Sun's Placement ! 12/1

January 13, 2010

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RR_?

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Dada,

> Occassions for interaction and involvelement arise as the discussion on the

topic involved and the reference made used.At that point we do not understand or

think of neighbours.winter times cup of tea is always is refreshing and that if

one is not out of dungeons.

> 1.We can not ignore composition of internet forums.This thread being shared

is " for of tea "

> Secondly

>

> 2.//already know or are too Jaded anyways!//Perhaps this is where concept of

Ma helps and invigoartes for all of us to understand working of Other Nature.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Â

>

> --- On Wed, 1/13/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:43 AM

>

> Â

>

> If sun were unbalanced and lop-sided, dada, would Bode's law operate as it

does and predicted non-identified/ discovered planets?

>

> Unless the astrological sun that you talk and quote about is different from

the sun that we wake up to and work under, most of us anyways?

>

> Long ago, I had an encounter with 'Sun-Factor' , that plagues Jyotishis

(sudarshan chakra types) and tropical astrologers! I have written about it

earlier.

>

> In Eysenck and Nias' book on astrology and superstition there is an european

study quoted that *examined* the correlation of tropical sunsigns and

professions and the conclusion was: They do not correlate reliably!

>

> I was a student in India back then (mid-70s) working on my thesis, but felt

motivated to challenge the psychologist that brought some interesting and

important insights and tests about intelligence and so forth.

>

> My question was simple: " Did this study, Dr. Eysenck, look at the correlation

between profession, sun sign and 10th house rulership of SUN in the individual

charts? And did it consider the fact that a large number of astrologers in India

would have placed the SUN in a different sign, because there is a sidereal

zodiac! "

>

> The kind European gentleman, and an admirable and admired scholar in his

field, did write back! When they (E and N) were researching for their book, they

did not hear back from any Indian astrologer! Essentially, they did not take

into consideration JYOTISH!

>

> I was frankly quite taken aback! I was under the impression that through all

those lectures and visits to Europe and USA, Prof. BV Raman had made sure that

the voice of Jyotish was well-known or at least heard in the west!

>

> Then I read about Alan Leo, his correspondence with the Raman Family and then

the utilization of the DWADs (dwadashamsha) in Tropical astrology and the whole

concept about Harmonics!

>

> I suppose we all are Human beings, even though we talk about the DIVINE as if

they were just recently here to share a pot of tea with us earthly folks!

>

> Don't waste time educating just your neighbours! They already know or are too

Jaded anyways!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Members.

> > Plcement of Planets with reference to lagna in first seven signs of in

visible half and the next seven commencing from7th(libra) .Such understanding

however comes with bahva chart and makes it meaningful for the struggles(through

saturn) and achievements( through sun).

> > Sun gets exalted in Aries,is the first house Aries(kalpurusha Chakra.where

as saturn exalts in 7th house,the first sign of visible half of kalchakra..AS

all we know 7th sign is libra.

> > Thus it denotes saturn and Sun in mutual opposition denotes rise in life

only to fall.

> > Sun symbolising for ego is bound to be self centered and lopsided and not

judiciously balanced.

> > These views of Shri H.R.Shankar certainly helpful for our further

deliberationsLot has been conjured about the atmakaraka.soul and father etc.in

this thread.Sun as the soul probably carries a lot of significance in our

language of planets/symbols.

> > Shri H.R.Shankar in A.M(Aug 1986) mentioned " Status of the Soul,that has

taken in this Life " .

> > Accordingly position of the Sun is PIVOTAL POINT in Horoscope... ....Lagna

is

> > the diurnal position of Sun

> > Father (sun),the seed from which the life sprouts

> > further:

> > the kind of contribution each planet makes with reference to the Lagna or

the soul detrmines whether it malefic or benific depending upon the manner in

which (planets) help the soul to achieve it;s objective.

> > These points of Shri H.R Shankar to ponderÃ‚Â

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:35 PM

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > Lily

> >

> > as said by u also there r other factors that add or deduct the possible

scene in case no accident combinations r not there no injuries

> >

> > similalry if sun is not in Asc or 4 or 6th over all health can be better.

> >

> > but as said these r stats with some research by some good astgros of the

past golden era of astrologers

> >

> > e.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> >

> > Tue, January 12, 2010 11:37:52 PM

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well

apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in

hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away

from one another//

> >

> > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on

wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture),

headaches etc.

> > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never

lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined

family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around.

> > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much

responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@

....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > >

> > > a v good point-distinction

> > >

> > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a

situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies

though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family]

> > >

> > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well

apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in

hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away

from one another

> > >

> > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > >

> > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between

the father son.

> > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot

of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very

calm, composed gentleman.

> > >

> > > prashant

> > >

> > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > >

> > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but

saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and

compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-)

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

.....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > >

> > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance

Prashant Ji?

> > > >

> > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you

it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a

great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds

with each other sometimes.

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways.

> > > > >

> > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the

other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > >

> > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance,

inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed

in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/

professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig,

shad balas

> > > > >

> > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the

results of other bhavas

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if

other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in

the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death

etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in

other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > >

> > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as

4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there]

> > > > >

> > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > >

> > > > > prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ

from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify

ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures

folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder..

Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > >

> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is

extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too

sure about the other houses).

> > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious "

planet.

> > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power

of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth

and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the

house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause

divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an

accurate picture).

> > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and

" purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

January 13, 2010

Is It?Iam yet to find it?when?

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

Â

--- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:12 PM

Â

Dear Krishnan_dada,

I had some rather pointed questions posted at you earlier. I realize that you

are very busy but you will eventually get to my questions and whether you choose

to respond to the 'ant-bites' or not, I am sure you (and others) shall find a

way!

Houses and indications (particularly the core ones) indicate the INVARIABLE in a

lifetime.

Charakarakas, then *can* point towards karmic challenges and what sometimes one

tends to overlook and ignore. Particularly when atmakaraka is involved with a

karmic planet such as Gulika.

I cannot quote a Classical strotra (I have written enough about Classics even at

the risk of getting some friends and well-wishers turn against me! As opposed to

against my words!!) but the two terms: KARMA and KARAKA had been my CLUE!

May those be yours too, to seek and explore and find!

Regards,

Rohiniranjan

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Prashnt Ji,

> Feb2008 old A.M was put on their web:www.astrologica lmagazines. com.Archieves

were made avialable.Readers used to get back volumeas.Unfortunat ely AM family

happened to be in distress.Ã‚Â

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Ã‚Â

>

> --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote:

>

> Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..>

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 12:59 PM

>

> Ã‚Â

>

> Dear Krishna ji

>

> well ur msg sounds more soothing and reliving that they r coming out of the

dark phase for the good of the astrological family themselves and thus the world

of astrologers at large the biggest contrubutors to the subject for at least 4

generations. earlier it happens the better

>

> let us hope the material becomes public for all.

>

> ..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow

s & tbl=6

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

>

> Tue, January 12, 2010 10:49:56 PM

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Dear Members.

> Certainly this is miscommunicated issue.A.M data base was very much kept in

archieves by M/S raman Publications. This treasure was also taken over under the

custody of ICAS library.

> The role of brother is about eAstrological Magazine commenced from July2009 in

which mebership si ope,

> where as Argany Publications Modern Astrological magazine through Argany

Publication is under the stewardship of Mrs gaytri Vasudev.Most of family

affairs of late ramans family are now getting sorted out.It is now a question of

time.ICAS ,banglore deemed university is a trust and has the blessings of this

family as a whole.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

>

> --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:05 AM

>

> Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and uploading

those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored meanings!) should

have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or Times of Astrology

etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-)

>

> It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright issues and

now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@

.....> wrote:

> >

> > Lilly,

> >

> > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and pre-NET

days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF GAYATHRI DAVEI

VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe magazine now

and her brothers have taken over

> > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine is

> > eastrologicalmagazi ne.com so u can write to them

> >

> > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her

> > publicationsagrany@ ...;

> >

> > and one run by her brothers is

> >

> > Niranjan Babu B <cru115@

> >

> > ----

> > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> >

> > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines

over the years esp in the late 80's//

> >

> > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant

Ji?

> >

> > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it

does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a

great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds

with each other sometimes.

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@

...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly,

> > >

> > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways.

> > >

> > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the

other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > >

> > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance,

inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in

trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/

professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig,

shad balas

> > >

> > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the

results of other bhavas

> > >

> > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if

other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in

the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death

etc.

> > >

> > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other

places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > >

> > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th

represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there]

> > >

> > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines

over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > >

> > > prashant

> > >

> > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from

non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur

birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures

folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > >

> > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > Sun's Placement !

> > >

> > > Dear Members,

> > >

> > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely

important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too

sure about the other houses).

> > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of

will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and

many other wonderful things.

> > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he

sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/

separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate

picture).

> > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and

" purifying " works in a chart?

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

January 13, 2010

Dear Krishnan ji,

My questions were posted in response to:

/message/69589

Basically trying to find out who is *managing* the archives (contact address

just in case you did not have the answers, website if one exists, pricing,

full-text or ToC or abstract etc.!) Just usual stuff

like that!

RR_,

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Is It?Iam yet to find it?when?

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Â

>

> --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:12 PM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Krishnan_dada,

>

> I had some rather pointed questions posted at you earlier. I realize that you

are very busy but you will eventually get to my questions and whether you choose

to respond to the 'ant-bites' or not, I am sure you (and others) shall find a

way!

>

> Houses and indications (particularly the core ones) indicate the INVARIABLE in

a lifetime.

>

> Charakarakas, then *can* point towards karmic challenges and what sometimes

one tends to overlook and ignore. Particularly when atmakaraka is involved with

a karmic planet such as Gulika.

>

> I cannot quote a Classical strotra (I have written enough about Classics even

at the risk of getting some friends and well-wishers turn against me! As opposed

to against my words!!) but the two terms: KARMA and KARAKA had been my CLUE!

>

> May those be yours too, to seek and explore and find!

>

> Regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashnt Ji,

> > Feb2008 old A.M was put on their web:www.astrologica lmagazines.

com.Archieves were made avialable.Readers used to get back volumeas.Unfortunat

ely AM family happened to be in distress.Ã‚Â

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 12:59 PM

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji

> >

> > well ur msg sounds more soothing and reliving that they r coming out of the

dark phase for the good of the astrological family themselves and thus the world

of astrologers at large the biggest contrubutors to the subject for at least 4

generations. earlier it happens the better

> >

> > let us hope the material becomes public for all.

> >

> > ..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> >

> > Tue, January 12, 2010 10:49:56 PM

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Dear Members.

> > Certainly this is miscommunicated issue.A.M data base was very much kept in

archieves by M/S raman Publications. This treasure was also taken over under the

custody of ICAS library.

> > The role of brother is about eAstrological Magazine commenced from July2009

in which mebership si ope,

> > where as Argany Publications Modern Astrological magazine through Argany

Publication is under the stewardship of Mrs gaytri Vasudev.Most of family

affairs of late ramans family are now getting sorted out.It is now a question of

time.ICAS ,banglore deemed university is a trust and has the blessings of this

family as a whole.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:05 AM

> >

> > Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and

uploading those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored

meanings!) should have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or

Times of Astrology etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-)

> >

> > It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright issues

and now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@

.....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly,

> > >

> > > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and

pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF

GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe

magazine now and her brothers have taken over

> > > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine is

> > > eastrologicalmagazi ne.com so u can write to them

> > >

> > > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her

> > > publicationsagrany@ ...;

> > >

> > > and one run by her brothers is

> > >

> > > Niranjan Babu B <cru115@

> > >

> > > ----

> > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > >

> > > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines

over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > >

> > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance

Prashant Ji?

> > >

> > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it

does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a

great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds

with each other sometimes.

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@

...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Lilly,

> > > >

> > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways.

> > > >

> > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the

other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > >

> > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance,

inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed

in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/

professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig,

shad balas

> > > >

> > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the

results of other bhavas

> > > >

> > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if

other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in

the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death

etc.

> > > >

> > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other

places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > >

> > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as

4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there]

> > > >

> > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines

over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > >

> > > > prashant

> > > >

> > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from

non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur

birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures

folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > >

> > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is

extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too

sure about the other houses).

> > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power

of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth

and many other wonderful things.

> > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house

he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/

separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate

picture).

> > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and

" purifying " works in a chart?

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

January 13, 2010

Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

It has no pricing.It is an educative site of ICAS.They have archieves.For

members it is accessible.I will get back to you please.Pl bear with me.

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

Â

--- On Wed, 1/13/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:37 AM

Â

Dear Krishnan ji,

My questions were posted in response to:

http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ message/69589

Basically trying to find out who is *managing* the archives (contact address

just in case you did not have the answers, website if one exists, pricing,

full-text or ToC or abstract etc.!) Just usual stuff

like that!

RR_,

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Is It?Iam yet to find it?when?

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Ã‚Â

>

> --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:12 PM

>

> Ã‚Â

>

> Dear Krishnan_dada,

>

> I had some rather pointed questions posted at you earlier. I realize that you

are very busy but you will eventually get to my questions and whether you choose

to respond to the 'ant-bites' or not, I am sure you (and others) shall find a

way!

>

> Houses and indications (particularly the core ones) indicate the INVARIABLE in

a lifetime.

>

> Charakarakas, then *can* point towards karmic challenges and what sometimes

one tends to overlook and ignore. Particularly when atmakaraka is involved with

a karmic planet such as Gulika.

>

> I cannot quote a Classical strotra (I have written enough about Classics even

at the risk of getting some friends and well-wishers turn against me! As opposed

to against my words!!) but the two terms: KARMA and KARAKA had been my CLUE!

>

> May those be yours too, to seek and explore and find!

>

> Regards,

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Prashnt Ji,

> > Feb2008 old A.M was put on their web:www.astrologica lmagazines.

com.Archieves were made avialable.Readers used to get back volumeas.Unfortunat

ely AM family happened to be in distress.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 12:59 PM

> >

> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji

> >

> > well ur msg sounds more soothing and reliving that they r coming out of the

dark phase for the good of the astrological family themselves and thus the world

of astrologers at large the biggest contrubutors to the subject for at least 4

generations. earlier it happens the better

> >

> > let us hope the material becomes public for all.

> >

> > ..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> >

> > Tue, January 12, 2010 10:49:56 PM

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Dear Members.

> > Certainly this is miscommunicated issue.A.M data base was very much kept in

archieves by M/S raman Publications. This treasure was also taken over under the

custody of ICAS library.

> > The role of brother is about eAstrological Magazine commenced from July2009

in which mebership si ope,

> > where as Argany Publications Modern Astrological magazine through Argany

Publication is under the stewardship of Mrs gaytri Vasudev.Most of family

affairs of late ramans family are now getting sorted out.It is now a question of

time.ICAS ,banglore deemed university is a trust and has the blessings of this

family as a whole.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:05 AM

> >

> > Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and

uploading those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored

meanings!) should have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or

Times of Astrology etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-)

> >

> > It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright issues

and now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@

.....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly,

> > >

> > > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and

pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF

GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe

magazine now and her brothers have taken over

> > > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine is

> > > eastrologicalmagazi ne.com so u can write to them

> > >

> > > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her

> > > publicationsagrany@ ...;

> > >

> > > and one run by her brothers is

> > >

> > > Niranjan Babu B <cru115@

> > >

> > > ----

> > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > >

> > > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines

over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > >

> > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance

Prashant Ji?

> > >

> > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it

does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a

great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds

with each other sometimes.

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@

...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Lilly,

> > > >

> > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways.

> > > >

> > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the

other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > >

> > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance,

inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed

in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/

professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig,

shad balas

> > > >

> > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the

results of other bhavas

> > > >

> > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if

other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in

the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death

etc.

> > > >

> > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other

places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > >

> > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as

4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there]

> > > >

> > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines

over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > >

> > > > prashant

> > > >

> > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from

non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur

birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures

folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder..

Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members,

> > > >

> > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is

extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too

sure about the other houses).

> > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power

of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth

and many other wonderful things.

> > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house

he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/

separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate

picture).

> > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and

" purifying " works in a chart?

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

January 13, 2010

You better write to me privately or some self-appointed Daroga will attack us

with his ego-stick again ;-)

Jai Shani Maharaj!

Rohiniranjan

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> It has no pricing.It is an educative site of ICAS.They have archieves.For

members it is accessible.I will get back to you please.Pl bear with me.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Â

>

> --- On Wed, 1/13/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:37 AM

>

> Â

>

> Dear Krishnan ji,

>

> My questions were posted in response to:

>

> http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ message/69589

>

> Basically trying to find out who is *managing* the archives (contact address

just in case you did not have the answers, website if one exists, pricing,

full-text or ToC or abstract etc.!) Just usual stuff

> like that!

>

> RR_,

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Is It?Iam yet to find it?when?

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:12 PM

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > Dear Krishnan_dada,

> >

> > I had some rather pointed questions posted at you earlier. I realize that

you are very busy but you will eventually get to my questions and whether you

choose to respond to the 'ant-bites' or not, I am sure you (and others) shall

find a way!

> >

> > Houses and indications (particularly the core ones) indicate the INVARIABLE

in a lifetime.

> >

> > Charakarakas, then *can* point towards karmic challenges and what sometimes

one tends to overlook and ignore. Particularly when atmakaraka is involved with

a karmic planet such as Gulika.

> >

> > I cannot quote a Classical strotra (I have written enough about Classics

even at the risk of getting some friends and well-wishers turn against me! As

opposed to against my words!!) but the two terms: KARMA and KARAKA had been my

CLUE!

> >

> > May those be yours too, to seek and explore and find!

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Prashnt Ji,

> > > Feb2008 old A.M was put on their web:www.astrologica lmagazines.

com.Archieves were made avialable.Readers used to get back volumeas.Unfortunat

ely AM family happened to be in distress.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> > >

> > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 12:59 PM

> > >

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

> > > Dear Krishna ji

> > >

> > > well ur msg sounds more soothing and reliving that they r coming out of

the dark phase for the good of the astrological family themselves and thus the

world of astrologers at large the biggest contrubutors to the subject for at

least 4 generations. earlier it happens the better

> > >

> > > let us hope the material becomes public for all.

> > >

> > > ..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > >

> > > Tue, January 12, 2010 10:49:56 PM

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > Dear Members.

> > > Certainly this is miscommunicated issue.A.M data base was very much kept

in archieves by M/S raman Publications. This treasure was also taken over under

the custody of ICAS library.

> > > The role of brother is about eAstrological Magazine commenced from

July2009 in which mebership si ope,

> > > where as Argany Publications Modern Astrological magazine through Argany

Publication is under the stewardship of Mrs gaytri Vasudev.Most of family

affairs of late ramans family are now getting sorted out.It is now a question of

time.ICAS ,banglore deemed university is a trust and has the blessings of this

family as a whole.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:05 AM

> > >

> > > Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and

uploading those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored

meanings!) should have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or

Times of Astrology etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-)

> > >

> > > It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright issues

and now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud!

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@

.....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Lilly,

> > > >

> > > > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and

pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF

GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe

magazine now and her brothers have taken over

> > > > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine

is

> > > > eastrologicalmagazi ne.com so u can write to them

> > > >

> > > > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her

> > > > publicationsagrany@ ...;

> > > >

> > > > and one run by her brothers is

> > > >

> > > > Niranjan Babu B <cru115@

> > > >

> > > > ----

> > > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > >

> > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM

> > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > >

> > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > >

> > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance

Prashant Ji?

> > > >

> > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you

it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a

great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds

with each other sometimes.

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways.

> > > > >

> > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the

other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > >

> > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance,

inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed

in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/

professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig,

shad balas

> > > > >

> > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the

results of other bhavas

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if

other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in

the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death

etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in

other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > >

> > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as

4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there]

> > > > >

> > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > >

> > > > > prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ

from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify

ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures

folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder..

Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > >

> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is

extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too

sure about the other houses).

> > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious "

planet.

> > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power

of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth

and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the

house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause

divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an

accurate picture).

> > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and

" purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

January 13, 2010

Dear Lilly,

If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler of

your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link

between the indicator of parents.

Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in

12th could be working for you.

Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach!

Regards,

Nandini

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)!

> You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my

mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had

some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like

everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress!

>

> Lilly

>

> , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lilly,

> >

> > if I may.

> >

> > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a

dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.//

> >

> > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your

chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of

Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th

house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for

Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury.

> >

> > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult

experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> >

> > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this

coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great

spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent –

GOD!!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Nandini

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well

apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in

hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away

from one another//

> > >

> > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock

on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor

posture), headaches etc.

> > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do!

Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a

joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around.

> > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much

responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

January 13, 2010

Dear Nandani,

Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular house

or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What is

chara PitriKarak?

Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

Lilly

, " nandini " <kakan_leo wrote:

>

> Dear Lilly,

>

> If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be ruler

of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a link

between the indicator of parents.

>

> Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord in

12th could be a real possibility.

>

> Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach!

>

> Regards,

> Nandini

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)!

> > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my

mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had

some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like

everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress!

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lilly,

> > >

> > > if I may.

> > >

> > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play

a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.//

> > >

> > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your

chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of

Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th

house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for

Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > >

> > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate

difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > >

> > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this

coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great

spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent –

GOD!!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nandini

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as

well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart

say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay

away from one another//

> > > >

> > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone

disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back

pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do!

Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a

joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around.

> > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how

much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family

and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas

of life is bound to suffer.

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > >

> > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a

situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies

though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family]

> > > > >

> > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as

well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart

say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay

away from one another

> > > > >

> > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > >

> > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good

between the father son.

> > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a

lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a

very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > >

> > > > > prashant

> > > > >

> > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > >

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > >

> > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but

saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and

compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

....> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance

Prashant Ji?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell

you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I

have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be

at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects

the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows

inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun

placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful

enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with

good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct

the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall

if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun]

in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death

etc.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in

other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives

[as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will

differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to

verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the

Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is

extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not

too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious "

planet.

> > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the

power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs,

wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the

house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause

divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an

accurate picture).

> > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn "

and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

January 13, 2010

I did find the ICAS webpage, Dada (There are many ICASes but was easy to find

using ICAS and Jyotish). Nice site, would be of great interest to beginners

because they offer courses and diplomas/certificates but I could not find the

archives button. Perhaps it shows up only after one becomes a member. Oh well --

one inspector and two constables so far ... and counting. My green bicycle

escaped with minor dents only! What a terrible disaster in Haiti :-( You may

wish to read Tatvamasi jee's posting on VA (link posted here by me).

Rohiniranjan

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> You better write to me privately or some self-appointed Daroga will attack us

with his ego-stick again ;-)

>

> Jai Shani Maharaj!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shri Rohini Ji,

> > It has no pricing.It is an educative site of ICAS.They have archieves.For

members it is accessible.I will get back to you please.Pl bear with me.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Â

> >

> > --- On Wed, 1/13/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 3:37 AM

> >

> > Â

> >

> > Dear Krishnan ji,

> >

> > My questions were posted in response to:

> >

> > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ message/69589

> >

> > Basically trying to find out who is *managing* the archives (contact address

just in case you did not have the answers, website if one exists, pricing,

full-text or ToC or abstract etc.!) Just usual stuff

> > like that!

> >

> > RR_,

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Is It?Iam yet to find it?when?

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > Ã‚Â

> > >

> > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 10:12 PM

> > >

> > > Ã‚Â

> > >

> > > Dear Krishnan_dada,

> > >

> > > I had some rather pointed questions posted at you earlier. I realize that

you are very busy but you will eventually get to my questions and whether you

choose to respond to the 'ant-bites' or not, I am sure you (and others) shall

find a way!

> > >

> > > Houses and indications (particularly the core ones) indicate the

INVARIABLE in a lifetime.

> > >

> > > Charakarakas, then *can* point towards karmic challenges and what

sometimes one tends to overlook and ignore. Particularly when atmakaraka is

involved with a karmic planet such as Gulika.

> > >

> > > I cannot quote a Classical strotra (I have written enough about Classics

even at the risk of getting some friends and well-wishers turn against me! As

opposed to against my words!!) but the two terms: KARMA and KARAKA had been my

CLUE!

> > >

> > > May those be yours too, to seek and explore and find!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Prashnt Ji,

> > > > Feb2008 old A.M was put on their web:www.astrologica lmagazines.

com.Archieves were made avialable.Readers used to get back volumeas.Unfortunat

ely AM family happened to be in distress.Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..>

> > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 12:59 PM

> > > >

> > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishna ji

> > > >

> > > > well ur msg sounds more soothing and reliving that they r coming out of

the dark phase for the good of the astrological family themselves and thus the

world of astrologers at large the biggest contrubutors to the subject for at

least 4 generations. earlier it happens the better

> > > >

> > > > let us hope the material becomes public for all.

> > > >

> > > > ..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 >

> > > >

> > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 10:49:56 PM

> > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members.

> > > > Certainly this is miscommunicated issue.A.M data base was very much kept

in archieves by M/S raman Publications. This treasure was also taken over under

the custody of ICAS library.

> > > > The role of brother is about eAstrological Magazine commenced from

July2009 in which mebership si ope,

> > > > where as Argany Publications Modern Astrological magazine through Argany

Publication is under the stewardship of Mrs gaytri Vasudev.Most of family

affairs of late ramans family are now getting sorted out.It is now a question of

time.ICAS ,banglore deemed university is a trust and has the blessings of this

family as a whole.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > >

> > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

> > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > >

> > > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:05 AM

> > > >

> > > > Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and

uploading those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored

meanings!) should have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or

Times of Astrology etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-)

> > > >

> > > > It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright

issues and now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud!

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@ ....> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and

pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF

GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe

magazine now and her brothers have taken over

> > > > > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine

is

> > > > > eastrologicalmagazi ne.com so u can write to them

> > > > >

> > > > > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her

> > > > > publicationsagrany@ ...;

> > > > >

> > > > > and one run by her brothers is

> > > > >

> > > > > Niranjan Babu B <cru115@

> > > > >

> > > > > ----

> > > > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > >

> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > >

> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM

> > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > >

> > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > >

> > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance

Prashant Ji?

> > > > >

> > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you

it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a

great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds

with each other sometimes.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects

the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > >

> > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows

inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun

placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful

enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with

good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the

results of other bhavas

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall

if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun]

in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death

etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in

other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > >

> > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives

[as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ

from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify

ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures

folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder..

Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is

extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not

too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious "

planet.

> > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the

power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs,

wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the

house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause

divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an

accurate picture).

> > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn "

and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

January 14, 2010

Sweetest divine children,

Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you today,

to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you shine

more then others!)..

Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had accumulated

enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying high into the

mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was head over heals,

it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a time..Until then, I

had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but that day I actually

witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer, but he warned me to

admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned up " . We danced,

rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light until

SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji, Chandra

Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before I knew

it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a time..

SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " , and

it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of

joytish children.

Yours truly,

Amma

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Dear Nandani,

>

> Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular

house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What

is chara PitriKarak?

> Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

>

> Lilly

>

> , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lilly,

> >

> > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be

ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a

link between the indicator of parents.

> >

> > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th lord

in 12th could be a real possibility.

> >

> > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Nandini

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in

jotisha:-)!

> > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my

mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had

some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like

everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress!

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > >

> > > > if I may.

> > > >

> > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also

play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to

suffer.//

> > > >

> > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your

chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of

Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th

house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for

Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > >

> > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate

difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > >

> > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if

this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a

great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY

parent – GOD!!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Nandini

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as

well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart

say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay

away from one another//

> > > > >

> > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone

disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back

pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do!

Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a

joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around.

> > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how

much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family

and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas

of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a

situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies

though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family]

> > > > > >

> > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as

well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart

say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay

away from one another

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > >

> > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good

between the father son.

> > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting

a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a

very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > prashant

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > >

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but

saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and

compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any

chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell

you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I

have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be

at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in

effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows

inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun

placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful

enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with

good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct

the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha

sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception

in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal

relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity

there]

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will

differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to

verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the

Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is

extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house(

not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious "

planet.

> > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the

power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs,

wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies "

the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause

divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an

accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the

" burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

January 14, 2010

Dear Amma-jee!

Papa SUN is also a star, one of the smallest in fact from what astronomers tell

us ;-)

But with distance perspective changes, even though REALITY does not! For

instance, the shapes of the zodiacal signs which appear 'compressed' as often

happens to an image shot through a long telephoto lens. The telephoto of human

imagination fills in the gaps and visualizes the shapes of animals etc in the 2D

version of the 3D skies. And that is the mystical part of astrology which has

basically an illogical base but experientially it is wonderful. It takes a

fine-balance to realize that and both those that apply concrete thinking to

astrology and those that go a bit too much in abstract (almost in hairy-fairy

realm) can miss the razor's edge which lies between the left and the right of

this tiny and narrow pagdandi (path) that joins the Macrocosmos and the

microcosmos!

I hear army boots approaching and better go hide!

Rohiniranjan

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Sweetest divine children,

> Speaking much about the SUN, reminds me of a secret I must reveal to you

today, to all my beloved children!! Lucky Sitare are all of you( but some of you

shine more then others!)..

> Once upon a time, I decided to take a trip to the far east, as I had

accumulated enough frequent flyer miles to put it to use..So, as I was flying

high into the mighty clouds I ran across Papa SUN.. Let me tell you Amma was

head over heals, it was love at first glance, as it's rays hit on me one at a

time..Until then, I had only heard glories of the mighty, powerful SURYA, but

that day I actually witnessed everything he stood for..I tried to draw closer,

but he warned me to admire him from a slight distance so I don't get " burned

up " . We danced, rejoiced, and bathed in that pool of golden warm luminous light

until SUNset..The other heavenly bodies like Brihaspati dada Ji, Mangal Ji,

Chandra Mama all came, and witnessed this divine play in the heavens..And before

I knew it I was giving birth to all of you divine children, of course one at a

time..

> SO now the cats out of bag! You children now know how you came into " being " ,

and it is your duty to carry this flame/ torch of light to next generation of

joytish children.

>

> Yours truly,

> Amma

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Nandani,

> >

> > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any particular

house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning Aquarius? What

is chara PitriKarak?

> > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lilly,

> > >

> > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also be

ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again a

link between the indicator of parents.

> > >

> > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the 4th

lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > >

> > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nandini

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in

jotisha:-)!

> > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my

mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had

some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like

everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress!

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > if I may.

> > > > >

> > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also

play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to

suffer.//

> > > > >

> > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your

chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of

Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th

house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for

Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > >

> > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate

difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if

this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a

great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY

parent – GOD!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Nandini

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders

as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart

say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay

away from one another//

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone

disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back

pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still

do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a

joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around.

> > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how

much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family

and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas

of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such

a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies

though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family]

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders

as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart

say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay

away from one another

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good

between the father son.

> > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after

putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc

limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > >

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th

but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and

compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any

chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can

tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house..

I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be

at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in

effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows

inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the

sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful

enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with

good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can

add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha

sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o

exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal

relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity

there]

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological

magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will

differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to

verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the

Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.

Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database?

method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart

is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house(

not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an

" auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force,

the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly

affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies "

the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause

divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an

accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the

" burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > >

January 14, 2010

Oh, I forgot to mention Sukhrachar Ji couldn't attend this divine play(although

invited!), since he had to attend some asuras who had apparently fallen into a

ditch!!

Of course Shani Maharaj, and Rahu Kaka were not on the list of invitees as they

have enmity towards Papa SUN.

Ammma

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani

wrote:

>

> Dear Amma-jee!

>

> Papa SUN is also a star, one of the smallest in fact from what astronomers

tell us ;-)

>

> But with distance perspective changes, even though REALITY does not! For