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hey there michael and welcome

first off if i may, i have a question

What are the reason(s) you became vegan? iwith that in hand, mayhaps i can, or we can, give you a satisfactory answer

:)

cheers

fraggle

Michael Giles Nov 12, 2009 12:58 PM New Member

 

 

 

Hello Everyone!

 

I have recently joined your ranks as a vegan and the primary reason that I want to join this email group is so I can find out from you more about how I can really enjoy being vegan and therefore stay that way!

 

Some challenges I foresee:

 

 

 

My wife and daughter both eat meat and so I'm gonna be seeing meat around me and perhaps some days even thinking it looks tasty. While I see merit in the idea of getting them to also go vegan, for now, at least, I'll respect their wishes and be the only vegan in the house. How can I get to a place where I feel perfectly satisfied eating the vegan portions of our meals while they're chowing down on chicken tenders?

I have made intentional changes to my diet in the past, and some of the changes have not lasted. In 2002, I was living vegan, but then I moved to a country without central heating and I met my wife. The prospect of meat warming me combined with the fact that my wife was a meat-eater got me eating meat again about a year and a half later. How can I now stay vegan? How can I make it so this is not another thing I'm "trying out", but instead something I'll really follow through with?

Non-vegan food is convenient here in TX. It's prepared and tasty and available in a minute for a couple of bucks. How can I make a vegan lifestyle a natural and convenient one?

One idea I have is to join some local vegan clubs. I think that a sense of community with people I have things in common with will really help me own the identity. I'd be really appreciative of any other ideas.

 

Thanks so much! Michael

 

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have you checked under the couch cushions? i always lose things there.......

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Hi Michael,From one 'newbie' to another...welcome. I only joined the other day as well so I'm trying to find my feet, so to speak :)Cheers,Lee

 

 

 

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Or behind the fridge?

 

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Hi Michael,

 

From one 'newbie' to another...welcome. I only joined the other day as well so

I'm trying to find my feet, so to speak :)

 

Cheers,

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Hi Michael, From one 'newbie' to another...welcome. I only joined the other day

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I became vegan mainly for health reasons, and for all the ways that being more healthy will strengthen other areas in my life.I found it hard to stay thin while I was in China over the last couple years, and this was probably a combination of the emphasis the people around me put on food and that I was eating just about everything.Over the last few weeks, I've found that avoiding wheat and dairy makes me feel better, but it's been hard to stick to that. I know that avoiding meat makes me feel better, and I'm thinking that becoming vegan will help me to stick to this new way of eating, partly because the diet comes with a philosophy and a community.Thanks for asking, Fraggle. Now, how do I make it stick? Michael From: EBbrewpunxDate: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:54:48 -0500Re: New Member

 

 

 

 

hey there michael and welcome

first off if i may, i have a question

What are the reason(s) you became vegan? iwith that in hand, mayhaps i can, or we can, give you a satisfactory answer

:)

cheers

fraggle

Michael Giles Nov 12, 2009 12:58 PM New Member

 

 

Hello Everyone!

 

I have recently joined your ranks as a vegan and the primary reason that I want to join this email group is so I can find out from you more about how I can really enjoy being vegan and therefore stay that way!

 

Some challenges I foresee:

 

 

 

My wife and daughter both eat meat and so I'm gonna be seeing meat around me and perhaps some days even thinking it looks tasty. While I see merit in the idea of getting them to also go vegan, for now, at least, I'll respect their wishes and be the only vegan in the house. How can I get to a place where I feel perfectly satisfied eating the vegan portions of our meals while they're chowing down on chicken tenders?

I have made intentional changes to my diet in the past, and some of the changes have not lasted. In 2002, I was living vegan, but then I moved to a country without central heating and I met my wife. The prospect of meat warming me combined with the fact that my wife was a meat-eater got me eating meat again about a year and a half later. How can I now stay vegan? How can I make it so this is not another thing I'm "trying out", but instead something I'll really follow through with?

Non-vegan food is convenient here in TX. It's prepared and tasty and available in a minute for a couple of bucks. How can I make a vegan lifestyle a natural and convenient one?

One idea I have is to join some local vegan clubs. I think that a sense of community with people I have things in common with will really help me own the identity. I'd be really appreciative of any other ideas.

 

Thanks so much! Michael

 

From: moondreamer64_2000 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:43:34 -0800Re: Jam Suet Pudding

 

 

 

 

 

What is vegetable suet?Patricia--- On Thu, 11/12/09, elizabeth vincent <charlottesometimes88.uk> wrote:

elizabeth vincent <charlottesometimes88.uk> Jam Suet Pudding Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:09 AM

 

 

 

 

OMG what a terrible recipe to have! And I mean that in the best way possible!

 

 

 

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I think it must be really hard to stay at it unless you actually feel sorry for the animals who die if you don't. We all like to be healthy, but still make many unwise choices in what we eat. I don't think wanting to be healthy is a strong enough feeling to make you stay vegan. Maybe you could try to think about it from different angles to see if you can persuade yourself that this is what you want to do.

 

When I was young I used to smoke. The only way to give up smoking is to really want to - if it is not what you 'really' want you won't do it. I think the same applies to any change in lifestyle. I think people give up eating animals for good when they have the "OMG - I can't take a life" moment.

 

Jo

 

 

 

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I became vegan mainly for health reasons, and for all the ways that being more healthy will strengthen other areas in my life.

 

I found it hard to stay thin while I was in China over the last couple years, and this was probably a combination of the emphasis the people around me put on food and that I was eating just about everything.

 

Over the last few weeks, I've found that avoiding wheat and dairy makes me feel better, but it's been hard to stick to that. I know that avoiding meat makes me feel better, and I'm thinking that becoming vegan will help me to stick to this new way of eating, partly because the diet comes with a philosophy and a community.

 

Thanks for asking, Fraggle. Now, how do I make it stick?

 

Michael

 

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hey there michael and welcomefirst off if i may, i have a questionWhat are the reason(s) you became vegan? iwith that in hand, mayhaps i can, or we can, give you a satisfactory answer:)cheersfraggle

Michael Giles Nov 12, 2009 12:58 PM New Member

 

Hello Everyone!

 

I have recently joined your ranks as a vegan and the primary reason that I want to join this email group is so I can find out from you more about how I can really enjoy being vegan and therefore stay that way!

 

Some challenges I foresee:

 

 

 

My wife and daughter both eat meat and so I'm gonna be seeing meat around me and perhaps some days even thinking it looks tasty. While I see merit in the idea of getting them to also go vegan, for now, at least, I'll respect their wishes and be the only vegan in the house. How can I get to a place where I feel perfectly satisfied eating the vegan portions of our meals while they're chowing down on chicken tenders? I have made intentional changes to my diet in the past, and some of the changes have not lasted. In 2002, I was living vegan, but then I moved to a country without central heating and I met my wife. The prospect of meat warming me combined with the fact that my wife was a meat-eater got me eating meat again about a year and a half later. How can I now stay vegan? How can I make it so this is not another thing I'm "trying out", but instead something I'll really follow through with? Non-vegan food is convenient here in TX. It's prepared and tasty and available in a minute for a couple of bucks. How can I make a vegan lifestyle a natural and convenient one?

One idea I have is to join some local vegan clubs. I think that a sense of community with people I have things in common with will really help me own the identity. I'd be really appreciative of any other ideas.

 

Thanks so much! Michael

 

From: moondreamer64_2000 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:43:34 -0800Re: Jam Suet Pudding

 

 

 

 

 

What is vegetable suet?Patricia--- On Thu, 11/12/09, elizabeth vincent <charlottesometimes88.uk> wrote:

elizabeth vincent <charlottesometimes88.uk> Jam Suet Pudding Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:09 AM

 

 

 

 

OMG what a terrible recipe to have! And I mean that in the best way possible!

 

 

 

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I totally agree with you Jo. You really need to have a good reason to change

your lifestyle. For me, it was that I don't need to eat meat to sustain my life.

I hate the idea of something having to die just so I can eat it. Much more out

there.

 

I'm sure Michael you'll find your way, it may just take time.

 

Best,

Lee

 

, " jo.heartwork " <jo.heartwork wrote:

>

> I think it must be really hard to stay at it unless you actually feel sorry

for the animals who die if you don't. We all like to be healthy, but still make

many unwise choices in what we eat. I don't think wanting to be healthy is a

strong enough feeling to make you stay vegan. Maybe you could try to think

about it from different angles to see if you can persuade yourself that this is

what you want to do.

>

> When I was young I used to smoke. The only way to give up smoking is to

really want to - if it is not what you 'really' want you won't do it. I think

the same applies to any change in lifestyle. I think people give up eating

animals for good when they have the " OMG - I can't take a life " moment.

>

> Jo

>

>

> -

> Michael Giles

>

> Friday, November 13, 2009 2:53 PM

> RE: New Member

>

>

>

> I became vegan mainly for health reasons, and for all the ways that being

more healthy will strengthen other areas in my life.

>

>

>

> I found it hard to stay thin while I was in China over the last couple

years, and this was probably a combination of the emphasis the people around me

put on food and that I was eating just about everything.

>

>

> Over the last few weeks, I've found that avoiding wheat and dairy makes me

feel better, but it's been hard to stick to that. I know that avoiding meat

makes me feel better, and I'm thinking that becoming vegan will help me to stick

to this new way of eating, partly because the diet comes with a philosophy and a

community.

>

>

> Thanks for asking, Fraggle. Now, how do I make it stick?

>

>

> Michael

>

>

>

 

>

> EBbrewpunx

> Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:54:48 -0500

> Re: New Member

>

>

>

> hey there michael and welcome

> first off if i may, i have a question

> What are the reason(s) you became vegan? iwith that in hand, mayhaps i can,

or we can, give you a satisfactory answer

> :)

> cheers

> fraggle

>

>

>

>

>

> Michael Giles

> Nov 12, 2009 12:58 PM

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> New Member

>

>

> Hello Everyone!

>

>

>

> I have recently joined your ranks as a vegan and the primary reason that I

want to join this email group is so I can find out from you more about how I can

really enjoy being vegan and therefore stay that way!

>

>

> Some challenges I foresee:

>

>

> a.. My wife and daughter both eat meat and so I'm gonna be seeing meat

around me and perhaps some days even thinking it looks tasty. While I see merit

in the idea of getting them to also go vegan, for now, at least, I'll respect

their wishes and be the only vegan in the house. How can I get to a place where

I feel perfectly satisfied eating the vegan portions of our meals while they're

chowing down on chicken tenders?

> b.. I have made intentional changes to my diet in the past, and some of

the changes have not lasted. In 2002, I was living vegan, but then I moved to a

country without central heating and I met my wife. The prospect of meat warming

me combined with the fact that my wife was a meat-eater got me eating meat again

about a year and a half later. How can I now stay vegan? How can I make it so

this is not another thing I'm " trying out " , but instead something I'll really

follow through with?

> c.. Non-vegan food is convenient here in TX. It's prepared and tasty

and available in a minute for a couple of bucks. How can I make a vegan

lifestyle a natural and convenient one?

>

>

> One idea I have is to join some local vegan clubs. I think that a sense

of community with people I have things in common with will really help me own

the identity. I'd be really appreciative of any other ideas.

>

>

> Thanks so much! Michael

>

>

>

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> Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:43:34 -0800

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> What is vegetable suet?

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> Patricia

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> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, elizabeth vincent <charlottesometimes88

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> elizabeth vincent <charlottesometimes88

> Jam Suet Pudding

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> Thursday, November 12, 2009, 6:09 AM

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> OMG what a terrible recipe to have! And I mean that in the

best way possible!

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Jo, I agree with you completely. I became vegetarian many, many years ago because I did not want to take a life but I carried on eating eggs and dairy. I became vegan when I married my vegan husband but I was only doing it because it would make him happy. I would sometimes cheat when at work etc because I felt pressured into doing something I was not really doing for myself. My moment came when I ordered the animal free shopper and read the descriptions at the beginning. Suddenly it all made sense and dairy and eggs became as abhorrent to me as meat had been all those years before. Being that I am at the moment breastfeeding my youngest daughter is also becomes so so awful to me that another animal's milk could be taken away from their babies in such terrible conditions and on such a large scale just to feed human greed.

Nothing makes sense to me now apart from being vegan.

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Sorry to take a long time to reply - I've been away from home for a few days.

 

That's exactly what I mean - you have to really want to do it - otherwise there

is no motivation.

 

Jo

 

, elizabeth vincent <charlottesometimes88

wrote:

>

> Jo, I agree with you completely.  I became vegetarian many, many years ago

because I did not want to take a life but I carried on eating eggs and dairy.  I

became vegan when I married my vegan husband but I was only doing it because it

would make him happy.  I would sometimes cheat when at work etc because I felt

pressured into doing something I was not really doing for myself.  My moment

came when I ordered the animal free shopper and read the descriptions at the

beginning.  Suddenly it all made sense and dairy and eggs became as abhorrent to

me as meat had been all those years before.  Being that I am at the moment

breastfeeding my youngest daughter is also becomes so so awful to me that

another animal's milk could be taken away from their babies in such terrible

conditions and on such a large scale just to feed human greed. Nothing makes

sense to me now apart from being vegan.

>

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Hi all,

 

I'm Samira from Iran and I've just joined this group. It's more than 10 years

that I'm a vegetarian. I eat dairy and eggs but completely avoid all kind of

meat and don't use any of animal products (Clothing, pills, cosmetics and

etc,..).

I'm so excited to hear about your believes and experiences.

 

Wish you a good time.

 

Kind Regards,

Samir

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Hi Samira and welcome to the group. Thank you for submitting your answers to our

questionnaire, normally we forward these answers to the group as a sort of

introduction but you have already sent your own introduction, still I'll forward

your answers (see below) as they contain some info not in your mail, just as the

mail contains info not in the answers.

 

It's great that you avoid animal products in non-food items, very difficult

nowadays but worth the effort! Of course our concern here is mostly with food,

and I hope you will enjoy finding your way through the variety of recipes we

have here either via the archive or the Files (see left hand menu on our

webpage). We recently adapted the Files so that the recipes are for the most

part not listed according to country of origin, but more according to

ingredients etc. since (as you know) there is a lot of overlapping between the

ethnic foods of different countries and regions.

 

Best, Piers (co-owner with Pat)

 

, " Sam " <fravartish wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> I'm Samira from Iran and I've just joined this group. It's more than 10 years

that I'm a vegetarian. I eat dairy and eggs but completely avoid all kind of

meat and don't use any of animal products (Clothing, pills, cosmetics and

etc,..).

> I'm so excited to hear about your believes and experiences.

 

Samira's answers:

 

1. Which description best fits your situation?

 

- I am a vegetarian who eats eggs and dairy (lacto-ovo vegetarian) Yes

 

2. What is your main reason for choosing a vegetarian or vegan way of life?

 

- Concern for the animals Yes

- Concern for the environment and/or world hunger Yes

- Religious, spiritual and/or philosophical concerns Yes

 

3. Is your household totally vegetarian? No

If not, do you find you need to produce non-vegetarian meals some of the time?

Yes, Sometimes for my family members and my guests.

 

4. Do you like hot and spicy food? If not, what is your favourite kind of food?

 

I like spicy foods, but I'm not much used to very hot dishes.

My other favorite cuisine is Italian, I love different kind of Pasta, I also

like Chinese, but after all I don't like to stick to one type or recipe, I

prefer to be creative in cooking and love trying new foods.

 

5. Is there anything else you would like to tell us (such as your country or

region, age group, household pets/companion animals, hobbies, activities,

interests, indoor and outdoor sports, etc.)? Let's hear it!

 

I'm Samira! A 28 years old girl from Iran. I love all kind of animals and I'm

crazy about Cats.

 

I work as a selling/purchasing manager in the field of Electronic instruments.

I'm single and live with my mom and younger sister.

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Welcome, Samir.

 

Are there very many vegetarians in Iran?

 

Patricia

 

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Sam <fravartish

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Sunday, February 21, 2010, 3:34 AM

 

Hi all,

 

I'm Samira from Iran and I've just joined this group. It's more than 10 years

that I'm a vegetarian. I eat dairy and eggs but completely avoid all kind of

meat and don't use any of animal products (Clothing, pills, cosmetics and

etc,..). 

I'm so excited to hear about your believes and experiences.

 

Wish you a good time.

 

Kind Regards,

Samir

 

 

 

 

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> Welcome, Samir.

>

> Are there very many vegetarians in Iran?

 

Hi! Good question. I'm not Samir and I don't live in Iran, but from googling I

found something that indicated there were problems to trying to eat veggie

there: lack of understanding that you didn't just pick the meat out of dishes,

lack of understanding that fats and stocks from dead animals are also a no-no,

etc. etc. Otoh, it's hard to know how reliable some of these bloggers are, and

also hard to know if they enjoy criticizing cultures not their own and neglect

to give credit for things they should. Still, it's a point to ponder. Maybe

someone who is in or who has visited or lived in Iran can enlighten us :)

 

Best, Pat

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