Sun's Placement ! 12/1

January 14, 2010

Dear Lilly,

By any chance did you move to the west from India before December of 1983?

Thanks and regards,

Nandini

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Dear Nandani,

>

> Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular

house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What

is chara PitriKarak?

> Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

>

> Lilly

>

> , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lilly,

> >

> > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be

ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a

link between the indicator of parents.

> >

> > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord

in 12th could be a real possibility.

> >

> > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Nandini

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in

jotisha:-)!

> > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my

mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had

some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like

everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress!

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > >

> > > > if I may.

> > > >

> > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also

play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to

suffer.//

> > > >

> > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your

chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of

Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th

house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for

Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > >

> > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate

difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > >

> > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if

this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a

great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY

parent – GOD!!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Nandini

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as

well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart

say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay

away from one another//

> > > > >

> > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone

disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back

pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do!

Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a

joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around.

> > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how

much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family

and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas

of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a

situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies

though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as

well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart

say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay

away from one another

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > >

> > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good

between the father son.

> > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting

a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a

very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > >

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but

saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and

compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any

chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell

you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I

have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be

at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in

effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows

inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun

placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful

enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with

good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct

the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha

sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception

in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal

relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity

there]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will

differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to

verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the

Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is

extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house(

not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious "

planet.

> > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the

power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs,

wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies "

the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause

divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an

accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the

" burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

January 14, 2010

No MA, It was actually 1988.

Lilly

, " nandini " <kakan_leo wrote:

>

> Dear Lilly,

>

> By any chance did you move to the west from India before December of 1983?

>

> Thanks and regards,

> Nandini

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nandani,

> >

> > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular

house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What

is chara PitriKarak?

> > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lilly,

> > >

> > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be

ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a

link between the indicator of parents.

> > >

> > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th

lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > >

> > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nandini

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in

jotisha:-)!

> > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my

mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had

some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like

everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress!

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > if I may.

> > > > >

> > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also

play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to

suffer.//

> > > > >

> > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your

chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of

Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th

house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for

Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate

difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if

this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a

great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY

parent – GOD!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Nandini

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders

as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart

say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay

away from one another//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone

disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back

pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still

do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a

joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around.

> > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how

much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family

and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas

of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such

a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies

though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders

as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart

say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay

away from one another

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good

between the father son.

> > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after

putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc

limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > >

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th

but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and

compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any

chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can

tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house..

I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be

at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in

effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows

inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the

sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful

enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with

good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can

add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha

sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o

exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal

relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity

there]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will

differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to

verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the

Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart

is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house(

not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an

" auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force,

the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly

affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies "

the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause

divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an

accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the

" burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > >

January 15, 2010

Lilly Ji,

Biochemically Fat/Obesse r one and the same .medically as you mentioned.Root

lies with Guru by way of fatty acids.less impact of Ayyappa.

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

Â

--- On Thu, 1/14/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

Thursday, January 14, 2010, 11:17 AM

Â

Ofcourse Krishnan Da, I meant " FAT " as in that which gives us a little warmth,

strength, health,some shape and protects us!!

And not " OBESE " as in extreme, excess overweight which causes more health

problems, and laziness all together.

Lilly

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Brihaspati's preference was for jala rasi.From mool triknoa(fiery sign)Ã‚Â he

traversed to jal rasi ( pisces)and comforted Venus and moved forward for another

jalarasi(if it is of MA or AMMA no matter).making Amma to be more earthy in

Taurus with Venus.Spirit of give and take of wise men to exalt in cacer and

venus to exalt in pisces and moon choice is earthy sign of venus.

> v have fat people known through asuras who comes to mind r son of ravana known

as kumbhakarna( incidental fat goes well with sleep) and also son of Bheema

known as Ghatotkacha. I certainly symbolises less activity and known other wise

lazy due to growth beyond proportion.Not really symbol of health as theyÃ‚Â r

indolent.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Ã‚Â

>

> --- On Thu, 1/14/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Thursday, January 14, 2010, 9:54 AM

>

> Ã‚Â

>

> I am going to go with you Santosh Ji:-)

> What is AM_MA without some lovely fat, in a country of 1 billion where a big

chunk of people don't even get 1 meal a day!

> Fat is actually a symbol of wealth, status, and good health in many ancient

cultures. Is it any wonder that big fat Brihaspati Ji choose to get exlated in

Amma's rashi where he feels a lot of love.

>

> Lilly

>

> , Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rohini Ji,

> >

> > " we " means all those who are not part of south india i suppose. 'cos here in

south india we love it as amma with all fat which is nothing but love and which

remains ma no matter which way you read am or ma.

> >

> > love you amma.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > santhosh

> >

> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > Thu, 14 January, 2010 10:26:49 AM

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > Bingo!

> >

> > We managed to get rid of the keadubg AM from AMMA and now left with just the

trailing MA!

> >

> > That basically is the general plan, Lilly! To get rid of the FAT and to

focus on the CORE!

> >

> > Sweet Dreams!!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ....>

wrote:

> > >

> > > As long as MA's spirit is hear, this forum will thrive and continue!

> > > Jai Hind!

> > > Mata O Mata tum he ho bhagya bidhata

> > >

> > > Ma

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > WIMP!

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Sweetest Children,

> > > > >

> > > > > It's getting late and Amma needs her beauty rest, so goodnight!!

> > > > > Mind your manners while I am away, as I don't want to hear any

complaints from the police ji tomorrow:-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Ma

> > > > >

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But dear Matajee :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What if Papa, for some, daily made sure that the child woke up even

before MA did! It was a win-win-win situation! Papa got his coffee, Ma got to

sleep a few vighatis longer and Bachchaajee learned about the benefits of waking

up early and beginning the day with service (making coffee for Baba) and thereby

learning early the joy of serving! :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A habit that shall continue lifelong! God-willing :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A little bit of fun in the sun(in the spirit of learning) wont

hurt anyone Beta!

> > > > > > > Which reminds me, One day I shall take you children to see Appa

Ji!!

> > > > > > > But promise me my children to be on your best behavior, and stop

fighting amongst yourself! I know how much you all love playing with this toy

called " MAYA " . Please just put an end to it okay.

> > > > > > > So get into the habit of bowing down to the Papa SUN, and practice

reciting " Aditya Hridya Sotra " 2x/daily, so all your sins will be burned up

before you pay him a visit.

> > > > > > > Most beloved Baap Ji needs only most beloved children!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Amma

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly Amma,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If with each posting the number of 'm's increase soon people

will begin to complain that not only you are making fun of Sacred Jyotish but

also stammmmmering! then even Papa Sun or Mangal bhaiyaa will not be able to

protect you or your rights of free speech!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It has always amazed me, switching back to the Love and Saadhnaa

of my life, why Brihaspati has been portrayed as being pious and Grand and so

on, in the allegories and hindu mythology, whereas Bhargava has been depicted as

negative (one-eyed, Asuracharya etc) when he showed the utmost act of

selflessness. With full knowledge of Kach being the son of an 'enemy' he was

welcomed in Shukrachaarya' s home and allowed to fall in love with Shukra's

daughter and even taught sanjivani vidyaa etc -- which is basically why he was

sent to Shukra to learn, by hook or crook/infatuation!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > There is a certain mindset amongst certain elite individuals

(not just in India but other countries too -- it is a human trait!) that one who

is intellectually shrewd and strategic (like Chanakyaa for example, the great

Kootnitigna) and emotionally dead (who else will dare put their only son

KNOWINGLY in the mouth of danger and potential loss of life?). And why would

Devas, the glowing beautiful ones basically USE the asuras for churning the

Milky Way and when the Amrita arrived, all the cunning scheming started again

and through their poor management now we humans are stuck with Rahu and Ketu!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In other mythologies too, the divine ones have often shown this

malicious, political streak in their behaviour! Sadly, this has continued in

human society too where one segment of 'haves' by hook or crook have always

exploited the 'have nots'! The lines are blurring a bit as we move towards 2012,

but history follows us nipping at our heels, as the expression goes ;-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Oh, I forgot to mention Sukhrachar Ji couldn't attend this

divine play(although invited!), since he had to attend some asuras who had

apparently fallen into a ditch!!

> > > > > > > > > Of course Shani Maharaj, and Rahu Kaka were not on the list of

invitees as they have enmity towards Papa SUN.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ammma

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Amma-jee!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Papa SUN is also a star, one of the smallest in fact from

what astronomers tell us ;-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But with distance perspective changes, even though REALITY

does not! For instance, the shapes of the zodiacal signs which appear

'compressed' as often happens to an image shot through a long telephoto lens..

The telephoto of human imagination fills in the gaps and visualizes the shapes

of animals etc in the 2D version of the 3D skies. And that is the mystical part

of astrology which has basically an illogical base but experientially it is

wonderful. It takes a fine-balance to realize that and both those that apply

concrete thinking to astrology and those that go a bit too much in abstract

(almost in hairy-fairy realm) can miss the razor's edge which lies between the

left and the right of this tiny and narrow pagdandi (path) that joins the

Macrocosmos and the microcosmos!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I hear army boots approaching and better go hide!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sweetest divine children,

> > > > > > > > > > > Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must

reveal to you today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you(

but some of you shine more then others!)..

> > > > > > > > > > > Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far

east, as I had accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as

I was flying high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you

Amma was head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me

one at a time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful

SURYA, but that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to

draw closer, but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't

get " burned up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm

luminous light until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji,

Mangal Ji, Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the

heavens..And before I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children,

of course one at a time..

> > > > > > > > > > > SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you

came into " being " , and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to

next generation of joytish children.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Yours truly,

> > > > > > > > > > > Amma

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship

of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu

owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then

Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to

the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the

more you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together

in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed

in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to

learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and

the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ "

to experience the ONE and ONLY parent ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or

any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of

my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is

always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to

provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother

and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction

anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the

same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial

bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from

his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went

beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as

you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing

father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in

technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me

unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has

the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of

the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory,

ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity

then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases

and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in

their charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution

and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse

and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to

divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and

sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with

father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a

odd entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's

placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's

direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun

" burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier

of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to

be assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

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> > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.

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> >

January 15, 2010

belated congrats//a quiz in the Astrological Miscellany column in AM (Bangalore)

way back in the late 70s//-Dada

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

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Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

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--- On Thu, 1/14/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

Thursday, January 14, 2010, 6:04 AM

Â

Santhosh,

Read again your response! No one else is responding or trying the quiz! Only you

are (WHY?) and then you look around and wonder why you alone are doing what you

are doing? And being criticised (mildly) for your attempt! :-)

You would have to return to the original moment when you felt motivated and

uncontrollably so to attempt the Quiz!

You would not have felt that way if you were serving already and giving readings

without worrying about being *examined*.

I learned my lesson long ago when I was successful in solving a quiz in the

Astrological Miscellany column in AM (Bangalore) way back in the late 70s! What

followed, really shook me and completely destroyed the illusion forever!

Let us just leave it at that and right there...!

Rohiniranjan

, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote:

>

> well prashant Ji,

>

> further to what rohini ji has saidÃ‚Â i would still like to use astro

principles. i will study further and make an attempt. I see that nobody else is

even making an attempt.

>

> I think lets not do all the questions at once. let us try atleast one issue,

like 1) identifying the sex or 2) why u can say that they have common father or

3) why common mother.

>

> regards

> santhosh

>

> Ã‚Â

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Thu, 14 January, 2010 3:48:26 PM

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Ã‚Â

> In defence of Santhosh, Kumar jee: in the end, what would matter is how well

the reading-seeker is served! And not, HOW?

>

> Whether he uses astrology or tarot or omens or pishachs or pishachinis or

forms of Ganapathi etc, as long as the intention is sincere and serious, he can

only end up helping!

>

> Serious and sincere: Two important indicators!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Santosh,

> >

> > // I am glad sureshji didnt say we have to use traditional astrology alone

> > at a plateau now. //

> >

> > It is self explainotary isnt it, though u cud use other tools but after that

atleast used some astrological tools as wel.

> >

> > if the result is purelly on dousing then it is a unfair result

> >

> > as we have consistantly accused KP users of non traditional approaches.

> >

> > this is not a easy area no one in todays world of Jyptoshis can really do

them

> >

> > to say gif the given data is

> > of a male/female

> > a/ive/dead

> > human/plant/ animal forms

> > living under one roof or living aprt

> > if from a mmistress family or a 2nd spouse etc

> >

> > though there r many classical rules, info available on this, v few have

applied, used them.

> > and the rules r applied with seriousness, application need based and satvic

life style and a serious clientile are also needed today we r faced with more

material world so ccan't expect ppl to study a chart for hrs max se the

supericial questions and wind up

> >

> > the pouplation and questions have increased manufold and interest, devotion

dwindled same time

> >

> > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

> >

> > Thu, January 14, 2010 2:35:10 PM

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Dear Rohini Ji,

> >

> > Vak-shuddhi, pronounciation or accent.... i have changed the choice of word.

> >

> > Santhosh Jee is absolutely not necessary. I hold you in high esteem as

Suresh Ji and you have noticed that he addresses me by my name alone. Hence,

Santhosh is more than enough for me, chelas.

> >

> > you have explained that karuna and the radar are in a positive sense and

this makes me happy. Chela kush hua.

> >

> > Although i have reached the level of taking up suresh ji's challenge after

you asked me to attempt i did try my hand and i am stuck. He has said each group

has one father and one mother. so i guess these are two families. First i tried

looking at the first group..tried to find if there is anything similar w r t the

9th house, 9th lord, sun karaka for father and saturn karaka for father for

night birth. Then i realised finding a similarity this way would be illogical.

so then i tried to look at the third house of the eldest to see some sibling

connection and i coundnt find any. perhaps i havent looked harder.

> > then i took up the second question of sex and i tried pendulam dousing (only

for set1) and i have arrived at

> > born on 25/9/1974 - female, 14/11/1969- male and 7/10/1972- female. so we

have eldest son and younger two are daughters. I am glad sureshji didnt say we

have to use traditional astrology alone

> >

> > at a plateau now.

> >

> > regards

> > santhosh

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> >

> > Thu, 14 January, 2010 2:15:30 PM

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Oh Dear God NO!

> >

> > Perhaps superficially so, as insisted by some who are, well, umm, er, umm

Superficial! Although accent does get in the way if one is looking for excuses

to not understand you, usually happens in foreign lands ;-)

> >

> > Vak-shuddhi, to me is about communication! It goes way beyond accent,

pronounciation, enunciation, expression, grammar, formatting! It is about, " Did

the message go across? "

> >

> > " Fella " is not really derogatory but an expression of familiarity! If it

bothers you, I will turn it off and go artificially formal and even address you

as Santhosh_jee if that makes you feel more comfortable! The reason for Karuna

as you call it is based on your private emails sent to me! Since you asked, I

tell -- I am very direct as you may have figured out by now! Useful trait for

Jyotishis, absolutely bad for politicians and actors and actresses!!

> >

> > Enough or Aur kuch bolun? :-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > I agree with you on Vak-shuddhi. It is more with reference to

pronounciation isnt it?

> > > here it is in connection with choice of words. my word 'prediction' stands

corrected to the word 'observation' .

> > > is the word 'Fella' part of Vak-shuddhi too?

> > >

> > > I prefer to give you respect by addressing you properly even when you are

attacking me.

> > >

> > > I feel honoured that i am on your Radar and will continue for 'some' time,

though i fail to understand the reason for that karuna. is there some background

incident that's instigating this attitude?

> > >

> > > thanks for liking my style. honoured again.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > santhosh

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > >

> > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 1:30:59 PM

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > Dear Santhosh jee,

> > >

> > > We Jyotishis must use words carefully (Vak-shuddhi at the very elementary

level!)!

> > >

> > > What I wrote was an observation (PRESENT Tense) whereas a prediction is

generally about FUTURE Tense!

> > >

> > > I hope I am not giving you too much agony?

> > >

> > > I like your style and demeanour!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > your prediction is absolutely right.

> > > >

> > > > thanks Rohini Ji

> > > >

> > > > regards

> > > > santhosh

> > > >

> > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 1:15:22 PM

> > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > >

> > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > You sounded weary! But now you sound really worn down!!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ ....>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Alright Rohini Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > Good day to you

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > > santhosh

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > >

> > > > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 12:54:55 PM

> > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > >

ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > I would let you take that up with your Guruji! Let us not get

'concrete'! Thread is not a unit, but a skein!!

> > > > >

> > > > > :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@ ....>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //Listen to Suresh jee! Read the whole thread and pay attention!

;-)//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Suresh Ji is my Guru and i always Listen and Pay Attention to him. I

went down till the bottom of this thread. He has not partcipated in this thread.

are you referring to some other thread?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How is your day?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > > santhosh

> > > > > >

ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡\

ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 11:47:15 AM

> > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > >

ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â\

‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡\

ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > I have also stated with all humility and a heart full of gratitude

that much of BPHS is extremely useful and without it (and similar texts) none of

us would ever have ventured into Jyotish and found this wonderful discipline!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Listen to Suresh jee! Read the whole thread and pay attention! ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You were probably not paying attention and just chose to pick and

choose the negative phrases either because you wished to attack BPHS or me! ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@

....> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > from your own articles you have said

thatÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â 'ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€\

šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã†'\

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’\

Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡\

Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡ there are so many versions of

BPHS that it is difficult to say how many additions and deletions have taken

place (not in these exact words of course-if i dont take this bail, you will ask

me to tell you the article where this is stated so). hence, would like to use

the word corrupt. I mean the transalations available today. are you saying that

in the ORIGINAL sanskrit version rahu and ketu have been given ownership. my

explanation ends here and let the seniors educate the juniors rather than the

other way around.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > santhosh

> > > > > > >

ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â 'ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â\

¢ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢\

Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢\

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬\

Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 11:29:26 AM

> > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > >

ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â 'ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â\

¢ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢\

Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â¦ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¢ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢\

ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¬ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬\

Ãƒâ€¦Ã‚Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…Â¡ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡

> > > > > > > so are you saying that BPHS is corrupt? ;-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Most versions?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please explain and educate us, Santhosh jee!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Santhosh <santhosh10@

....> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > yes some modern transalators have managed to give rahu and ketu

ownership of some house, which even surya and chandra couldnt accomplish while

distributing the rashis among the planets...so you might in all probability hear

a quote from a classic which will be from some transalation. .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regards

> > > > > > > > santhosh

> > > > > > > >

ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Â 'ÃƒÆ’Ã†'ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã‚Â 'ÃƒÆ’Ã†'Ãƒâ€ 'ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡\

Ã‚Â¬

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thu, 14 January, 2010 1:03:00 AM

> > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1