencing even more animals to lives of nothing but misery and suffering. So I took the plunge, and you know I discovered it isn't really hard at all! Of course, I don't hang out at fast food joints, and I do buy my own groceries. Most of the kids have parents who are meat-eaters. But I've been passing the message on to the kids, and giving them suggestions about good and easy vegan food. You know, that grilled non-cheese sandwich surpasses any grilled cheese sandwich I've ever had. I also have a "myspace" so I try to pass some information along to the kids there. My own vegetarian daughter has resisted veganism, but lately she has decided she must be lactose intolerant because every time she eats dairy products they

give her a tummy ache.

Now let me ask you a question regarding dairy products. I have a 15-year old, 18-year old and 21-year old who will not give up milk. So I have the option of saying I won't buy it, and they go to the local store and buy the local store brand of milk. Or when I drive fifteen miles to the nearest Whole Foods Market, I can buy Clover Stornetta milk, which makes it sound as though their cows are lounging around in grassy green pastures. I'm smart enough to know that I can't necessarily believe everything I am told, but is there a more compassionate brand of milk for my family, and for an ethics question ... would you tell your kids you aren't going to buy them milk and let them get what they will (they are old enough to drive and buy), or would you buy a different brand yourself???

And finally, regarding AETA ... I really just can't believe such a thing can happen in this country. I recall reading one of the congressmen remarked that it might violate some civil rights, and another congressman commented that the ACLU hadn't said anything about it so it must be okay. I suspect that the ACLU thinks only some people have civil rights, and I guess animal lovers aren't in that group. But exactly how far can our rights be taken away. Did the SHAC 7 really go to prison solely for running a website? And in the recent searches of animal activists' homes in Los Angeles recently, what were they looking for?

Anyway, pleased to meet you all.

Sharon

Geraldine McCarthy <geraldine.mccarthy@ tesco.net>@gro ups.comMonday, November 13, 2006 3:21:29 AMRe: URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Hi Sharon,

Welcome to Vegan Chat

Geraldine

(UK)

-

compassion2grace

@gro ups.com

Sunday, November 12, 2006 6:03 PM

URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

Hi there. I am new here and I hope to post an introduction soon, but in the meantime I wanted to pass this along to you. This bill, which is aimed solely at those who protest animal abuse, labeling them terrorists and giving jail time even if they are only using their right to free speech and not harming anybody's property or causing economic damage. It is up for a vote without discussion at the House of Representatives on Monday's calendar, so call or write your representative now! Instructions for finding out who your representative is are in this post.

Thanks. Sharon

Please forward immediately & widely -- (online version)

BREAKING NEWS Action Alert -- House Vote on AETA this Monday! This is your ONLY chance to defeat the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR 4239, S3880)!

In a late night move on Friday, AETA was added to the House Suspension Calendar for THIS Monday! This underhanded fast-track maneuver, like the one in the Senate, means that AETA will not have any debate... only an up/down vote.

Contact your Representative this weekend and Monday morning! Identify your House Rep: name, fax, e-mail, and phone number at http://www.house. govThen, use our sample letter and/or the talking points below to...

Be a triple hitter for the animals:

1. Call direct or use the switchboard 202-225-3121

2. Fax

3. E-mail

Remember, all contact info is at www.house.gov.

Talking Points!

"As your constituent, I strongly urge you to: (1) vote NO on the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (HR4239, S 3880), which is currently on the suspension calendar for 11/13 to be voted on Monday after 6:30pm, and (2) to contact Rep. Sensenbrenner to remove the bill from the suspension calendar. The measure is much too important to pass without discussion."

The bill must be opposed for the following reasons:

AETA is opposed by more than 130 animal protection, social justice, and civil liberty organizations including: National Lawyers Guild, Humane Society of the U.S., ASPCA, Natural Resources Defense Council, and the League of Humane Voters. Click here for opposition list. AETA deserves a hearing to afford its many opponents a voice.

AETA denies equal protection under the law and limits freedom of speech and assembly. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorists' nonviolent animal protection advocates. AETA unfairly brands as `terrorism' nonviolent civil disobedience and undercover investigations. AETA invokes excessively harsh penalties for comparable offenses.

AETA is excessively broad and vague by covering innocent parties. AETA may authorize unwarranted wiretapping of animal protection advocates. AETA has a chilling effect on all forms of social justice and life affirming advocacy.AETA interferes with prosecution of real terrorism against the American people.

Join Us for the Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday!

Please join us in Washington, DC for an emergency Anti-AETA Lobby Day on Monday, November 13, starting at 10 am. Please dress conservatively. The details will be announced on NoAETA.org by Monday morning. You can also call 800-632-8688 or 202-468-4834.

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -----

This alert is sponsored by the Equal Justice Alliance, a national coalition of social advocacy organizations preserving free speech and equal treatment under the law by defeating AETA. Details at 800-632-8688.

Thank you and please forward widely and immediately! online version

To / change profile: click here

Our address: 10101 Ashburton LaneBethesda, Maryland 20817

November 15, 2006

, peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> Hi Sharon,

> I wouldnt condone forcing your lifestyle choices on your children

by stopping them having dairy, it has to be their choice, as they are

old enough to make rational choices.

You wouldn't believe how often people say that to me. FORCING.

all of the time they say that I force my veganism on my children.

why do they love using that word? to make me feel like crap?

sorry, didn't work, they lose again.

If they spend some time with me and my kids they would see that I am

not capable of forcing anything.

but I'd like to know why these same people don't look in the mirror

and point at themselves instead at pointing at me.

These are the same people that tell their children about the Easter

bunny, Santa claus and bring them to THEIR church. Only vegans force

their beliefs on their children?

When I was one years old, my family FORCED peirced ears on me.

when I was a little girl, They FORCED me to believe that If I didn't

believe in THEIR jesus, i would burn in hell.

This created nightmares to this day and I would consider it child

abuse. I was FORCED baptized into something that I really didn't

understand. No one ever asked me!

Do Muslim parents FORCE their children to believe that eating pigs is

wrong? nobody criticizes that.

Do Hindu parents FORCE their children to believe that eating cows are

sacred? nobody criticizes that.

Do Vegan parents FORCE their children to believe that eating animals

is wrong? Everybody criticizes that.

I teach my children by showing gentle compassion, by example not by

preaching about veganism.

Why is specisim the norm? Why aren't parents who feed their kids

loads of JUNK food not judged as forcing something detrimental

to their children?

I belong to a vegan parents group in my town. Not a single one is

forceful. These are gentle people who's only crime is that they chose

to not to bring animal products into their homes.

Their value system is that veganism is better for their children's

health and that modeling compasion is an important part of shaping the

human being that will run the world in the future.

It is no differten than someone chosing not to bring a gun into their

house.

-anouk

November 15, 2006

personally, that thought of buying milk fer someone else is tantamount

to allowing someone to shoot puppies in the face in yer haus

thats me of course

everyone is different

Hi fraggle,

I agree, my house is a cruelty-free zone.

My children are not teenagers and I know that teenagers rebel if they

don't get their way.

I would hope that they are still vegan as they grow older and earn

their own money. That is beyond my control and their choice.

but for now, it is my wallet, and I buy the groceries.

November 15, 2006

I accept your point of view, but disagree. My wife is the only carnie in our house, and I will not force my views on her,nor her on me, its her life as well as my kids, who if they chose to eat animals would be their choice. I dont see how my letting them make their own choices makes me a bad person, or compromises my lifestyle as a vegan. She does eat less animals since she met me , as she will eat what I cook out of convenience, so from that perspective it is making a small difference. The Valley Vegan.............flower child <zurumato wrote: personally, that thought of buying milk fer someone else is tantamountto allowing someone to shoot puppies in the face in yer hausthats me of courseeveryone is differentHi fraggle, I agree, my house is a cruelty-free zone. My children are not teenagers and I know that teenagers rebel if theydon't get their way. I would hope that they are still vegan as they grow older and earntheir own money. That is beyond my control and their choice. but for now, it is my wallet, and I buy the groceries. Peter H

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November 15, 2006

I wasnt saying anyone was forcing anyone, what I was saying was I wouldnt condone it if they did. My kids and wife make their own minds up, luckily my kids are vegie, unfortunately my wife a carnie. Their choice, all I can offer is guidance, and education where asked for . The Valley Vegan.............flower child <zurumato wrote: , peter VV <swpgh01

wrote:>> Hi Sharon,> I wouldnt condone forcing your lifestyle choices on your childrenby stopping them having dairy, it has to be their choice, as they areold enough to make rational choices.You wouldn't believe how often people say that to me. FORCING. all of the time they say that I force my veganism on my children. why do they love using that word? to make me feel like crap? sorry, didn't work, they lose again. If they spend some time with me and my kids they would see that I amnot capable of forcing anything. but I'd like to know why these same people don't look in the mirrorand point at themselves instead at pointing at me. These are the same people that tell their children about the Easterbunny, Santa claus and bring them to THEIR church. Only vegans forcetheir beliefs on their children? When I was one years old, my family FORCED peirced ears on me. when I was

a little girl, They FORCED me to believe that If I didn'tbelieve in THEIR jesus, i would burn in hell. This created nightmares to this day and I would consider it childabuse. I was FORCED baptized into something that I really didn'tunderstand. No one ever asked me!Do Muslim parents FORCE their children to believe that eating pigs iswrong? nobody criticizes that. Do Hindu parents FORCE their children to believe that eating cows aresacred? nobody criticizes that. Do Vegan parents FORCE their children to believe that eating animalsis wrong? Everybody criticizes that. I teach my children by showing gentle compassion, by example not bypreaching about veganism. Why is specisim the norm? Why aren't parents who feed their kidsloads of JUNK food not judged as forcing something detrimental to their children? I belong to a vegan parents group in my town. Not a single one isforceful. These are gentle

people who's only crime is that they choseto not to bring animal products into their homes. Their value system is that veganism is better for their children'shealth and that modeling compasion is an important part of shaping thehuman being that will run the world in the future. It is no differten than someone chosing not to bring a gun into theirhouse. -anouk Peter H

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November 15, 2006

Hi Anouk

Well said - all good points. Unfortunately specism will exist at least as

long as racism does :-(

Jo

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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:25 AM

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> , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

> >

> > Hi Sharon,

> > I wouldnt condone forcing your lifestyle choices on your children

> by stopping them having dairy, it has to be their choice, as they are

> old enough to make rational choices.

>

> You wouldn't believe how often people say that to me. FORCING.

>

> all of the time they say that I force my veganism on my children.

>

> why do they love using that word? to make me feel like crap?

> sorry, didn't work, they lose again.

>

> If they spend some time with me and my kids they would see that I am

> not capable of forcing anything.

>

> but I'd like to know why these same people don't look in the mirror

> and point at themselves instead at pointing at me.

>

> These are the same people that tell their children about the Easter

> bunny, Santa claus and bring them to THEIR church. Only vegans force

> their beliefs on their children?

>

> When I was one years old, my family FORCED peirced ears on me.

> when I was a little girl, They FORCED me to believe that If I didn't

> believe in THEIR jesus, i would burn in hell.

> This created nightmares to this day and I would consider it child

> abuse. I was FORCED baptized into something that I really didn't

> understand. No one ever asked me!

>

> Do Muslim parents FORCE their children to believe that eating pigs is

> wrong? nobody criticizes that.

> Do Hindu parents FORCE their children to believe that eating cows are

> sacred? nobody criticizes that.

> Do Vegan parents FORCE their children to believe that eating animals

> is wrong? Everybody criticizes that.

>

> I teach my children by showing gentle compassion, by example not by

> preaching about veganism.

>

> Why is specisim the norm? Why aren't parents who feed their kids

> loads of JUNK food not judged as forcing something detrimental

> to their children?

>

> I belong to a vegan parents group in my town. Not a single one is

> forceful. These are gentle people who's only crime is that they chose

> to not to bring animal products into their homes.

> Their value system is that veganism is better for their children's

> health and that modeling compasion is an important part of shaping the

> human being that will run the world in the future.

>

> It is no differten than someone chosing not to bring a gun into their

> house.

>

> -anouk

>

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November 15, 2006

Hi Anouk / Fraggle

I partly agree with your point of view, but I think this person has turned

vegan recently. It is her choice and probably you cannot expect the rest of

her grown up family to agree. To reverse the situation, if you were 20 and

living at home and your parents, who had been vegan, decided to buy and eat

meat, you might not like it either.

Jo

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Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:39 AM

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> personally, that thought of buying milk fer someone else is tantamount

> to allowing someone to shoot puppies in the face in yer haus

> thats me of course

> everyone is different

>

> Hi fraggle,

>

> I agree, my house is a cruelty-free zone.

> My children are not teenagers and I know that teenagers rebel if they

> don't get their way.

>

> I would hope that they are still vegan as they grow older and earn

> their own money. That is beyond my control and their choice.

> but for now, it is my wallet, and I buy the groceries.

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>

November 15, 2006

Hi Peter

I do agree. We were lucky in our family as we decided all at the same time to go veggie. If it had just been me I wouldn't suddenly say to everyone else in the family that they couldn't eat what they wanted - that would be a dictatorship - with which, I hope we all disagree.

Jo

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peter VV

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:43 AM

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I accept your point of view, but disagree. My wife is the only carnie in our house, and I will not force my views on her,nor her on me, its her life as well as my kids, who if they chose to eat animals would be their choice. I dont see how my letting them make their own choices makes me a bad person, or compromises my lifestyle as a vegan. She does eat less animals since she met me , as she will eat what I cook out of convenience, so from that perspective it is making a small difference.

The Valley Vegan.............flower child <zurumato wrote:

personally, that thought of buying milk fer someone else is tantamountto allowing someone to shoot puppies in the face in yer hausthats me of courseeveryone is differentHi fraggle, I agree, my house is a cruelty-free zone. My children are not teenagers and I know that teenagers rebel if theydon't get their way. I would hope that they are still vegan as they grow older and earntheir own money. That is beyond my control and their choice. but for now, it is my wallet, and I buy the groceries.

Peter H

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November 15, 2006

Hi Peter

>I wouldnt condone forcing your lifestyle choices on your children by stopping them having dairy

But you would condone them forcing their lifestyle choices on their parents by making them buy milk? As you said, they're old enough to make their own decisions...

BB

Peter

November 15, 2006

I think it depends on their age, if they arent old enough to get jobs yet to be self sufficient, then support them. When they are old enough to work and if they still live with parents, it will be up to them to buy whatever they like.Hopefully, they will look after themselves and support their own lifestyle choices without asking parents to support them by sponsoring their lactiverous activities. I think it would be selfish and uncaring on their part to be any other way? The Valley Vegan.............Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter >I wouldnt condone forcing your lifestyle choices on your children by stopping them having dairy But you would condone them forcing their lifestyle choices on their parents by making them buy milk? As you said, they're old enough to make their own decisions... BB Peter Peter H

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My children aren't even teens ... they are young adults. It is not that they are rebelling, it is that I "forced" meat-eating and milk-drinking on them from early childhood. Now I have made a change and they don't want to follow. As young adults, they are in a position to make their own decisions. Hopefully they will decide differently one day.

You are right, of course ... whatever our lifestyle is, we "force" it on our children.

Sharon

flower child <zurumato Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:39:16 PM Re: URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

personally, that thought of buying milk fer someone else is tantamountto allowing someone to shoot puppies in the face in yer hausthats me of courseeveryone is differentHi fraggle, I agree, my house is a cruelty-free zone. My children are not teenagers and I know that teenagers rebel if theydon't get their way. I would hope that they are still vegan as they grow older and earntheir own money. That is beyond my control and their choice. but for now, it is my wallet, and I buy the groceries.

November 15, 2006

Hi Peter / Peter

I think, as you say, the children are old enough to make their own choices. I think the parent should do what they want to do. In my case I would want to buy what you or Laura want (apart from meat).

BBJo

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Peter

Wednesday, November 15, 2006 2:01 PM

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Hi Peter

>I wouldnt condone forcing your lifestyle choices on your children by stopping them having dairy

But you would condone them forcing their lifestyle choices on their parents by making them buy milk? As you said, they're old enough to make their own decisions...

BB

Peter

November 15, 2006

wanna move in?

hahahah

you should hear the " issues " we are having with our roomie

>flower child <zurumato

>Nov 14, 2006 8:39 PM

>

> Re: URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

>

>personally, that thought of buying milk fer someone else is tantamount

>to allowing someone to shoot puppies in the face in yer haus

>thats me of course

>everyone is different

>

>Hi fraggle,

>

>I agree, my house is a cruelty-free zone.

>My children are not teenagers and I know that teenagers rebel if they

>don't get their way.

>

>I would hope that they are still vegan as they grow older and earn

>their own money. That is beyond my control and their choice.

>but for now, it is my wallet, and I buy the groceries.

>

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>

November 15, 2006

everyone is different

and everyone draws their lines in different places...

personally...and again, i said personally..i couldn't be with a carnie

i look at it this way..what if my partner had a slave?

well..i'm an abolutionist...but my partner owns slaves..but i can't force him/her to do what i do...

but, since i came along..she only whips them when they are really bad....

*shrug*

evetyone see's things differently...

and, never said it all was suppose to make sense, er be easy

cheers

fraggle

peter VV Nov 15, 2006 12:43 AM Re: Re: URGENT! Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act vot Monday

I accept your point of view, but disagree. My wife is the only carnie in our house, and I will not force my views on her,nor her on me, its her life as well as my kids, who if they chose to eat animals would be their choice. I dont see how my letting them make their own choices makes me a bad person, or compromises my lifestyle as a vegan. She does eat less animals since she met me , as she will eat what I cook out of convenience, so from that perspective it is making a small difference.

The Valley Vegan.............flower child <zurumato wrote:

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