Sun's Placement ! 12/1

January 16, 2010

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Dwaraka,Brindavan hide outs for all categories of Krishna " Leela " .A philosophy

by itself and is incomprhensible on this platform.The story of pining and

twining in fantasy world.Gokul is only for parikrama to get rid of flings.of

past.All Rajputs,dasi log and others numbered and unnumbered Gopikas live in

that magical floot.,bamboo made murali It also a Gana Leela.Radhe Kishan bolo

Radhe Kishan

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

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--- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:39 PM

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Dear Lilly,

You are 'quoting' Classics! Those who told us all what Meera or Radha or Krishna

felt or wanted and so on!

ASK KRISHNA!

Always get it straight from the HORSE'S MOUTH, as the modern proverb goes!

TRUE for Astrology too!

The HORSE interestingly is Saggitarius or Dhanu where the mid-point of our

GALAXY is currently placed! And hence the big hulla baloo (the bear) and the

confusion and song and dance about 2012.

You have gulika in dhanu, based on what you shared! Read about it! Don't just

lazily ask around!

Rohiniranjan

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

wrote:

>

> First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by 15th

century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One become a

dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and forever..

Did Meera ever get Krishna?

>

> Lilly

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying some

thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in FANtasies!

> >

> > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are always

menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of Brindavan.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > >

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

> > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone...

> > >

> > > Amma

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to any

mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I

don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of

any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more

you teach!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the

same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is

bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way..

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn..

But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the

Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " to

experience the ONE and ONLY parent ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere

does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too

as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in

4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many

ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the

key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then

it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with

Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun

is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas,

Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a

birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well

in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually

an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives

life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in

worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns "

and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how

it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be

assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

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January 16, 2010

OOPS! I shook a BEE-HIVE! Did that, involuntarily, and spontaneously without

thinking that I might be waking up a different KRISHNA ... But done innocently

-- just to get the Honey Dada, despite the stings and pain from Dada or Ma or

Baba (I hear angry footsteps though Shiva was never associated with groundnut!)

:-)

WOW! You made me remember a very old LP that I went through heaven and earth to

acquire decades ago! Back then it was not easy to get Indian LPs in the west.

Vani Jayaram had such a heavenly voice! Better than Lata on that LP! Sadly, LPs

and Technics Players are long gone but the sound remains hauntingly in the

memory!

All I was saying " BABA " that JYOTISH is a lot more fun than CRICKET! :-)

Rohiniranjan

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> " boring Sport? " ,dada '''''''''''N'''''''''O''''''''''''''Has all that

rugby,base ball and other games of shorter vesrions in T20.Not those Days of

Broadman.and Lilly.You r right i love it.

> Hemamalini's Meera is a musical treat.Lyrical aspects nice to sit quietly and

hear but with the Radhas beauty,no Krishna can remian idle to concentrate only

on content.A musical extarvaganza of Meeras devotional songs.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Â

>

> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:33 PM

>

> Â

>

> You should watch that beautiful and poignant GRACeful movie that had this

beautiful song, Dada!

>

> Gopiyaan to taaray hain, Chand Radha hai

> Phir bhi kyon Radha (Chaand=Moon= Manas) Jalay?

>

> The movie also has Cricket! I know you love that boring Sport :-(

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying some

thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in FANtasies!

> >

> > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are always

menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of Brindavan.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > >

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

> > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone..

> > >

> > > Amma

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to any

mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I

don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of

any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more

you teach!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the

same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is

bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But

wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother

could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " to

experience the ONE and ONLY parent ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere

does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too

as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in

4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many

ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the

key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then

it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with

Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun

is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas,

Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a

birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well

in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually

an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives

life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in

worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns "

and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how

it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be

assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > >

January 16, 2010

I agree with You.This choice becomes clear to think adopt when one takes up

astrological pursuits and gets guided to shape up his course of future.Modern

world has to digest these valuable ideas.

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

Â

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:26 PM

Â

Choice, Dada, is between which path to follow! There are many, but in this

DUALITY-DRIVEN Universe of ours, sometime just two suffice, driven by MA and

BABA: the Two Lights and at times Mangal DADA comes to the aid too with his

YOGINIS!

RR_,

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Choice is between 2nd and 7th and the most powerful has to a MarakaÃ‚Â Budha

is neutral and goes with the sign where ever is placed.Not far from sun and

venus.habitually mercury goes into shadows.May give mrityutulya issues?

> problem is with enemical mars and Saturn.Mercury is always very cautious and

jupiter represents different worlds of {Dharma) 9th,and 12th the Mokha other

wise liberation .A straight forward mind and deviates to court problem when

maligned by other friends.(Moon, Mars and venus)Ã‚Â

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Ã‚Â

>

> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:03 PM

>

> Ã‚Â

>

> Let me try to understand that extremely complex logic and expression, Dadabhai

:-)

>

> So you are saying that Guru (9/12) finds death in budha

> while Budha (3/6) finds its maraka in Jupiter?

>

> But the 7th house is way more than DEATH!

>

> Please do not forget moon, venus, saturn and mars! Tbey can kill too and often

do! ;-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dada

> > Uncanny Parashari has want bipeds to deal with universe and gave room to use

the supreem art of thing and talk nice to watch the vast Nature

> > duals?cat on the wall>Parashara desired cool minds can go for holidaying to

rejoice.gemini and virgo vs sag's with pisces.<No mind boggling issues please.

> > Parashari thought what he conveys is right and simple.It is the other way as

v find abour dual signs

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Friday, January 15, 2010, 8:38 PM

> >

> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> >

> > Dada (...not the bullying kind of course!),

> >

> > Why do you think Parashara Muni made the dwiswabhava signs the strongest,

followed by sthiras and finally the charas?

> >

> > Particularly when rulerships of the two signs with dual lords was

considered/recommen ded?

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Friend,

> > > Sun of leo is so bright and to go with jupiter'spisces has no

hesitation.Satwicks ?Not the same jupiter of sagittarus,in 12th sign known for

comforts and strives for azaadi.

> > > These yardstics making the satrs apart ,sadesati of leo in final pahe for

leo is not very much to be relied on.

> > > Jupiter sign of is meant for Venus to excel.Hot and fiery sign with that

of cold and unstable pisces are two different worlds.

> > > Dasa wise if both happening to be in the same boat,time to fix up

things,and ponder for the feasibility of relationship.

> > > leo a fiery sign always remians away from jalarasi and pisces.ketu ruled

makha is a fixed sign to that of revati of mercury.merucury is neutral.Kings and

leaders of leao do not care aquatic nature except for hoidaying.Revati

represented by mercuryÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â debilitated in watery sign.

> > > Ketu of magha is a dynamic and thoughtful being.very calculated but will

have many slip of tongues.Not the kind to wag tails.Call spade a spade.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:47 PM

> > >

> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

> > > Don't confuse Amma with Lilly as they are 2 different personality! !

> > >

> > > Now, not too long ago Lilly was pierced with naughty Kaam deva's arrow

deep into my heart..It took a while to regain composure, and consciousness and

just when I was in recovery plan Mr. Leo decided it enter my injured life...As

if there isn't plenty of " stinky fish " in the sea!!

> > > So you tell me is LEO & PISCES match made in heaven, or hell?( Revati and

Magha star to be exact). Why must cats of the jungle chase innocent fish which

really belong in the sea.

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to any

mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I

don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of

any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more

you teach!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the

same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is

bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way..

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn..

But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the

Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime

ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " to experience the ONE and ONLY parent

ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere

does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too

as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in

4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many

ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the

key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then

it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with

Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun

is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas,

Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a

birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well

in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually

an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives

life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in

worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns "

and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how

it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be

assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

January 16, 2010

marriage is a union of heart; and going by this definition, Meera was indeed

married to Shri Krishna...I am restraining myself right now because of grahan...

May Shri Krishna give sadbuddhi to all

ms

Â

________________________________

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Fri, January 15, 2010 7:14:10 PM

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

Â

That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone..

Amma

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ...>

wrote:

>

> I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to any mortal

(in effect!) :-)

>

> RR_,

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> >

> > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I don't

have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of suitable for

marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your predictions come true

:-)..

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly,

> > >

> > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us know.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nandini

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before December of

1983?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > Nandini

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any

particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could

also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and

again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the

4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you

teach!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in

jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship

with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I

had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like

everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same

time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound

to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways

in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th

house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in

the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak

for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But

wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother

could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime â€“ to experience the

ONE and ONLY parent â€“ GOD!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone

disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back

pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and

still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we

had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around.

> > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit

to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his

family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some

areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G

B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add

to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r

enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship

is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife

after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his

toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun

in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with

sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father

:-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by

any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H

and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's

house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really

seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role

in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart]

shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it

shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can

add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha

sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o

exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates

will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth

chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in

10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an

" auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life

force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly

affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and

" purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it

may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed

to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly

does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

January 16, 2010

Now no issues for musical lovers.with refined venus helping moon u can opt for

mP3 formats of Anuradha Podwal,Vani Jayaram and Shoba Mudgal.Less than a

Nightingale stautre but above sound of Music.

yet LPs have their own prized place in musical galore.Mix up songs of these

doyens with that of the other legends that can make your evening very poignant.

Wonder is still that husky Sehgal and ofcourse Talat Mahmood ghazlas and bhazans

that can give a peaceful and refreshing sleep any day.

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

Â

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:57 PM

Â

OOPS! I shook a BEE-HIVE! Did that, involuntarily, and spontaneously without

thinking that I might be waking up a different KRISHNA ... But done innocently

-- just to get the Honey Dada, despite the stings and pain from Dada or Ma or

Baba (I hear angry footsteps though Shiva was never associated with groundnut!)

:-)

WOW! You made me remember a very old LP that I went through heaven and earth to

acquire decades ago! Back then it was not easy to get Indian LPs in the west.

Vani Jayaram had such a heavenly voice! Better than Lata on that LP! Sadly, LPs

and Technics Players are long gone but the sound remains hauntingly in the

memory!

All I was saying " BABA " that JYOTISH is a lot more fun than CRICKET! :-)

Rohiniranjan

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> Dear Sir,

> " boring Sport? " ,dada '''''''''''N' ''''''''O' ''''''''' ''''Has all that

rugby,base ball and other games of shorter vesrions in T20.Not those Days of

Broadman.and Lilly.You r right i love it.

> Hemamalini's Meera is a musical treat.Lyrical aspects nice to sit quietly and

hear but with the Radhas beauty,no Krishna can remian idle to concentrate only

on content.A musical extarvaganza of Meeras devotional songs.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Ã‚Â

>

> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:33 PM

>

> Ã‚Â

>

> You should watch that beautiful and poignant GRACeful movie that had this

beautiful song, Dada!

>

> Gopiyaan to taaray hain, Chand Radha hai

> Phir bhi kyon Radha (Chaand=Moon= Manas) Jalay?

>

> The movie also has Cricket! I know you love that boring Sport :-(

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying some

thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> >

> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> >

> > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in FANtasies!

> >

> > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are always

menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of Brindavan.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > >

> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

> > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone...

> > >

> > > Amma

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to any

mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I

don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of

any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more

you teach!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the

same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is

bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way..

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn..

But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the

Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime

ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " to experience the ONE and ONLY parent

ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere

does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too

as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in

4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many

ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the

key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then

it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with

Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun

is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas,

Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a

birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well

in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually

an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives

life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in

worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns "

and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how

it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be

assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

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> > > >

> > >

January 16, 2010

Each of us, other than those confused fellas who intercept signs and use strange

house division systems ;-), EACH OF US has a HORSE that is HALF-HUMAN within us!

You just have to look at where it is, look at the signature and the layers of

symbols it contains or is associated with and then LEARNING just flows from

there...!

Dhanu is the lead in our reality for WE (Milky Way) are lined up against that

constellation! Surya is not in the centre of the Galaxy (I will write about it

later, Santhosh jee!) but our GAZE surely is pointed at that constellation and

for many many years from now on!

Astrology is not where things are but what you see as you look heavenwards!

Hence when we say that Sun is in Capricorn, it is only relative to where we are

looking at it from!

Rohiniranjan

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Double R Ji,

> I am no where close to a horse right, now but will let you know when I get to

hear from his mouth..WHo is gulika by the way? Another one of those character

from the classics I am guessing.

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lilly,

> >

> > You are 'quoting' Classics! Those who told us all what Meera or Radha or

Krishna felt or wanted and so on!

> >

> > ASK KRISHNA!

> >

> > Always get it straight from the HORSE'S MOUTH, as the modern proverb goes!

> >

> > TRUE for Astrology too!

> >

> > The HORSE interestingly is Saggitarius or Dhanu where the mid-point of our

GALAXY is currently placed! And hence the big hulla baloo (the bear) and the

confusion and song and dance about 2012.

> >

> > You have gulika in dhanu, based on what you shared! Read about it! Don't

just lazily ask around!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by 15th

century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One become a

dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and forever..

Did Meera ever get Krishna?

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying

some thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > > > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > >

> > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> > > >

> > > > Â

> > > >

> > > > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in

FANtasies!

> > > >

> > > > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are

always menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of

Brindavan.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > Ã‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Ã‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone..

> > > > >

> > > > > Amma

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to

any mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell

you I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let

us know.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship

of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu

owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then

Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the

more you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn.

But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the

Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime Ã¢â‚¬ " to

experience the ONE and ONLY parent Ã¢â‚¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or

any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is

always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to

provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother

and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction

anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the

same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial

bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing

father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in

technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me

unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has

the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity

then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases

and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in

their charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and

with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if

Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural

reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and

sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with

father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a

odd entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement

in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in

life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun

" burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier

of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to

be assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

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January 16, 2010

CAREFUL DADA!

Music-lovers are not necessarily MUSICAL LOVERS!

Enough MYTHyaas already plaguing Jyotish reality along with mungphali chilkaas

being tossed out from the caves!

Rohiniranjan

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Now no issues for musical lovers.with refined venus helping moon u can opt for

mP3 formats of Anuradha Podwal,Vani Jayaram and Shoba Mudgal.Less than a

Nightingale stautre but above sound of Music.

> yet LPs have their own prized place in musical galore.Mix up songs of these

doyens with that of the other legends that can make your evening very poignant.

> Wonder is still that husky Sehgal and ofcourse Talat Mahmood ghazlas and

bhazans that can give a peaceful and refreshing sleep any day.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Â

>

> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:57 PM

>

> Â

>

> OOPS! I shook a BEE-HIVE! Did that, involuntarily, and spontaneously without

thinking that I might be waking up a different KRISHNA ... But done innocently

-- just to get the Honey Dada, despite the stings and pain from Dada or Ma or

Baba (I hear angry footsteps though Shiva was never associated with groundnut!)

:-)

>

> WOW! You made me remember a very old LP that I went through heaven and earth

to acquire decades ago! Back then it was not easy to get Indian LPs in the west.

Vani Jayaram had such a heavenly voice! Better than Lata on that LP! Sadly, LPs

and Technics Players are long gone but the sound remains hauntingly in the

memory!

>

> All I was saying " BABA " that JYOTISH is a lot more fun than CRICKET! :-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sir,

> > " boring Sport? " ,dada '''''''''''N' ''''''''O' ''''''''' ''''Has all that

rugby,base ball and other games of shorter vesrions in T20.Not those Days of

Broadman.and Lilly.You r right i love it.

> > Hemamalini's Meera is a musical treat.Lyrical aspects nice to sit quietly

and hear but with the Radhas beauty,no Krishna can remian idle to concentrate

only on content.A musical extarvaganza of Meeras devotional songs.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:33 PM

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > You should watch that beautiful and poignant GRACeful movie that had this

beautiful song, Dada!

> >

> > Gopiyaan to taaray hain, Chand Radha hai

> > Phir bhi kyon Radha (Chaand=Moon= Manas) Jalay?

> >

> > The movie also has Cricket! I know you love that boring Sport :-(

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying some

thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> > >

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > >

> > > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in

FANtasies!

> > >

> > > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are

always menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of

Brindavan.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > >

> > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > > >

> > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > >

> > > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone...

> > > >

> > > > Amma

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to

any mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you

I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of

any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more

you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the

same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is

bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way..

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn..

But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the

Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime

ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " to experience the ONE and ONLY parent

ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always

a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide

for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and

father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere

does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too

as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father)

in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the

key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then

it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and

with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if

Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural

reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun

is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in

a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in

life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns "

and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how

it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be

assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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removed]

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > >

January 16, 2010

The doubtful gulika a upagraha has a tendency to act like saturn .Better to be

away and watchful of Gulika and the other one mandi.

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

Â

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:59 PM

Â

Double R Ji,

I am no where close to a horse right, now but will let you know when I get to

hear from his mouth..WHo is gulika by the way? Another one of those character

from the classics I am guessing.

Lilly

, " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ ....>

wrote:

>

> Dear Lilly,

>

> You are 'quoting' Classics! Those who told us all what Meera or Radha or

Krishna felt or wanted and so on!

>

> ASK KRISHNA!

>

> Always get it straight from the HORSE'S MOUTH, as the modern proverb goes!

>

> TRUE for Astrology too!

>

> The HORSE interestingly is Saggitarius or Dhanu where the mid-point of our

GALAXY is currently placed! And hence the big hulla baloo (the bear) and the

confusion and song and dance about 2012.

>

> You have gulika in dhanu, based on what you shared! Read about it! Don't just

lazily ask around!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> >

> > First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by 15th

century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One become a

dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and forever..

Did Meera ever get Krishna?

> >

> > Lilly

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying some

thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > Ã‚Â

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> > >

> > > Ã‚Â

> > >

> > > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in

FANtasies!

> > >

> > > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are

always menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of

Brindavan.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > >

> > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > > >

> > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > >

> > > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone..

> > > >

> > > > Amma

> > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to

any mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR_,

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you

I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of

any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more

you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the

same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is

bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn.

But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the

Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " to

experience the ONE and ONLY parent ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always

a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide

for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and

father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere

does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too

as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father)

in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the

key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then

it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and

with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if

Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural

reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun

is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in

a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in

life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns "

and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how

it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be

assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

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January 16, 2010

Whatever 'springs forth' from Shani can only bring lessons, Dada! One tends to

get attached and enamoured by a kind, gentle and wise teacher and clings to

those and becomes codependant and enslaved for life!

But find a harsh teacher who keeps reminding you that he or she does not want

you around! LEARN AND LEAVE!

That is SATURN and IT (neuter gender to keep the classics preserved!) will never

cling to your soul, once you have learned and moved on -- and so would not its

children!

Hence some of us write about Saturn Blessings!

Rohiniranjan!

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> The doubtful gulika a upagraha has a tendency to act like saturn .Better to be

away and watchful of Gulika and the other one mandi.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Â

>

> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:59 PM

>

> Â

>

> Double R Ji,

> I am no where close to a horse right, now but will let you know when I get to

hear from his mouth..WHo is gulika by the way? Another one of those character

from the classics I am guessing.

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lilly,

> >

> > You are 'quoting' Classics! Those who told us all what Meera or Radha or

Krishna felt or wanted and so on!

> >

> > ASK KRISHNA!

> >

> > Always get it straight from the HORSE'S MOUTH, as the modern proverb goes!

> >

> > TRUE for Astrology too!

> >

> > The HORSE interestingly is Saggitarius or Dhanu where the mid-point of our

GALAXY is currently placed! And hence the big hulla baloo (the bear) and the

confusion and song and dance about 2012.

> >

> > You have gulika in dhanu, based on what you shared! Read about it! Don't

just lazily ask around!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by 15th

century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One become a

dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and forever..

Did Meera ever get Krishna?

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying

some thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > > > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > Ã‚Â

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > >

> > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> > > >

> > > > Ã‚Â

> > > >

> > > > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in

FANtasies!

> > > >

> > > > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are

always menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of

Brindavan.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone..

> > > > >

> > > > > Amma

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to

any mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell

you I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let

us know.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship

of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu

owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then

Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the

more you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn.

But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the

Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " to

experience the ONE and ONLY parent ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or

any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is

always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to

provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother

and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction

anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the

same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial

bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing

father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in

technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me

unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has

the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity

then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases

and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in

their charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and

with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if

Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural

reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and

sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with

father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a

odd entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement

in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in

life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun

" burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier

of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to

be assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

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> > > > >

January 16, 2010

Can someone educate me more on this gulika guy? Where is he in my chart by the

way since this is the first time I hear his name? What does he do? Don't get me

started and leave me cliff-hanging.

Lilly

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> The doubtful gulika a upagraha has a tendency to act like saturn .Better to be

away and watchful of Gulika and the other one mandi.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Â

>

> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:59 PM

>

> Â

>

> Double R Ji,

> I am no where close to a horse right, now but will let you know when I get to

hear from his mouth..WHo is gulika by the way? Another one of those character

from the classics I am guessing.

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lilly,

> >

> > You are 'quoting' Classics! Those who told us all what Meera or Radha or

Krishna felt or wanted and so on!

> >

> > ASK KRISHNA!

> >

> > Always get it straight from the HORSE'S MOUTH, as the modern proverb goes!

> >

> > TRUE for Astrology too!

> >

> > The HORSE interestingly is Saggitarius or Dhanu where the mid-point of our

GALAXY is currently placed! And hence the big hulla baloo (the bear) and the

confusion and song and dance about 2012.

> >

> > You have gulika in dhanu, based on what you shared! Read about it! Don't

just lazily ask around!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by 15th

century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One become a

dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and forever..

Did Meera ever get Krishna?

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying

some thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > > > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > Ã‚Â

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > >

> > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> > > >

> > > > Ã‚Â

> > > >

> > > > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in

FANtasies!

> > > >

> > > > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are

always menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of

Brindavan.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone..

> > > > >

> > > > > Amma

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to

any mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell

you I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let

us know.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship

of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu

owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then

Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the

more you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn.

But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the

Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " to

experience the ONE and ONLY parent ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or

any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is

always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to

provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother

and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction

anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the

same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial

bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing

father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in

technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me

unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has

the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity

then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases

and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in

their charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and

with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if

Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural

reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and

sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with

father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a

odd entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement

in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in

life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun

" burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier

of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to

be assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

January 16, 2010

Oh now I am feeling really slighted Lilly!

I already told you where it is! Look through the threads! :-)

RR_,

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Can someone educate me more on this gulika guy? Where is he in my chart by the

way since this is the first time I hear his name? What does he do? Don't get me

started and leave me cliff-hanging.

>

> Lilly

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > The doubtful gulika a upagraha has a tendency to act like saturn .Better to

be away and watchful of Gulika and the other one mandi.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Â

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:59 PM

> >

> > Â

> >

> > Double R Ji,

> > I am no where close to a horse right, now but will let you know when I get

to hear from his mouth..WHo is gulika by the way? Another one of those character

from the classics I am guessing.

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lilly,

> > >

> > > You are 'quoting' Classics! Those who told us all what Meera or Radha or

Krishna felt or wanted and so on!

> > >

> > > ASK KRISHNA!

> > >

> > > Always get it straight from the HORSE'S MOUTH, as the modern proverb goes!

> > >

> > > TRUE for Astrology too!

> > >

> > > The HORSE interestingly is Saggitarius or Dhanu where the mid-point of our

GALAXY is currently placed! And hence the big hulla baloo (the bear) and the

confusion and song and dance about 2012.

> > >

> > > You have gulika in dhanu, based on what you shared! Read about it! Don't

just lazily ask around!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by

15th century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One

become a dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and

forever.. Did Meera ever get Krishna?

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying

some thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > > > > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > Ã‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Ã‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in

FANtasies!

> > > > >

> > > > > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are

always menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of

Brindavan.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with

someone..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amma

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married

to any mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell

you I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let

us know.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship

of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu

owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then

Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to

the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the

more you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together

in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed

in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to

learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and

the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ "

to experience the ONE and ONLY parent ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or

any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of

my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is

always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to

provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother

and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction

anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the

same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial

bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from

his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went

beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as

you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing

father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in

technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me

unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has

the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of

the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory,

ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity

then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases

and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in

their charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution

and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse

and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to

divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and

sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with

father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a

odd entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's

placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's

direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun

" burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier

of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to

be assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > >

January 16, 2010

I agree that way Papa and Beta add experiences and force ways to learn and make

independent.Good teachers,no doubt.That is the way they teach and need no

appendages in the form of white and balck boards.Not very magnetic and

appealing.Infact the value of jyotish lies in the way of these Gurus other than

those of jupiter and Venus.

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

Â

--- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

Friday, January 15, 2010, 10:20 PM

Â

Whatever 'springs forth' from Shani can only bring lessons, Dada! One tends to

get attached and enamoured by a kind, gentle and wise teacher and clings to

those and becomes codependant and enslaved for life!

But find a harsh teacher who keeps reminding you that he or she does not want

you around! LEARN AND LEAVE!

That is SATURN and IT (neuter gender to keep the classics preserved!) will never

cling to your soul, once you have learned and moved on -- and so would not its

children!

Hence some of us write about Saturn Blessings!

Rohiniranjan!

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..>

wrote:

>

> The doubtful gulika a upagraha has a tendency to act like saturn .Better to be

away and watchful of Gulika and the other one mandi.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Ã‚Â

>

> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:59 PM

>

> Ã‚Â

>

> Double R Ji,

> I am no where close to a horse right, now but will let you know when I get to

hear from his mouth..WHo is gulika by the way? Another one of those character

from the classics I am guessing.

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lilly,

> >

> > You are 'quoting' Classics! Those who told us all what Meera or Radha or

Krishna felt or wanted and so on!

> >

> > ASK KRISHNA!

> >

> > Always get it straight from the HORSE'S MOUTH, as the modern proverb goes!

> >

> > TRUE for Astrology too!

> >

> > The HORSE interestingly is Saggitarius or Dhanu where the mid-point of our

GALAXY is currently placed! And hence the big hulla baloo (the bear) and the

confusion and song and dance about 2012.

> >

> > You have gulika in dhanu, based on what you shared! Read about it! Don't

just lazily ask around!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by 15th

century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One become a

dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and forever..

Did Meera ever get Krishna?

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying

some thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > > > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > >

> > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> > > >

> > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > >

> > > > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in

FANtasies!

> > > >

> > > > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are

always menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of

Brindavan.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone..

> > > > >

> > > > > Amma

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to

any mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell

you I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let

us know.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship

of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu

owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then

Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the

more you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn.

But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the

Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime

ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " to experience the ONE and ONLY parent

ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or

any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is

always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to

provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother

and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction

anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the

same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial

bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing

father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in

technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me

unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has

the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity

then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases

and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in

their charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and

with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if

Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural

reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and

sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with

father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a

odd entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement

in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in

life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun

" burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier

of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to

be assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

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January 16, 2010

It helps to have Shani-Maharaj keep those two rogues under control! The three

gurus in conference, 2 classical, one modern (Saturn some say rules socialism!)

and with Dada on Guard duty, it is all about bhoomi and earthiness!

Makes sense, Dada? Are you still grounded, by amMA? Do come out!

RR_,

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> I agree that way Papa and Beta add experiences and force ways to learn and

make independent.Good teachers,no doubt.That is the way they teach and need no

appendages in the form of white and balck boards.Not very magnetic and

appealing.Infact the value of jyotish lies in the way of these Gurus other than

those of jupiter and Venus.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Â

>

> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Friday, January 15, 2010, 10:20 PM

>

> Â

>

> Whatever 'springs forth' from Shani can only bring lessons, Dada! One tends to

get attached and enamoured by a kind, gentle and wise teacher and clings to

those and becomes codependant and enslaved for life!

>

> But find a harsh teacher who keeps reminding you that he or she does not want

you around! LEARN AND LEAVE!

>

> That is SATURN and IT (neuter gender to keep the classics preserved!) will

never cling to your soul, once you have learned and moved on -- and so would not

its children!

>

> Hence some of us write about Saturn Blessings!

>

> Rohiniranjan!

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > The doubtful gulika a upagraha has a tendency to act like saturn .Better to

be away and watchful of Gulika and the other one mandi.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:59 PM

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > Double R Ji,

> > I am no where close to a horse right, now but will let you know when I get

to hear from his mouth..WHo is gulika by the way? Another one of those character

from the classics I am guessing.

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lilly,

> > >

> > > You are 'quoting' Classics! Those who told us all what Meera or Radha or

Krishna felt or wanted and so on!

> > >

> > > ASK KRISHNA!

> > >

> > > Always get it straight from the HORSE'S MOUTH, as the modern proverb goes!

> > >

> > > TRUE for Astrology too!

> > >

> > > The HORSE interestingly is Saggitarius or Dhanu where the mid-point of our

GALAXY is currently placed! And hence the big hulla baloo (the bear) and the

confusion and song and dance about 2012.

> > >

> > > You have gulika in dhanu, based on what you shared! Read about it! Don't

just lazily ask around!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by

15th century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One

become a dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and

forever.. Did Meera ever get Krishna?

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying

some thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > > > > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in

FANtasies!

> > > > >

> > > > > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are

always menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of

Brindavan.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with

someone..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amma

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married

to any mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell

you I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let

us know.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship

of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu

owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then

Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to

the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the

more you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together

in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed

in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to

learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and

the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime

ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " to experience the ONE and ONLY parent

ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or

any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of

my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is

always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to

provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother

and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction

anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the

same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial

bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from

his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went

beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as

you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing

father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in

technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me

unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has

the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of

the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory,

ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity

then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases

and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in

their charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution

and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse

and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to

divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and

sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with

father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a

odd entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's

placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's

direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun

" burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier

of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to

be assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > >

January 16, 2010

//Surya is not in the centre of the Galaxy (I will write about it later,

Santhosh jee!) //

please do so Rohini Ji

regards and thanks

santhosh

Â

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Sat, 16 January, 2010 8:41:55 AM

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

Â

Each of us, other than those confused fellas who intercept signs and use strange

house division systems ;-), EACH OF US has a HORSE that is HALF-HUMAN within us!

You just have to look at where it is, look at the signature and the layers of

symbols it contains or is associated with and then LEARNING just flows from

there...!

Dhanu is the lead in our reality for WE (Milky Way) are lined up against that

constellation! Surya is not in the centre of the Galaxy (I will write about it

later, Santhosh jee!) but our GAZE surely is pointed at that constellation and

for many many years from now on!

Astrology is not where things are but what you see as you look heavenwards!

Hence when we say that Sun is in Capricorn, it is only relative to where we are

looking at it from!

Rohiniranjan

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Double R Ji,

> I am no where close to a horse right, now but will let you know when I get to

hear from his mouth..WHo is gulika by the way? Another one of those character

from the classics I am guessing.

>

> Lilly

>

> , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Lilly,

> >

> > You are 'quoting' Classics! Those who told us all what Meera or Radha or

Krishna felt or wanted and so on!

> >

> > ASK KRISHNA!

> >

> > Always get it straight from the HORSE'S MOUTH, as the modern proverb goes!

> >

> > TRUE for Astrology too!

> >

> > The HORSE interestingly is Saggitarius or Dhanu where the mid-point of our

GALAXY is currently placed! And hence the big hulla baloo (the bear) and the

confusion and song and dance about 2012.

> >

> > You have gulika in dhanu, based on what you shared! Read about it! Don't

just lazily ask around!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by 15th

century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One become a

dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and forever..

Did Meera ever get Krishna?

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying

some thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > > > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> > > >

> > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > Ã‚Â

> > > >

> > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > >

> > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> > > >

> > > > Ã‚Â

> > > >

> > > > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in

FANtasies!

> > > >

> > > > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are

always menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of

Brindavan.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone..

> > > > >

> > > > > Amma

> > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to

any mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell

you I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let

us know.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship

of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu

owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then

Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the

more you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn.

But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the

Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " to

experience the ONE and ONLY parent ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or

any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is

always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to

provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother

and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction

anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the

same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial

bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing

father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in

technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me

unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has

the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity

then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases

and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in

their charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and

with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if

Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural

reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and

sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with

father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a

odd entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement

in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in

life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun

" burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier

of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to

be assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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removed]

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> > > > >

January 16, 2010

Lilly Ji;

raDHA (upstream current)is opposite of DHAra (downstream).

radha represents journey towards the source.

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

Lilly <tigresslilly2005

Fri, 15 Jan 2010 6:30 pm

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by 15th

century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One become a

dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and forever..

Did Meera ever get Krishna?

Lilly

, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

>

> Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying some

thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

>

> Vattem Krishnan

> Cyber Jyotish Services

> (For all counseling services)

> Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚ Ã‚ Wisemen Can Control Them "

> Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> Ã‚

>

> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote:

>

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

>

> Ã‚

>

> How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in FANtasies!

>

> What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> >

> > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are always

menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of Brindavan.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> >

> > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚

> >

> > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone..

> >

> > Amma

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > >

> > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to any

mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > >

> > > RR_,

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I

don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > >

> > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Nandini

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before December

of 1983?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any

particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West,

the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you

teach!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same

time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound

to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many

ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the

4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed

in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural

Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak

Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But

wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother

could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " to

experience the ONE and ONLY parent ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live,

and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood

we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does

add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as

they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife

after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his

toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with

sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association

with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her

father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in

4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many

ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key

role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it

shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences

can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with

Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is

n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas,

Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a

birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in

10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an

" auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives

life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in

worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and

" purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it

may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed

to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly

does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

January 16, 2010

I have the URL, but was holding back on it to see if you even googled that

article that I gave enough clues about?

Of course, if you are too busy to search but not to quip here, I understand! ;-)

RR

, Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote:

>

> //Surya is not in the centre of the Galaxy (I will write about it later,

Santhosh jee!) //

>

> please do so Rohini Ji

> regards and thanks

> santhosh

>

> Â

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Sat, 16 January, 2010 8:41:55 AM

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Â

> Each of us, other than those confused fellas who intercept signs and use

strange house division systems ;-), EACH OF US has a HORSE that is HALF-HUMAN

within us! You just have to look at where it is, look at the signature and the

layers of symbols it contains or is associated with and then LEARNING just flows

from there...!

>

> Dhanu is the lead in our reality for WE (Milky Way) are lined up against that

constellation! Surya is not in the centre of the Galaxy (I will write about it

later, Santhosh jee!) but our GAZE surely is pointed at that constellation and

for many many years from now on!

>

> Astrology is not where things are but what you see as you look heavenwards!

Hence when we say that Sun is in Capricorn, it is only relative to where we are

looking at it from!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Double R Ji,

> > I am no where close to a horse right, now but will let you know when I get

to hear from his mouth..WHo is gulika by the way? Another one of those character

from the classics I am guessing.

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lilly,

> > >

> > > You are 'quoting' Classics! Those who told us all what Meera or Radha or

Krishna felt or wanted and so on!

> > >

> > > ASK KRISHNA!

> > >

> > > Always get it straight from the HORSE'S MOUTH, as the modern proverb goes!

> > >

> > > TRUE for Astrology too!

> > >

> > > The HORSE interestingly is Saggitarius or Dhanu where the mid-point of our

GALAXY is currently placed! And hence the big hulla baloo (the bear) and the

confusion and song and dance about 2012.

> > >

> > > You have gulika in dhanu, based on what you shared! Read about it! Don't

just lazily ask around!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by

15th century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One

become a dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and

forever.. Did Meera ever get Krishna?

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying

some thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > > > > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚Â Ã‚Â Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > Ã‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Ã‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in

FANtasies!

> > > > >

> > > > > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are

always menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of

Brindavan.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with

someone..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amma

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married

to any mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell

you I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let

us know.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship

of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu

owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then

Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to

the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the

more you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together

in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed

in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to

learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and

the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ "

to experience the ONE and ONLY parent ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or

any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of

my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is

always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to

provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother

and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction

anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the

same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial

bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from

his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went

beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as

you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing

father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in

technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me

unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has

the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of

the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory,

ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity

then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases

and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in

their charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution

and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse

and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to

divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and

sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with

father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a

odd entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's

placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's

direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun

" burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier

of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to

be assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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been removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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removed]

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January 16, 2010

RADHA is not about flow, Kulbir jee! Do the anagram again :-)

RADHA reversed is AHDAR

You know what that word means with two letters transposed!

The word means an eternal bliss, when the SOULS are locked forever!

RR_,

, Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains wrote:

>

> Lilly Ji;

> raDHA (upstream current)is opposite of DHAra (downstream).

> radha represents journey towards the source.

>

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005

>

> Fri, 15 Jan 2010 6:30 pm

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by 15th

century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One become a

dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and forever..

Did Meera ever get Krishna?

>

> Lilly

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying some

thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃ‚ Ã‚ Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Ã‚

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> >

> > Ã‚

> >

> > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in FANtasies!

> >

> > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are always

menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of Brindavan.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚ Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ Wisemen Can Control

Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > >

> > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚

> > >

> > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone..

> > >

> > > Amma

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to any

mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I

don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of

any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more

you teach!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the

same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is

bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But

wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother

could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " to

experience the ONE and ONLY parent ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere

does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too

as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in

4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many

ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the

key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then

it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with

Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun

is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas,

Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a

birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well

in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually

an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives

life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in

worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns "

and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how

it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be

assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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removed]

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January 16, 2010

Dear Rohini Ji,

i wrote from blackberry yesterday and you gave me the link.

as i wrote later i was on my way back from mysore and i couldnt browse the net.

will do it today and get back to you.

thanks

santhosh

Â

________________________________

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Sat, 16 January, 2010 11:23:17 AM

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

Â

I have the URL, but was holding back on it to see if you even googled that

article that I gave enough clues about?

Of course, if you are too busy to search but not to quip here, I understand! ;-)

RR

, Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote:

>

> //Surya is not in the centre of the Galaxy (I will write about it later,

Santhosh jee!) //

>

> please do so Rohini Ji

> regards and thanks

> santhosh

>

> Ã‚Â

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

>

> Sat, 16 January, 2010 8:41:55 AM

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Ã‚Â

> Each of us, other than those confused fellas who intercept signs and use

strange house division systems ;-), EACH OF US has a HORSE that is HALF-HUMAN

within us! You just have to look at where it is, look at the signature and the

layers of symbols it contains or is associated with and then LEARNING just flows

from there...!

>

> Dhanu is the lead in our reality for WE (Milky Way) are lined up against that

constellation! Surya is not in the centre of the Galaxy (I will write about it

later, Santhosh jee!) but our GAZE surely is pointed at that constellation and

for many many years from now on!

>

> Astrology is not where things are but what you see as you look heavenwards!

Hence when we say that Sun is in Capricorn, it is only relative to where we are

looking at it from!

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

wrote:

> >

> > Double R Ji,

> > I am no where close to a horse right, now but will let you know when I get

to hear from his mouth..WHo is gulika by the way? Another one of those character

from the classics I am guessing.

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ >

wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Lilly,

> > >

> > > You are 'quoting' Classics! Those who told us all what Meera or Radha or

Krishna felt or wanted and so on!

> > >

> > > ASK KRISHNA!

> > >

> > > Always get it straight from the HORSE'S MOUTH, as the modern proverb goes!

> > >

> > > TRUE for Astrology too!

> > >

> > > The HORSE interestingly is Saggitarius or Dhanu where the mid-point of our

GALAXY is currently placed! And hence the big hulla baloo (the bear) and the

confusion and song and dance about 2012.

> > >

> > > You have gulika in dhanu, based on what you shared! Read about it! Don't

just lazily ask around!

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by

15th century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One

become a dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and

forever.. Did Meera ever get Krishna?

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying

some thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > > > > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> > > > >

> > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > >

> > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > >

> > > > > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in

FANtasies!

> > > > >

> > > > > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@

...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are

always menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of

Brindavan.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with

someone..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amma

> > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married

to any mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell

you I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let

us know.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship

of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu

owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then

Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to

the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the

more you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at

the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life

is bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together

in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed

in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents

could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to

learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and

the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime

ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " to experience the ONE and ONLY parent

ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or

any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of

my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is

always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to

provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother

and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction

anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the

same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial

bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture

or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if

good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they

will be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from

his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went

beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as

you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing

father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in

technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me

unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in

many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has

the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of

the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory,

ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity

then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases

and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in

their charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution

and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse

and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to

divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and

sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with

father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a

odd entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's

placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's

direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite

well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul,

gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success

in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun

" burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier

of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to

be assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > >

January 16, 2010

Sir,

thanks a lot, lot and lot.

Lots of Respect and Regards

null null.

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Fri, 15 Jan 2010 9:57 pm

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

RADHA is not about flow, Kulbir jee! Do the anagram again :-)

RADHA reversed is AHDAR

You know what that word means with two letters transposed!

The word means an eternal bliss, when the SOULS are locked forever!

RR_,

, Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains wrote:

>

> Lilly Ji;

> raDHA (upstream current)is opposite of DHAra (downstream).

> radha represents journey towards the source.

>

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005

>

> Fri, 15 Jan 2010 6:30 pm

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by 15th

century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One become a

dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and forever..

Did Meera ever get Krishna?

>

> Lilly

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying some

thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Ãƒâ€š

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> >

> > Ãƒâ€š

> >

> > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in FANtasies!

> >

> > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are always

menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of Brindavan.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > >

> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > >

> > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone..

> > >

> > > Amma

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to any

mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I

don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of

any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more

you teach!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the

same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is

bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But

wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother

could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ "

to experience the ONE and ONLY parent ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere

does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too

as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in

4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many

ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the

key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then

it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with

Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun

is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas,

Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a

birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well

in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually

an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives

life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in

worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns "

and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how

it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be

assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

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January 16, 2010

I gave you the keywords, I think to google but perhaps not the URL! I have it,

but the 2008 article is very easy to find and a joy to read!

It is very much like astrology as we practice it! When we say, sun in in

sagittarius, it does not speak of where Sun really is but where WE (on Earth)

are vis-a-vis ourselves, the sun (or other planets) and the starry background

(zodiac) and our HUGE Galaxy ( that most jyotishis do not even care about or

consider!) lies right against Dhanu and shall be there for longer than any of us

shall live or remember!

Rohiniranjan

, Santhosh <santhosh10 wrote:

>

> Dear Rohini Ji,

> i wrote from blackberry yesterday and you gave me the link.

> as i wrote later i was on my way back from mysore and i couldnt browse the

net.

> will do it today and get back to you.

>

> thanks

> santhosh

>

> Â

>

> ________________________________

> rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

>

> Sat, 16 January, 2010 11:23:17 AM

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> Â

> I have the URL, but was holding back on it to see if you even googled that

article that I gave enough clues about?

>

> Of course, if you are too busy to search but not to quip here, I understand!

;-)

>

> RR

>

> , Santhosh <santhosh10@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > //Surya is not in the centre of the Galaxy (I will write about it later,

Santhosh jee!) //

> >

> > please do so Rohini Ji

> > regards and thanks

> > santhosh

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> >

> > Sat, 16 January, 2010 8:41:55 AM

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Ã‚Â

> > Each of us, other than those confused fellas who intercept signs and use

strange house division systems ;-), EACH OF US has a HORSE that is HALF-HUMAN

within us! You just have to look at where it is, look at the signature and the

layers of symbols it contains or is associated with and then LEARNING just flows

from there...!

> >

> > Dhanu is the lead in our reality for WE (Milky Way) are lined up against

that constellation! Surya is not in the centre of the Galaxy (I will write about

it later, Santhosh jee!) but our GAZE surely is pointed at that constellation

and for many many years from now on!

> >

> > Astrology is not where things are but what you see as you look heavenwards!

Hence when we say that Sun is in Capricorn, it is only relative to where we are

looking at it from!

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Double R Ji,

> > > I am no where close to a horse right, now but will let you know when I get

to hear from his mouth..WHo is gulika by the way? Another one of those character

from the classics I am guessing.

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > >

> > > > You are 'quoting' Classics! Those who told us all what Meera or Radha or

Krishna felt or wanted and so on!

> > > >

> > > > ASK KRISHNA!

> > > >

> > > > Always get it straight from the HORSE'S MOUTH, as the modern proverb

goes!

> > > >

> > > > TRUE for Astrology too!

> > > >

> > > > The HORSE interestingly is Saggitarius or Dhanu where the mid-point of

our GALAXY is currently placed! And hence the big hulla baloo (the bear) and the

confusion and song and dance about 2012.

> > > >

> > > > You have gulika in dhanu, based on what you shared! Read about it! Don't

just lazily ask around!

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by

15th century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One

become a dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and

forever.. Did Meera ever get Krishna?

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying

some thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > > > > > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€šÃ‚Â Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can

Control Them "

> > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > >

> > > > > > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in

FANtasies!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan

<bursar_99@ ..> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens

are always menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of

Brindavan.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > > > > > (For all counseling services)

> > > > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets

WhileÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ÃƒÆ'Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with

someone..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Amma

> > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal "

<jyotish_vani@ ....> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > > > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married

to any mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can

tell you I don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think

of suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do

let us know.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has

lordship of any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions

rahu owning Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then

Rahu could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to

the West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the

more you teach!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my

difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of

wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then

lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and

at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of

life is bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come

together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for

father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th

lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other

than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star

of your AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it

represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a

worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to

learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and

the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime

ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " to experience the ONE and ONLY parent

ÃƒÆ'Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give

fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at

times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or

professionally they will be made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture,

or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of

my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is

always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to

provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother

and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction

anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the

same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial

bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give

fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at

times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or

professionally they will be made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from

his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went

beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as

you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

" Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of

those articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing

father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in

technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me

unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question

in many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun

has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of

the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory,

ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of

activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in

most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the

9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution

and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse

and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to

divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good

and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with

father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a

odd entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R

SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa,

Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur

life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification

provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi

one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are

chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life

Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's

placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's

direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does

quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is

actually an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or

soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity,

success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun

" burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier

of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to

be assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into

how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have

been removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

January 16, 2010

Sir,

thanks a lot, lot and lot.

Lots of Respect and Regards

Regards

Kulbir Bains.

Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains

Fri, 15 Jan 2010 10:04 pm

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

Sir,

thanks a lot, lot and lot.

Lots of Respect and Regards

null null.

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani

Fri, 15 Jan 2010 9:57 pm

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

RADHA is not about flow, Kulbir jee! Do the anagram again :-)

RADHA reversed is AHDAR

You know what that word means with two letters transposed!

The word means an eternal bliss, when the SOULS are locked forever!

RR_,

, Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains wrote:

>

> Lilly Ji;

> raDHA (upstream current)is opposite of DHAra (downstream).

> radha represents journey towards the source.

>

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005

>

> Fri, 15 Jan 2010 6:30 pm

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by 15th

century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One become a

dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and forever..

Did Meera ever get Krishna?

>

> Lilly

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying some

thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Ãƒâ€š

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> >

> > Ãƒâ€š

> >

> > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in FANtasies!

> >

> > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are always

menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of Brindavan.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > >

> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > >

> > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone..

> > >

> > > Amma

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to any

mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I

don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of

any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more

you teach!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the

same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is

bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But

wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother

could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ "

to experience the ONE and ONLY parent ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere

does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too

as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in

4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many

ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the

key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then

it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with

Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun

is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas,

Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a

birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well

in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually

an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives

life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in

worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns "

and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how

it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be

assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

January 16, 2010

This looks to be a fine case of VRY friends

Vattem Krishnan

Cyber Jyotish Services

(For all counseling services)

Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÂ Â Wisemen Can Control Them "

Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

Â

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains wrote:

Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

Saturday, January 16, 2010, 1:04 AM

Â

Sir,

thanks a lot, lot and lot.

Lots of Respect and Regards

null null.

rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com>

Fri, 15 Jan 2010 9:57 pm

Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

RADHA is not about flow, Kulbir jee! Do the anagram again :-)

RADHA reversed is AHDAR

You know what that word means with two letters transposed!

The word means an eternal bliss, when the SOULS are locked forever!

RR_,

, Kulbir Bains <kulbirbains@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Lilly Ji;

> raDHA (upstream current)is opposite of DHAra (downstream) .

> radha represents journey towards the source.

>

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

>

> Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

>

> Fri, 15 Jan 2010 6:30 pm

> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

>

> First there was SHYAM, then came RADHA(queen of heaven), followed by 15th

century rajput princess MEERA..They both pined for Krishna's love. One become a

dasi of Krishna, the other remained the queen of his heart always and forever..

Did Meera ever get Krishna?

>

> Lilly

> , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote:

> >

> > Iam Krishna with Ofcourse with Radha.That way a dilwale hai.Carrying some

thing of the past.The wandering soul otherwise in fishing

> > Honestly the relationship od Meeraji with Kishan Ji is eutopian.

> >

> > Vattem Krishnan

> > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > (For all counseling services)

> > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒâ€š Ãƒâ€š Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > Ãƒâ€š

> >

> > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > wrote:

> >

> > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> >

> > Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:05 PM

> >

> > Ãƒâ€š

> >

> > How can SOULs live in fantasies? I thought only DESIRES lived in FANtasies!

> >

> > What has been your personal experience about that, so far? ;-)

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Two souls living in fantasies and are seamless.Always. .Heavens are always

menat for marraiges.Music of Mira is always to the dancing Krishna of Brindavan.

> > >

> > > Vattem Krishnan

> > > Cyber Jyotish Services

> > > (For all counseling services)

> > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

Wisemen Can Control Them "

> > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma

> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > >

> > > --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...>

> > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > >

> > > Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:14 PM

> > >

> > > ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

> > >

> > > That's true!! Amma is also symbolically married/ paired with someone...

> > >

> > > Amma

> > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@

.....> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I thought you had AMMA ;-)

> > > > Mirabai was not married to Shri Krishna, but nor was she married to any

mortal (in effect!) :-)

> > > >

> > > > RR_,

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ >

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I

don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us

know.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before

December of 1983?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of

any particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu

could also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your

chart and again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the

West, the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more

you teach!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have

experience in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the

same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is

bound to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in

many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in

the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is

placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the

natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your

AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way..

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn..

But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the

Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime

ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " to experience the ONE and ONLY parent

ÃƒÆ’Ã‚Â¢ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ã‚Â¬ " GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any

bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle

spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my

live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my

childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone

around.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere

does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too

as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or

bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good

may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall

relationship is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his

wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond

his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you

with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any

association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his

or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those

articles by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in

4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a

mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we

really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many

ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the

key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the

chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then

it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations,

influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with

Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun

is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR

in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas,

Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_

Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a

birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well

in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually

an " auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives

life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in

worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns "

and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how

it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be

assessed to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how

exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

January 16, 2010

Hi Lilly,

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read in one of your posts about your

reluctance to get married inspite of many 'opportunities'. To me that translates

to unwillingness to get into 'bandhan'.

We always hear about the negatives of Mangal " Dosh " . Perhaps this is a spiritual

and positive side of it. Perhaps that is why the hesitation in recommending

marriage for such individuals - another way of emphasising the spiritual

strength and inclination of such individuals.

After all who would knowingly want to get married to a person who has it in him

or her to suddenly leave the wordly life and walk away from it all when CALLED!

Unless!!

....

Unless one is ready to walk away with him or her as well, without a moment's

hesitation!

But then these are just thoughts and like I told you I have no experience.

Regards,

Nandini

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I don't

have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of suitable for

marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your predictions come true

:-)..

>

> Lilly

>

> , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> >

> > Lilly,

> >

> > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us know.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Nandini

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > >

> > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before December of

1983?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > Nandini

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > >

> > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any

particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > >

> > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could also

be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and again

a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the

4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you teach!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in

jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship

with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I

had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like

everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time

also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to

suffer.//

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways

in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th

house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in

the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak

for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But

wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother

could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE

and ONLY parent – GOD!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone

disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back

pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and

still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we

had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around.

> > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit

to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his

family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some

areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add

to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r

enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is

v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after

putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc

limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > >

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in

4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun

and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by

any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and

can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's

house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really

seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar

G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role

in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart]

shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows

the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can

add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha

sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o

exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal

relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity

there]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates

will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth

chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th

house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an

" auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life

force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly

affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and

" purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it

may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed

to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does

the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

January 16, 2010

Dear Nandini,

Who on earth does not want to get married(happily ever after)just like our

mothers told us :-)..

At the same time we all search for TRUE LOVE but never find it in this world(at

least so far it hasn't happen).

Lilly

, " nandini " <kakan_leo wrote:

>

> Hi Lilly,

>

> Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read in one of your posts about your

reluctance to get married inspite of many 'opportunities'. To me that translates

to unwillingness to get into 'bandhan'.

>

> We always hear about the negatives of Mangal " Dosh " . Perhaps this is a

spiritual and positive side of it. Perhaps that is why the hesitation in

recommending marriage for such individuals - another way of emphasising the

spiritual strength and inclination of such individuals.

>

> After all who would knowingly want to get married to a person who has it in

him or her to suddenly leave the wordly life and walk away from it all when

CALLED! Unless!!

>

> ...

>

> Unless one is ready to walk away with him or her as well, without a moment's

hesitation!

>

> But then these are just thoughts and like I told you I have no experience.

>

> Regards,

> Nandini

>

> , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> >

> > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I don't

have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of suitable for

marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your predictions come true

:-)..

> >

> > Lilly

> >

> > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Lilly,

> > >

> > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us know.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Nandini

> > >

> > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > >

> > > > Lilly

> > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > >

> > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before December of

1983?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > Nandini

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any

particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could

also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and

again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West, the

4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you

teach!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in

jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship

with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I

had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like

everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same

time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound

to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways

in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th

house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in

the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak

for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But

wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother

could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE

and ONLY parent – GOD!!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone

disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back

pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and

still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we

had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around.

> > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add

to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r

enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family]

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship

is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife

after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his

toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > >

/database?method=reportRows & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun

in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with

sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father

:-)

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by

any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H

and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's

house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really

seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role

in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart]

shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it

shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can

add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha

sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o

exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas,

Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth

chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in

10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an

" auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life

force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly

affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and

" purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it

may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed

to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly

does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

January 16, 2010

Sharing with you what I read and learnt, not trying to correct or educate you

Lilly, what do I know! I hope you will take it in the right spirit.

THEY say that all that we seek outside of ourselves are actually within and

INSIDE is where we need to focus if we really really want anything.

WHOM and WHEN and WHO have we loved UNCONDITIONALLY Lilly, that we would get IT

back from the Universe!

THEY say

" Charity begins at HOME!

LOVE yourself first! "

Not sure about you but that to me that sounds like some advice all of us could

use. A friend of mine went to see a psychologist recently and was given a

strange advice! She was told " There is a part of you that is a little girl and

stuck there and hasn't grown up. Mother that child! Pay attention to her as you

would your lonely and bruised and abused and neglected daughter who has no one

on earth apart from YOU! Help her grow up. "

Not all of us are stuck there and that desperately perhaps Lilly but I am sure

everyone can relate to that in some way or the other. The least we can do is pay

attention to that part of ourself that we feel no one has understood and loved.

And LOVE that part. IF we happen to arrive there, TRUE LOVE should not be even

an arm's length away I guess.

There are some perhaps for whom TRUE LOVE is destined in this lifetime due to

the efforts of FREE WILL that they made in some previous lifetime. But for the

rest of us, the journey towards LOVING our ownselves need to continue so that

TRUE LOVE arrives soon and who knows how soon!! It a quest that we need to take

inward and not outward.

But sorry for all the gyaan!

Regards,

Nandini

, " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote:

>

> Dear Nandini,

>

> Who on earth does not want to get married(happily ever after)just like our

mothers told us :-)..

>

> At the same time we all search for TRUE LOVE but never find it in this

world(at least so far it hasn't happen).

>

> Lilly

>

> , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Lilly,

> >

> > Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I read in one of your posts about your

reluctance to get married inspite of many 'opportunities'. To me that translates

to unwillingness to get into 'bandhan'.

> >

> > We always hear about the negatives of Mangal " Dosh " . Perhaps this is a

spiritual and positive side of it. Perhaps that is why the hesitation in

recommending marriage for such individuals - another way of emphasising the

spiritual strength and inclination of such individuals.

> >

> > After all who would knowingly want to get married to a person who has it in

him or her to suddenly leave the wordly life and walk away from it all when

CALLED! Unless!!

> >

> > ...

> >

> > Unless one is ready to walk away with him or her as well, without a moment's

hesitation!

> >

> > But then these are just thoughts and like I told you I have no experience.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Nandini

> >

> > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hee, hee, are you hinting something Nandini ji.. But I can tell you I

don't have anyone that special in my life right now( that I can think of

suitable for marriage)..But you all will be the first to know if your

predictions come true :-)..

> > >

> > > Lilly

> > >

> > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Lilly,

> > > >

> > > > If you get married between February 2010 and July 2010, do let us know.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Nandini

> > > >

> > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > No MA, It was actually 1988.

> > > > >

> > > > > Lilly

> > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By any chance did you move to the west from India before December of

1983?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and regards,

> > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@>

wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Nandani,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Wow, I was not aware that Rahu/Ketu owns or has lordship of any

particular house or rashi..Is there some classic that mentions rahu owning

Aquarius? What is chara PitriKarak?

> > > > > > > Yes, I was born in the east and moved to west.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " nandini " <kakan_leo@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you consider the dual rulership of Aquarius, then Rahu could

also be ruler of your 4th house. Rahu is the chara PitriKarak in your chart and

again a link between the indicator of parents.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Considering that you were born in India and moved to the West,

the 4th lord in 12th could be a real possibility.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for the validations - the more you share, the more you

teach!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience

in jotisha:-)!

> > > > > > > > > You are right in your assessment about my difficult

relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful

qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a

helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in

progress!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , " nandini "

<kakan_leo@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > if I may.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same

time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound

to suffer.//

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many

ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the

4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed

in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural

Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak

Mercury.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could

indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But

wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother

could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE

and ONLY parent – GOD!!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Nandini

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another//

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone

disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back

pains(poor posture), headaches etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live,

and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood

we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around.

> > > > > > > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a

limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for

his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father

some areas of life is bound to suffer.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G

B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does

add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as

they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies

family]

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone

disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may

live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be

made to stay away from one another

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship

is v good between the father son.

> > > > > > > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife

after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his

toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@>

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with

sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association

with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her

father :-)

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > RR_,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly "

<tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's//

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles

by any chance Prashant Ji?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H

and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's

house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really

seem to be at odds with each other sometimes.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant

Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many

ways.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key

role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart]

shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it

shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and

successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their

charts with good Dig, shad balas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences

can add/deduct the results of other bhavas

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with

Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc

[bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons

like health/death etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n

o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father,

paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd

entity there]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in

astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas,

Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while

posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture

in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown

folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see

Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/

database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement !

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a

birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in

10th house( not too sure about the other houses).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an

" auspicious " planet.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives

life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in

worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and

" purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it

may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed

to get an accurate picture).

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly

does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >

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