Guest guest Report post Posted July 7, 2009 Lol well that was super helpful and informativefraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 3:01:56 PMRe: Re: new member ew ew ew ew ew ewwwwww silk! yuck yuck yuck! *runs around ina circle flailing arms about higgledy piggledly* bad evil naughty vicious silk! ahem, ok, conniption fit is over "sarah.tomecek" Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM @gro ups.com Re: new member I personally love silk they have a Light option for original and vanilla and they also have flavors like chai and chocolate and eggnog in the holiday season, but there are many different types including milk replacers which don't need to be refrigerated (can be helpful to someone who doesn't have a bunch of fridge space left) Rice milk is much sweeter if that's what you're looking for but I'm not really sure which of these has the lowest fat :-/ hope I was somewhat helpful!@gro ups.com, "damselfly40" <damselfly@. ..> wrote:>> hello,> I just joined your group! My name is Christine and I live in Alaska with my husband and two teenage sons. I have been a vegetarian off and on since I was 18 and recently chose to try Vegan. My family is not vegetarian but they put up with me and my cooking! I do not have a love of cooking, so I am always looking for simple recipes..> It can be a challenge, especially in the winters to find fresh produce up here, but I try to always have fresh fruits and vegies in the house.> I have my first question, what is the best milk replacement? There seems to be so many rice, soy, oat and almond milks. I am trying to find one with the lowest fat content.> Thanks for letting me join and look forward to getting to know you.> christine> "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 8, 2009 Seriously? At 4:01 PM -0400 7/7/09, fraggle wrote: ew ew ew ew ew ewwwwww silk! yuck yuck yuck! *runs around ina circle flailing arms about higgledy piggledly* bad evil naughty vicious silk! ahem, ok, conniption fit is over " sarah.tomecek " Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM Re: new member I personally love silk they have a Light option for original and vanilla and they also have flavors like chai and chocolate and eggnog in the holiday season, but there are many different types including milk replacers which don't need to be refrigerated (can be helpful to someone who doesn't have a bunch of fridge space left) Rice milk is much sweeter if that's what you're looking for but I'm not really sure which of these has the lowest fat :-/ hope I was somewhat helpful! , " damselfly40 " <damselfly wrote: > > hello, > I just joined your group! My name is Christine and I live in Alaska with my husband and two teenage sons. I have been a vegetarian off and on since I was 18 and recently chose to try Vegan. My family is not vegetarian but they put up with me and my cooking! I do not have a love of cooking, so I am always looking for simple recipes. > It can be a challenge, especially in the winters to find fresh produce up here, but I try to always have fresh fruits and vegies in the house. > I have my first question, what is the best milk replacement? There seems to be so many rice, soy, oat and almond milks. I am trying to find one with the lowest fat content. > Thanks for letting me join and look forward to getting to know you. > christine > " Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 8, 2009 for me..yes... SIlk=White Wave = Dean foods is just the epitome of belezebub imo yarrow Jul 8, 2009 12:46 AM Re: Re: new member Seriously? At 4:01 PM -0400 7/7/09, fraggle wrote: ew ew ew ew ew ewwwwww silk! yuck yuck yuck! *runs around ina circle flailing arms about higgledy piggledly* bad evil naughty vicious silk! ahem, ok, conniption fit is over "sarah.tomecek"Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: new member I personally love silk they have a Light option for original and vanilla and they also have flavors like chai and chocolate and eggnog in the holiday season, but there are many different types including milk replacers which don't need to be refrigerated (can be helpful to someone who doesn't have a bunch of fridge space left) Rice milk is much sweeter if that's what you're looking for but I'm not really sure which of these has the lowest fat :-/ hope I was somewhat helpful! , "damselfly40" <damselfly wrote:>> hello,> I just joined your group! My name is Christine and I live in Alaska with my husband and two teenage sons. I have been a vegetarian off and on since I was 18 and recently chose to try Vegan. My family is not vegetarian but they put up with me and my cooking! I do not have a love of cooking, so I am always looking for simple recipes.> It can be a challenge, especially in the winters to find fresh produce up here, but I try to always have fresh fruits and vegies in the house.> I have my first question, what is the best milk replacement? There seems to be so many rice, soy, oat and almond milks. I am trying to find one with the lowest fat content.> Thanks for letting me join and look forward to getting to know you.> christine> "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 8, 2009  For us in the UK - what are they? BBJo - fraggle Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:31 PM Re: Re: new member for me..yes... SIlk=White Wave = Dean foods is just the epitome of belezebub imo yarrow Jul 8, 2009 12:46 AM Re: Re: new member Seriously? At 4:01 PM -0400 7/7/09, fraggle wrote: ew ew ew ew ew ewwwwww silk! yuck yuck yuck! *runs around ina circle flailing arms about higgledy piggledly* bad evil naughty vicious silk! ahem, ok, conniption fit is over "sarah.tomecek"Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: new member I personally love silk they have a Light option for original and vanilla and they also have flavors like chai and chocolate and eggnog in the holiday season, but there are many different types including milk replacers which don't need to be refrigerated (can be helpful to someone who doesn't have a bunch of fridge space left) Rice milk is much sweeter if that's what you're looking for but I'm not really sure which of these has the lowest fat :-/ hope I was somewhat helpful! , "damselfly40" <damselfly wrote:>> hello,> I just joined your group! My name is Christine and I live in Alaska with my husband and two teenage sons. I have been a vegetarian off and on since I was 18 and recently chose to try Vegan. My family is not vegetarian but they put up with me and my cooking! I do not have a love of cooking, so I am always looking for simple recipes.> It can be a challenge, especially in the winters to find fresh produce up here, but I try to always have fresh fruits and vegies in the house.> I have my first question, what is the best milk replacement? There seems to be so many rice, soy, oat and almond milks. I am trying to find one with the lowest fat content.> Thanks for letting me join and look forward to getting to know you.> christine> "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 8, 2009 dean just bought out Alpro for you UK/European folks..provamel and alpro soy products are now owned by one of the largest dairy producers/conglomerators in the world... yarrow Jul 8, 2009 2:49 PM Re: Re: new member Silk makes some of the best-tasting soymilk and soy yogurt here, and White Wave makes prepared soy products (marinated tofu, soy yogurt, tempeh, etc.). They started out as separate independent companies afaik. Sigh. I'll have to do some research. Aren't any (soy) food companies nonconglomerated? And am I going to have to make my own soy yogurt from non-GMO soybeans I grow myself? At 6:18 PM +0100 7/8/09, jo.heartwork wrote: ? For us in the UK - what are they? BBJo - fraggle Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:31 PM Re: Re: new member for me..yes... SIlk=White Wave = Dean foods is just the epitome of belezebub imo yarrowSent: Jul 8, 2009 12:46 AM Subject: Re: Re: new member Seriously? At 4:01 PM -0400 7/7/09, fraggle wrote: ew ew ew ew ew ewwwwww silk! yuck yuck yuck! *runs around ina circle flailing arms about higgledy piggledly* bad evil naughty vicious silk! ahem, ok, conniption fit is over "sarah.tomecek"Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: new member I personally love silk they have a Light option for original and vanilla and they also have flavors like chai and chocolate and eggnog in the holiday season, but there are many different types including milk replacers which don't need to be refrigerated (can be helpful to someone who doesn't have a bunch of fridge space left) Rice milk is much sweeter if that's what you're looking for but I'm not really sure which of these has the lowest fat :-/ hope I was somewhat helpful! , "damselfly40" <damselfly wrote:>> hello,> I just joined your group! My name is Christine and I live in Alaska with my husband and two teenage sons. I have been a vegetarian off and on since I was 18 and recently chose to try Vegan. My family is not vegetarian but they put up with me and my cooking! I do not have a love of cooking, so I am always looking for simple recipes.> It can be a challenge, especially in the winters to find fresh produce up here, but I try to always have fresh fruits and vegies in the house.> I have my first question, what is the best milk replacement? There seems to be so many rice, soy, oat and almond milks. I am trying to find one with the lowest fat content.> Thanks for letting me join and look forward to getting to know you.> christine> "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 8, 2009 Silk makes some of the best-tasting soymilk and soy yogurt here, and White Wave makes prepared soy products (marinated tofu, soy yogurt, tempeh, etc.). They started out as separate independent companies afaik. Sigh. I'll have to do some research. Aren't any (soy) food companies nonconglomerated? And am I going to have to make my own soy yogurt from non-GMO soybeans I grow myself? At 6:18 PM +0100 7/8/09, jo.heartwork wrote: ? For us in the UK - what are they? BB Jo - fraggle Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:31 PM Re: Re: new member for me..yes... SIlk=White Wave = Dean foods is just the epitome of belezebub imo yarrow Jul 8, 2009 12:46 AM Re: Re: new member Seriously? At 4:01 PM -0400 7/7/09, fraggle wrote: ew ew ew ew ew ewwwwww silk! yuck yuck yuck! *runs around ina circle flailing arms about higgledy piggledly* bad evil naughty vicious silk! ahem, ok, conniption fit is over " sarah.tomecek " Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM Re: new member I personally love silk they have a Light option for original and vanilla and they also have flavors like chai and chocolate and eggnog in the holiday season, but there are many different types including milk replacers which don't need to be refrigerated (can be helpful to someone who doesn't have a bunch of fridge space left) Rice milk is much sweeter if that's what you're looking for but I'm not really sure which of these has the lowest fat :-/ hope I was somewhat helpful! , " damselfly40 " <damselfly wrote: > > hello, > I just joined your group! My name is Christine and I live in Alaska with my husband and two teenage sons. I have been a vegetarian off and on since I was 18 and recently chose to try Vegan. My family is not vegetarian but they put up with me and my cooking! I do not have a love of cooking, so I am always looking for simple recipes. > It can be a challenge, especially in the winters to find fresh produce up here, but I try to always have fresh fruits and vegies in the house. > I have my first question, what is the best milk replacement? There seems to be so many rice, soy, oat and almond milks. I am trying to find one with the lowest fat content. > Thanks for letting me join and look forward to getting to know you. > christine > " Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me. " " Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 8, 2009 Thanks. I think I have heard of White Wave. Most of our soy milk and quite a lot of the tofu is non-gm here, thankfully. Jo - yarrow Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:49 PM Re: Re: new member Silk makes some of the best-tasting soymilk and soy yogurt here, and White Wave makes prepared soy products (marinated tofu, soy yogurt, tempeh, etc.). They started out as separate independent companies afaik. Sigh. I'll have to do some research. Aren't any (soy) food companies nonconglomerated? And am I going to have to make my own soy yogurt from non-GMO soybeans I grow myself? At 6:18 PM +0100 7/8/09, jo.heartwork wrote: ? For us in the UK - what are they? BBJo - fraggle Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:31 PM Re: Re: new member for me..yes... SIlk=White Wave = Dean foods is just the epitome of belezebub imo yarrowSent: Jul 8, 2009 12:46 AM Subject: Re: Re: new member Seriously? At 4:01 PM -0400 7/7/09, fraggle wrote: ew ew ew ew ew ewwwwww silk! yuck yuck yuck! *runs around ina circle flailing arms about higgledy piggledly* bad evil naughty vicious silk! ahem, ok, conniption fit is over "sarah.tomecek"Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: new member I personally love silk they have a Light option for original and vanilla and they also have flavors like chai and chocolate and eggnog in the holiday season, but there are many different types including milk replacers which don't need to be refrigerated (can be helpful to someone who doesn't have a bunch of fridge space left) Rice milk is much sweeter if that's what you're looking for but I'm not really sure which of these has the lowest fat :-/ hope I was somewhat helpful! , "damselfly40" <damselfly wrote:>> hello,> I just joined your group! My name is Christine and I live in Alaska with my husband and two teenage sons. I have been a vegetarian off and on since I was 18 and recently chose to try Vegan. My family is not vegetarian but they put up with me and my cooking! I do not have a love of cooking, so I am always looking for simple recipes.> It can be a challenge, especially in the winters to find fresh produce up here, but I try to always have fresh fruits and vegies in the house.> I have my first question, what is the best milk replacement? There seems to be so many rice, soy, oat and almond milks. I am trying to find one with the lowest fat content.> Thanks for letting me join and look forward to getting to know you.> christine> "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 8, 2009  Oh dear. Does that mean they will start putting gm soya in it,I wonder! I don't know if there is any other make to get - I haven't seen Plamil for quite a while, and I guess Tesco etc. all come from the same supplier.# Jo - fraggle Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:41 PM Re: Re: new member dean just bought out Alpro for you UK/European folks..provamel and alpro soy products are now owned by one of the largest dairy producers/conglomerators in the world... yarrow Jul 8, 2009 2:49 PM Re: Re: new member Silk makes some of the best-tasting soymilk and soy yogurt here, and White Wave makes prepared soy products (marinated tofu, soy yogurt, tempeh, etc.). They started out as separate independent companies afaik. Sigh. I'll have to do some research. Aren't any (soy) food companies nonconglomerated? And am I going to have to make my own soy yogurt from non-GMO soybeans I grow myself? At 6:18 PM +0100 7/8/09, jo.heartwork wrote: ? For us in the UK - what are they? BBJo - fraggle Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:31 PM Re: Re: new member for me..yes... SIlk=White Wave = Dean foods is just the epitome of belezebub imo yarrowSent: Jul 8, 2009 12:46 AM Subject: Re: Re: new member Seriously? At 4:01 PM -0400 7/7/09, fraggle wrote: ew ew ew ew ew ewwwwww silk! yuck yuck yuck! *runs around ina circle flailing arms about higgledy piggledly* bad evil naughty vicious silk! ahem, ok, conniption fit is over "sarah.tomecek"Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: new member I personally love silk they have a Light option for original and vanilla and they also have flavors like chai and chocolate and eggnog in the holiday season, but there are many different types including milk replacers which don't need to be refrigerated (can be helpful to someone who doesn't have a bunch of fridge space left) Rice milk is much sweeter if that's what you're looking for but I'm not really sure which of these has the lowest fat :-/ hope I was somewhat helpful! , "damselfly40" <damselfly wrote:>> hello,> I just joined your group! My name is Christine and I live in Alaska with my husband and two teenage sons. I have been a vegetarian off and on since I was 18 and recently chose to try Vegan. My family is not vegetarian but they put up with me and my cooking! I do not have a love of cooking, so I am always looking for simple recipes.> It can be a challenge, especially in the winters to find fresh produce up here, but I try to always have fresh fruits and vegies in the house.> I have my first question, what is the best milk replacement? There seems to be so many rice, soy, oat and almond milks. I am trying to find one with the lowest fat content.> Thanks for letting me join and look forward to getting to know you.> christine> "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Most of the soy products here are made from organically grown soybeans, which cannot (if they're telling the truth) be gm. I assume the EU/UK have even more stringent regs on gm? So to avoid gm soy, buy organic. At 11:10 PM +0100 7/8/09, jo.heartwork wrote: ? Oh dear. Does that mean they will start putting gm soya in it,I wonder! I don't know if there is any other make to get - I haven't seen Plamil for quite a while, and I guess Tesco etc. all come from the same supplier.# Jo - fraggle Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:41 PM Re: Re: new member dean just bought out Alpro for you UK/European folks..provamel and alpro soy products are now owned by one of the largest dairy producers/conglomerators in the world... yarrow Jul 8, 2009 2:49 PM Re: Re: new member Silk makes some of the best-tasting soymilk and soy yogurt here, and White Wave makes prepared soy products (marinated tofu, soy yogurt, tempeh, etc.). They started out as separate independent companies afaik. Sigh. I'll have to do some research. Aren't any (soy) food companies nonconglomerated? And am I going to have to make my own soy yogurt from non-GMO soybeans I grow myself? At 6:18 PM +0100 7/8/09, jo.heartwork wrote: ? For us in the UK - what are they? BB Jo - fraggle Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:31 PM Re: Re: new member for me..yes... SIlk=White Wave = Dean foods is just the epitome of belezebub imo yarrow Jul 8, 2009 12:46 AM Re: Re: new member Seriously? At 4:01 PM -0400 7/7/09, fraggle wrote: ew ew ew ew ew ewwwwww silk! yuck yuck yuck! *runs around ina circle flailing arms about higgledy piggledly* bad evil naughty vicious silk! ahem, ok, conniption fit is over " sarah.tomecek " Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM Re: new member I personally love silk they have a Light option for original and vanilla and they also have flavors like chai and chocolate and eggnog in the holiday season, but there are many different types including milk replacers which don't need to be refrigerated (can be helpful to someone who doesn't have a bunch of fridge space left) Rice milk is much sweeter if that's what you're looking for but I'm not really sure which of these has the lowest fat :-/ hope I was somewhat helpful! , " damselfly40 " <damselfly wrote: > > hello, > I just joined your group! My name is Christine and I live in Alaska with my husband and two teenage sons. I have been a vegetarian off and on since I was 18 and recently chose to try Vegan. My family is not vegetarian but they put up with me and my cooking! I do not have a love of cooking, so I am always looking for simple recipes. > It can be a challenge, especially in the winters to find fresh produce up here, but I try to always have fresh fruits and vegies in the house. > I have my first question, what is the best milk replacement? There seems to be so many rice, soy, oat and almond milks. I am trying to find one with the lowest fat content. > Thanks for letting me join and look forward to getting to know you. > christine > " Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me. " " Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me. " " Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 actually, silk just came out with a nice new line up, which they label "natural" nice happy sounding word... it doesn't mean diddily squat. it looks EXACTLY like the organic packaging, just re-branded as "natural". so, your soymilk from china and brazil can be chock full of gm and pesticides and herbicides and what every else they decide to toss in better living thru chemistrt sorry, but Dean foods is one of my demons yarrow Jul 8, 2009 7:32 PM Re: Re: new member Most of the soy products here are made from organically grown soybeans, which cannot (if they're telling the truth) be gm. I assume the EU/UK have even more stringent regs on gm? So to avoid gm soy, buy organic. At 11:10 PM +0100 7/8/09, jo.heartwork wrote: ? Oh dear. Does that mean they will start putting gm soya in it,I wonder! I don't know if there is any other make to get - I haven't seen Plamil for quite a while, and I guess Tesco etc. all come from the same supplier.# Jo - fraggle Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:41 PM Re: Re: new member dean just bought out Alpro for you UK/European folks..provamel and alpro soy products are now owned by one of the largest dairy producers/conglomerators in the world... yarrowSent: Jul 8, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Re: new member Silk makes some of the best-tasting soymilk and soy yogurt here, and White Wave makes prepared soy products (marinated tofu, soy yogurt, tempeh, etc.). They started out as separate independent companies afaik. Sigh. I'll have to do some research. Aren't any (soy) food companies nonconglomerated? And am I going to have to make my own soy yogurt from non-GMO soybeans I grow myself? At 6:18 PM +0100 7/8/09, jo.heartwork wrote: ? For us in the UK - what are they? BBJo - fraggle Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:31 PM Re: Re: new member for me..yes... SIlk=White Wave = Dean foods is just the epitome of belezebub imo yarrowSent: Jul 8, 2009 12:46 AM Subject: Re: Re: new member Seriously? At 4:01 PM -0400 7/7/09, fraggle wrote: ew ew ew ew ew ewwwwww silk! yuck yuck yuck! *runs around ina circle flailing arms about higgledy piggledly* bad evil naughty vicious silk! ahem, ok, conniption fit is over "sarah.tomecek"Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: new member I personally love silk they have a Light option for original and vanilla and they also have flavors like chai and chocolate and eggnog in the holiday season, but there are many different types including milk replacers which don't need to be refrigerated (can be helpful to someone who doesn't have a bunch of fridge space left) Rice milk is much sweeter if that's what you're looking for but I'm not really sure which of these has the lowest fat :-/ hope I was somewhat helpful! , "damselfly40" <damselfly wrote:>> hello,> I just joined your group! My name is Christine and I live in Alaska with my husband and two teenage sons. I have been a vegetarian off and on since I was 18 and recently chose to try Vegan. My family is not vegetarian but they put up with me and my cooking! I do not have a love of cooking, so I am always looking for simple recipes.> It can be a challenge, especially in the winters to find fresh produce up here, but I try to always have fresh fruits and vegies in the house.> I have my first question, what is the best milk replacement? There seems to be so many rice, soy, oat and almond milks. I am trying to find one with the lowest fat content.> Thanks for letting me join and look forward to getting to know you.> christine> "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 i've resisted a long rant here on dean... but, as for soy products not made by some big corp. locally here in the bay area there's Hodo and the Quong Hop Co, which makes the Soy Deli line of Tofu. both are organic. used to find Small Planet tofu around here, they are from Washington i believe. they made amazing tofu, but haven't seen it in a long time. Rainbow in SF was the last place i saw carrying it. yarrow Jul 8, 2009 2:49 PM Re: Re: new member Silk makes some of the best-tasting soymilk and soy yogurt here, and White Wave makes prepared soy products (marinated tofu, soy yogurt, tempeh, etc.). They started out as separate independent companies afaik. Sigh. I'll have to do some research. Aren't any (soy) food companies nonconglomerated? And am I going to have to make my own soy yogurt from non-GMO soybeans I grow myself? At 6:18 PM +0100 7/8/09, jo.heartwork wrote: ? For us in the UK - what are they? BBJo - fraggle Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:31 PM Re: Re: new member for me..yes... SIlk=White Wave = Dean foods is just the epitome of belezebub imo yarrowSent: Jul 8, 2009 12:46 AM Subject: Re: Re: new member Seriously? At 4:01 PM -0400 7/7/09, fraggle wrote: ew ew ew ew ew ewwwwww silk! yuck yuck yuck! *runs around ina circle flailing arms about higgledy piggledly* bad evil naughty vicious silk! ahem, ok, conniption fit is over "sarah.tomecek"Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: new member I personally love silk they have a Light option for original and vanilla and they also have flavors like chai and chocolate and eggnog in the holiday season, but there are many different types including milk replacers which don't need to be refrigerated (can be helpful to someone who doesn't have a bunch of fridge space left) Rice milk is much sweeter if that's what you're looking for but I'm not really sure which of these has the lowest fat :-/ hope I was somewhat helpful! , "damselfly40" <damselfly wrote:>> hello,> I just joined your group! My name is Christine and I live in Alaska with my husband and two teenage sons. I have been a vegetarian off and on since I was 18 and recently chose to try Vegan. My family is not vegetarian but they put up with me and my cooking! I do not have a love of cooking, so I am always looking for simple recipes.> It can be a challenge, especially in the winters to find fresh produce up here, but I try to always have fresh fruits and vegies in the house.> I have my first question, what is the best milk replacement? There seems to be so many rice, soy, oat and almond milks. I am trying to find one with the lowest fat content.> Thanks for letting me join and look forward to getting to know you.> christine> "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 ask and you shall recieve there are several, but, here's a good one http://www.cornucopia.org/ http://www.cornucopia.org/who-owns-organic/ of course, its almost impossible to keep up with...(like morningstar, which used to be kellogg, and is now Dean) as for soy yoghurt...sorry, no easy/quick answers from me. i don't eat it, so never really paid much attention yarrow Jul 8, 2009 9:12 PM Re: Re: new member I could live without tofu, but what about soy yogurt? And soy/rice/coco ice cream? Have they been bought out as well? Is there some watchdog organization that lists who owns which formerly organic vegan food company? Though I have tried Hodo tofu and it's wonderful, not a word I thought could apply to tofu. At 7:50 PM -0400 7/8/09, fraggle wrote: i've resisted a long rant here on dean... but, as for soy products not made by some big corp. locally here in the bay area there's Hodo and the Quong Hop Co, which makes the Soy Deli line of Tofu. both are organic. used to find Small Planet tofu around here, they are from Washington i believe. they made amazing tofu, but haven't seen it in a long time. Rainbow in SF was the last place i saw carrying it. yarrowSent: Jul 8, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Re: new member Silk makes some of the best-tasting soymilk and soy yogurt here, and White Wave makes prepared soy products (marinated tofu, soy yogurt, tempeh, etc.). They started out as separate independent companies afaik. Sigh. I'll have to do some research. Aren't any (soy) food companies nonconglomerated? And am I going to have to make my own soy yogurt from non-GMO soybeans I grow myself? At 6:18 PM +0100 7/8/09, jo.heartwork wrote: ? For us in the UK - what are they? BBJo - fraggle Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:31 PM Re: Re: new member for me..yes... SIlk=White Wave = Dean foods is just the epitome of belezebub imo yarrowSent: Jul 8, 2009 12:46 AM Subject: Re: Re: new member Seriously? At 4:01 PM -0400 7/7/09, fraggle wrote: ew ew ew ew ew ewwwwww silk! yuck yuck yuck! *runs around ina circle flailing arms about higgledy piggledly* bad evil naughty vicious silk! ahem, ok, conniption fit is over "sarah.tomecek"Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: new member I personally love silk they have a Light option for original and vanilla and they also have flavors like chai and chocolate and eggnog in the holiday season, but there are many different types including milk replacers which don't need to be refrigerated (can be helpful to someone who doesn't have a bunch of fridge space left) Rice milk is much sweeter if that's what you're looking for but I'm not really sure which of these has the lowest fat :-/ hope I was somewhat helpful! , "damselfly40" <damselfly wrote:>> hello,> I just joined your group! My name is Christine and I live in Alaska with my husband and two teenage sons. I have been a vegetarian off and on since I was 18 and recently chose to try Vegan. My family is not vegetarian but they put up with me and my cooking! I do not have a love of cooking, so I am always looking for simple recipes.> It can be a challenge, especially in the winters to find fresh produce up here, but I try to always have fresh fruits and vegies in the house.> I have my first question, what is the best milk replacement? There seems to be so many rice, soy, oat and almond milks. I am trying to find one with the lowest fat content.> Thanks for letting me join and look forward to getting to know you.> christine> "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 I could live without tofu, but what about soy yogurt? And soy/rice/coco ice cream? Have they been bought out as well? Is there some watchdog organization that lists who owns which formerly organic vegan food company? Though I have tried Hodo tofu and it's wonderful, not a word I thought could apply to tofu. At 7:50 PM -0400 7/8/09, fraggle wrote: i've resisted a long rant here on dean... but, as for soy products not made by some big corp. locally here in the bay area there's Hodo and the Quong Hop Co, which makes the Soy Deli line of Tofu. both are organic. used to find Small Planet tofu around here, they are from Washington i believe. they made amazing tofu, but haven't seen it in a long time. Rainbow in SF was the last place i saw carrying it. yarrow Jul 8, 2009 2:49 PM Re: Re: new member Silk makes some of the best-tasting soymilk and soy yogurt here, and White Wave makes prepared soy products (marinated tofu, soy yogurt, tempeh, etc.). They started out as separate independent companies afaik. Sigh. I'll have to do some research. Aren't any (soy) food companies nonconglomerated? And am I going to have to make my own soy yogurt from non-GMO soybeans I grow myself? At 6:18 PM +0100 7/8/09, jo.heartwork wrote: ? For us in the UK - what are they? BB Jo - fraggle Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:31 PM Re: Re: new member for me..yes... SIlk=White Wave = Dean foods is just the epitome of belezebub imo yarrow Jul 8, 2009 12:46 AM Re: Re: new member Seriously? At 4:01 PM -0400 7/7/09, fraggle wrote: ew ew ew ew ew ewwwwww silk! yuck yuck yuck! *runs around ina circle flailing arms about higgledy piggledly* bad evil naughty vicious silk! ahem, ok, conniption fit is over " sarah.tomecek " Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM Re: new member I personally love silk they have a Light option for original and vanilla and they also have flavors like chai and chocolate and eggnog in the holiday season, but there are many different types including milk replacers which don't need to be refrigerated (can be helpful to someone who doesn't have a bunch of fridge space left) Rice milk is much sweeter if that's what you're looking for but I'm not really sure which of these has the lowest fat :-/ hope I was somewhat helpful! , " damselfly40 " <damselfly wrote: > > hello, > I just joined your group! My name is Christine and I live in Alaska with my husband and two teenage sons. I have been a vegetarian off and on since I was 18 and recently chose to try Vegan. My family is not vegetarian but they put up with me and my cooking! I do not have a love of cooking, so I am always looking for simple recipes. > It can be a challenge, especially in the winters to find fresh produce up here, but I try to always have fresh fruits and vegies in the house. > I have my first question, what is the best milk replacement? There seems to be so many rice, soy, oat and almond milks. I am trying to find one with the lowest fat content. > Thanks for letting me join and look forward to getting to know you. > christine > " Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me. " " Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me. " " Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me. " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Hi Yarrow Unfortnuately we have silly organic rules in the UK... soy milk can not be classed as organis if it is fortified with any vitamins... therefore soy milk with B12 added can not be labelled as organic, even if all the ingredients are organic! Upshot is, we have to choose between organic and fortified... BB Peter - yarrow Thursday, July 09, 2009 12:32 AM Re: Re: new member Most of the soy products here are made from organically grown soybeans, which cannot (if they're telling the truth) be gm. I assume the EU/UK have even more stringent regs on gm? So to avoid gm soy, buy organic. At 11:10 PM +0100 7/8/09, jo.heartwork wrote: ? Oh dear. Does that mean they will start putting gm soya in it,I wonder! I don't know if there is any other make to get - I haven't seen Plamil for quite a while, and I guess Tesco etc. all come from the same supplier.# Jo - fraggle Wednesday, July 08, 2009 7:41 PM Re: Re: new member dean just bought out Alpro for you UK/European folks..provamel and alpro soy products are now owned by one of the largest dairy producers/conglomerators in the world... yarrowSent: Jul 8, 2009 2:49 PM Subject: Re: Re: new member Silk makes some of the best-tasting soymilk and soy yogurt here, and White Wave makes prepared soy products (marinated tofu, soy yogurt, tempeh, etc.). They started out as separate independent companies afaik. Sigh. I'll have to do some research. Aren't any (soy) food companies nonconglomerated? And am I going to have to make my own soy yogurt from non-GMO soybeans I grow myself? At 6:18 PM +0100 7/8/09, jo.heartwork wrote: ? For us in the UK - what are they? BBJo - fraggle Wednesday, July 08, 2009 5:31 PM Re: Re: new member for me..yes... SIlk=White Wave = Dean foods is just the epitome of belezebub imo yarrowSent: Jul 8, 2009 12:46 AM Subject: Re: Re: new member Seriously? At 4:01 PM -0400 7/7/09, fraggle wrote: ew ew ew ew ew ewwwwww silk! yuck yuck yuck! *runs around ina circle flailing arms about higgledy piggledly* bad evil naughty vicious silk! ahem, ok, conniption fit is over "sarah.tomecek"Jul 7, 2009 1:23 PM Subject: Re: new member I personally love silk they have a Light option for original and vanilla and they also have flavors like chai and chocolate and eggnog in the holiday season, but there are many different types including milk replacers which don't need to be refrigerated (can be helpful to someone who doesn't have a bunch of fridge space left) Rice milk is much sweeter if that's what you're looking for but I'm not really sure which of these has the lowest fat :-/ hope I was somewhat helpful! , "damselfly40" <damselfly wrote:>> hello,> I just joined your group! My name is Christine and I live in Alaska with my husband and two teenage sons. I have been a vegetarian off and on since I was 18 and recently chose to try Vegan. My family is not vegetarian but they put up with me and my cooking! I do not have a love of cooking, so I am always looking for simple recipes.> It can be a challenge, especially in the winters to find fresh produce up here, but I try to always have fresh fruits and vegies in the house.> I have my first question, what is the best milk replacement? There seems to be so many rice, soy, oat and almond milks. I am trying to find one with the lowest fat content.> Thanks for letting me join and look forward to getting to know you.> christine> "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." "Hobbes: Do you think there's a God? Calvin: Well, SOMEBODY'S out to get me." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2009 Hi Patricia Welcome to the group. Just ask away and there will most likely be someone here who can help. Which country are you in , Patricia <moondreamer64_2000 wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > My name is Patricia and although I've been a vegetarian for 22 years, I'd like to become a vegan, but I'm sure there's much I need to know. I know what veganism is, but putting it into practice is a little difficult. I hope you'll give me tips and suggestions. > > Thanks, > > Patricia > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2009 >>>> Hi Everyone, My name is Patricia and although I've been a vegetarian for 22 years, I'd like to become a vegan, but I'm sure there's much I need to know. I know what veganism is, but putting it into practice is a little difficult. I hope you'll give me tips and suggestions. <<<< Hi, Patricia. That's my name, too! Though I shorten it to Trish. I'm a also a longtime vegetarian, and I transitioned into a vegan in the past few months. I've probably run into some of the same difficulties. Mainly, I had problems with dairy. Milk and ice cream was easy to give up. Soy and nut milks are tasty, and soy ice cream is marvelous. Yogurt took a little longer because I had to acquire a taste for soy yogurt, but it was also not much of a problem. I found cheezy vegan sauces were just fine, and could make a decent mac and cheese or drizzle something over nachos without much fuss. The biggest stumbling block for me was solid cheese. Well, vegan parmesan substitutes are good. But cheddars and jacks and such, not so much. I haven't found a good vegan substitute for solid cheeses. (There are rumors now about a good tapioca-based product, but it's not widely available yet.) In the meantime, I just changed the focus of my diet to get around the cheese issue. For instance, I make tacos and taco salads without cheese and use avocados instead. Feta, gorgonzola and blue cheeses I just do without. That can be challenging. I just had to keep remembering why becoming vegan was important to get past that. For me, it's an environmental issue. Animal agriculture is terrible for putting CO2 into the atmosphere. Why don't you share some of the problems you're encountering? There are many different perspectives on this list that you might find helpful. Cheers, Trish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 20, 2009 Hi Patrica - welcome to Vegan Chat. I am sure people will be helpful. Jo - Patricia Monday, July 20, 2009 6:21 AM New Member Hi Everyone,My name is Patricia and although I've been a vegetarian for 22 years, I'd like to become a vegan, but I'm sure there's much I need to know. I know what veganism is, but putting it into practice is a little difficult. I hope you'll give me tips and suggestions.Thanks,Patricia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted July 21, 2009 Sorry about the double welcome Patricia - I thought the first had not appeared!!! Jo , " jo.heartwork " <jo.heartwork wrote: > > Hi Patrica - welcome to Vegan Chat. I am sure people will be helpful. > > Jo > > - > Patricia > > Monday, July 20, 2009 6:21 AM > New Member > > > Hi Everyone, > My name is Patricia and although I've been a vegetarian for 22 years, I'd like to become a vegan, but I'm sure there's much I need to know. I know what veganism is, but putting it into practice is a little difficult. I hope you'll give me tips and suggestions. > > Thanks, > > Patricia > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 10, 2009 Welcome to the group. I'm also from Ohio. Glad to have you here. Hugs, Mindy , Debbie Gill <noodlesurus wrote: > > Hi! My name is Debbie I'm 36. I've been a vegetarian for going on 8 months now and love to try new recipes. > > I'm married and a mother of 5 boys. I am also a part time collage kid. I am from Ohio, USA Thank you for allowing me to join your group! > > >  Crockpot Enchilada Casserole > > 3 1/3 cups canned crushed tomatoes, in tomato purée > 1 2/3 cups chunky style prepared salsa > 6 oz. tomato paste > 2 lbs. canned black beans, rinsed and drained > 1 lb. corn kernels, thawed if frozen > 1/4 lb. canned diced mild green chilies, drained > 1 1/2 tbsp. ground cumin > 1/2 tsp. garlic powder > 5 corn tortillas > 2 oz. olive slices, drained > > Combine first 8 ingredients in a bowl. Mix thoroughly. Pour about 1 cup of > mixture into the bottom of an electric crockpot on low heat. Spread evenly and > top with 1-1/2 tortillas, cutting to fit pot. Spread 1/3 of remaining tomato > mixture over top. > Repeat layering process, ending with tomato mixture. Spread top evenly. > Sprinkle with olives. Cover and cook about 5 hours. Serve hot. > Makes 5 servings. > >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  >  > “If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace.†> > > ~John Lennon~ > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 23, 2009 Hi Shelley and Welcome-Don't worry, you will learn from experience. And the folks on this forum have some wonderful recipes to share. When you are using tofu, just remember that it really takes on the flavors of whatever spices or seasonings that you are using with it. By itself, it is a little bland. My family still will not let me live down the tofu cheesecake I made for a Thanksgiving feast. You will even have fun becoming a Veggie.) Good luck. Carolyn in Texas , " shelley.rodgers " <shelley.rodgers wrote: > > Hi my name is Shelley and I am new to your group. I want to learn to cook vegetarian for my health. I do not know how to do this. I used to cook with lard then changed to canola, and I thought this was hard. Now I am on a journey to learn how to cook healthy vegetarian, if I can manage this I will be a very happy person. I usually use a crock pot due to me being extremely busy but I am ready to try easy dishes. I also have tried tofu, I am sure it is because I don't know how to cook this but my was is nasty. Any helpful tips would be appreciated. > Here is my recipe which is really pretty good. I don't know how healthy the ingredients are. This is why I asked to join your group. > Shelley > > > Yummy Chai Tea Mix > > > 2 tablespoons > 2 teaspoons nonfat dry milk powder > 2 tablespoons and 2 teaspoons powdered non-dairy creamer > 2 tablespoons and 2 teaspoons French vanilla flavored powdered non-dairy creamer > 1/3 cup and 1 tablespoon and 1 teaspoon white sugar > 1/4 cup unsweetened instant tea > 1/4 teaspoon ground ginger > 1/4 teaspoon ground cinnamon > 1/8 teaspoon ground cloves > 1/8 teaspoon ground cardamom > > You can change the French vanilla creamer and use 2 tsp vanilla extract instead, just mix into the sugar and let it dry then crumble the sugar. > Mix ingredients in a blender until it is the consistency of fine powder. > > To serve: Stir 2 heaping tablespoons Chai tea mixture into a mug of hot water or ice cold milk. Serves 6 > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 12, 2009 , " Kate " <bitzn1 wrote: > > Hi all > > I have just joined this group, here's a little about myself > > I am retired, widowed with 2 children and 8 grandchildren, > I live in London UK. I have been a vegetarian for around 55 years now, as a > child I would eat all my vegetables and leave the meat and fish, I just don > t like the taste of it! > > I am the only vegetarian in the family although my children and > grandchildren quite enjoy eating veggie meals when they visit and do include > some of these in their meals at home > > I am trying to lose weight so am always trying to find low cal/low fat > recipes. I have a few I will share with you all and hope to collect some > more > > Looking forward to getting to know you all > > Kate > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 1, 2009 Hello there, Kate, I'm in Chester, UK and have been a veggie for about 40 years and vegan for 35. My kids are veggie and so is my grandson but then he's only 9 months old. Not much into recipes as I'm a stick in the mud and tend to stick to a tried dozen or so meals I enjoy. Best Geoff http://geoffnelder.com , " Kate " <bitzn1 wrote: > > Hi all > > I have just joined this group, here's a little about myself > > I am retired, widowed with 2 children and 8 grandchildren, > I live in London UK. I have been a vegetarian for around 55 years now, as a > child I would eat all my vegetables and leave the meat and fish, I just don > t like the taste of it! > > I am the only vegetarian in the family although my children and > grandchildren quite enjoy eating veggie meals when they visit and do include > some of these in their meals at home > > I am trying to lose weight so am always trying to find low cal/low fat > recipes. I have a few I will share with you all and hope to collect some > more > > Looking forward to getting to know you all > > Kate > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 8, 2009 Welcome katiejayinpa! (Sorry, you didn't supply your name yet!) :-) Thank you for filling out our questionnaire below! Cindi VEGETARIAN SLIMMING MEMBERSHIP QUESTIONNAIRE Please tell us a little about yourself so we can know you a bit better: *Are you vegetarian, vegan or neither? I am a vegetarian but not a vegan. *Are you looking to lose weight? Yes....and to find a way to really put some regular eating habits in place. *Where do you live? Are you the only vegetarian in your household? Etc. In Western Pa. and it's just me and the dog....i don't think he's a vegetarian. *What do you hope to gain out of our group? Healthy recipes?/ moral support/information *Have you been a member of Vegetarian Slimming in the past? No *Do you have tasty low fat recipes to share? :-) It's ok if you don't, of course! Sort of....i have some that I've collected, and I just made a savory bread pudding, that is not low in fat per se, but is not high in fat either....and you don't eat much of it at a time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Hi, Michael!Let me say that I'm probably the one on this list who UNDERSTANDS. My wealthy family growing up REQUIRED the eating of big, juicy steaks and burgers on a daily basis. To this day, the primitive/early childhood part of my brain equates the smell of juicy steaks cooking with childhood and happier times. This still throws me for a loop from time to time. I realized while traveling this Vegan journey that if I wanted to STAY Vegan, deciding to forego any animal products was only the first step. Educating myself about the evil that is meat/poultry/pork/dairy farming-with all of its nasty issues- was the required 2nd step. Don't get me wrong-I still backslide, but I view it much like an addiction that I need to work my way out of. There are meat analogues around too that I actually like, like Match Meats in St. Louis, Missouri if you are in the States, but I think you are in Australia? Warning-some of my dear Vegan friends on this list may react strongly to the concept of meat analogues, and I listen to them as well. But, be gentle with yourself, as becoming Vegan is a journey.Oh, and by the way, if I am ever unsure about eating something, I just ask the fragglemeister, and do exactly as fraggle instructs. 8)CynSent via BlackBerry by AT&T Michael Giles <michaelgilesThu, 12 Nov 2009 11:58:42 -0600 New Member Hello Everyone!I have recently joined your ranks as a vegan and the primary reason that I want to join this email group is so I can find out from you more about how I can really enjoy being vegan and therefore stay that way!Some challenges I foresee:My wife and daughter both eat meat and so I'm gonna be seeing meat around me and perhaps some days even thinking it looks tasty. While I see merit in the idea of getting them to also go vegan, for now, at least, I'll respect their wishes and be the only vegan in the house. How can I get to a place where I feel perfectly satisfied eating the vegan portions of our meals while they're chowing down on chicken tenders?I have made intentional changes to my diet in the past, and some of the changes have not lasted. In 2002, I was living vegan, but then I moved to a country without central heating and I met my wife. The prospect of meat warming me combined with the fact that my wife was a meat-eater got me eating meat again about a year and a half later. How can I now stay vegan? How can I make it so this is not another thing I'm "trying out", but instead something I'll really follow through with?Non-vegan food is convenient here in TX. It's prepared and tasty and available in a minute for a couple of bucks. How can I make a vegan lifestyle a natural and convenient one?One idea I have is to join some local vegan clubs. I think that a sense of community with people I have things in common with will really help me own the identity. I'd be really appreciative of any other ideas.Thanks so much! Michael From: moondreamer64_2000 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:43:34 -0800Re: Jam Suet Pudding What is vegetable suet?Patricia--- On Thu, 11/12/09, elizabeth vincent <charlottesometimes88.uk> wrote:elizabeth vincent <charlottesometimes88.uk> Jam Suet Pudding Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:09 AMOMG what a terrible recipe to have! And I mean that in the best way possible! Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Oh, and by the way, if I am ever unsure about eating something, I just ask the fragglemeister, and do exactly as fraggle instructs.oh, thanx put me on the spot why dontcha!!! cyn Nov 12, 2009 2:51 PM Re: New Member Hi, Michael!Let me say that I'm probably the one on this list who UNDERSTANDS. My wealthy family growing up REQUIRED the eating of big, juicy steaks and burgers on a daily basis. To this day, the primitive/early childhood part of my brain equates the smell of juicy steaks cooking with childhood and happier times. This still throws me for a loop from time to time. I realized while traveling this Vegan journey that if I wanted to STAY Vegan, deciding to forego any animal products was only the first step. Educating myself about the evil that is meat/poultry/pork/dairy farming-with all of its nasty issues- was the required 2nd step. Don't get me wrong-I still backslide, but I view it much like an addiction that I need to work my way out of. There are meat analogues around too that I actually like, like Match Meats in St. Louis, Missouri if you are in the States, but I think you are in Australia? Warning-some of my dear Vegan friends on this list may react strongly to the concept of meat analogues, and I listen to them as well. But, be gentle with yourself, as becoming Vegan is a journey.Oh, and by the way, if I am ever unsure about eating something, I just ask the fragglemeister, and do exactly as fraggle instructs. 8)Cyn Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T Michael Giles <michaelgiles (AT) live (DOT) com> Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:58:42 -0600 New Member Hello Everyone! I have recently joined your ranks as a vegan and the primary reason that I want to join this email group is so I can find out from you more about how I can really enjoy being vegan and therefore stay that way! Some challenges I foresee: My wife and daughter both eat meat and so I'm gonna be seeing meat around me and perhaps some days even thinking it looks tasty. While I see merit in the idea of getting them to also go vegan, for now, at least, I'll respect their wishes and be the only vegan in the house. How can I get to a place where I feel perfectly satisfied eating the vegan portions of our meals while they're chowing down on chicken tenders? I have made intentional changes to my diet in the past, and some of the changes have not lasted. In 2002, I was living vegan, but then I moved to a country without central heating and I met my wife. The prospect of meat warming me combined with the fact that my wife was a meat-eater got me eating meat again about a year and a half later. How can I now stay vegan? How can I make it so this is not another thing I'm "trying out", but instead something I'll really follow through with? Non-vegan food is convenient here in TX. It's prepared and tasty and available in a minute for a couple of bucks. How can I make a vegan lifestyle a natural and convenient one? One idea I have is to join some local vegan clubs. I think that a sense of community with people I have things in common with will really help me own the identity. I'd be really appreciative of any other ideas. Thanks so much! Michael From: moondreamer64_2000 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:43:34 -0800Re: Jam Suet Pudding What is vegetable suet?Patricia--- On Thu, 11/12/09, elizabeth vincent <charlottesometimes88.uk> wrote: elizabeth vincent <charlottesometimes88.uk> Jam Suet Pudding Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:09 AM OMG what a terrible recipe to have! And I mean that in the best way possible! Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
