High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

[Guest guest]

Dr. Wright

>>>

Joseph

is that Jonathan Write

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I really don't want to prolong this discussion about homeopaths and

homotoxicology but

for those of us who don't know, could someone just give a short outline of

homotoxicology? I should have asked for this a week ago.

 

doug

 

 

 

, Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1>

wrote:

> Alon,

> You are correct that homotoxicology is one thing and homeopathy another. I

acknowledge what you say after that, but though homeopathics are herbs, they are

not

what we are trained to use in our schools. Having homeopathy on our license

would be

nice, and when that is part of our curriculum, it may happen. Otherwise we will

be starting

a war with our homeopath colleagues, I'm quite sure--lay homeopaths as well as

medical

homeopaths. As things stand, some lay homeopaths have gone to war with the

medical

homeopaths, at least in Arizona. If they'll take on the doctors, I don't think

they'll hesitate

to take us on.

> Joseph

>

> <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> It's not for dabbling, any more than our medicine is. To David Molony, I say

leave

homeopathy out of the California acupuncture license.

> >>>>>>

> I do not see homotoxicology as homeopathy. It is based on some very different

principles and i think can be learned without some of the detail needed to

become a

homeopath. The only reason i would like to see homeopathy part of our lic is

that i do not

trust our ability to have excess to herbs. There have been two many scary

development is

the past. Much of homeopathy is herbal based and is a legal FDA approved drugs

>

>

>

> Oakland, CA 94609

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No, it is Linda Wright, MD, MD(H) in Scottsdale, Arizona.

Joseph

 

<alonmarcus wrote:

Dr. Wright

>>>

Joseph

is that Jonathan Write

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Doug,

This is Joseph Garner. My point was really about homotoxicology, not homeopathy

as such. And in the first email I posted about it, I gave what I thought was a

brief description of it. Below I have cut and pasted it, or the pertinent part

at least. And when I said I'd like to try homeopathic CM formulas (Bu Zhong Yi

Qi Tang MM for mitochondrial DNA several generations back?), I thought of that

as practicing Chinese herbal medicine at experimental dosages, not practicing

homeopathy. I personally do not recommend anyone to practice homeopathy who has

not had adequate training. I just think there is probably something to be gained

by looking at Reckeweg's homotoxicology and the Shang Han Lun at the same time.

And I wanted to point out how homotoxicology and Chinese herbal modalities are

being combined in the successful treatment of cancer.

Joseph

 

<All,

As a follow-up to my previous post in reply to ' post on IV vitamin

C, I'd like to comment on the Shang Han Lun and homotoxicology.

 

Dr. Reckeweg, founder of the Heel homeopathic company of Germany, was a

brilliant medical person who created the science of homotoxicology, which means

the study of that which is toxic to mankind (homo sapiens). What he discovered

was that the disease process works through six stages, which is the six stages

the immune system goes through in its efforts to ward off illness. These stages

rather roughly but essentially correspond to the six stages found in the Shang

Han Lun.

 

The first stage is called the excretion stage, corresponding to Taiyang stage.

At this stage the body tries to excrete germs, toxins, illness in general by

sweating, coughing, vomiting, urinating, defecating and such. If this doesn't

suffice, then the next stage is inflammation, I presume corresponding to

Yangming. If this is not successful at ending the illness, then the immune

system deposits toxins in some non-life-threatening places in the body until it

can get around to getting rid of them, which is to say in the connective tissue

(in-between tissues), corresponding, I would say, to Shaoyang. This is called

the deposition stage. These three stages are considered to be the side of the

homotoxicology chart reflecting an immune system that is fighting to win, to get

rid of illness, a pro-active immune system--the yang stages.

 

If these stages are not victorious, then the illness proceeds to become

chronic--the yin stages. This is the side of the homotoxicology chart reflecting

a bodymind whose immune system is no longer fighting to win but to lose as

slowly as possible, to compensate for what it cannot get rid of. The fourth

stage is called the impregnation stage, because the body, having given up on

ridding itself of the deposited toxins, now proceeds to seal up or entomb the

toxins to prevent systemic poisoning. At this stage the spleen qi is exhausted.

This is the stage of chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, rheumatoid arthritis and

such. Eventually the toxins rot through the seals, and the surrounding

tissues--and the system itself--begin to degenerate, so this is the degenerative

or shaoyin stage. Many die at this stage. In the final or jueyin stage, the

regeneration process in the cells goes haywire, and young cells in the most

toxic tissues stop differentiating into their various types and become

cancerous, so it is called the dedifferentiation stage.>

 

wrote:

I really don't want to prolong this discussion about homeopaths and

homotoxicology but

for those of us who don't know, could someone just give a short outline of

homotoxicology? I should have asked for this a week ago.

 

doug

 

 

 

, Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1>

wrote:

> Alon,

> You are correct that homotoxicology is one thing and homeopathy another. I

acknowledge what you say after that, but though homeopathics are herbs, they are

not

what we are trained to use in our schools. Having homeopathy on our license

would be

nice, and when that is part of our curriculum, it may happen. Otherwise we will

be starting

a war with our homeopath colleagues, I'm quite sure--lay homeopaths as well as

medical

homeopaths. As things stand, some lay homeopaths have gone to war with the

medical

homeopaths, at least in Arizona. If they'll take on the doctors, I don't think

they'll hesitate

to take us on.

> Joseph

>

> <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> It's not for dabbling, any more than our medicine is. To David Molony, I say

leave

homeopathy out of the California acupuncture license.

> >>>>>>

> I do not see homotoxicology as homeopathy. It is based on some very different

principles and i think can be learned without some of the detail needed to

become a

homeopath. The only reason i would like to see homeopathy part of our lic is

that i do not

trust our ability to have excess to herbs. There have been two many scary

development is

the past. Much of homeopathy is herbal based and is a legal FDA approved drugs

>

>

>

> Oakland, CA 94609

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I remember this very well. I guess I just got confused as to if there

was a

particular type of therapy that goes with it. My flow charts of this discussion

have run off

the page and I'm lost. anyway, now I'm a little more clear.

doug

 

 

 

, Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1>

wrote:

> Doug,

> This is Joseph Garner. My point was really about homotoxicology, not

homeopathy as

such. And in the first email I posted about it, I gave what I thought was a

brief description

of it. Below I have cut and pasted it, or the pertinent part at least. And when

I said I'd like

to try homeopathic CM formulas (Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang MM for mitochondrial DNA

several

generations back?), I thought of that as practicing Chinese herbal medicine at

experimental dosages, not practicing homeopathy. I personally do not recommend

anyone

to practice homeopathy who has not had adequate training. I just think there is

probably

something to be gained by looking at Reckeweg's homotoxicology and the Shang Han

Lun

at the same time. And I wanted to point out how homotoxicology and Chinese

herbal

modalities are being combined in the successful treatment of cancer.

> Joseph

>

> <All,

> As a follow-up to my previous post in reply to ' post on IV vitamin

C, I'd like

to comment on the Shang Han Lun and homotoxicology.

>

> Dr. Reckeweg, founder of the Heel homeopathic company of Germany, was a

brilliant

medical person who created the science of homotoxicology, which means the study

of that

which is toxic to mankind (homo sapiens). What he discovered was that the

disease

process works through six stages, which is the six stages the immune system goes

through in its efforts to ward off illness. These stages rather roughly but

essentially

correspond to the six stages found in the Shang Han Lun.

>

> The first stage is called the excretion stage, corresponding to Taiyang stage.

At this

stage the body tries to excrete germs, toxins, illness in general by sweating,

coughing,

vomiting, urinating, defecating and such. If this doesn't suffice, then the next

stage is

inflammation, I presume corresponding to Yangming. If this is not successful at

ending

the illness, then the immune system deposits toxins in some non-life-threatening

places

in the body until it can get around to getting rid of them, which is to say in

the connective

tissue (in-between tissues), corresponding, I would say, to Shaoyang. This is

called the

deposition stage. These three stages are considered to be the side of the

homotoxicology

chart reflecting an immune system that is fighting to win, to get rid of

illness, a pro-active

immune system--the yang stages.

>

> If these stages are not victorious, then the illness proceeds to become

chronic--the yin

stages. This is the side of the homotoxicology chart reflecting a bodymind whose

immune

system is no longer fighting to win but to lose as slowly as possible, to

compensate for

what it cannot get rid of. The fourth stage is called the impregnation stage,

because the

body, having given up on ridding itself of the deposited toxins, now proceeds to

seal up or

entomb the toxins to prevent systemic poisoning. At this stage the spleen qi is

exhausted.

This is the stage of chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, rheumatoid arthritis and

such. Eventually

the toxins rot through the seals, and the surrounding tissues--and the system

itself--

begin to degenerate, so this is the degenerative or shaoyin stage. Many die at

this stage.

In the final or jueyin stage, the regeneration process in the cells goes

haywire, and young

cells in the most toxic tissues stop differentiating into their various types

and become

> cancerous, so it is called the dedifferentiation stage.>

>

> wrote:

> I really don't want to prolong this discussion about homeopaths and

homotoxicology

but

> for those of us who don't know, could someone just give a short outline of

> homotoxicology? I should have asked for this a week ago.

>

> doug

>

>

>

> , Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1>

wrote:

> > Alon,

> > You are correct that homotoxicology is one thing and homeopathy another. I

> acknowledge what you say after that, but though homeopathics are herbs, they

are not

> what we are trained to use in our schools. Having homeopathy on our license

would be

> nice, and when that is part of our curriculum, it may happen. Otherwise we

will be

starting

> a war with our homeopath colleagues, I'm quite sure--lay homeopaths as well as

medical

> homeopaths. As things stand, some lay homeopaths have gone to war with the

medical

> homeopaths, at least in Arizona. If they'll take on the doctors, I don't think

they'll

hesitate

> to take us on.

> > Joseph

> >

> > <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> > It's not for dabbling, any more than our medicine is. To David Molony, I say

leave

> homeopathy out of the California acupuncture license.

> > >>>>>>

> > I do not see homotoxicology as homeopathy. It is based on some very

different

> principles and i think can be learned without some of the detail needed to

become a

> homeopath. The only reason i would like to see homeopathy part of our lic is

that i do

not

> trust our ability to have excess to herbs. There have been two many scary

development

is

> the past. Much of homeopathy is herbal based and is a legal FDA approved drugs

> >

> >

> >

> > Oakland, CA 94609

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Doug,

Well, since it was a homeopathist/medical doctor who came up with this,

homeopathy is the usual method of therapy: Reckeweg created a whole set of

combination homeopathics to work on the various phases or stages, brilliantly, I

might add. But that of course doesn't mean that there aren't an infinite number

of ways to treat. Homotoxicology is, after all, just another perspective on

health and disease, another map of the same terrain.

Joseph

 

wrote:

Thanks, I remember this very well. I guess I just got confused as to if there

was a

particular type of therapy that goes with it. My flow charts of this discussion

have run off

the page and I'm lost. anyway, now I'm a little more clear.

doug

 

 

 

, Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1>

wrote:

> Doug,

> This is Joseph Garner. My point was really about homotoxicology, not

homeopathy as

such. And in the first email I posted about it, I gave what I thought was a

brief description

of it. Below I have cut and pasted it, or the pertinent part at least. And when

I said I'd like

to try homeopathic CM formulas (Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang MM for mitochondrial DNA

several

generations back?), I thought of that as practicing Chinese herbal medicine at

experimental dosages, not practicing homeopathy. I personally do not recommend

anyone

to practice homeopathy who has not had adequate training. I just think there is

probably

something to be gained by looking at Reckeweg's homotoxicology and the Shang Han

Lun

at the same time. And I wanted to point out how homotoxicology and Chinese

herbal

modalities are being combined in the successful treatment of cancer.

> Joseph

>

> <All,

> As a follow-up to my previous post in reply to ' post on IV vitamin

C, I'd like

to comment on the Shang Han Lun and homotoxicology.

>

> Dr. Reckeweg, founder of the Heel homeopathic company of Germany, was a

brilliant

medical person who created the science of homotoxicology, which means the study

of that

which is toxic to mankind (homo sapiens). What he discovered was that the

disease

process works through six stages, which is the six stages the immune system goes

through in its efforts to ward off illness. These stages rather roughly but

essentially

correspond to the six stages found in the Shang Han Lun.

>

> The first stage is called the excretion stage, corresponding to Taiyang stage.

At this

stage the body tries to excrete germs, toxins, illness in general by sweating,

coughing,

vomiting, urinating, defecating and such. If this doesn't suffice, then the next

stage is

inflammation, I presume corresponding to Yangming. If this is not successful at

ending

the illness, then the immune system deposits toxins in some non-life-threatening

places

in the body until it can get around to getting rid of them, which is to say in

the connective

tissue (in-between tissues), corresponding, I would say, to Shaoyang. This is

called the

deposition stage. These three stages are considered to be the side of the

homotoxicology

chart reflecting an immune system that is fighting to win, to get rid of

illness, a pro-active

immune system--the yang stages.

>

> If these stages are not victorious, then the illness proceeds to become

chronic--the yin

stages. This is the side of the homotoxicology chart reflecting a bodymind whose

immune

system is no longer fighting to win but to lose as slowly as possible, to

compensate for

what it cannot get rid of. The fourth stage is called the impregnation stage,

because the

body, having given up on ridding itself of the deposited toxins, now proceeds to

seal up or

entomb the toxins to prevent systemic poisoning. At this stage the spleen qi is

exhausted.

This is the stage of chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, rheumatoid arthritis and

such. Eventually

the toxins rot through the seals, and the surrounding tissues--and the system

itself--

begin to degenerate, so this is the degenerative or shaoyin stage. Many die at

this stage.

In the final or jueyin stage, the regeneration process in the cells goes

haywire, and young

cells in the most toxic tissues stop differentiating into their various types

and become

> cancerous, so it is called the dedifferentiation stage.>

>

> wrote:

> I really don't want to prolong this discussion about homeopaths and

homotoxicology

but

> for those of us who don't know, could someone just give a short outline of

> homotoxicology? I should have asked for this a week ago.

>

> doug

>

>

>

> , Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1>

wrote:

> > Alon,

> > You are correct that homotoxicology is one thing and homeopathy another. I

> acknowledge what you say after that, but though homeopathics are herbs, they

are not

> what we are trained to use in our schools. Having homeopathy on our license

would be

> nice, and when that is part of our curriculum, it may happen. Otherwise we

will be

starting

> a war with our homeopath colleagues, I'm quite sure--lay homeopaths as well as

medical

> homeopaths. As things stand, some lay homeopaths have gone to war with the

medical

> homeopaths, at least in Arizona. If they'll take on the doctors, I don't think

they'll

hesitate

> to take us on.

> > Joseph

> >

> > <alonmarcus@w...> wrote:

> > It's not for dabbling, any more than our medicine is. To David Molony, I say

leave

> homeopathy out of the California acupuncture license.

> > >>>>>>

> > I do not see homotoxicology as homeopathy. It is based on some very

different

> principles and i think can be learned without some of the detail needed to

become a

> homeopath. The only reason i would like to see homeopathy part of our lic is

that i do

not

> trust our ability to have excess to herbs. There have been two many scary

development

is

> the past. Much of homeopathy is herbal based and is a legal FDA approved drugs

> >

> >

> >

> > Oakland, CA 94609

> >

> >

> >

> >