Environmentalists Against the War

January 14, 2003

Jan. 18, Grace Cathedral, San Francisco

Environmental Anti-War Kick-off: 11:00 a.m. - Noon

Let's Roll! March and Eco-Auto Convoy: Noon - 1:00 p.m.

Please visit www.workingassets.com/nowar for more information

and to volunteer.

Dear Friend of Working Assets,

Environmentalists of all stripes who oppose Bush's plans for a preemptive

invasion of Iraq are encouraged to bring their bicycles, hybrids, electric cars,

friends, children, parents and neighbors to a rollicking, rolling gathering for

opposing the war.

It all starts at an anti-war kick-off rally with folks from local and national

environmental organizations making the connection between oil dependency and

Bush's dangerous rush to war. Sponsors include Working Assets, Sierra Club,

Physicians for Social Responsibility, Ruckus Society, Global Exchange, Bluewater

Network, Walk SF, SF Bicycle Coalition, Greenpeace, Project Underground,

Rainforest Action Network, and Earth Island Institute.

Join us on the steps of Grace Cathedral at 11:00 a.m. on Jan. 18 for a pre-march

gathering featuring signs, banners, letter writing tables, t-shirt giveaways,

music, alternative vehicle fair, a game of pin the gas can on the SUV, and even

a blessing of the hybrids and electric vehicles. (To reserve your sign now,

visit www.workingassets.com/nowar)

At noon, environmentalists marching on foot, riding bikes and driving eco

vehicles will form the first-ever, anti-war green machine convoy. This rolling

environmental celebration will then proceed to the anti-war rally which begins

in San Francisco Civic Center at 1:00 p.m.

As you may know, at 1:00 p.m. on Saturday Jan. 18, a massive anti-war

demonstration will be held at San Francisco Civic Center. This may be your last

chance to participate in a large scale protest before the Bush administration

launches a preemptive strike against Iraq. Please join us and other like-minded

environmentalists for the Jan. 18 kickoff at 11:00 a.m. at San Francisco's Grace

Cathedral. Then march and ride with the eco-anti-war convoy to Civic Center, and

stand up against the war.

Find more details, including an opportunity to volunteer at the event and

reserve an environmental, anti-war sign at www.workingassets.com/nowar

Sincerely,

Michael Kieschnick

President

January 14, 2003

There is another anti-war demonstration in London on 15 February. Last time

40000 to 50000 people demonstrated - it would be good if it was even bigger

this time.

We will be going.

Jo

Environmentalists Against the War

> Environmentalists Against the War

> Jan. 18, Grace Cathedral, San Francisco

> Environmental Anti-War Kick-off: 11:00 a.m. - Noon

> Let's Roll! March and Eco-Auto Convoy: Noon - 1:00 p.m.

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January 15, 2003

Well, I intend to be at one in Washington, Dc.

Danielle

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Re: Environmentalists Against the War

Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:46:21 -0000

There is another anti-war demonstration in London on 15 February. Last time

40000 to 50000 people demonstrated - it would be good if it was even bigger

this time.

We will be going.

Jo

Environmentalists Against the War

> Environmentalists Against the War

> Jan. 18, Grace Cathedral, San Francisco

> Environmental Anti-War Kick-off: 11:00 a.m. - Noon

> Let's Roll! March and Eco-Auto Convoy: Noon - 1:00 p.m.

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January 15, 2003

In a message dated 1/14/2003 9:50:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, veggietart writes:

Well, I intend to be at one in Washington, Dc

Well, Iraq has this coming. Saddam has only violated the 1991 cease fire a few thousand times. I'm not a huge fan of President Bush. I think he has done a poor job of communicating the WAR effort to the American people. But, he is much better than the last President and a better option than Al Gore. Just imagine if he would have won.

January 15, 2003

In a message dated 1/15/2003 12:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Snowbow writes:

On the other hand, over 1 million innocent Iraqi citizens have been killed by US and UK actions since 1991 (figures from Amnesty International).

Not true. Amnesty International should be disbanded and its figureheads arrested for sedition.

January 15, 2003

In a message dated 1/15/2003 12:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Snowbow writes:

I'm also unaware of Iraq attacking anyone - perhaps you could enlighten us as to how they have broken this so-called ceasefire?

Its not "so-called" in 1991, instead of marching into Baghdad, which we should have done, the U.S. followed the wishes of the coalition and stopped short and called a cease fire which Baghdad agreed to, but has violated ever since. If President Clinton wasn't so limpwristed, he would have changed the leadership of Iraq in 1994. Instead of that, he was too interested snapping the thongs of fat interns.

January 15, 2003

In a message dated 1/15/2003 12:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Snowbow writes:

So you believe it's alright to kill a few hundred thousand innocent people because of the behaviour of one man?

Yes, I do! I don't think it will be nearly that many unless we have to use nuclear weapons, which I wouldn't mind. If Saddam would step down, maybe military action wouldn't be needed. We could then turn our attentions to North Korea.

Mark J.

January 15, 2003

In a message dated 1/15/2003 12:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Snowbow writes:

And how about America - vetoed action again Israeli breaches of UN conventions no fewer than 143 times in the past 5 years (that was the figure a couple of months ago, it's probably gone up since). But then, who cares about the Palestinians - they don't have any oil, do they!

We should pull out of the UN as of yesterday. The UN only exists to take money from the US and redistribute it to the third world. It is full of socialists and a capitalistic nation state such as ours doesn't belong.

January 15, 2003

In a message dated 1/15/2003 12:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Snowbow writes:

How terrible that would have been - an environmentally conscious president. I could imagine. We wouldn't have the US withdrawing from the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (a rich irony if ever there was one that Bush criticised Korea for following his lead), we would have the US on board with Kyoto, we wouldn't have the destruction of natural habitat in Alaska for oil. We might have a US which did cut its damage to the environment (the US currently produce more polution per capita than any other country).

Kyoto is nothing but another transfer of wealth from us to the third world. Many other nations far more to the left than ours didn't sign onto it either. We should also withdrawal from the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. Other nations are going to acquire these weapons regardless of our standing on nonproliferation. We need to have an overwhelming arsenal as a deterrent just in case some rogue nation using them on us.

January 15, 2003

i'll be in SF myself

" Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote:

>Well, I intend to be at one in Washington, Dc.

>

>Danielle

>

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> " Heartwork " <Heartwork

>

>Re: Environmentalists Against the War

>Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:46:21 -0000

>

>There is another anti-war demonstration in London on 15 February. Last time

>40000 to 50000 people demonstrated - it would be good if it was even bigger

>this time.

>

>We will be going.

>

>Jo

> Environmentalists Against the War

>

> > Environmentalists Against the War

> > Jan. 18, Grace Cathedral, San Francisco

> > Environmental Anti-War Kick-off: 11:00 a.m. - Noon

> > Let's Roll! March and Eco-Auto Convoy: Noon - 1:00 p.m.

>

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> Well, Iraq has this coming. Saddam has only violated the 1991 cease fire a few thousand times.

So you believe it's alright to kill a few hundred thousand innocent people because of the behaviour of one man?

Anyway, what ceasefire? If there has been one, I bet the Iraqi people wish someone had told Bush - there hasn't been a single week since 1991 when the US haven't bombed Iraq.

I'm also unaware of Iraq attacking anyone - perhaps you could enlighten us as to how they have broken this so-called ceasefire?

On the other hand, over 1 million innocent Iraqi citizens have been killed by US and UK actions since 1991 (figures from Amnesty International).

And how about America - vetoed action again Israeli breaches of UN conventions no fewer than 143 times in the past 5 years (that was the figure a couple of months ago, it's probably gone up since). But then, who cares about the Palestinians - they don't have any oil, do they!

Of course, if Iraq "had it coming", then what about the US - they've been hosting terrorists for years (supplying arms to the IRA for decades), invading countries whenever they want to, vetoing UN resolutions virtually every day, breaching the terms of the Geneva convention, indulging in horrendous human rights abuses, bombing civilian targets whenever they want to...according to Amnesty International "Throughout the world, on any given day, a man, woman or child is likely to be displaced, tortured, killed or "disappeared", at the hands of governments or armed political groups. More often than not, the United States shares the blame." So, I guess on your logic, we'd better get bombing the US fairly quick!

> But, he is much better than the last President and a better option than Al Gore. Just imagine if he would have

> won.

How terrible that would have been - an environmentally conscious president. I could imagine. We wouldn't have the US withdrawing from the nuclear non-proliferation treaty (a rich irony if ever there was one that Bush criticised Korea for following his lead), we would have the US on board with Kyoto, we wouldn't have the destruction of natural habitat in Alaska for oil. We might have a US which did cut its damage to the environment (the US currently produce more polution per capita than any other country). I'm imagining....it's a shame that our grandchildren probably won't have the opportunity to do the same - when Bush and co have managed to destroy the world.

BB

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January 15, 2003

Hi Mark

> Not true. Amnesty International should be disbanded and its figureheads arrested for sedition.

Perhaps you could cite your evidence for calling Amnesty International liars. I should warn you that such a comment is libellous unless you can back it up. Perhaps you could tell us hom many Iraqi citizens have died through US / UK action if you believe Amnesty International is incorrect.

I look forward to your well-researched answer.

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January 15, 2003

> Its not "so-called" in 1991, instead of marching into Baghdad, which we should have done, the U.S. followed the wishes of the

> coalition and stopped short and called a cease fire which Baghdad agreed to, but has violated ever since.

You haven't answered my question - who have Iraq attacked?

And how do you explain weekly bombings by US aircraft if there is a ceasefire? Are you saying that the US is in breach of its own agreements as well as everyone elses?

Peter

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January 15, 2003

> Yes, I do! I don't think it will be nearly that many unless we have to use nuclear weapons, which I wouldn't mind. If Saddam would

> step down, maybe military action wouldn't be needed. We could then turn our attentions to North Korea.

Ah - so not only do you support mass murder, you believe that the US has the right to invade, kill and control everyone who disagrees with you. And I thought Hitler was mad!

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January 15, 2003

> We should pull out of the UN as of yesterday. The UN only exists to take money from the US and redistribute it to the third world.

> It is full of socialists and a capitalistic nation state such as ours doesn't belong.

I think you misunderstand the concept of the UN - it is designed as a vehicle for the US to force its views on the rest of the world. Incidentally, why do you think there is such a thing as the third world? Could it have anything to do with the extortion of the US and UK????

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January 15, 2003

> Kyoto is nothing but another transfer of wealth from us to the third world.

Do you actually know anything about Kyoto? It strikes me you haven't got the foggiest idea what you're talking about....there's an old proverb....sometimes it is best to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

> Many other nations far more to the left than ours didn't sign onto it either.

Names of these nations, please?

> We should also withdrawal from the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. Other nations are going to acquire these weapons regardless

> of our standing on nonproliferation. We need to have an overwhelming arsenal as a deterrent just in case some rogue nation using

> them on us.

Ah - so, if you can't control the world, you must destroy it. Good logic there.

You are a frightening man!

Peter

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January 15, 2003

Mark

Are you on the right list?

Jo

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Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:22 PM

Re: Environmentalists Against the War

In a message dated 1/15/2003 12:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, Snowbow writes:

So you believe it's alright to kill a few hundred thousand innocent people because of the behaviour of one man?Yes, I do! I don't think it will be nearly that many unless we have to use nuclear weapons, which I wouldn't mind. If Saddam would step down, maybe military action wouldn't be needed. We could then turn our attentions to North Korea.Mark J.

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January 15, 2003

so glad we've been made rulers of the world now...

did we sign some agreement, were the US gets to pick world leaders..i guess its

ok that we depose saddam, since we helped put him in power in the first place,

sold him his arms, and chemical weapons..but, thats neither here nor there

sheesh..i say i'm leavin the group fer a few days and all hades breaks lose in

here

maj966 wrote:

>In a message dated 1/15/2003 12:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>Snowbow writes:

>

>> I'm also unaware of Iraq attacking anyone - perhaps you could enlighten us

>> as to how they have broken this so-called ceasefire?

>>

>

>Its not " so-called " in 1991, instead of marching into Baghdad, which we

>should have done, the U.S. followed the wishes of the coalition and stopped

>short and called a cease fire which Baghdad agreed to, but has violated ever

>since. If President Clinton wasn't so limpwristed, he would have changed the

>leadership of Iraq in 1994. Instead of that, he was too interested snapping

>the thongs of fat interns.

>

January 15, 2003

true..this capitilist nation belongs in a museum....perhaps next to the WWII

exihibit...

maj966 wrote:

>In a message dated 1/15/2003 12:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>Snowbow writes:

>

>> And how about America - vetoed action again Israeli breaches of UN

>> conventions no fewer than 143 times in the past 5 years (that was the

>> figure a couple of months ago, it's probably gone up since). But then, who

>> cares about the Palestinians - they don't have any oil, do they!

>>

>

>We should pull out of the UN as of yesterday. The UN only exists to take

>money from the US and redistribute it to the third world. It is full of

>socialists and a capitalistic nation state such as ours doesn't belong.

>

January 15, 2003

heck, who needs treaties at all..lets just bomb everyone who we don't like er

disagrees with us er might someday disagree with us, er who happens to be on the

way to the country we are currently bombing er....

name those liberal countries who haven't signed on by the way....

maj966 wrote:

>In a message dated 1/15/2003 12:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>Snowbow writes:

>

>> How terrible that would have been - an environmentally conscious president.

>> I could imagine. We wouldn't have the US withdrawing from the nuclear

>> non-proliferation treaty (a rich irony if ever there was one that Bush

>> criticised Korea for following his lead), we would have the US on board

>> with Kyoto, we wouldn't have the destruction of natural habitat in Alaska

>> for oil. We might have a US which did cut its damage to the environment

>> (the US currently produce more polution per capita than any other country).

>>

>

>Kyoto is nothing but another transfer of wealth from us to the third world.

>Many other nations far more to the left than ours didn't sign onto it either.

>We should also withdrawal from the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. Other

>nations are going to acquire these weapons regardless of our standing on

>nonproliferation. We need to have an overwhelming arsenal as a deterrent just

>in case some rogue nation using them on us.

>

January 15, 2003

gee,..how dare anyone try and stop pollution er global warming..i mean, is it

our fault er anything just cuz we use most of the worlds resources?

maj966 wrote:

>In a message dated 1/15/2003 12:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>Snowbow writes:

>

>> How terrible that would have been - an environmentally conscious president.

>> I could imagine. We wouldn't have the US withdrawing from the nuclear

>> non-proliferation treaty (a rich irony if ever there was one that Bush

>> criticised Korea for following his lead), we would have the US on board

>> with Kyoto, we wouldn't have the destruction of natural habitat in Alaska

>> for oil. We might have a US which did cut its damage to the environment

>> (the US currently produce more polution per capita than any other country).

>>

>

>Kyoto is nothing but another transfer of wealth from us to the third world.

>Many other nations far more to the left than ours didn't sign onto it either.

>We should also withdrawal from the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. Other

>nations are going to acquire these weapons regardless of our standing on

>nonproliferation. We need to have an overwhelming arsenal as a deterrent just

>in case some rogue nation using them on us.

>

January 15, 2003

and if bush stepped down maybe the world could breathe a sigh of relief

maj966 wrote:

>In a message dated 1/15/2003 12:42:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>Snowbow writes:

>

>> So you believe it's alright to kill a few hundred thousand innocent people

>> because of the behaviour of one man?

>>

>

>Yes, I do! I don't think it will be nearly that many unless we have to use

>nuclear weapons, which I wouldn't mind. If Saddam would step down, maybe

>military action wouldn't be needed. We could then turn our attentions to

>North Korea.

>Mark J.

>

January 15, 2003

eh..those are english libel laws,..won't fly in the US..

tho, i also await his poignant reply

" Peter " <Snowbow wrote:

>Hi Mark

>

>> Not true. Amnesty International should be disbanded and its figureheads

arrested for sedition.

>

>Perhaps you could cite your evidence for calling Amnesty International liars. I

should warn you that such a comment is libellous unless you can back it up.

Perhaps you could tell us hom many Iraqi citizens have died through US / UK

action if you believe Amnesty International is incorrect.

>

>I look forward to your well-researched answer.

>

>Peter

>

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January 15, 2003

she's still in the hospital..had surgery yesterday...

she should be home tomorrow hopefully..

thanx fer asking

" Peter " <Snowbow wrote:

>Hi Fraggle

>

>How's your SO? I hope she is doing well. How long will she be in hospital?

>

>Jo

>

>> so glad we've been made rulers of the world now...

>> did we sign some agreement, were the US gets to pick world leaders..i

>guess its ok that we depose saddam, since we helped put him in power in the

>first place, sold him his arms, and chemical weapons..but, thats neither

>here nor there

>>

>> sheesh..i say i'm leavin the group fer a few days and all hades breaks

>lose in here

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They don't keep people in hospital very long now, do they! My dad was in

for two weeks, but that was back in the 1950's I suppose. Do they use

keyhole surgery for gallbladders now?

Jo

> she's still in the hospital..had surgery yesterday...

> she should be home tomorrow hopefully..

> thanx fer asking

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