High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

September 22, 2005

Hi All,

High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer But will success in the lab

translate to humans? By Kathleen Doheny, HealthDay Reporter,

MONDAY, Sept. 12 (HealthDay News)

High doses of vitamin C administered intravenously can fight cancer --

at least in the laboratory, researchers report. They took another look at

the vitamin years after studies first suggested in the 1970s that high

doses of ascorbate or vitamin C may help fight cancer. In the wake of

those studies, additional studies using the same high doses found no

benefit, although some of them used only oral vitamin C, not

intravenous doses of the vitamin. For more detail, see:

http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/527931.html

Best regards,

Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0)

Ireland.

Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0)

" Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " -

Chinese Proverb

September 24, 2005

Phil et al.,

A medical doctor in Arizona who practices holistic medicine recently lost his

wife to breast cancer. He was apparently convinced that IV vitamin C alone would

do the trick and save her. It did not. Even Dr. Matthias Rath, Linus Pauling's

protege and an ardent proponent of IV vitamin C for cancer and heart disease,

with lots of clinical research to back up his statements, says that treating

real people with cancer is quite more complex than just dosing with lots of

vitamin C. Sorry, folks, life is just not that simple. But IV vitamin C is

taking its place as a recognized and necessary component of

alternative/integrative cancer therapy.

I have recently joined the practice of an integrative medical center focusing on

treating cancer. What I have learned are the most common treatments going in the

most successful clinics in the holistic medical cancer treatment world are, in

no particular order: homotoxicological homeopathy--both oral and IV, certain

herbal extract supplements (including extracts of greater celandine and Venus

flytrap), IV vitamins and minerals, various forms of hyperthermia, high-dose

enzyme therapy, acupuncture and related modalities, and insulin-potentiated

low-dose high-frequency chemotherapy. Along with that come the lifestyle and

dietary recommendations such as frequent saunas, semi-vegetarian diet,

nutritional supplements of a bewildering variety, exercise/yoga/qigong/taichi,

meditation, psychoemotional work and so on. Miki Shima apparently treats cancer

in his clinic with a mixture of Chinese herbal formulas, acupuncture,

homotoxicological homeopathy, and homeopathically induced hyperthermia,

and I believe he works with a holistically-oriented medical doctor on these

patients.

Hyperthermia in this sense is the inducing of systemic fever to kick the immune

system into high gear in order to get the TH-1 level tumor necrosis factors and

other such immune system badasses to get off their butts and go to work on the

cancer. The body in its wisdom creates fevers to deal with germs and such

because the immune system works best when the body temperature is approaching

105 degrees. The longer the fever lasts, the more the cancers shrink.

One more section to this email, and then I shut up: I commend to those who have

never heard of him one Dr. Tsuneo Kobayashi of Tokyo. His patient population is

almost entirely cancer patients who have had it once, been treated apparently

successfully by mainstream medicine, but the cancer returned and now they're in

terrible shape and desperate. As you will understand, the cancer process was not

treated, just the symptoms (the tumor/s and such). Dr. Kobayashi understands the

cancer process as well as or better than anyone, and his success rate in

reversing cancer in these patients is an astounding 70 percent. His basic

understanding is that the tissues that become cancerous are the most toxic and

irritated in the body, and the weakest. The cellular regeneration process that

normally proceeds fairly smoothly all the time in which undifferentiated stem

cells mature (grow up), differentiate into the various tissues (get a job),

reproduce (have kids) and then die goes haywire under the

relentless pressure of chronic toxic burden. In cancer, stem cells stop

maturing at a juvenile stage, stop differentiating, and start

eating/destroying/looting everything in sight. Like teenage gang members totally

pissed at the toxic society around them.

Dr. Kobayashi mixes brilliant understanding of modern medicine with Chinese

medicine treatments and concepts, including his recent innovation of

hyperthermia via heating selected acupuncture points--based on Ryodoraku

readings--to balance the autonomic nervous system. He says any system with a

balanced ANS cannot drop into cancer. He uses moxa a lot, too. And by the way,

he also says that cancer grows five times faster at night. Which tells me how

much cancer has to do with the blood. His philosophy and that of the best of the

new cancer doctors is not so much to kill the cancer but to rehabilitate the

tissue and return it to normal by detoxing and strengthening--essentially a kind

of medical tough love. And whaddaya know, it works, better than any other

method. Hallelujah. Those terrifying cancer cells are really bullies, and like

all bullies, when confronted with fearlessness and honesty, they cave in. They

may be strong in appetite, but they're weak in character.

I'm still working on my place in the scheme of things at my new office, but I am

here to say that the days of Chinese medicine being at best a mere adjunct to

modern medicine in the treatment of life-threatening illness, at least in the

West, are ending. I respectfully suggest you consider the possibility that the

medicine we hold in our hands and hearts, when used judiciously and in proper

context, without ego on our parts, may be more potent, effective and necessary

than even we ever imagined. Anyway, I shut up now. Later.

Joseph Garner, LAc

< wrote:

Hi All,

High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer But will success in the lab

translate to humans? By Kathleen Doheny, HealthDay Reporter,

MONDAY, Sept. 12 (HealthDay News)

High doses of vitamin C administered intravenously can fight cancer --

at least in the laboratory, researchers report. They took another look at

the vitamin years after studies first suggested in the 1970s that high

doses of ascorbate or vitamin C may help fight cancer. In the wake of

those studies, additional studies using the same high doses found no

benefit, although some of them used only oral vitamin C, not

intravenous doses of the vitamin. For more detail, see:

http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/527931.html

Best regards,

Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0)

Ireland.

Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0)

" Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " -

Chinese Proverb

September 25, 2005

Joseph,

I like your email and congrats on your new practice op. I sometimes think

that our society tends to only look at the treatment or technique but not

really understanding of the theory behind it. To this I would add that we

need to understand the environment and how to help change it back to a

positive place. Beachamp, Enderlein and others found that this area was

lacking in the theory of treatment. Until we include this we tend to be

shooting in the dark.

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

>Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1

>

>Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 22:28:32 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Phil et al.,

>A medical doctor in Arizona who practices holistic medicine recently lost

>his wife to breast cancer. He was apparently convinced that IV vitamin C

>alone would do the trick and save her. It did not. Even Dr. Matthias Rath,

>Linus Pauling's protege and an ardent proponent of IV vitamin C for cancer

>and heart disease, with lots of clinical research to back up his

>statements, says that treating real people with cancer is quite more

>complex than just dosing with lots of vitamin C. Sorry, folks, life is just

>not that simple. But IV vitamin C is taking its place as a recognized and

>necessary component of alternative/integrative cancer therapy.

>

>I have recently joined the practice of an integrative medical center

>focusing on treating cancer. What I have learned are the most common

>treatments going in the most successful clinics in the holistic medical

>cancer treatment world are, in no particular order: homotoxicological

>homeopathy--both oral and IV, certain herbal extract supplements (including

>extracts of greater celandine and Venus flytrap), IV vitamins and minerals,

>various forms of hyperthermia, high-dose enzyme therapy, acupuncture and

>related modalities, and insulin-potentiated low-dose high-frequency

>chemotherapy. Along with that come the lifestyle and dietary

>recommendations such as frequent saunas, semi-vegetarian diet, nutritional

>supplements of a bewildering variety, exercise/yoga/qigong/taichi,

>meditation, psychoemotional work and so on. Miki Shima apparently treats

>cancer in his clinic with a mixture of Chinese herbal formulas,

>acupuncture, homotoxicological homeopathy, and homeopathically induced

>hyperthermia,

> and I believe he works with a holistically-oriented medical doctor on

>these patients.

>

>Hyperthermia in this sense is the inducing of systemic fever to kick the

>immune system into high gear in order to get the TH-1 level tumor necrosis

>factors and other such immune system badasses to get off their butts and go

>to work on the cancer. The body in its wisdom creates fevers to deal with

>germs and such because the immune system works best when the body

>temperature is approaching 105 degrees. The longer the fever lasts, the

>more the cancers shrink.

>

>One more section to this email, and then I shut up: I commend to those who

>have never heard of him one Dr. Tsuneo Kobayashi of Tokyo. His patient

>population is almost entirely cancer patients who have had it once, been

>treated apparently successfully by mainstream medicine, but the cancer

>returned and now they're in terrible shape and desperate. As you will

>understand, the cancer process was not treated, just the symptoms (the

>tumor/s and such). Dr. Kobayashi understands the cancer process as well as

>or better than anyone, and his success rate in reversing cancer in these

>patients is an astounding 70 percent. His basic understanding is that the

>tissues that become cancerous are the most toxic and irritated in the body,

>and the weakest. The cellular regeneration process that normally proceeds

>fairly smoothly all the time in which undifferentiated stem cells mature

>(grow up), differentiate into the various tissues (get a job), reproduce

>(have kids) and then die goes haywire under the

> relentless pressure of chronic toxic burden. In cancer, stem cells stop

>maturing at a juvenile stage, stop differentiating, and start

>eating/destroying/looting everything in sight. Like teenage gang members

>totally pissed at the toxic society around them.

>

>Dr. Kobayashi mixes brilliant understanding of modern medicine with Chinese

>medicine treatments and concepts, including his recent innovation of

>hyperthermia via heating selected acupuncture points--based on Ryodoraku

>readings--to balance the autonomic nervous system. He says any system with

>a balanced ANS cannot drop into cancer. He uses moxa a lot, too. And by the

>way, he also says that cancer grows five times faster at night. Which tells

>me how much cancer has to do with the blood. His philosophy and that of the

>best of the new cancer doctors is not so much to kill the cancer but to

>rehabilitate the tissue and return it to normal by detoxing and

>strengthening--essentially a kind of medical tough love. And whaddaya know,

>it works, better than any other method. Hallelujah. Those terrifying cancer

>cells are really bullies, and like all bullies, when confronted with

>fearlessness and honesty, they cave in. They may be strong in appetite, but

>they're weak in character.

>

>I'm still working on my place in the scheme of things at my new office, but

>I am here to say that the days of Chinese medicine being at best a mere

>adjunct to modern medicine in the treatment of life-threatening illness, at

>least in the West, are ending. I respectfully suggest you consider the

>possibility that the medicine we hold in our hands and hearts, when used

>judiciously and in proper context, without ego on our parts, may be more

>potent, effective and necessary than even we ever imagined. Anyway, I shut

>up now. Later.

>Joseph Garner, LAc

> < wrote:

>Hi All,

>

>High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer But will success in the lab

>translate to humans? By Kathleen Doheny, HealthDay Reporter,

>MONDAY, Sept. 12 (HealthDay News)

>

>High doses of vitamin C administered intravenously can fight cancer --

>at least in the laboratory, researchers report. They took another look at

>the vitamin years after studies first suggested in the 1970s that high

>doses of ascorbate or vitamin C may help fight cancer. In the wake of

>those studies, additional studies using the same high doses found no

>benefit, although some of them used only oral vitamin C, not

>intravenous doses of the vitamin. For more detail, see:

>http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/527931.html

>

>Best regards,

>

>Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0)

>

>Ireland.

>Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0)

>

> " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " -

>Chinese Proverb

>

September 25, 2005

I couldn't agree more. Right on target.

On Sep 25, 2005, at 7:46 AM, mike Bowser wrote:

> Joseph,

>

> I like your email and congrats on your new practice op. I

> sometimes think

> that our society tends to only look at the treatment or technique

> but not

> really understanding of the theory behind it. To this I would add

> that we

> need to understand the environment and how to help change it back to a

> positive place. Beachamp, Enderlein and others found that this

> area was

> lacking in the theory of treatment. Until we include this we tend

> to be

> shooting in the dark.

>

> Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

>

>> Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1

>>

>> Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer

>> Sat, 24 Sep 2005 22:28:32 -0700 (PDT)

>>

>> Phil et al.,

>> A medical doctor in Arizona who practices holistic medicine

>> recently lost

>> his wife to breast cancer. He was apparently convinced that IV

>> vitamin C

>> alone would do the trick and save her. It did not. Even Dr.

>> Matthias Rath,

>> Linus Pauling's protege and an ardent proponent of IV vitamin C

>> for cancer

>> and heart disease, with lots of clinical research to back up his

>> statements, says that treating real people with cancer is quite more

>> complex than just dosing with lots of vitamin C. Sorry, folks,

>> life is just

>> not that simple. But IV vitamin C is taking its place as a

>> recognized and

>> necessary component of alternative/integrative cancer therapy.

>>

>> I have recently joined the practice of an integrative medical center

>> focusing on treating cancer. What I have learned are the most common

>> treatments going in the most successful clinics in the holistic

>> medical

>> cancer treatment world are, in no particular order: homotoxicological

>> homeopathy--both oral and IV, certain herbal extract supplements

>> (including

>> extracts of greater celandine and Venus flytrap), IV vitamins and

>> minerals,

>> various forms of hyperthermia, high-dose enzyme therapy,

>> acupuncture and

>> related modalities, and insulin-potentiated low-dose high-frequency

>> chemotherapy. Along with that come the lifestyle and dietary

>> recommendations such as frequent saunas, semi-vegetarian diet,

>> nutritional

>> supplements of a bewildering variety, exercise/yoga/qigong/taichi,

>> meditation, psychoemotional work and so on. Miki Shima apparently

>> treats

>> cancer in his clinic with a mixture of Chinese herbal formulas,

>> acupuncture, homotoxicological homeopathy, and homeopathically

>> induced

>> hyperthermia,

>> and I believe he works with a holistically-oriented medical

>> doctor on

>> these patients.

>>

>> Hyperthermia in this sense is the inducing of systemic fever to

>> kick the

>> immune system into high gear in order to get the TH-1 level tumor

>> necrosis

>> factors and other such immune system badasses to get off their

>> butts and go

>> to work on the cancer. The body in its wisdom creates fevers to

>> deal with

>> germs and such because the immune system works best when the body

>> temperature is approaching 105 degrees. The longer the fever

>> lasts, the

>> more the cancers shrink.

>>

>> One more section to this email, and then I shut up: I commend to

>> those who

>> have never heard of him one Dr. Tsuneo Kobayashi of Tokyo. His

>> patient

>> population is almost entirely cancer patients who have had it

>> once, been

>> treated apparently successfully by mainstream medicine, but the

>> cancer

>> returned and now they're in terrible shape and desperate. As you will

>> understand, the cancer process was not treated, just the symptoms

>> (the

>> tumor/s and such). Dr. Kobayashi understands the cancer process as

>> well as

>> or better than anyone, and his success rate in reversing cancer in

>> these

>> patients is an astounding 70 percent. His basic understanding is

>> that the

>> tissues that become cancerous are the most toxic and irritated in

>> the body,

>> and the weakest. The cellular regeneration process that normally

>> proceeds

>> fairly smoothly all the time in which undifferentiated stem cells

>> mature

>> (grow up), differentiate into the various tissues (get a job),

>> reproduce

>> (have kids) and then die goes haywire under the

>> relentless pressure of chronic toxic burden. In cancer, stem

>> cells stop

>> maturing at a juvenile stage, stop differentiating, and start

>> eating/destroying/looting everything in sight. Like teenage gang

>> members

>> totally pissed at the toxic society around them.

>>

>> Dr. Kobayashi mixes brilliant understanding of modern medicine

>> with Chinese

>> medicine treatments and concepts, including his recent innovation of

>> hyperthermia via heating selected acupuncture points--based on

>> Ryodoraku

>> readings--to balance the autonomic nervous system. He says any

>> system with

>> a balanced ANS cannot drop into cancer. He uses moxa a lot, too.

>> And by the

>> way, he also says that cancer grows five times faster at night.

>> Which tells

>> me how much cancer has to do with the blood. His philosophy and

>> that of the

>> best of the new cancer doctors is not so much to kill the cancer

>> but to

>> rehabilitate the tissue and return it to normal by detoxing and

>> strengthening--essentially a kind of medical tough love. And

>> whaddaya know,

>> it works, better than any other method. Hallelujah. Those

>> terrifying cancer

>> cells are really bullies, and like all bullies, when confronted with

>> fearlessness and honesty, they cave in. They may be strong in

>> appetite, but

>> they're weak in character.

>>

>> I'm still working on my place in the scheme of things at my new

>> office, but

>> I am here to say that the days of Chinese medicine being at best a

>> mere

>> adjunct to modern medicine in the treatment of life-threatening

>> illness, at

>> least in the West, are ending. I respectfully suggest you consider

>> the

>> possibility that the medicine we hold in our hands and hearts,

>> when used

>> judiciously and in proper context, without ego on our parts, may

>> be more

>> potent, effective and necessary than even we ever imagined.

>> Anyway, I shut

>> up now. Later.

>> Joseph Garner, LAc

>> < wrote:

>> Hi All,

>>

>> High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer But will success in the lab

>> translate to humans? By Kathleen Doheny, HealthDay Reporter,

>> MONDAY, Sept. 12 (HealthDay News)

>>

>> High doses of vitamin C administered intravenously can fight

>> cancer --

>> at least in the laboratory, researchers report. They took another

>> look at

>> the vitamin years after studies first suggested in the 1970s that

>> high

>> doses of ascorbate or vitamin C may help fight cancer. In the wake of

>> those studies, additional studies using the same high doses found no

>> benefit, although some of them used only oral vitamin C, not

>> intravenous doses of the vitamin. For more detail, see:

>> http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/527931.html

>>

>> Best regards,

>>

>> Tel: (H): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0)

>>

>> Ireland.

>> Tel: (W): +353-(0) or (M): +353-(0)

>>

>> " Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " -

>> Chinese Proverb

>>

September 25, 2005

Mike,

You are of course completely correct. I agree with Peter Holmes in his

Energetics of Western Herbs that the East/West/Ancient/Modern paradigms need to

be fully integrated for us to have a truly coherent medical practice, and I also

agree with his stance that the dominant paradigm needs to be the

holistic/energetic/pattern diagnosis-type paradigm, not the " modern science "

one. First one must see the forest, then the individual trees can be

comprehended. It's important to have individual-tree experts to rely on, but

somebody has to have the " vision thing, " and ideally they--or at least their way

of thinking--should be in charge. As things stand, with few exceptions, even the

most experienced of holistic medical doctors are really individual-tree experts

first and forest experts second.

When it comes to holistic cancer treatment, there are only two medical doctors I

see as really " getting it. " Dr. Kobayashi is one, and the other is an MD in

Connecticut named Jarir Nakouzi.

Dr. Nakouzi is a Europe-trained oncologist with a long background in homeopathy

and homotoxicology, and a peculiarly clear mind. This clarity and beginner's

mindedness is something both doctors share. Dr. Nakouzi bases his whole

diagnostic methodology on EAV readings using equipment from the Kindling company

of Germany. Dr. Kobayashi uses ryodoraku and assessments based on his Tumor

Marker Combination Assay--his own invention--which is the most precise and

telling cancer screening test in the world. Our office is working on bringing

Dr. Kobayashi to America, which he apparently wants to do. At least we could

have his test available here then.

Dr. Nakouzi and Dr. Kobayashi share the philosophy of not going after tumors as

the main focus of cancer treatment. They go after balancing what we would call

excesses and deficiencies in a sustained and thoroughly deep fashion, and most

of the time the patients' own bodies restore the cancerous tissue to normal. By

the way, I work at what is called Integrative Medical Healing Center in

Scottsdale, Arizona, the office of Frank George, DO, MD(H) and Sean Devlin, DO,

MD(H). I'm hoping to make it even more holistic than it presently is.

Joseph

mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: