High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

[Guest guest]

Joseph

Do you have any idea why he would use aminophylline

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Alon,

 

There is a lot more to publishing a work then simply it works. There was a

Canadian researcher (forgot his name) who developed a cancer vaccine (714X)

with no side-effects. It worked. He was jailed. To break the silence on

truth that is emerging has been very difficult. The status quo is what the

establishment is trying to maintain at all costs. Their livelihood is at

stake.

 

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

 

 

 

> " " <alonmarcus

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>Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 22:00:36 -0700

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>Dr Kobayashi seem to have no problem publishing his tumor marker work,

>which seems to be the majority of what he has done. If he cures 70% of CA

>why would he have any trouble publishing it? Someone that has already

>published as much as he has would have no difficulty with the J.

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>Oakland, CA 94609

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> On Behalf Of

> Monday, September 26, 2005 10:14 AM

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> Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

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> And with homotoxicology, healing crises are hoped for by the paradigm as

> immune systems return more and more to the yang side of the equation, and

> the homeopathy slowly roots old suppressed lingering pathogens

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> Actually it is thought that the way homotox remedies are made prevent

> healing crises.

 

I have seen some wicked healing crisises. Actually I do not even think they

were a healing crisis, just provocations that were gnarly.

 

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[Guest guest]

I back alon's skepticism, especially when it comes to something like Cancer.

There are snake oil salesman everywhere, and they all get great results,

right???. Conspiracy theories IMO don't give these guys any more

credibility. Proof is in the pudding.

 

 

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> On Behalf Of

> Monday, September 26, 2005 10:20 PM

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> Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

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> Gary Gordon

> >>>>

> Well if you want to believe this guy i also have some stuff to sell. I

> have followed him for over 10 years and at this point i do not believe a

> word he says, and all my mentors feel the same (some of most known names

> in alternative med)

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> Oakland, CA 94609

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> On Behalf Of mike Bowser

> Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:16 AM

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> Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

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> Alon,

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> There is a lot more to publishing a work then simply it works. There was

> a

> Canadian researcher (forgot his name) who developed a cancer vaccine

(714X)

> with no side-effects. It worked.

 

Worked... hhmmm.. how do you know?

 

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[Guest guest]

I have seen some wicked healing crisises. Actually I do not even think they

were a healing crisis, just provocations that were gnarly.

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If you are using homotox just be careful of using drainage remedies when

treating acrose the biological divide. I follow the recommendation of Alta

Schmitt instead of the standard regime 3-6. This avoids any crisis.

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

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Where can I read about this...?

 

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> On Behalf Of

> Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:33 AM

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> Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

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> I have seen some wicked healing crisises. Actually I do not even think

> they

> were a healing crisis, just provocations that were gnarly.

> >>>>>>

> If you are using homotox just be careful of using drainage remedies when

> treating acrose the biological divide. I follow the recommendation of Alta

> Schmitt instead of the standard regime 3-6. This avoids any crisis.

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> Oakland, CA 94609

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[Guest guest]

There is a lot more to publishing a work then simply it works. There was a

Canadian researcher (forgot his name) who developed a cancer vaccine (714X)

with no side-effects. It worked. He was jailed. To break the silence on

truth that is emerging has been very difficult. The status quo is what the

establishment is trying to maintain at all costs. Their livelihood is at

stake

>>>>

However he has been publishing extensively on his tumor marker work. I have

published in three biomedical j and quite aware of what it takes to publish

alternative med.

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jason, Alon,

I am personally skeptical about all cancer treatments out there,

allopathic or alternative, but unless we get past the

politicalization of cancer, no true development will take place.

Trillions have been spent on R & D by Western medicine, and yet the use

of chemotherapy, surgery and radiation remain the only mainstream

treatment methods. We must be open to alternative approaches, and

recognize that there are strong forces opposing the use of

alternatives in oncology, and a lack of funding for research in these

alternative methods. Oncology is quite a cabal in Western medicine,

and inherently conservative.

 

 

On Sep 27, 2005, at 7:27 AM, wrote:

 

> I back alon's skepticism, especially when it comes to something

> like Cancer.

> There are snake oil salesman everywhere, and they all get great

> results,

> right???. Conspiracy theories IMO don't give these guys any more

> credibility. Proof is in the pudding.

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[Guest guest]

Where can I read about this

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Jason she publishes with heel i have communicated with her a couple of times via

email. Miki knows her well. Bruce also talks about this and also often modifies

regim 3-6 usually using thyroid comp instead of the deranges remedies.

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

We must be open to alternative approaches, and

recognize that there are strong forces opposing the use of

alternatives in oncology, and a lack of funding for research in these

alternative methods. Oncology is quite a cabal in Western medicine,

and inherently conservative.

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Totally agree and oncology is probably the most conservative of the specialties.

The good news is that we are finally starting to understand the entire

biochemical process of cancer. Hopefully this will yield something

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

There was some coverage of this on the news a few years ago along with

interviews of people who were cancer free. The real question in all of this

is why we continue to allow certain special interests like the

pharmaceutical industry to lie to us and manipulate truth. The scientist

was Gaston Naessens of Quebec.

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

 

 

 

 

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>RE: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:30:41 -0600

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> > On Behalf Of mike Bowser

> > Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:16 AM

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> > Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

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> > Alon,

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> > There is a lot more to publishing a work then simply it works. There

>was

> > a

> > Canadian researcher (forgot his name) who developed a cancer vaccine

>(714X)

> > with no side-effects. It worked.

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>Worked... hhmmm.. how do you know?

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[Guest guest]

Alon,

 

Do you really think that the establishment is that concerned about you or me

and the work that we do with acu and herbs?

 

I would have to say not. They are concerned with the big illnesses, those

being cancer, aids, heart problems, etc. Even more so if they can do this

without side-effects. You should remember that this is a business to them

and that is all. Profit and loss is what matters most.

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

 

 

 

 

> " " <alonmarcus

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>Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:40:54 -0700

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>There is a lot more to publishing a work then simply it works. There was a

>Canadian researcher (forgot his name) who developed a cancer vaccine (714X)

>with no side-effects. It worked. He was jailed. To break the silence on

>truth that is emerging has been very difficult. The status quo is what the

>establishment is trying to maintain at all costs. Their livelihood is at

>stake

> >>>>

>However he has been publishing extensively on his tumor marker work. I have

>published in three biomedical j and quite aware of what it takes to publish

>alternative med.

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>Oakland, CA 94609

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[Guest guest]

There was a very good book about him that came out several years

ago. The Canadian government tried to jail him and suppress his work.

 

 

On Sep 27, 2005, at 4:02 PM, mike Bowser wrote:

 

> There was some coverage of this on the news a few years ago along with

> interviews of people who were cancer free. The real question in

> all of this

> is why we continue to allow certain special interests like the

> pharmaceutical industry to lie to us and manipulate truth. The

> scientist

> was Gaston Naessens of Quebec.

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> Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

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>> RE: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

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>>> On Behalf Of mike Bowser

>>> Tuesday, September 27, 2005 6:16 AM

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>>> Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

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>>> Alon,

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>>> There is a lot more to publishing a work then simply it works.

>>> There

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>> was

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>>> a

>>> Canadian researcher (forgot his name) who developed a cancer vaccine

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>> (714X)

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>>> with no side-effects. It worked.

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[Guest guest]

Pudding is not so great if you are not invited to the table.

 

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

 

 

 

 

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>RE: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:27:31 -0600

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>I back alon's skepticism, especially when it comes to something like

>Cancer.

>There are snake oil salesman everywhere, and they all get great results,

>right???. Conspiracy theories IMO don't give these guys any more

>credibility. Proof is in the pudding.

>

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> > On Behalf Of

> > Monday, September 26, 2005 10:20 PM

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> > Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

> >

> > Gary Gordon

> > >>>>

> > Well if you want to believe this guy i also have some stuff to sell. I

> > have followed him for over 10 years and at this point i do not believe a

> > word he says, and all my mentors feel the same (some of most known names

> > in alternative med)

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> > Oakland, CA 94609

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[Guest guest]

Jason,

 

Are you aware of the conflict of interest between the FDA and the

pharmaceutical industry?

 

This issue has not escaped the concerns of some politicians who are asking

for a Congressional investigation.

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

Living in a bubble is fine as long as there are no sharp objects nearby.

 

 

 

 

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>RE: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:27:31 -0600

>

>I back alon's skepticism, especially when it comes to something like

>Cancer.

>There are snake oil salesman everywhere, and they all get great results,

>right???. Conspiracy theories IMO don't give these guys any more

>credibility. Proof is in the pudding.

>

>

>-

>

> >

> >

> > On Behalf Of

> > Monday, September 26, 2005 10:20 PM

> >

> > Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

> >

> > Gary Gordon

> > >>>>

> > Well if you want to believe this guy i also have some stuff to sell. I

> > have followed him for over 10 years and at this point i do not believe a

> > word he says, and all my mentors feel the same (some of most known names

> > in alternative med)

> >

> >

> >

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> > Oakland, CA 94609

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[Guest guest]

Alon,

First of all, I have just begun to be allowed to do acupuncture on patients,

which should help control the healing crises. Also, I think cancer patients have

a level of pathogenicity well beyond that of most other diseases. We are working

to take the problematic reactions out of the equation as much as possible.

Joseph

 

<alonmarcus wrote:

and I've seen the detoxification healing crises happen over and over, and

Nakouzi says he sees them continually and is overjoyed when he does.

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May be, i have not seen any in the one year i have been doing it.

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Alon,

Fine, Alon. Fine. By the alternative medical doctor community he is considered

an intelligent and leading figure. I guess you have your mentors and I have

mine. If I had a severe illness I would not hesitate to be treated by any of the

practitioners I have mentioned.

Joseph

 

<alonmarcus wrote:

Gary Gordon

>>>>

Well if you want to believe this guy i also have some stuff to sell. I have

followed him for over 10 years and at this point i do not believe a word he

says, and all my mentors feel the same (some of most known names in alternative

med)

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Alon,

Only a little. My ex-wife, who is a holistic medical doctor, went to Japan for a

week to be treated by Kobayashi and continues to follow his advice. She told me

all about it. She is a holistic doctor, but she is hard-headed and not easily

impressed, and she thinks Kobayashi is some kind of genius. The doctor who runs

the clinic I work in and his wife, and their nurse (who is a doctor from Poland

but not licensed in the US) spent the same week in Japan with Dr. K. I saw

everybody's photos of his clinic at work. Recently he came to the US and spent

several days in our town, giving a talk to the public and a doctor's association

and helping our office perform a hyperthermia treatment. What had been a

draining though effective treatment for our patients became under his tutelage

an effective but un-draining experience.

Joseph

 

<alonmarcus wrote:

Kobayashi

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Have you seen any of the work directly?

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Alon,

This is from one small study. He has done many, including studies involving

thousands of cases. Look further. However, it will take a lot of looking. I will

see if the doctors here can provide you with more information. Perhaps I should

connect you and them and we can stop involving others in our increasingly

personal communications.

Joseph

 

<alonmarcus wrote:

Joseph

These results (below) of Kobayashi report do not sound like 70% reversal

 

RESULTS

 

1.. Improvement of bone scintigraphy in 7 of 34cases(20.5%)

2.. Prolonged survival over 2 years in 8 of 34 cases (23.5%)

3.. Improvement of walking ability in 6 of 10 cases (60.0%)

4.. Relived or diminished pain' in 19 of 19 cases (100.0%)

5.. Increased number of T cells in 15 of 29 cases (51.7%)

6.. Enhancement of NK cell activity in 10 of 13 cases (76.9%)

7.. Controlling and improving hypercalcemia (Ca:12.9 mg/dl) in one case who is

alive after one year.

8.. In some cases, slight hypoproteinemia was observed.

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Alon,

As I said in my previous email, I will try to find more information. How people

describe success can of course vary. I am reporting what I have been told, and

hopefully I have not been misled. It is an apparent fact that Dr. Kobayashi's

cancer clinic was reported by Japanese medical journalists to be the most

successful in Japan, which is when the government cut off his insurance. Even if

70 percent is an exaggeration, he is still doing noteworthy work. If I had

cancer, I would go to him, or Nakouzi, or even Gary Gordon, among others,

including Miki Shima and his colleague Dr. McLamb.

Joseph

 

<alonmarcus wrote:

Dr Kobayashi seem to have no problem publishing his tumor marker work, which

seems to be the majority of what he has done. If he cures 70% of CA why would he

have any trouble publishing it? Someone that has already published as much as he

has would have no difficulty with the J.

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Alon,

Dr. George says it is because aminophylline is a phospho-diesterase blocker

which elevates cyclic AMP. He also says the cost of cyclic AMP in this country

is prohibitive, and Dr. Kobayashi can get it cheaper in Japan, so here we use

viscum forte instead.

Joseph

 

<alonmarcus wrote:

Joseph

Do you have any idea why he would use aminophylline

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Jason,

I am actually grateful for Alon's skepticism. But if you were seeing and hearing

what I have been seeing and hearing, and having it come from the people I have

had it come from, you would perhaps be less doubtful. In any case, I am not

selling anything, just sharing information with colleagues.

Joseph

 

wrote:

I back alon's skepticism, especially when it comes to something like Cancer.

There are snake oil salesman everywhere, and they all get great results,

right???. Conspiracy theories IMO don't give these guys any more

credibility. Proof is in the pudding.

 

 

-

 

>

>

> On Behalf Of

> Monday, September 26, 2005 10:20 PM

>

> Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

>

> Gary Gordon

> >>>>

> Well if you want to believe this guy i also have some stuff to sell. I

> have followed him for over 10 years and at this point i do not believe a

> word he says, and all my mentors feel the same (some of most known names

> in alternative med)

>

>

>

>

> Oakland, CA 94609

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

interests like the

pharmaceutical industry to lie to us and manipulate truth. The scientist

was Gaston Naessens of Quebec.

>?>>>>>>>>

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Do you really think that the establishment is that concerned about you or me

and the work that we do with acu and herbs?

 

I would have to say not. They are concerned with the big illnesses, those

being cancer, aids, heart problems, etc. Even more so if they can do this

without side-effects. You should remember that this is a business to them

and that is all. Profit and loss is what matters most.

>>>>>>

Real interest usually follows intent. I am sure you are not very interested in

WM developments. The question is monopoly, economically and informationally. I

have to say that things are mixed and not as black and white as presented here.

The fact that i and many other were able to published in WM J shows some

openness. The fact that places like Kaiser have LAc, DCs, and alternative

medical clinics and is doing research on alternative and integrative med shows a

mixed state of offers. Granted, there is much resistance as well. On our side,

we are stubbornly refusing to learn and participate in the scientific world. We

want to change it before we can even speak its language and are part of the

playground. Taking black and white stances does nothing to advance patient care.

There are many open, innovative MDs and other W scientists that daily increase

our knowledge and are increasingly incorporating alternative methods to so

called traditional medicine. US medicine is just extremely conservative and

lately so influenced by $$$$ that nothing is clear anylonger. Alternative

medical distributors are no better, they often promote products and services

that are equational at best with outrageous claims. They have been curing CA and

any known disease to man for ever.Every year they come up with new cures for

diseases they already had cures. It reminds me a little of the TCM acup crowd

that suddenly discovered Japanese acup and now again make claims they used to

say about TCM style acup but now know were greatly exaggerated.

Anyway Mike, i believe there is much to offer as well as criticize in both

alternative and mainstream med. If we keep our eye on the ball and be less

reactionary and defensive i think our goals are much more likely to be realized

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609