800 open relationship members??

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo

 

> Evidently I am so naive and innocent that I hadn't even realised

your inference until now.

 

 

I wouldn't say naive, I would say you look for the best in people.

Besides, I'm not that bad! I mean I am no Welsh man!

*giggle*

 

*ducking flying objects*

 

BB

Nikki

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter

 

> Well, we do have to keep an eye on you... after all, you are such a

> trouble maker!

 

I know, there are just *some* members that have a terrible influence

over me and rejoice in doing so.

 

 

> Now come on, pull yourself together :-)

 

Well I just about had until you made that comment! LOL

 

BB

Silly Nikki

[Guest guest]

ROFL!

 

Nikki

 

 

we need to start a story group again...

just so i can kill yer character.....

[Guest guest]

Wouldnt you like to know.......

 

The Valley Vegan............Peter Kebbell <metalscarab wrote:

 

Hi Peter

 

> Oh yes, I forgot , it takes you 2 hours to do up all your belts and zips in the morning!

 

OK, first Fraggle proposes to you, and now you know how long it takes him to put his clothes on in the morning... is there something more to this than you've previously let on???? ;-)

 

BB

Peter Peter H

 

Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail

[Guest guest]

Sounds rude!

 

Who are you telling to sing up Peter?

 

The Valley Vegan.............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

Sing up Peter :-)BBJo , Peter Kebbell wrote:>> Hi Fraggle> > If you get that nasty power ballad stuck in my head i'm going tohave to> have some words with you!> Now that really is a challenge, isn't it?...> *singing at top of voice*> Forever Young, time on our side, we've got tomorrow, we've gottonight....> BB> Peter>

[Guest guest]

So why did you get married if you don't need a piece of paper?

 

Jo

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> In a registry office, short and sweet. Dont understand the need for

a piece of paper to say I am officially married.

>

> The Valley Vegan...........

>

> jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

> Where did you get married Peter?

>

> Jo

> -

> peter hurd

>

> Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:07 PM

> Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

>

>

> Symbollocks to me!

>

> The Valley Vegan..........

>

> fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:

> its just a way of makin a symbolic commitment...

>

>

>

> peter hurd

> Nov 5, 2005 7:25 AM

>

> Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

>

> I still dont see the point?, but then I dont see point of church

marriages for non religious people either?

>

> The Valley Vegan............

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

> Hi Jonnie

>

> A handfasting is not an official marriage - just like a church wedding

> isn't. When you have a church wedding you also have to sign the

> register, which makes it legal. When you handfast you can also get

> married, by going to the registry office to sign the register, or you

> can just be handfasted which is making a promise to your partner, but

> it is not a legal ceremony.

>

> BB

> Jo

>

> , Jonnie Hellens

> wrote:

> >

> > Now I'm confused (what's new?). I assumed they were sorta the same

> thing. A commitment. What exactly does handfasting mean then?

> >

> > jo wrote:Presumably you were married as well.

> Our daughter and her partner want to get married and handfasted on the

> same day, but I think that may be pushing the schedule a little.

> >

> > Jo

> > -

> > fraggle

> >

> > Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:03 PM

> > Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

> >

> >

> > amazingly enough..my ex wife and i got handfasted

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > jo

> > Nov 3, 2005 2:51 PM

> >

> > Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

> >

> >

> > We went to a lovely handfasting on Sunday - took our daughter and

> her partner who want to get handfasted next year :-)

> >

> > Jo

> > -

> > fraggle

> >

> > Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:13 PM

> > Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

> >

> >

> > handfasting is an old traditional ceremony that has been revived by

> th celtic, neo-pagan and wiccan movements...

> > to put it in simple terms..during the wedding ceremony, the to be

> wedded couple's hands(and sometimes arms) and bound together..with

> ribbon, er wotever...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > External control are you gonna let them get you?Do you wanna be a

> prisoner in the boundaries they set you?

> >

> >

> > To send an email to

-

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group " " on the web.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

tax relief?........................ha,ha.

 

The Valley Vegan..........heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

So why did you get married if you don't need a piece of paper?Jo , peter hurd wrote:>> In a registry office, short and sweet. Dont understand the need fora piece of paper to say I am officially married.> > The Valley Vegan...........> > jo wrote:> Where did you get married Peter?> > Jo> - > peter hurd > > Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:07 PM> Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??> > > Symbollocks to me!> > The Valley Vegan..........> > fraggle wrote:> its just a way of makin a symbolic commitment...> > > -----Original

Message----- > peter hurd > Nov 5, 2005 7:25 AM > > Re: Re: 800 open relationship members?? > > I still dont see the point?, but then I dont see point of churchmarriages for non religious people either?> > The Valley Vegan............> > heartwerk wrote:> Hi Jonnie> > A handfasting is not an official marriage - just like a church wedding> isn't. When you have a church wedding you also have to sign the> register, which makes it legal. When you handfast you can also get> married, by going to the registry office to sign the register, or you> can just be handfasted which is making a promise to your partner, but> it is not a legal ceremony.> > BB> Jo> > , Jonnie Hellens> wrote:> >> >

Now I'm confused (what's new?). I assumed they were sorta the same> thing. A commitment. What exactly does handfasting mean then?> > > > jo wrote:Presumably you were married as well. > Our daughter and her partner want to get married and handfasted on the> same day, but I think that may be pushing the schedule a little.> > > > Jo> > - > > fraggle > > > > Thursday, November 03, 2005 11:03 PM> > Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??> > > > > > amazingly enough..my ex wife and i got handfasted> > > > > > > > > > > > jo > > Nov 3, 2005 2:51 PM > > > > Re: Re: 800 open

relationship members?? > > > > > > We went to a lovely handfasting on Sunday - took our daughter and> her partner who want to get handfasted next year :-)> > > > Jo> > - > > fraggle > > > > Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:13 PM> > Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??> > > > > > handfasting is an old traditional ceremony that has been revived by> th celtic, neo-pagan and wiccan movements...> > to put it in simple terms..during the wedding ceremony, the to be> wedded couple's hands(and sometimes arms) and bound together..with> ribbon, er wotever...> > > > > > > > > > External control are you gonna let them get you?Do you wanna be a> prisoner in the boundaries they set

you?> > > > > > To send an email to- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "" on the web.> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Fraggle

 

> we need to start a story group again...

> just so i can kill yer character.....

Well we do have Ar Martikan sitting around waiting... but I warn you, my characters arfe very difficult to kill - and if you do succeed, they just come back to haunt you, by singing irritating songs.

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

Hi Peter

 

> Sounds rude!

 

Have you been to a drinking party or something.... " sounds a bit... rude.... you know, a bit like " bum " " :-)

 

BB

Peter

[Guest guest]

As far as I know swingers is still a term used to indicate well,

swongers. Sorry, brain is fried! Polyamory is different though as it is

not about sex so much as love and relationhips

 

BB

AlexOn 04/11/05, Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens wrote:

I think about 15 years ago he used the word swinger, not sure if

that has evolved to another word or if it's something way different.

[Guest guest]

I meant a crosstrainer and a stationary bike! LOL Why did everyone think I was being rude? *innocent smile*

On 04/11/05, Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens wrote:

 

exercise with a machine... (clearning throat) I'll stay away from that one...

So a slapper could be male or female, we have a lot of US terms

for that too, but I guess y'all know 'em already. I think the

terms often pertain to attitude, not just action.

[Guest guest]

Very. How could I be a witch and not be warty? ;-)

 

BB

AlexOn 04/11/05, peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote:

What you are warty as well?

 

The Valley Vegan..........Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi

wrote:

Again,

I can't speak for Fraggle but, personally, I wouldn't tell what

happened with one partner to the other partner just because it is a

matter of privacy and good taste!I agree thar monogamy is

easier on the brain :-) I am often a little bit envious of monogamous

(and straight and non-pagan) people. My life would be a lot simpler if

I were more 'mainstream' (for want of a better word)! Yet, what can I

say... I am me and try to live as honestly as I can, warts and all :-)BBAlex

[Guest guest]

Hi Jo,

 

be proud of your innocence :-) I keep trying to pass as innocent but it never works! LOL

 

BB

AlexOn 04/11/05, jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

Hi Nikki/Alex

 

Evidently I am so naive and innocent that I hadn't even realised your inference until now.

 

BBJo

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

I can't, family group and all. Then the head moderator meanie will

put me on moderation.

I am sure he is corruptable, maybe with enough chocolate cake? :-)

 

Oh I know, and you phrased it fine. Believe me it is me. I am

reverting to a " Beavis & Butthead syndrome " because everytime I

read " handfasting " and " broom jumping " I start giggling. And it is

horrible because they are actually 2 very beautiful rituals to me

but I cannot help it!

Now I have that association too in my head, eeek! :-)

 

BB

Alex

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki

 

 

Face to face though, I tend to get nervous unless it is business

related, then I am a rock.

 

But when talking to new people, in order not to show my insecurity I

tend to become overly aggressive towards them. I can tend to have a

hard edge, sarcastic sense of humor (yeah, who would have known) and

I project that alot when nervous. Snappy and quick come-backs in a

somewhat aggressive manner.

 

Am I making any sense? lol

You are making plenty of sense! I have a similar reaction too. The more nervous, the worst I come across :-)

 

BB

Alex

[Guest guest]

Hi Alex

 

Glenda wasn't warty!

 

BB

Nikki

 

, Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi@g...>

wrote:

>

> Very. How could I be a witch and not be warty? ;-)

>

> BB

> Alex

[Guest guest]

Hi Alex

 

> > I can't, family group and all. Then the head moderator meanie

will

> > put me on moderation.

>

> I am sure he is corruptable, maybe with enough chocolate cake? :-)

 

You know sometimes even virtual vegan chocolate cake works with him.

Or the promise of vegan cake. I like how you think!

 

> > Oh I know, and you phrased it fine. Believe me it is me. I am

> > reverting to a " Beavis & Butthead syndrome " because everytime I

> > read " handfasting " and " broom jumping " I start giggling. And it

is

> > horrible because they are actually 2 very beautiful rituals to me

> > but I cannot help it!

>

> Now I have that association too in my head, eeek! :-)

 

 

LOL - sorry!

 

BB

Nikki

[Guest guest]

Hi Alex

 

> You are making plenty of sense! I have a similar reaction too. The

more

> nervous, the worst I come across :-)

 

 

LOL - I bet we'd make a heck of a pair at a party together

 

BB

Nikki

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki,

 

sorry to be thick but Glenda? *puzzled look*

 

BB

Alex :-)On 07/11/05, earthstrm <nikkimack wrote:

 

Hi Alex

 

Glenda wasn't warty!

 

BB

Nikki

[Guest guest]

sure.... sure you did!Alex Iantaffi <alex.iantaffi wrote:

I meant a crosstrainer and a stationary bike! LOL Why did everyone think I was being rude? *innocent smile*

On 04/11/05, Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens wrote:

 

 

exercise with a machine... (clearning throat) I'll stay away from that one...

So a slapper could be male or female, we have a lot of US terms for that too, but I guess y'all know 'em already. I think the terms often pertain to attitude, not just action.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Alex

 

 

> sorry to be thick but Glenda? *puzzled look*

 

 

LOL - the good witch on the Wizard of Oz!

*sly smile*

 

BB

Nikki

[Guest guest]

Ut oh! we're in for it now! :]fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

remind me to be vexed at both of you later..... jo Nov 4, 2005 1:38 PM Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

I'm singing with you Jonnie.

 

Jo

 

-

Jonnie Hellens

Friday, November 04, 2005 7:30 PM

Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

 

Forrrr Ev Rrrrr Yuuuungfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

if you get that nasty power ballad stuck in my head i'm going to have to have some words with you!

 

jo Nov 3, 2005 3:00 PM Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

I prefer Forever Young :-)Jo

 

-

fraggle

Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:43 PM

Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

 

bullpucky

*breaks into a chorus of "i'm gonna stay young until i diiiiiiieeee"* peter hurd Nov 3, 2005 2:39 PM Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

Gonna happen man, face up to it..............

 

The Valley Vegan.............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

old Frag..

somehow i don't like the sound of that peter hurd Nov 3, 2005 2:05 PM Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

Trust you not to be stereotypical!

I suspect though that as with nature , most things are cyclical, that you may well go back to being a monogomous old Frag.

 

The Valley Vegan............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

i think that depends a lot on the person and what they want/desire out of life..

and their situations..

who they are with, etc...

 

when i was a teenager..i was hopelessly monogamous....the idea of more then one relationship at a time never entered my wee lil brain..

it was only later that things began t o evolve and such peter hurd Nov 3, 2005 1:53 PM Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

I think as you get older you start to want a bit more certanty and want to settle more, as oppose to playing the field. Especially when you start going gray and everything starts to head down south! monogomy starts to seem a lot more attractive.

 

The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

 

HI Alex

 

LOL - fancy calling your partner a slapper :-) How many partners do you need to be a slapper, or does it depend on something else?

 

Would your life partner mind another partner living with you full-time? (I am assuming that it is just you and Mike cohabiting at present), or would you not ask him how he felt about it? So many questions !

 

Thanks for chatting about it - it all seems a little uncertain for me - but the world is full of different people.

 

BBJo

 

-

Alex Iantaffi

Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:59 AM

Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

Hi Jo,no need to shut up at all :-) There are indeed lots of possible combinations as fraggle highlighted too. One of my partners is very actively poly (a polite way of saying he is a bit of a slapper actually, LOL) whilst the other two aren't. Mike is really pretty much monogamous although he did get involved with my ex-girlfriend at one point, when me and her were still together, but it was a fling rather than a relationship. The other is currently only dating me but he might also date someone else if he meets someone he likes at some point. The point about main partners varies from situation to situation again. Some people don't like hierarchical language, such as primary and secondary partners. To be honest I don't like it either because it can be read to mean you love one person more than another, which is why I use the term life partner for Mike rather than primary. Having said that, there are various degrees of commitment in relationships. My

relationship with R. is fairly casual. He would describe me as his sweetie (what can I say, he is American after all, LOL) but we have no expectations of each other emotionally beyond the bonds of friendship. Yet, we have managed a long-distance relationship for over two years so there is a degree of love and care in our bond too. Now he has moved to the UK for a while, we will see more of each other but have no intention of living together and I suppose at some point our sexual relationship might end although we both hope that our friendship will still be there. My relationship with my other two partners is different as I love them both (and luckily the love me) in a way that some people would describe as 'primary'. For example Mike and I have made a commitment to each other when we were handfasted, we share a house and a daughter and therefore have a greater commitment to our relationship. Finally, my other partner and I have a really intense bond but our relationship is quite new

so we have hopes and dreams about greater commitments but only time will tell whether those things (e.g. living together, etc...) will indeed happen. Problems do come up when there is a mismatch of hopes and expectations but that, of course, is similar to what would happen in any relationship anyway, mono or poly :-) Sorry, another long answer!!! Please tell me to shut up if I go on too much when answering your questions ;-)BBAlex

On 02/11/05, jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

HI Alex

 

I'm being nosey again - so please tell me to shut up if you want.

 

There seem to be so many possible combinations. Do your partners have other partners as well? In the group are there always main partners for each person?

 

BBJo

 

Peter H

 

 

 

 

 

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I think we can handle it though :-)Jo

 

-

Jonnie Hellens

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:46 PM

Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

 

 

Ut oh! we're in for it now! :]fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

remind me to be vexed at both of you later..... jo Nov 4, 2005 1:38 PM Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

I'm singing with you Jonnie.

 

Jo

 

-

Jonnie Hellens

Friday, November 04, 2005 7:30 PM

Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

 

Forrrr Ev Rrrrr Yuuuungfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

if you get that nasty power ballad stuck in my head i'm going to have to have some words with you!

 

jo Nov 3, 2005 3:00 PM Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

I prefer Forever Young :-)Jo

 

-

fraggle

Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:43 PM

Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

 

bullpucky

*breaks into a chorus of "i'm gonna stay young until i diiiiiiieeee"* peter hurd Nov 3, 2005 2:39 PM Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

Gonna happen man, face up to it..............

 

The Valley Vegan.............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

old Frag..

somehow i don't like the sound of that peter hurd Nov 3, 2005 2:05 PM Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

Trust you not to be stereotypical!

I suspect though that as with nature , most things are cyclical, that you may well go back to being a monogomous old Frag.

 

The Valley Vegan............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

i think that depends a lot on the person and what they want/desire out of life..

and their situations..

who they are with, etc...

 

when i was a teenager..i was hopelessly monogamous....the idea of more then one relationship at a time never entered my wee lil brain..

it was only later that things began t o evolve and such peter hurd Nov 3, 2005 1:53 PM Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

I think as you get older you start to want a bit more certanty and want to settle more, as oppose to playing the field. Especially when you start going gray and everything starts to head down south! monogomy starts to seem a lot more attractive.

 

The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

 

HI Alex

 

LOL - fancy calling your partner a slapper :-) How many partners do you need to be a slapper, or does it depend on something else?

 

Would your life partner mind another partner living with you full-time? (I am assuming that it is just you and Mike cohabiting at present), or would you not ask him how he felt about it? So many questions !

 

Thanks for chatting about it - it all seems a little uncertain for me - but the world is full of different people.

 

BBJo

 

-

Alex Iantaffi

Thursday, November 03, 2005 9:59 AM

Re: Re: 800 open relationship members??

Hi Jo,no need to shut up at all :-) There are indeed lots of possible combinations as fraggle highlighted too. One of my partners is very actively poly (a polite way of saying he is a bit of a slapper actually, LOL) whilst the other two aren't. Mike is really pretty much monogamous although he did get involved with my ex-girlfriend at one point, when me and her were still together, but it was a fling rather than a relationship. The other is currently only dating me but he might also date someone else if he meets someone he likes at some point. The point about main partners varies from situation to situation again. Some people don't like hierarchical language, such as primary and secondary partners. To be honest I don't like it either because it can be read to mean you love one person more than another, which is why I use the term life partner for Mike rather than primary. Having said that, there are various degrees of commitment in relationships. My relationship with R. is fairly casual. He would describe me as his sweetie (what can I say, he is American after all, LOL) but we have no expectations of each other emotionally beyond the bonds of friendship. Yet, we have managed a long-distance relationship for over two years so there is a degree of love and care in our bond too. Now he has moved to the UK for a while, we will see more of each other but have no intention of living together and I suppose at some point our sexual relationship might end although we both hope that our friendship will still be there. My relationship with my other two partners is different as I love them both (and luckily the love me) in a way that some people would describe as 'primary'. For example Mike and I have made a commitment to each other when we were handfasted, we share a house and a daughter and therefore have a greater commitment to our relationship. Finally, my other partner and I have a really intense bond but our relationship is quite new so we have hopes and dreams about greater commitments but only time will tell whether those things (e.g. living together, etc...) will indeed happen. Problems do come up when there is a mismatch of hopes and expectations but that, of course, is similar to what would happen in any relationship anyway, mono or poly :-) Sorry, another long answer!!! Please tell me to shut up if I go on too much when answering your questions ;-)BBAlex

On 02/11/05, jo <jo.heartwork wrote:

HI Alex

 

I'm being nosey again - so please tell me to shut up if you want.

 

There seem to be so many possible combinations. Do your partners have other partners as well? In the group are there always main partners for each person?

 

BBJo

 

Peter H

 

 

 

 

 

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We used to sing at parties live is life by opus...

 

la la la la la

 

 

 

 

, Peter Kebbell <metalscarab@g...> wrote:

>

> Hi Anouk

>

> > Is that the one by the German group Alphaville?

> > why is it a power ballad?

>

> The one I'm thinking of is by Tyketto...

>

> BB

> Peter

>

[Guest guest]

well,

i think that I had a pagan wedding, but I am not sure,

I don't know, some people feel strongly about it,

some gay people that I talk to would love to get married officially

and not with Just have ceremoney. It is just a matter of recognition.

 

on the other hand, some hetero men and women run the other way, if the

person mentions the M word. I think it depends how ready you are to

settle down. (or think that you are! )

 

 

, " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote:

>

> Hi Jonnie

>

> A handfasting is not an official marriage - just like a church wedding

>