Sun's Placement ! 12/1

[Guest guest]

WOW a profound post! Please do continue to write more on this topic.

And yes, charity does began at home..It is just now after 30 some years I am

getting to know that WE need to LOVE ourselves FIRST, then only we can give to

others..When our bellies are full, we shall pass on this wonderful gift to

others!

 

Lilly

 

, " nandini " <kakan_leo wrote:

>

> Sharing with you what I read and learnt, not trying to correct or educate you

Lilly, what do I know! I hope you will take it in the right spirit.

>

> THEY say that all that we seek outside of ourselves are actually within and

INSIDE is where we need to focus if we really really want anything.

>

> WHOM and WHEN and WHO have we loved UNCONDITIONALLY Lilly, that we would get

IT back from the Universe!

>

> THEY say

>

> " Charity begins at HOME!

> LOVE yourself first! "

>

> Not sure about you but that to me that sounds like some advice all of us could

use. A friend of mine went to see a psychologist recently and was given a

strange advice! She was told " There is a part of you that is a little girl and

stuck there and hasn't grown up. Mother that child! Pay attention to her as you

would your lonely and bruised and abused and neglected daughter who has no one

on earth apart from YOU! Help her grow up. "

>

> Not all of us are stuck there and that desperately perhaps Lilly but I am sure

everyone can relate to that in some way or the other. The least we can do is pay

attention to that part of ourself that we feel no one has understood and loved.

And LOVE that part. IF we happen to arrive there, TRUE LOVE should not be even

an arm's length away I guess.

>

> There are some perhaps for whom TRUE LOVE is destined in this lifetime due to

the efforts of FREE WILL that they made in some previous lifetime. But for the

rest of us, the journey towards LOVING our ownselves need to continue so that

TRUE LOVE arrives soon and who knows how soon!! It a quest that we need to take

inward and not outward.

>

> But sorry for all the gyaan!

>

> Regards,

> Nandini

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nandini,

> >

> > Who on earth does not want to get married(happily ever after)just like our

mothers told us :-)..

> >

> > At the same time we all search for TRUE LOVE but never find it in this

world(at least so far it hasn't happen).

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> >

> > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Lilly,

> > >

> > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read in one of your posts about

your reluctance to get married inspite of many 'opportunities'. To me that

translates to unwillingness to get into 'bandhan'.

> > >

> > > We always hear about the negatives of Mangal " Dosh " . Perhaps this is a

spiritual and positive side of it. Perhaps that is why the hesitation in

recommending marriage for such individuals - another way of emphasising the

spiritual strength and inclination of such individuals.

> > >

> > > After all who would knowingly want to get married to a person who has it

in him or her to suddenly leave the wordly life and walk away from it all when

CALLED! Unless!!

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > Unless one is ready to walk away with him or her as well, without a

moment's hesitation!

> > >

> > > But then these are just thoughts and like I told you I have no experience.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nandini

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I

don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Nandini

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before December

of 1983?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any

particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West,

the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you

teach!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same

time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound

to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many

ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the

4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed

in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural

Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak

Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But

wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother

could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE

and ONLY parent – GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live,

and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood

we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar

G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does

add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as

they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife

after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his

toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with

sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association

with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her

father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in

4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many

ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key

role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it

shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences

can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with

Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is

n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas,

Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a

birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in

10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an

" auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives

life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in

worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and

" purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it

may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed

to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly

does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

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[Guest guest]

Nandini Ji,

very Good views and perfect too in my opinion.This header/thread has been

discontnued and modified too as it has become an issue of vexation.

Since the points made by you r of great interest why not modify the

thread/header and genearte more interest in the issues raised by you.

As of now one of our senior intiated issues of spirtualism in a way to derive by

jyotish means.your message too fits in the order.

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

 

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

 

Saturday, January 16, 2010, 6:43 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

WOW a profound post! Please do continue to write more on this topic.

And yes, charity does began at home..It is just now after 30 some years I am

getting to know that WE need to LOVE ourselves FIRST, then only we can give to

others..When our bellies are full, we shall pass on this wonderful gift to

others!

 

Lilly

 

, " nandini " <kakan_leo@. ..> wrote:

>

> Sharing with you what I read and learnt, not trying to correct or educate you

Lilly, what do I know! I hope you will take it in the right spirit.

>

> THEY say that all that we seek outside of ourselves are actually within and

INSIDE is where we need to focus if we really really want anything.

>

> WHOM and WHEN and WHO have we loved UNCONDITIONALLY Lilly, that we would get

IT back from the Universe!

>

> THEY say

>

> " Charity begins at HOME!

> LOVE yourself first! "

>

> Not sure about you but that to me that sounds like some advice all of us could

use. A friend of mine went to see a psychologist recently and was given a

strange advice! She was told " There is a part of you that is a little girl and

stuck there and hasn't grown up. Mother that child! Pay attention to her as you

would your lonely and bruised and abused and neglected daughter who has no one

on earth apart from YOU! Help her grow up. "

>

> Not all of us are stuck there and that desperately perhaps Lilly but I am sure

everyone can relate to that in some way or the other. The least we can do is pay

attention to that part of ourself that we feel no one has understood and loved.

And LOVE that part. IF we happen to arrive there, TRUE LOVE should not be even

an arm's length away I guess.

>

> There are some perhaps for whom TRUE LOVE is destined in this lifetime due to

the efforts of FREE WILL that they made in some previous lifetime. But for the

rest of us, the journey towards LOVING our ownselves need to continue so that

TRUE LOVE arrives soon and who knows how soon!! It a quest that we need to take

inward and not outward.

>

> But sorry for all the gyaan!

>

> Regards,

> Nandini

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nandini,

> >

> > Who on earth does not want to get married(happily ever after)just like our

mothers told us :-)..

> >

> > At the same time we all search for TRUE LOVE but never find it in this

world(at least so far it hasn't happen).

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> >

> > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Lilly,

> > >

> > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read in one of your posts about

your reluctance to get married inspite of many 'opportunities' . To me that

translates to unwillingness to get into 'bandhan'.

> > >

> > > We always hear about the negatives of Mangal " Dosh " . Perhaps this is a

spiritual and positive side of it. Perhaps that is why the hesitation in

recommending marriage for such individuals - another way of emphasising the

spiritual strength and inclination of such individuals.

> > >

> > > After all who would knowingly want to get married to a person who has it

in him or her to suddenly leave the wordly life and walk away from it all when

CALLED! Unless!!

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > Unless one is ready to walk away with him or her as well, without a

moment's hesitation!

> > >

> > > But then these are just thoughts and like I told you I have no experience.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nandini

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I

don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Nandini

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before December

of 1983?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any

particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West,

the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you

teach!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same

time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound

to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many

ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the

4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed

in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural

Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak

Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But

wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother

could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the

ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live,

and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood

we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does

add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as

they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife

after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his

toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with

sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association

with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her

father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in

4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many

ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key

role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it

shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences

can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with

Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is

n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas,

Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a

birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in

10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an

" auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives

life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in

worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and

" purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it

may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed

to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly

does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Nandini Ji,

> very Good views and perfect too in my opinion.This header/thread has been

discontnued and modified too as it has become an issue of vexation.

> Since the points made by you r of great interest why not modify the

thread/header and genearte more interest in the issues raised by you.

> As of now one of our senior intiated issues of spirtualism in a way to derive

by jyotish means.your message too fits in the order.

>

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>  

>

> --- On Sat, 1/16/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Saturday, January 16, 2010, 6:43 PM

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> WOW a profound post! Please do continue to write more on this topic.

> And yes, charity does began at home..It is just now after 30 some years I am

getting to know that WE need to LOVE ourselves FIRST, then only we can give to

others..When our bellies are full, we shall pass on this wonderful gift to

others!

>

> Lilly

>

> , " nandini " <kakan_leo@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Sharing with you what I read and learnt, not trying to correct or educate

you Lilly, what do I know! I hope you will take it in the right spirit.

> >

> > THEY say that all that we seek outside of ourselves are actually within and

INSIDE is where we need to focus if we really really want anything.

> >

> > WHOM and WHEN and WHO have we loved UNCONDITIONALLY Lilly, that we would get

IT back from the Universe!

> >

> > THEY say

> >

> > " Charity begins at HOME!

> > LOVE yourself first! "

> >

> > Not sure about you but that to me that sounds like some advice all of us

could use. A friend of mine went to see a psychologist recently and was given a

strange advice! She was told " There is a part of you that is a little girl and

stuck there and hasn't grown up. Mother that child! Pay attention to her as you

would your lonely and bruised and abused and neglected daughter who has no one

on earth apart from YOU! Help her grow up. "

> >

> > Not all of us are stuck there and that desperately perhaps Lilly but I am

sure everyone can relate to that in some way or the other. The least we can do

is pay attention to that part of ourself that we feel no one has understood and

loved. And LOVE that part. IF we happen to arrive there, TRUE LOVE should not be

even an arm's length away I guess.

> >

> > There are some perhaps for whom TRUE LOVE is destined in this lifetime due

to the efforts of FREE WILL that they made in some previous lifetime. But for

the rest of us, the journey towards LOVING our ownselves need to continue so

that TRUE LOVE arrives soon and who knows how soon!! It a quest that we need to

take inward and not outward.

> >

> > But sorry for all the gyaan!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Nandini

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nandini,

> > >

> > > Who on earth does not want to get married(happily ever after)just like our

mothers told us :-)..

> > >

> > > At the same time we all search for TRUE LOVE but never find it in this

world(at least so far it hasn't happen).

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > >

> > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Lilly,

> > > >

> > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read in one of your posts about

your reluctance to get married inspite of many 'opportunities' . To me that

translates to unwillingness to get into 'bandhan'.

> > > >

> > > > We always hear about the negatives of Mangal " Dosh " . Perhaps this is a

spiritual and positive side of it. Perhaps that is why the hesitation in

recommending marriage for such individuals - another way of emphasising the

spiritual strength and inclination of such individuals.

> > > >

> > > > After all who would knowingly want to get married to a person who has it

in him or her to suddenly leave the wordly life and walk away from it all when

CALLED! Unless!!

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > Unless one is ready to walk away with him or her as well, without a

moment's hesitation!

> > > >

> > > > But then these are just thoughts and like I told you I have no

experience.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Nandini

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I

don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of

any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more

you teach!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the

same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is

bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But

wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother

could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime †" to experience the

ONE and ONLY parent †" GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere

does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too

as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in

4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many

ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the

key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then

it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with

Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun

is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas,

Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a

birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well

in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually

an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives

life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in

worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns "

and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how

it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be

assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

A poem I want to share with the group that goes well with the Nandali's post!

 

" The Invitation " By Oriah Mountain

 

It doesn't interest me what you do for a living.

I want to know what you ache for, and if you dare to dream of meeting your

heart's longing.

It doesn't interest me what planets are squaring your moon.

I want to know if you have touched the center of your own sorrow,

if you have been opened by life's betrayals or have become shriveled and closed

from fear of further pain!

I want to know if you can sit with pain, mine or your own,

without moving to hide it or fade it, or fix it.

It doesn't interest me who you know or how you came to be here.

I want to know if you will stand in the center of the fire with me and not

shrink back.

It doesn't interest me where or what or with whom you have studied.

I want to know what sustains you, from the inside, when all else falls away.

I want to know if you can be alone with yourself and if you truly like the

company you keep in the empty moments.

 

Lilly

emedies , " nandini " <kakan_leo wrote:

>

> Sharing with you what I read and learnt, not trying to correct or educate you

Lilly, what do I know! I hope you will take it in the right spirit.

>

> THEY say that all that we seek outside of ourselves are actually within and

INSIDE is where we need to focus if we really really want anything.

>

> WHOM and WHEN and WHO have we loved UNCONDITIONALLY Lilly, that we would get

IT back from the Universe!

>

> THEY say

>

> " Charity begins at HOME!

> LOVE yourself first! "

>

> Not sure about you but that to me that sounds like some advice all of us could

use. A friend of mine went to see a psychologist recently and was given a

strange advice! She was told " There is a part of you that is a little girl and

stuck there and hasn't grown up. Mother that child! Pay attention to her as you

would your lonely and bruised and abused and neglected daughter who has no one

on earth apart from YOU! Help her grow up. "

>

> Not all of us are stuck there and that desperately perhaps Lilly but I am sure

everyone can relate to that in some way or the other. The least we can do is pay

attention to that part of ourself that we feel no one has understood and loved.

And LOVE that part. IF we happen to arrive there, TRUE LOVE should not be even

an arm's length away I guess.

>

> There are some perhaps for whom TRUE LOVE is destined in this lifetime due to

the efforts of FREE WILL that they made in some previous lifetime. But for the

rest of us, the journey towards LOVING our ownselves need to continue so that

TRUE LOVE arrives soon and who knows how soon!! It a quest that we need to take

inward and not outward.

>

> But sorry for all the gyaan!

>

> Regards,

> Nandini

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nandini,

> >

> > Who on earth does not want to get married(happily ever after)just like our

mothers told us :-)..

> >

> > At the same time we all search for TRUE LOVE but never find it in this

world(at least so far it hasn't happen).

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> >

> > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Lilly,

> > >

> > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read in one of your posts about

your reluctance to get married inspite of many 'opportunities'. To me that

translates to unwillingness to get into 'bandhan'.

> > >

> > > We always hear about the negatives of Mangal " Dosh " . Perhaps this is a

spiritual and positive side of it. Perhaps that is why the hesitation in

recommending marriage for such individuals - another way of emphasising the

spiritual strength and inclination of such individuals.

> > >

> > > After all who would knowingly want to get married to a person who has it

in him or her to suddenly leave the wordly life and walk away from it all when

CALLED! Unless!!

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > Unless one is ready to walk away with him or her as well, without a

moment's hesitation!

> > >

> > > But then these are just thoughts and like I told you I have no experience.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nandini

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I

don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Nandini

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before December

of 1983?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any

particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West,

the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you

teach!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same

time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound

to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many

ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the

4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed

in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural

Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak

Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But

wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother

could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE

and ONLY parent – GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live,

and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood

we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar

G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does

add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as

they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife

after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his

toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with

sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association

with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her

father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in

4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many

ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key

role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it

shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences

can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with

Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is

n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas,

Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a

birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in

10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an

" auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives

life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in

worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and

" purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it

may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed

to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly

does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

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[Guest guest]

Wonderful Lilly!! Thanks for that sharing!

 

By the way, I think Jyotish comes to you very naturally! You have a very

beautiful gift of being able to synthesise indications together that is

invaluable! What people like me struggle to learn, comes to you spontaneously!

 

Regards,

Nandini

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

>

> A poem I want to share with the group that goes well with the Nandali's post!

>

> " The Invitation " By Oriah Mountain

>

> It doesn't interest me what you do for a living.

> I want to know what you ache for, and if you dare to dream of meeting your

heart's longing.

> It doesn't interest me what planets are squaring your moon.

> I want to know if you have touched the center of your own sorrow,

> if you have been opened by life's betrayals or have become shriveled and

closed from fear of further pain!

> I want to know if you can sit with pain, mine or your own,

> without moving to hide it or fade it, or fix it.

> It doesn't interest me who you know or how you came to be here.

> I want to know if you will stand in the center of the fire with me and not

shrink back.

> It doesn't interest me where or what or with whom you have studied.

> I want to know what sustains you, from the inside, when all else falls away.

> I want to know if you can be alone with yourself and if you truly like the

company you keep in the empty moments.

>

> Lilly

> emedies , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> >

> > Sharing with you what I read and learnt, not trying to correct or educate

you Lilly, what do I know! I hope you will take it in the right spirit.

> >

> > THEY say that all that we seek outside of ourselves are actually within and

INSIDE is where we need to focus if we really really want anything.

> >

> > WHOM and WHEN and WHO have we loved UNCONDITIONALLY Lilly, that we would get

IT back from the Universe!

> >

> > THEY say

> >

> > " Charity begins at HOME!

> > LOVE yourself first! "

> >

> > Not sure about you but that to me that sounds like some advice all of us

could use. A friend of mine went to see a psychologist recently and was given a

strange advice! She was told " There is a part of you that is a little girl and

stuck there and hasn't grown up. Mother that child! Pay attention to her as you

would your lonely and bruised and abused and neglected daughter who has no one

on earth apart from YOU! Help her grow up. "

> >

> > Not all of us are stuck there and that desperately perhaps Lilly but I am

sure everyone can relate to that in some way or the other. The least we can do

is pay attention to that part of ourself that we feel no one has understood and

loved. And LOVE that part. IF we happen to arrive there, TRUE LOVE should not be

even an arm's length away I guess.

> >

> > There are some perhaps for whom TRUE LOVE is destined in this lifetime due

to the efforts of FREE WILL that they made in some previous lifetime. But for

the rest of us, the journey towards LOVING our ownselves need to continue so

that TRUE LOVE arrives soon and who knows how soon!! It a quest that we need to

take inward and not outward.

> >

> > But sorry for all the gyaan!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Nandini

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Nandini,

> > >

> > > Who on earth does not want to get married(happily ever after)just like our

mothers told us :-)..

> > >

> > > At the same time we all search for TRUE LOVE but never find it in this

world(at least so far it hasn't happen).

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > >

> > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Lilly,

> > > >

> > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read in one of your posts about

your reluctance to get married inspite of many 'opportunities'. To me that

translates to unwillingness to get into 'bandhan'.

> > > >

> > > > We always hear about the negatives of Mangal " Dosh " . Perhaps this is a

spiritual and positive side of it. Perhaps that is why the hesitation in

recommending marriage for such individuals - another way of emphasising the

spiritual strength and inclination of such individuals.

> > > >

> > > > After all who would knowingly want to get married to a person who has it

in him or her to suddenly leave the wordly life and walk away from it all when

CALLED! Unless!!

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > Unless one is ready to walk away with him or her as well, without a

moment's hesitation!

> > > >

> > > > But then these are just thoughts and like I told you I have no

experience.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Nandini

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I

don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of

any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more

you teach!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the

same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is

bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But

wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother

could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE

and ONLY parent – GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will

be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere

does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too

as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will

be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in

4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many

ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the

key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then

it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with

Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun

is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a

birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well

in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually

an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives

life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in

worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns "

and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how

it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be

assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Nandini Ji,

Each and everyone of us are blessed with some special gift, if we only make an

effort to look deep into our soul..So let us embrace what naturally comes to us!

 

Lilly

 

, " nandini " <kakan_leo wrote:

>

> Wonderful Lilly!! Thanks for that sharing!

>

> By the way, I think Jyotish comes to you very naturally! You have a very

beautiful gift of being able to synthesise indications together that is

invaluable! What people like me struggle to learn, comes to you spontaneously!

>

> Regards,

> Nandini

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > A poem I want to share with the group that goes well with the Nandali's

post!

> >

> > " The Invitation " By Oriah Mountain

> >

> > It doesn't interest me what you do for a living.

> > I want to know what you ache for, and if you dare to dream of meeting your

heart's longing.

> > It doesn't interest me what planets are squaring your moon.

> > I want to know if you have touched the center of your own sorrow,

> > if you have been opened by life's betrayals or have become shriveled and

closed from fear of further pain!

> > I want to know if you can sit with pain, mine or your own,

> > without moving to hide it or fade it, or fix it.

> > It doesn't interest me who you know or how you came to be here.

> > I want to know if you will stand in the center of the fire with me and not

shrink back.

> > It doesn't interest me where or what or with whom you have studied.

> > I want to know what sustains you, from the inside, when all else falls away.

> > I want to know if you can be alone with yourself and if you truly like the

company you keep in the empty moments.

> >

> > Lilly

> > emedies , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sharing with you what I read and learnt, not trying to correct or educate

you Lilly, what do I know! I hope you will take it in the right spirit.

> > >

> > > THEY say that all that we seek outside of ourselves are actually within

and INSIDE is where we need to focus if we really really want anything.

> > >

> > > WHOM and WHEN and WHO have we loved UNCONDITIONALLY Lilly, that we would

get IT back from the Universe!

> > >

> > > THEY say

> > >

> > > " Charity begins at HOME!

> > > LOVE yourself first! "

> > >

> > > Not sure about you but that to me that sounds like some advice all of us

could use. A friend of mine went to see a psychologist recently and was given a

strange advice! She was told " There is a part of you that is a little girl and

stuck there and hasn't grown up. Mother that child! Pay attention to her as you

would your lonely and bruised and abused and neglected daughter who has no one

on earth apart from YOU! Help her grow up. "

> > >

> > > Not all of us are stuck there and that desperately perhaps Lilly but I am

sure everyone can relate to that in some way or the other. The least we can do

is pay attention to that part of ourself that we feel no one has understood and

loved. And LOVE that part. IF we happen to arrive there, TRUE LOVE should not be

even an arm's length away I guess.

> > >

> > > There are some perhaps for whom TRUE LOVE is destined in this lifetime due

to the efforts of FREE WILL that they made in some previous lifetime. But for

the rest of us, the journey towards LOVING our ownselves need to continue so

that TRUE LOVE arrives soon and who knows how soon!! It a quest that we need to

take inward and not outward.

> > >

> > > But sorry for all the gyaan!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nandini

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Nandini,

> > > >

> > > > Who on earth does not want to get married(happily ever after)just like

our mothers told us :-)..

> > > >

> > > > At the same time we all search for TRUE LOVE but never find it in this

world(at least so far it hasn't happen).

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read in one of your posts

about your reluctance to get married inspite of many 'opportunities'. To me that

translates to unwillingness to get into 'bandhan'.

> > > > >

> > > > > We always hear about the negatives of Mangal " Dosh " . Perhaps this is a

spiritual and positive side of it. Perhaps that is why the hesitation in

recommending marriage for such individuals - another way of emphasising the

spiritual strength and inclination of such individuals.

> > > > >

> > > > > After all who would knowingly want to get married to a person who has

it in him or her to suddenly leave the wordly life and walk away from it all

when CALLED! Unless!!

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Unless one is ready to walk away with him or her as well, without a

moment's hesitation!

> > > > >

> > > > > But then these are just thoughts and like I told you I have no

experience.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Nandini

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you

I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of

any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more

you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the

same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is

bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn.

But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the

Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience

the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will

be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always

a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide

for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and

father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere

does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too

as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will

be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father)

in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the

key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then

it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and

with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if

Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural

reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun

is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in

a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in

life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns "

and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how

it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be

assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Moderator and Lilly ji,

Thanks for the poem.

I found it so beautiful that i passed/posted it to my home i.e. groups based

exclusively on lalkitab.

As a matter of policy i don't quote one group's name in another but ask for the

permission to forward the message from the moderator first.

But i got mesmerised by the poetry and spontaneously posted this message.

Hope you don't mind.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

 

 

 

 

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Lilly <tigresslilly2005

 

Tue, 19 January, 2010 9:07:39 AM

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

 

 

 

Nandini Ji,

Each and everyone of us are blessed with some special gift, if we only make an

effort to look deep into our soul..So let us embrace what naturally comes to us!

 

Lilly

 

, " nandini " <kakan_leo@. ..> wrote:

>

> Wonderful Lilly!! Thanks for that sharing!

>

> By the way, I think Jyotish comes to you very naturally! You have a very

beautiful gift of being able to synthesise indications together that is

invaluable! What people like me struggle to learn, comes to you spontaneously!

>

> Regards,

> Nandini

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> >

> >

> > A poem I want to share with the group that goes well with the Nandali's

post!

> >

> > " The Invitation " By Oriah Mountain

> >

> > It doesn't interest me what you do for a living.

> > I want to know what you ache for, and if you dare to dream of meeting your

heart's longing.

> > It doesn't interest me what planets are squaring your moon.

> > I want to know if you have touched the center of your own sorrow,

> > if you have been opened by life's betrayals or have become shriveled and

closed from fear of further pain!

> > I want to know if you can sit with pain, mine or your own,

> > without moving to hide it or fade it, or fix it.

> > It doesn't interest me who you know or how you came to be here.

> > I want to know if you will stand in the center of the fire with me and not

shrink back.

> > It doesn't interest me where or what or with whom you have studied.

> > I want to know what sustains you, from the inside, when all else falls away.

> > I want to know if you can be alone with yourself and if you truly like the

company you keep in the empty moments.

> >

> > Lilly

> > emedies@ .com, " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sharing with you what I read and learnt, not trying to correct or educate

you Lilly, what do I know! I hope you will take it in the right spirit.

> > >

> > > THEY say that all that we seek outside of ourselves are actually within

and INSIDE is where we need to focus if we really really want anything.

> > >

> > > WHOM and WHEN and WHO have we loved UNCONDITIONALLY Lilly, that we would

get IT back from the Universe!

> > >

> > > THEY say

> > >

> > > " Charity begins at HOME!

> > > LOVE yourself first! "

> > >

> > > Not sure about you but that to me that sounds like some advice all of us

could use. A friend of mine went to see a psychologist recently and was given a

strange advice! She was told " There is a part of you that is a little girl and

stuck there and hasn't grown up. Mother that child! Pay attention to her as you

would your lonely and bruised and abused and neglected daughter who has no one

on earth apart from YOU! Help her grow up. "

> > >

> > > Not all of us are stuck there and that desperately perhaps Lilly but I am

sure everyone can relate to that in some way or the other. The least we can do

is pay attention to that part of ourself that we feel no one has understood and

loved. And LOVE that part. IF we happen to arrive there, TRUE LOVE should not be

even an arm's length away I guess.

> > >

> > > There are some perhaps for whom TRUE LOVE is destined in this lifetime due

to the efforts of FREE WILL that they made in some previous lifetime. But for

the rest of us, the journey towards LOVING our ownselves need to continue so

that TRUE LOVE arrives soon and who knows how soon!! It a quest that we need to

take inward and not outward.

> > >

> > > But sorry for all the gyaan!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nandini

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Nandini,

> > > >

> > > > Who on earth does not want to get married(happily ever after)just like

our mothers told us :-)..

> > > >

> > > > At the same time we all search for TRUE LOVE but never find it in this

world(at least so far it hasn't happen)..

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read in one of your posts

about your reluctance to get married inspite of many 'opportunities' . To me

that translates to unwillingness to get into 'bandhan'.

> > > > >

> > > > > We always hear about the negatives of Mangal " Dosh " . Perhaps this is a

spiritual and positive side of it. Perhaps that is why the hesitation in

recommending marriage for such individuals - another way of emphasising the

spiritual strength and inclination of such individuals.

> > > > >

> > > > > After all who would knowingly want to get married to a person who has

it in him or her to suddenly leave the wordly life and walk away from it all

when CALLED! Unless!!

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Unless one is ready to walk away with him or her as well, without a

moment's hesitation!

> > > > >

> > > > > But then these are just thoughts and like I told you I have no

experience.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Nandini

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you

I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)...But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of

any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more

you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the

same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is

bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn.

But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the

Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience

the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always

a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide

for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and

father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere

does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too

as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father)

in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the

key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then

it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and

with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if

Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural

reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun

is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in

a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in

life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns "

and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how

it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be

assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Which could bring us back to the beauty of the 8th house Lilly!

 

I believe the Dasha of the 8th Lord could be a time when we are ready to look

for our hidden strengths and weaknesses. In that journey, we would definitely

need the blessings of Mangal Dev, for where else do we get the courage to face

our insecurities and frailities!

 

And if the pada of the 8th is placed on the 10th house of Karma, then our JOB in

this lifetime would utilise those hidden strengths that we came up with after

Manthan.

 

Regards,

Nandini

 

P.S. Why did you add the 'Ji'! :-(

 

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

>

> Nandini Ji,

> Each and everyone of us are blessed with some special gift, if we only make an

effort to look deep into our soul..So let us embrace what naturally comes to us!

>

> Lilly

>

> , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> >

> > Wonderful Lilly!! Thanks for that sharing!

> >

> > By the way, I think Jyotish comes to you very naturally! You have a very

beautiful gift of being able to synthesise indications together that is

invaluable! What people like me struggle to learn, comes to you spontaneously!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Nandini

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > A poem I want to share with the group that goes well with the Nandali's

post!

> > >

> > > " The Invitation " By Oriah Mountain

> > >

> > > It doesn't interest me what you do for a living.

> > > I want to know what you ache for, and if you dare to dream of meeting your

heart's longing.

> > > It doesn't interest me what planets are squaring your moon.

> > > I want to know if you have touched the center of your own sorrow,

> > > if you have been opened by life's betrayals or have become shriveled and

closed from fear of further pain!

> > > I want to know if you can sit with pain, mine or your own,

> > > without moving to hide it or fade it, or fix it.

> > > It doesn't interest me who you know or how you came to be here.

> > > I want to know if you will stand in the center of the fire with me and not

shrink back.

> > > It doesn't interest me where or what or with whom you have studied.

> > > I want to know what sustains you, from the inside, when all else falls

away.

> > > I want to know if you can be alone with yourself and if you truly like the

company you keep in the empty moments.

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > > emedies , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sharing with you what I read and learnt, not trying to correct or

educate you Lilly, what do I know! I hope you will take it in the right spirit.

> > > >

> > > > THEY say that all that we seek outside of ourselves are actually within

and INSIDE is where we need to focus if we really really want anything.

> > > >

> > > > WHOM and WHEN and WHO have we loved UNCONDITIONALLY Lilly, that we would

get IT back from the Universe!

> > > >

> > > > THEY say

> > > >

> > > > " Charity begins at HOME!

> > > > LOVE yourself first! "

> > > >

> > > > Not sure about you but that to me that sounds like some advice all of us

could use. A friend of mine went to see a psychologist recently and was given a

strange advice! She was told " There is a part of you that is a little girl and

stuck there and hasn't grown up. Mother that child! Pay attention to her as you

would your lonely and bruised and abused and neglected daughter who has no one

on earth apart from YOU! Help her grow up. "

> > > >

> > > > Not all of us are stuck there and that desperately perhaps Lilly but I

am sure everyone can relate to that in some way or the other. The least we can

do is pay attention to that part of ourself that we feel no one has understood

and loved. And LOVE that part. IF we happen to arrive there, TRUE LOVE should

not be even an arm's length away I guess.

> > > >

> > > > There are some perhaps for whom TRUE LOVE is destined in this lifetime

due to the efforts of FREE WILL that they made in some previous lifetime. But

for the rest of us, the journey towards LOVING our ownselves need to continue so

that TRUE LOVE arrives soon and who knows how soon!! It a quest that we need to

take inward and not outward.

> > > >

> > > > But sorry for all the gyaan!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Nandini

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Nandini,

> > > > >

> > > > > Who on earth does not want to get married(happily ever after)just like

our mothers told us :-)..

> > > > >

> > > > > At the same time we all search for TRUE LOVE but never find it in this

world(at least so far it hasn't happen).

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hi Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read in one of your posts

about your reluctance to get married inspite of many 'opportunities'. To me that

translates to unwillingness to get into 'bandhan'.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We always hear about the negatives of Mangal " Dosh " . Perhaps this is

a spiritual and positive side of it. Perhaps that is why the hesitation in

recommending marriage for such individuals - another way of emphasising the

spiritual strength and inclination of such individuals.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > After all who would knowingly want to get married to a person who

has it in him or her to suddenly leave the wordly life and walk away from it all

when CALLED! Unless!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Unless one is ready to walk away with him or her as well, without a

moment's hesitation!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But then these are just thoughts and like I told you I have no

experience.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell

you I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let

us know.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship

of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu

owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then

Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the

more you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn.

But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the

Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience

the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or

any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is

always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to

provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother

and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction

anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the

same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial

bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing

father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in

technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me

unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has

the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity

then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases

and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in

their charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and

with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if

Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural

reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and

sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with

father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a

odd entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement

in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in

life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun

" burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier

of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to

be assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

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[Guest guest]

The blessing of Mangala Dev(bhumi putra) will naturally come to us when we

respect our mother earth(SITA MATA) and our divine father. After all he also

worshiped and kept in his heart exalted father Lord Rama with his exalted SUN..

 

Lilly

 

, " nandini " <kakan_leo wrote:

>

> Which could bring us back to the beauty of the 8th house Lilly!

>

> I believe the Dasha of the 8th Lord could be a time when we are ready to look

for our hidden strengths and weaknesses. In that journey, we would definitely

need the blessings of Mangal Dev, for where else do we get the courage to face

our insecurities and frailities!

>

> And if the pada of the 8th is placed on the 10th house of Karma, then our JOB

in this lifetime would utilise those hidden strengths that we came up with after

Manthan.

>

> Regards,

> Nandini

>

> P.S. Why did you add the 'Ji'! :-(

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Nandini Ji,

> > Each and everyone of us are blessed with some special gift, if we only make

an effort to look deep into our soul..So let us embrace what naturally comes to

us!

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Wonderful Lilly!! Thanks for that sharing!

> > >

> > > By the way, I think Jyotish comes to you very naturally! You have a very

beautiful gift of being able to synthesise indications together that is

invaluable! What people like me struggle to learn, comes to you spontaneously!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nandini

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A poem I want to share with the group that goes well with the Nandali's

post!

> > > >

> > > > " The Invitation " By Oriah Mountain

> > > >

> > > > It doesn't interest me what you do for a living.

> > > > I want to know what you ache for, and if you dare to dream of meeting

your heart's longing.

> > > > It doesn't interest me what planets are squaring your moon.

> > > > I want to know if you have touched the center of your own sorrow,

> > > > if you have been opened by life's betrayals or have become shriveled and

closed from fear of further pain!

> > > > I want to know if you can sit with pain, mine or your own,

> > > > without moving to hide it or fade it, or fix it.

> > > > It doesn't interest me who you know or how you came to be here.

> > > > I want to know if you will stand in the center of the fire with me and

not shrink back.

> > > > It doesn't interest me where or what or with whom you have studied.

> > > > I want to know what sustains you, from the inside, when all else falls

away.

> > > > I want to know if you can be alone with yourself and if you truly like

the company you keep in the empty moments.

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > > emedies , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sharing with you what I read and learnt, not trying to correct or

educate you Lilly, what do I know! I hope you will take it in the right spirit.

> > > > >

> > > > > THEY say that all that we seek outside of ourselves are actually

within and INSIDE is where we need to focus if we really really want anything.

> > > > >

> > > > > WHOM and WHEN and WHO have we loved UNCONDITIONALLY Lilly, that we

would get IT back from the Universe!

> > > > >

> > > > > THEY say

> > > > >

> > > > > " Charity begins at HOME!

> > > > > LOVE yourself first! "

> > > > >

> > > > > Not sure about you but that to me that sounds like some advice all of

us could use. A friend of mine went to see a psychologist recently and was given

a strange advice! She was told " There is a part of you that is a little girl and

stuck there and hasn't grown up. Mother that child! Pay attention to her as you

would your lonely and bruised and abused and neglected daughter who has no one

on earth apart from YOU! Help her grow up. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Not all of us are stuck there and that desperately perhaps Lilly but I

am sure everyone can relate to that in some way or the other. The least we can

do is pay attention to that part of ourself that we feel no one has understood

and loved. And LOVE that part. IF we happen to arrive there, TRUE LOVE should

not be even an arm's length away I guess.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are some perhaps for whom TRUE LOVE is destined in this lifetime

due to the efforts of FREE WILL that they made in some previous lifetime. But

for the rest of us, the journey towards LOVING our ownselves need to continue so

that TRUE LOVE arrives soon and who knows how soon!! It a quest that we need to

take inward and not outward.

> > > > >

> > > > > But sorry for all the gyaan!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Nandini

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Nandini,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Who on earth does not want to get married(happily ever after)just

like our mothers told us :-)..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At the same time we all search for TRUE LOVE but never find it in

this world(at least so far it hasn't happen).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read in one of your posts

about your reluctance to get married inspite of many 'opportunities'. To me that

translates to unwillingness to get into 'bandhan'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We always hear about the negatives of Mangal " Dosh " . Perhaps this

is a spiritual and positive side of it. Perhaps that is why the hesitation in

recommending marriage for such individuals - another way of emphasising the

spiritual strength and inclination of such individuals.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After all who would knowingly want to get married to a person who

has it in him or her to suddenly leave the wordly life and walk away from it all

when CALLED! Unless!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Unless one is ready to walk away with him or her as well, without

a moment's hesitation!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But then these are just thoughts and like I told you I have no

experience.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell

you I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let

us know.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship

of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu

owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then

Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to

the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the

more you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together

in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed

in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to

learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and

the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to

experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or

any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of

my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is

always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to

provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother

and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction

anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the

same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial

bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from

his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went

beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as

you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing

father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in

technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me

unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has

the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of

the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory,

ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity

then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases

and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in

their charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution

and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse

and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to

divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and

sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with

father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a

odd entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's

placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's

direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun

" burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier

of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to

be assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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//do we get the courage to face our insecurities and frailities!// remeber also

8th house gives intution too and helps to ward off any frailities.These issue

concern time and spece.

 

 

 

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

 

 

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

 

 

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

 

Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:08 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The blessing of Mangala Dev(bhumi putra) will naturally come to us when we

respect our mother earth(SITA MATA) and our divine father. After all he also

worshiped and kept in his heart exalted father Lord Rama with his exalted SUN..

 

Lilly

 

, " nandini " <kakan_leo@. ..> wrote:

>

> Which could bring us back to the beauty of the 8th house Lilly!

>

> I believe the Dasha of the 8th Lord could be a time when we are ready to look

for our hidden strengths and weaknesses. In that journey, we would definitely

need the blessings of Mangal Dev, for where else do we get the courage to face

our insecurities and frailities!

>

> And if the pada of the 8th is placed on the 10th house of Karma, then our JOB

in this lifetime would utilise those hidden strengths that we came up with after

Manthan.

>

> Regards,

> Nandini

>

> P.S. Why did you add the 'Ji'! :-(

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> >

> >

> > Nandini Ji,

> > Each and everyone of us are blessed with some special gift, if we only make

an effort to look deep into our soul..So let us embrace what naturally comes to

us!

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Wonderful Lilly!! Thanks for that sharing!

> > >

> > > By the way, I think Jyotish comes to you very naturally! You have a very

beautiful gift of being able to synthesise indications together that is

invaluable! What people like me struggle to learn, comes to you spontaneously!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nandini

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > A poem I want to share with the group that goes well with the Nandali's

post!

> > > >

> > > > " The Invitation " By Oriah Mountain

> > > >

> > > > It doesn't interest me what you do for a living.

> > > > I want to know what you ache for, and if you dare to dream of meeting

your heart's longing.

> > > > It doesn't interest me what planets are squaring your moon.

> > > > I want to know if you have touched the center of your own sorrow,

> > > > if you have been opened by life's betrayals or have become shriveled and

closed from fear of further pain!

> > > > I want to know if you can sit with pain, mine or your own,

> > > > without moving to hide it or fade it, or fix it.

> > > > It doesn't interest me who you know or how you came to be here.

> > > > I want to know if you will stand in the center of the fire with me and

not shrink back.

> > > > It doesn't interest me where or what or with whom you have studied.

> > > > I want to know what sustains you, from the inside, when all else falls

away.

> > > > I want to know if you can be alone with yourself and if you truly like

the company you keep in the empty moments.

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > > emedies@ .com, " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sharing with you what I read and learnt, not trying to correct or

educate you Lilly, what do I know! I hope you will take it in the right spirit.

> > > > >

> > > > > THEY say that all that we seek outside of ourselves are actually

within and INSIDE is where we need to focus if we really really want anything.

> > > > >

> > > > > WHOM and WHEN and WHO have we loved UNCONDITIONALLY Lilly, that we

would get IT back from the Universe!

> > > > >

> > > > > THEY say

> > > > >

> > > > > " Charity begins at HOME!

> > > > > LOVE yourself first! "

> > > > >

> > > > > Not sure about you but that to me that sounds like some advice all of

us could use. A friend of mine went to see a psychologist recently and was given

a strange advice! She was told " There is a part of you that is a little girl and

stuck there and hasn't grown up. Mother that child! Pay attention to her as you

would your lonely and bruised and abused and neglected daughter who has no one

on earth apart from YOU! Help her grow up. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Not all of us are stuck there and that desperately perhaps Lilly but I

am sure everyone can relate to that in some way or the other. The least we can

do is pay attention to that part of ourself that we feel no one has understood

and loved. And LOVE that part. IF we happen to arrive there, TRUE LOVE should

not be even an arm's length away I guess.

> > > > >

> > > > > There are some perhaps for whom TRUE LOVE is destined in this lifetime

due to the efforts of FREE WILL that they made in some previous lifetime. But

for the rest of us, the journey towards LOVING our ownselves need to continue so

that TRUE LOVE arrives soon and who knows how soon!! It a quest that we need to

take inward and not outward.

> > > > >

> > > > > But sorry for all the gyaan!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Nandini

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Nandini,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Who on earth does not want to get married(happily ever after)just

like our mothers told us :-)..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > At the same time we all search for TRUE LOVE but never find it in

this world(at least so far it hasn't happen).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hi Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read in one of your posts

about your reluctance to get married inspite of many 'opportunities' . To me

that translates to unwillingness to get into 'bandhan'.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We always hear about the negatives of Mangal " Dosh " . Perhaps this

is a spiritual and positive side of it. Perhaps that is why the hesitation in

recommending marriage for such individuals - another way of emphasising the

spiritual strength and inclination of such individuals.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > After all who would knowingly want to get married to a person who

has it in him or her to suddenly leave the wordly life and walk away from it all

when CALLED! Unless!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Unless one is ready to walk away with him or her as well, without

a moment's hesitation!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But then these are just thoughts and like I told you I have no

experience.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell

you I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let

us know.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship

of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu

owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then

Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to

the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the

more you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together

in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed

in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to

learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and

the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to

experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or

any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of

my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is

always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to

provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother

and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction

anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the

same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial

bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from

his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went

beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as

you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing

father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in

technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me

unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has

the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of

the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory,

ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity

then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases

and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in

their charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution

and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse

and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to

divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and

sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with

father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a

odd entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's

placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's

direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun

" burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier

of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to

be assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

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