Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 I don't know anyone who has been forced into having children. I know someone who was mentally forced into having an abortion because her husband didn't want to have the child that he had created. I don't agree that it is forward thinking. I think it is a form of denial. Jo , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > One, it isn't ludicrous. For starters, I think far too many women are forced into having children. The whole ego trip of " a son to carry on my name, " is ludicrous. Good example is Yates. > > Two, what has superiority got to do with this discussion? Although, I would probably say they are more future thinking. > > Lynda > - > Jo Cwazy > > Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:14 AM > Re: Re: Intro and Question > > > Just because some people have 'spent much too much time doing more than replacing' does not mean that people should not have children at all - what a ludicrous idea. > > Do you feel that people who do not have children are superior to those who do? > > Jo > > Further, man has spent much too much time doing more than replacing. > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Once we have interfered with nature we cannot let nature take it's course because the course that follows is not it's natural course. Jo , " Lynda " <lurine@s...> wrote: > Human " invented " breeds are not natural. Sterilize them all or keep them seperate until they die out. Then let nature (those that live and have lived in nature and not been manipulated by and for humans) take its course. Not an oxymoron at all. > > Lynda > - > Peter > > Wednesday, March 09, 2005 11:15 AM > Re: Re: Intro and Question > > > Hi Lynda > > > And, people are saying that beef, chicken and so forth should not be raised for food. The only option that > > realistically leaves is to sterilize all those animals and when they die out they die out. then let nature take its > > course with the rest. > > Food animals are specifically bred by breeders in order to produce enough for food. A large proportion of food cattle is produced through artificial incemination, and has nothing whatsoever to do with a " natural " process. If they stopped doing this, then the populations would return to a " normal " level within a generation, and there would be no need to sterilise anyone! > > And if I might point out the oxymoron in your above statement, you can't " sterilise animals " *and* " let nature take its course " - the two are mutually exclusive! > > Peter > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Hi Peter I suspect that Lynda will answer that humanity should be wiped out! It seems to be a stock answer when the breeding question is broached. This, of course, is a point of view I cannot understand. Surely if people feel that way they would commit suicide to help the scheme on it's way. It doesn't add up to me, because I am also sure that the people who hold to this point of view also look after themselves to avoid death. Doesn't add up. BB Jo , metalscarab@c... wrote: > Hi Lynda > > > Human " invented " breeds are not natural. Sterilize them all or keep them > > seperate until they die out. Then let nature (those that live and have > > lived in nature and not been manipulated by and for humans) take its > > course. Not an oxymoron at all. > > So, on that basis, you would argue that the most unnatural breeds should > all be neutered and their species left to die out? Wouldn't you agree that > the most unnatural species of the lot is humans? I guess that sterilising > all humans would solve the vast majority of the world's problems! So, > let's take out the humans, and let nature take it's course with the rest > of the species. > > I guess looking at it from a purely objective point of view, it's a great > plan, but speaking as a human, not one I'm particularly happy to go along > with! I'd prefer to not try to make decisions for nature, and let it do > it's own work. We've already messed up enough in the last 50 years by > trying to decide what is best for nature. Sometime it's got to strike > people that maybe nature can work without further interference from us. > > Peter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 happens all the time Jo..happens all the time... can i ask that we happily skip away from this topic fer a bit? new topic quick! ummmm... damn...can't think of anything pooburgers.... heartwerk Mar 11, 2005 4:39 AM Re: Intro and Question I don't know anyone who has been forced into having children. I know someone who was mentally forced into having an abortion because her husband didn't want to have the child that he had created. I don't agree that it is forward thinking. I think it is a form of denial.Jo I’m gonna tell all you fascists you may be surprised The people in this world are getting organized You’re bound to lose, you fascists are bound to lose Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 I agree with Fraggle. This conversation has taken on a really bitchy tone. How about this one... I can't keep my youngest kitty out of my peace lily plants. I'm in a 2 bedroom townhouse and there's no where to "hide" the plants. Any suggestions for me? P.S. The sour apple spray hasn't worked for us. Thanks, Valfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: happens all the time Jo..happens all the time... can i ask that we happily skip away from this topic fer a bit? new topic quick! ummmm... damn...can't think of anything pooburgers.... heartwerk Mar 11, 2005 4:39 AM Re: Intro and Question I don't know anyone who has been forced into having children. I know someone who was mentally forced into having an abortion because her husband didn't want to have the child that he had created. I don't agree that it is forward thinking. I think it is a form of denial.JoTo send an email to - I’m gonna tell all you fascists you may be surprised The people in this world are getting organized You’re bound to lose, you fascists are bound to lose Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Okely dokely! I've said all my thoughts so no point in repeating them. What's everyone planning for meals over the weekend? Maybe that's not such a good choice as I haven't planned any yet, but I'll have a think about it and let you know. I don't reckon it'll be anything too exciting though. We may eat out tomorrow if we are shopping, so that will save cooking one meal. BBJo - fraggle Friday, March 11, 2005 3:48 PM Re: Re: Intro and Question happens all the time Jo..happens all the time... can i ask that we happily skip away from this topic fer a bit? new topic quick! ummmm... damn...can't think of anything pooburgers.... heartwerk Mar 11, 2005 4:39 AM Re: Intro and Question I don't know anyone who has been forced into having children. I know someone who was mentally forced into having an abortion because her husband didn't want to have the child that he had created. I don't agree that it is forward thinking. I think it is a form of denial.JoTo send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 I don't really picture myself getting married anytime in the near future, but if I do it'll be to man who's divorced and already had kids and therefore doesn't expect ME to bear him any. Love, Anna - Lynda 3/11/2005 1:03:30 AM Re: Re: Intro and Question One, it isn't ludicrous. For starters, I think far too many women are forced into having children. The whole ego trip of "a son to carry on my name," is ludicrous. Good example is Yates. Two, what has superiority got to do with this discussion? Although, I would probably say they are more future thinking. Lynda - Jo Cwazy Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:14 AM Re: Re: Intro and Question Just because some people have 'spent much too much time doing more than replacing' does not mean that people should not have children at all - what a ludicrous idea. Do you feel that people who do not have children are superior to those who do? Jo Further, man has spent much too much time doing more than replacing.To send an email to - To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 hey..i'm divorced..and have fury kids wanna date *wink* rofl Anna Blaine Mar 11, 2005 9:07 AM Re: Re: Intro and Question I don't really picture myself getting married anytime in the near future, but if I do it'll be to man who's divorced and already had kids and therefore doesn't expect ME to bear him any. Love, Anna - Lynda 3/11/2005 1:03:30 AM Re: Re: Intro and Question One, it isn't ludicrous. For starters, I think far too many women are forced into having children. The whole ego trip of "a son to carry on my name," is ludicrous. Good example is Yates. Two, what has superiority got to do with this discussion? Although, I would probably say they are more future thinking. Lynda - Jo Cwazy Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:14 AM Re: Re: Intro and Question Just because some people have 'spent much too much time doing more than replacing' does not mean that people should not have children at all - what a ludicrous idea. Do you feel that people who do not have children are superior to those who do? Jo Further, man has spent much too much time doing more than replacing.To send an email to - To send an email to - To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Anna wrote: >I don't really picture myself getting married anytime in the near >future, but if I do it'll be to man who's divorced and already had >kids and therefore doesn't expect ME to bear him any. None of my partners is divorced, and none of them has kids. None of them expects me to bear them children. It's not only people who already have kids who don't want them. serene -- " A conservative is someone who worships the views of dead liberals. " -- The Holy Church of Happy Good Times Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Hey Jo, Where abouts do you plan to eat out? Cooking?? - I agree with you ,I like to eat out as much as possible, or get somebody else to do the cooking, Jo > We may eat out tomorrow if we are shopping, so that will save cooking one >meal. > >BB >Jo > - > fraggle > > Friday, March 11, 2005 3:48 PM > Re: Re: Intro and Question > > > happens all the time Jo..happens all the time... > > can i ask that we happily skip away from this topic fer a bit? > new topic > quick! > ummmm... > damn...can't think of anything > pooburgers.... > > > > heartwerk > Mar 11, 2005 4:39 AM > > Re: Intro and Question > > > I don't know anyone who has been forced into having children. I know > someone who was mentally forced into having an abortion because her > husband didn't want to have the child that he had created. > > I don't agree that it is forward thinking. I think it is a form of > denial. > > Jo > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Jo wrote: >What's everyone planning for meals over the weekend? Tonight is probably risotto and tofu kebabs. Tomorrow, I'm at Guy's -- they're not vegetarian, so I usually take hummus with me, just in case there's nothing there to eat, but there's usually plenty to eat. Sunday, I was thinking of making spaghetti. Nothing too exciting. I have a busy week coming up (Carin's birthday, party, Carol's surgery, my mom is coming into town next weekend with one of my Munchkins, etc.), so I don't want to overdo it, and I want enough time to clean my house and rest and stuff. serene -- " A conservative is someone who worships the views of dead liberals. " -- The Holy Church of Happy Good Times Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 oh sure..never invite me over..... tell Carin happy bornday, since i've seen her i think once since she moved in.... "serene (Sandra Vannoy)" Mar 11, 2005 12:52 PM Re: Re: Intro and Question >What's everyone planning for meals over the weekend?Tonight is probably risotto and tofu kebabs. Tomorrow, I'm at Guy's -- they're not vegetarian, so I usually take hummus with me, just in case there's nothing there to eat, but there's usually plenty to eat. Sunday, I was thinking of making spaghetti. Nothing too exciting. I have a busy week coming up (Carin's birthday, party, Carol's surgery, my mom is coming into town next weekend with one of my Munchkins, etc.), so I don't want to overdo it, and I want enough time to clean my house and rest and stuff.serene-- "A conservative is someone who worships the views of dead liberals." -- The Holy Church of Happy Good TimesTo send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Fraggle, you (and other local listmembers) are MORE than welcome to come to Carin's party on Friday night. Please do, in fact -- we'll need help eating all the food. :-) serene -- " A conservative is someone who worships the views of dead liberals. " -- The Holy Church of Happy Good Times Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Tonight is game night. Arrive any time between 5 and 9; stay as long as you like. A week from tonight is Carin's party. Same deal, timewise. I will send you directions and stuff in separate email. serene -- " A conservative is someone who worships the views of dead liberals. " -- The Holy Church of Happy Good Times Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 game night? can i be a 16th level elven paladin/thief/cleric with a + 15 Vorpal sword? i have to see if i'm working a show tonitegan_chat] Re: Intro and Question Tonight is game night. Arrive any time between 5 and 9; stay as long as you like. A week from tonight is Carin's party. Same deal, timewise. I will send you directions and stuff in separate email.serene-- "A conservative is someone who worships the views of dead liberals." -- The Holy Church of Happy Good TimesTo send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Hmmm.... Give the plants to me??? j/k I am just always looking to get more plants. Some of my friends have used cayenne pepper sprinkled. The cats will avoid it cause it tickles their noses so bad. sara , Valerie Fjallstrom <vfjallstrom> wrote: > I agree with Fraggle. This conversation has taken on a really bitchy tone. How about this one... I can't keep my youngest kitty out of my peace lily plants. I'm in a 2 bedroom townhouse and there's no where to " hide " the plants. Any suggestions for me? > > P.S. The sour apple spray hasn't worked for us. > > Thanks, > Val > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: > happens all the time Jo..happens all the time... > > can i ask that we happily skip away from this topic fer a bit? > new topic > quick! > ummmm... > damn...can't think of anything > pooburgers.... > > > > heartwerk > Mar 11, 2005 4:39 AM > > Re: Intro and Question > > > I don't know anyone who has been forced into having children. I know > someone who was mentally forced into having an abortion because her > husband didn't want to have the child that he had created. > > I don't agree that it is forward thinking. I think it is a form of > denial. > > Jo > > > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Nope, I don't but I don't need to know the pain they feel if they are abused, put in gunny sacks and dropped in a lake/river, abandoned on the side of the road to get killed or starve, to be burnt out having too many puppies/kittens, to die via having the air sucked out of a chamber, etc. to know that is wrong and something has to be done about it. Lynda - heartwerk Friday, March 11, 2005 4:37 AM Re: Intro and Question I don't - and neither do you.Jo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 it also gets on their paws they don't like that much either especially when it comes to cleaning so..try not to go overboard on the cayenne! now, if only we could learn to speak cat... sara Mar 11, 2005 1:41 PM Re: Intro and Question Hmmm.... Give the plants to me??? j/k I am just always looking to get more plants.Some of my friends have used cayenne pepper sprinkled. The cats will avoid it cause it tickles their noses so bad.sara , Valerie Fjallstrom <vfjallstrom> wrote:> I agree with Fraggle. This conversation has taken on a really bitchy tone. How about this one... I can't keep my youngest kitty out of my peace lily plants. I'm in a 2 bedroom townhouse and there's no where to "hide" the plants. Any suggestions for me? > > P.S. The sour apple spray hasn't worked for us.> > Thanks, > Val> > fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote:> happens all the time Jo..happens all the time...> > can i ask that we happily skip away from this topic fer a bit? > new topic> quick!> ummmm...> damn...can't think of anything> pooburgers....> > > > heartwerk > Mar 11, 2005 4:39 AM > > Re: Intro and Question > > > I don't know anyone who has been forced into having children. I know > someone who was mentally forced into having an abortion because her > husband didn't want to have the child that he had created. > > I don't agree that it is forward thinking. I think it is a form of > denial.> > Jo> > > > > To send an email to - > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 fraggle wrote: >game night? >can i be a 16th level elven paladin/thief/cleric with a + 15 Vorpal sword? Carin says " If he rolls it. He won't. " We usually play board games, but we're open to anything people bring with them. James is looking to start an RPG in the future, too. serene -- " A conservative is someone who worships the views of dead liberals. " -- The Holy Church of Happy Good Times Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Hi Serene Hummous is my favourite food - if I had to choose one to live on - it would probably be that. I like spaghetti. We had a bolognese last night made with lentils. I hope your busy week goes well. BB Jo > Tonight is probably risotto and tofu kebabs. Tomorrow, I'm at Guy's > -- they're not vegetarian, so I usually take hummus with me, just in > case there's nothing there to eat, but there's usually plenty to eat. > Sunday, I was thinking of making spaghetti. Nothing too exciting. I > have a busy week coming up (Carin's birthday, party, Carol's surgery, > my mom is coming into town next weekend with one of my Munchkins, > etc.), so I don't want to overdo it, and I want enough time to clean > my house and rest and stuff. > > serene > -- > " A conservative is someone who worships the views of dead liberals. " > -- The Holy Church of Happy Good Times > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 ok..as we slide far off the vegan tangent wot sort of RPG ? you really need him to come over and look at one of the walls in my bedroom... hahahahahahahah wot sort of boardgames? i have a few left over from various moves, breakups, etc..but..still..a few infection is great robo rally lotsa good games out there.. when they gonna make a vegan boardgame? oh yeah..gamers generally don't fall into the *vegan* category.. but..come on...veganland! heh "serene (Sandra Vannoy)" Mar 11, 2005 2:06 PM Re: Re: Intro and Question fraggle wrote:>game night?>can i be a 16th level elven paladin/thief/cleric with a + 15 Vorpal sword?Carin says "If he rolls it. He won't."We usually play board games, but we're open to anything people bring with them. James is looking to start an RPG in the future, too.serene-- "A conservative is someone who worships the views of dead liberals." -- The Holy Church of Happy Good TimesTo send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 I had to hang my plants when the kittens were small. I also used a squirt gun to "remind" them that the plants were a no-no. Lynda - Valerie Fjallstrom Friday, March 11, 2005 8:19 AM Re: Re: Intro and Question I agree with Fraggle. This conversation has taken on a really bitchy tone. How about this one... I can't keep my youngest kitty out of my peace lily plants. I'm in a 2 bedroom townhouse and there's no where to "hide" the plants. Any suggestions for me? P.S. The sour apple spray hasn't worked for us. Thanks, Valfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: happens all the time Jo..happens all the time... can i ask that we happily skip away from this topic fer a bit? new topic quick! ummmm... damn...can't think of anything pooburgers.... heartwerk Mar 11, 2005 4:39 AM Re: Intro and Question I don't know anyone who has been forced into having children. I know someone who was mentally forced into having an abortion because her husband didn't want to have the child that he had created. I don't agree that it is forward thinking. I think it is a form of denial.JoTo send an email to - I’m gonna tell all you fascists you may be surprised The people in this world are getting organized You’re bound to lose, you fascists are bound to lose To send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 Jo wrote: >Hummous is my favourite food - if I had to choose one to live on - it would >probably be that. Yep, me, too. :-) > I like spaghetti. We had a bolognese last night made >with lentils. Ooh, do you have a recipe? > >I hope your busy week goes well. Thanks. Mom and I worked it out that we'll do a visit a few weeks later. This week is just going to be too much for me. Lunch was soup made from a container of soy-ginger broth that we bought on sale, some broken-up spaghetti for noodles, some cubes of tofu, some dried shiitakes, and a bunch of veg oyster sauce. I liked it a lot, and so did James, but Carin picked out the tofu. :-) serene -- " A conservative is someone who worships the views of dead liberals. " -- The Holy Church of Happy Good Times Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 fraggle wrote: >ok..as we slide far off the vegan tangent >wot sort of RPG ? >you really need him to come over and look at one of the walls in my bedroom... >hahahahahahahah >wot sort of boardgames? >i have a few left over from various moves, breakups, etc..but..still..a few >infection is great >robo rally >lotsa good games out there.. >when they gonna make a vegan boardgame? oh yeah..gamers generally >don't fall into the *vegan* category.. >but..come on...veganland! >heh You're a goofball. I like that in a person. We have Apples to Apples, and Trivial Pursuit, and Clue, and Chez Geek (my current fave) and some others. I started game night so I could con people into playing board games with me, but James is writing an RPG that will probably be something like the old-school stuff around the time when D & D was new -- Did you ever play Tunnels and Trolls? Carin wants to play Kobolds Ate My Baby, but her copy is up north. We should play that some time. serene -- " A conservative is someone who worships the views of dead liberals. " -- The Holy Church of Happy Good Times Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2005 chez geek and apples to apples TOTALLY rule tho..i think i lost my copy of it last time i went camping never played T & T, tho i know i have a few old modules around... i use to have all the expansions for KAMB, tho again, i think i played once... we;ve been tryin to get a D & D game going forever..but..my friends are flakes oh..wait..i said D & D game..let me clean the slobber off my desk *snort* and..to totally label myself as a geek...i've played D & D(well, A D & D), Deadlands, and Cthulhu....played a few other ones..but..never got into em,....(well, Delta Green, but thats just Call of Cthulhu anyways) cheers fraggle *geek* "serene (Sandra Vannoy)" Mar 11, 2005 2:40 PM Re: Re: Intro and Question fraggle wrote:>ok..as we slide far off the vegan tangent>wot sort of RPG ?>you really need him to come over and look at one of the walls in my bedroom...>hahahahahahahah>wot sort of boardgames?>i have a few left over from various moves, breakups, etc..but..still..a few>infection is great>robo rally>lotsa good games out there..>when they gonna make a vegan boardgame? oh yeah..gamers generally>don't fall into the *vegan* category..>but..come on...veganland!>hehYou're a goofball. I like that in a person.We have Apples to Apples, and Trivial Pursuit, and Clue, and Chez Geek (my current fave) and some others. I started game night so I could con people into playing board games with me, but James is writing an RPG that will probably be something like the old-school stuff around the time when D & D was new -- Did you ever play Tunnels and Trolls?Carin wants to play Kobolds Ate My Baby, but her copy is up north. We should play that some time.serene-- "A conservative is someone who worships the views of dead liberals." -- The Holy Church of Happy Good TimesTo send an email to - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
