Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Lilly, u have already answered ur own question in many ways. as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's prashant I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ Lilly <tigresslilly2005 Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM Sun's Placement ! Dear Members, Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? Lilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. Lilly , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Lilly, > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > prashant > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > ________________________________ > Lilly <tigresslilly2005 > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > Sun's Placement ! > > > > Dear Members, > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > Lilly > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Lilly, well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe magazine now and her brothers have taken over not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine is eastrologicalmagazine.com so u can write to them this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her publicationsagrany; and one run by her brothers is Niranjan Babu B <cru115 ---- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ Lilly <tigresslilly2005 Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. Lilly , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Lilly, > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > prashant > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > Sun's Placement ! > > > > Dear Members, > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > Lilly > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) RR_, , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > Lilly > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Lilly, > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > prashant > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and uploading those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored meanings!) should have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or Times of Astrology etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-) It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright issues and now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud! RR_, , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Lilly, > > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe magazine now and her brothers have taken over > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine is > eastrologicalmagazine.com so u can write to them > > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her > publicationsagrany; > > and one run by her brothers is > > Niranjan Babu B <cru115 > > > ---- > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > ________________________________ > Lilly <tigresslilly2005 > > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > Lilly > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Lilly, > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > prashant > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Dear RRji, Lilly a v good point-distinction ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. prashant - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) RR_, , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > Lilly > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Lilly, > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > prashant > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Dear Members. Certainly this is miscommunicated issue.A.M data base was very much kept in archieves by M/S raman Publications.This treasure was also taken over under the custody of ICAS library. The role of brother is about eAstrological Magazine commenced from July2009 in which mebership si ope, where as Argany Publications Modern Astrological magazine through Argany Publication is under the stewardship of Mrs gaytri Vasudev.Most of family affairs of late ramans family are now getting sorted out.It is now a question of time.ICAS ,banglore deemed university is a trust and has the blessings of this family as a whole. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:05 AM  Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and uploading those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored meanings!) should have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or Times of Astrology etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-) It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright issues and now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud! RR_, , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ...> wrote: > > Lilly, > > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe magazine now and her brothers have taken over > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine is > eastrologicalmagazi ne.com so u can write to them > > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her > publicationsagrany@ ...; > > and one run by her brothers is > > Niranjan Babu B <cru115 > > > ---- > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > Lilly > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Lilly, > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > prashant > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Dear Krishna ji well ur msg sounds more soothing and reliving that they r coming out of the dark phase for the good of the astrological family themselves and thus the world of astrologers at large the biggest contrubutors to the subject for at least 4 generations. earlier it happens the better let us hope the material becomes public for all. ..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Tue, January 12, 2010 10:49:56 PM Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 Dear Members. Certainly this is miscommunicated issue.A.M data base was very much kept in archieves by M/S raman Publications. This treasure was also taken over under the custody of ICAS library. The role of brother is about eAstrological Magazine commenced from July2009 in which mebership si ope, where as Argany Publications Modern Astrological magazine through Argany Publication is under the stewardship of Mrs gaytri Vasudev.Most of family affairs of late ramans family are now getting sorted out.It is now a question of time.ICAS ,banglore deemed university is a trust and has the blessings of this family as a whole. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:05 AM Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and uploading those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored meanings!) should have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or Times of Astrology etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-) It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright issues and now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud! RR_, , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ...> wrote: > > Lilly, > > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe magazine now and her brothers have taken over > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine is > eastrologicalmagazi ne.com so u can write to them > > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her > publicationsagrany@ ...; > > and one run by her brothers is > > Niranjan Babu B <cru115 > > > ---- > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > Lilly > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Lilly, > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > prashant > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. Lilly , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > a v good point-distinction > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > prashant > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > RR_, > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Lily as said by u also there r other factors that add or deduct the possible scene in case no accident combinations r not there no injuries similalry if sun is not in Asc or 4 or 6th over all health can be better. but as said these r stats with some research by some good astgros of the past golden era of astrologers e.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 ________________________________ Lilly <tigresslilly2005 Tue, January 12, 2010 11:37:52 PM Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. Lilly , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > a v good point-distinction > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > prashant > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > RR_, > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Dear Lilly, if I may. //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! Regards, Nandini , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > Lilly > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > prashant > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2010 Report Share Posted January 12, 2010 Well Ms. Nadini, by you post I can see you do have experience in jotisha:-)! You are right in your assessment about my difficult relationship with my mother.. She is an amazing women with lots of wonderful qualities(wish I had some of them!), but we often bump and crash, then lend a helping hand. Like everything else in my life relationship is a work in progress! Lilly , " nandini " <kakan_leo wrote: > > Dear Lilly, > > if I may. > > //When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer.// > > The indicators of Mother and Father come together in many ways in your chart. For example Sun the natural karak for father, placed in the 4th house of Mother is also the chara MatriKarak. The 4th lord Saturn is placed in the 9th house of father. The 9th lord is none other than Moon, the natural Karak for Mother, so well placed in the 5th, in the star of your AtmaKarak Mercury. > > Chara MatriKarak placed in the house it represents could indicate difficult experiences related to the mother in a worldly way. > > I have no Jyotish experience - just trying to learn. But wondering if this coming together of the indicators of the Father and the Mother could be a great spiritual opportunity in this lifetime – to experience the ONE and ONLY parent – GOD!! > > Regards, > Nandini > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Please provide more details Sir: a) How does one access the archive? Is it only by personal visit or is there a modern electronic format available? b) Exactly from which to which issue is in the archive? c) What is in the archives :-) Table of Contents, full-text articles, abstract? d) How much does the archive cost and is it available in segments or just one package only? e) I realize that you may not be directly involved with this organization, but could you kindly share with us great unwashed if they have a website or is there a contact person etc? Thanks in advance for as much information as you can share. Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Members. > Certainly this is miscommunicated issue.A.M data base was very much kept in archieves by M/S raman Publications.This treasure was also taken over under the custody of ICAS library. > The role of brother is about eAstrological Magazine commenced from July2009 in which mebership si ope, > where as Argany Publications Modern Astrological magazine through Argany Publication is under the stewardship of Mrs gaytri Vasudev.Most of family affairs of late ramans family are now getting sorted out.It is now a question of time.ICAS ,banglore deemed university is a trust and has the blessings of this family as a whole. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:05 AM > > >  > > > > Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and uploading those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored meanings!) should have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or Times of Astrology etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-) > > It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright issues and now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud! > > RR_, > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ...> wrote: > > > > Lilly, > > > > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe magazine now and her brothers have taken over > > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine is > > eastrologicalmagazi ne.com so u can write to them > > > > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her > > publicationsagrany@ ...; > > > > and one run by her brothers is > > > > Niranjan Babu B <cru115@ > > > > > > ---- > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > Lilly > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Lilly, I think you are 'running... " with a general statement that Prashant made! I do not think he was talking about *your* chart :-) The biggest problem with astrology and particularly with beginners is that they tend to run with it too literally! It does not work that way at all, regardless of the fact that even so called CLASSICS are full of sun in this sign or that house or in case of Saravali several combinations of planets in certain houses type readings! They simply do not work consistently if one takes the time to test those in many charts. If we use the rather uncommon common-sense (sorry if I am being a curmudgeon!) it would be very readily apparent that if Astrology was just about having a 'look-up' table where planets in signs or in houses or in nakshatra or navamsha etc were equivalent to capsules of reading -- then a very basic database software would be able to mete out the full readings! But this experiment has been conducted and failed! In fact one software actually made a heroic attempt to then translate and compost the logic (typo intenional) into a nice looking reading but very quickly withdrew it without even a change in the version number ;-) Those who spotted that did so by serendipity! Even if you take other pieces like Ashtakavarga and umpteen dashas, padas and what not, the stew definitely gets richer and perhaps tastier and way more nutritious than the planet in house planet in sign porridge (Daliya! Or shall we say Sattu?) but then that just makes it a dish and not a gourmet but nourishing feast for the body, mind and soul! No house can be built without basic material: bricks, wood, nails, screws, metal strips, stone, cement, mortar, grout, tiles, dry-wall (or equivalent in other countries), glass, blah blah blah! But then one must add the 'human touch' to convert a pile of construction material into a beautiful architectural creation! And architects/builders are not made in one day or one year and after reading one or two bricks! They waste a lot of material during practice before they can sit back and look at their design and construction and say, " AHHHHH...! " RR-, , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > Lilly > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > prashant > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 STOP..STOP..,before I go blind!! You are throwing way too much " light " into joytisha! Don't you want to leave some things for tomorrow.. Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Lilly, > > I think you are 'running... " with a general statement that Prashant made! I do not think he was talking about *your* chart :-) > > The biggest problem with astrology and particularly with beginners is that they tend to run with it too literally! It does not work that way at all, regardless of the fact that even so called CLASSICS are full of sun in this sign or that house or in case of Saravali several combinations of planets in certain houses type readings! They simply do not work consistently if one takes the time to test those in many charts. > > If we use the rather uncommon common-sense (sorry if I am being a curmudgeon!) it would be very readily apparent that if Astrology was just about having a 'look-up' table where planets in signs or in houses or in nakshatra or navamsha etc were equivalent to capsules of reading -- then a very basic database software would be able to mete out the full readings! But this experiment has been conducted and failed! In fact one software actually made a heroic attempt to then translate and compost the logic (typo intenional) into a nice looking reading but very quickly withdrew it without even a change in the version number ;-) Those who spotted that did so by serendipity! > > Even if you take other pieces like Ashtakavarga and umpteen dashas, padas and what not, the stew definitely gets richer and perhaps tastier and way more nutritious than the planet in house planet in sign porridge (Daliya! Or shall we say Sattu?) but then that just makes it a dish and not a gourmet but nourishing feast for the body, mind and soul! > > No house can be built without basic material: bricks, wood, nails, screws, metal strips, stone, cement, mortar, grout, tiles, dry-wall (or equivalent in other countries), glass, blah blah blah! But then one must add the 'human touch' to convert a pile of construction material into a beautiful architectural creation! > > And architects/builders are not made in one day or one year and after reading one or two bricks! They waste a lot of material during practice before they can sit back and look at their design and construction and say, " AHHHHH...! " > > RR-, > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 What if the sun does not rise tomorrow, Tigress? Or worse...! What if it rises in the West? As we had always been using as the metaphor for the impossible? East and West are rather meagre realities once we begin to consider our (solar system's) place in the Galaxy! If the 2012 Scare was not put in our soul by the MAYA, and so much written about it -- scaring, refreshing, soothing, and so on, many of us would never have become aware of it as being an astronomical reality! The world is not going to end on 21-12-2012 despite the earthquakes and snowstorms and nearly thwarted human tragedies and so on that was witnessed around the past Christmas -- but hopefully (and the Ancient Mayas had been hoping and praying!) that we -- their descendents in a global sense, realize that we (our solar system!) is but a infinitismal speck in the GRAND CREATION of BRAHMA! Sometimes, in order to embrace the MACROCOSMOS, one must reach within to the microcosmos! That is the only BINARY REALITY that we often ignore when we look not OUTSIDE or within, but unfocussedly here and there and everywhere -- but THERE! I am not sure whether you are familiar with Dobsonian telescopes. They demand a 'setting-up' procedure. You have to find two bright stars (the manual instructions are very clear!) in order to calibrate your " point of view " , your 'perspective'. Thereafter, you are free to explore the Universe, if you so wish! Or stick with Astrology! Same difference, as the cliché goes! But DO something to move you out of the armchair or couch!! Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > STOP..STOP..,before I go blind!! > You are throwing way too much " light " into joytisha! Don't you want to leave some things for tomorrow.. > > Lilly > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > I think you are 'running... " with a general statement that Prashant made! I do not think he was talking about *your* chart :-) > > > > The biggest problem with astrology and particularly with beginners is that they tend to run with it too literally! It does not work that way at all, regardless of the fact that even so called CLASSICS are full of sun in this sign or that house or in case of Saravali several combinations of planets in certain houses type readings! They simply do not work consistently if one takes the time to test those in many charts. > > > > If we use the rather uncommon common-sense (sorry if I am being a curmudgeon!) it would be very readily apparent that if Astrology was just about having a 'look-up' table where planets in signs or in houses or in nakshatra or navamsha etc were equivalent to capsules of reading -- then a very basic database software would be able to mete out the full readings! But this experiment has been conducted and failed! In fact one software actually made a heroic attempt to then translate and compost the logic (typo intenional) into a nice looking reading but very quickly withdrew it without even a change in the version number ;-) Those who spotted that did so by serendipity! > > > > Even if you take other pieces like Ashtakavarga and umpteen dashas, padas and what not, the stew definitely gets richer and perhaps tastier and way more nutritious than the planet in house planet in sign porridge (Daliya! Or shall we say Sattu?) but then that just makes it a dish and not a gourmet but nourishing feast for the body, mind and soul! > > > > No house can be built without basic material: bricks, wood, nails, screws, metal strips, stone, cement, mortar, grout, tiles, dry-wall (or equivalent in other countries), glass, blah blah blah! But then one must add the 'human touch' to convert a pile of construction material into a beautiful architectural creation! > > > > And architects/builders are not made in one day or one year and after reading one or two bricks! They waste a lot of material during practice before they can sit back and look at their design and construction and say, " AHHHHH...! " > > > > RR-, > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Prashnt Ji, Feb2008 old A.M was put on their web:www.astrologicalmagazines.com.Archieves were made avialable.Readers used to get back volumeas.Unfortunately AM family happened to be in distress. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 12:59 PM  Dear Krishna ji well ur msg sounds more soothing and reliving that they r coming out of the dark phase for the good of the astrological family themselves and thus the world of astrologers at large the biggest contrubutors to the subject for at least 4 generations. earlier it happens the better let us hope the material becomes public for all. ...- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Tue, January 12, 2010 10:49:56 PM Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 Dear Members. Certainly this is miscommunicated issue.A.M data base was very much kept in archieves by M/S raman Publications. This treasure was also taken over under the custody of ICAS library. The role of brother is about eAstrological Magazine commenced from July2009 in which mebership si ope, where as Argany Publications Modern Astrological magazine through Argany Publication is under the stewardship of Mrs gaytri Vasudev.Most of family affairs of late ramans family are now getting sorted out.It is now a question of time.ICAS ,banglore deemed university is a trust and has the blessings of this family as a whole. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:05 AM Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and uploading those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored meanings!) should have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or Times of Astrology etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-) It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright issues and now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud! RR_, , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ....> wrote: > > Lilly, > > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe magazine now and her brothers have taken over > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine is > eastrologicalmagazi ne.com so u can write to them > > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her > publicationsagrany@ ...; > > and one run by her brothers is > > Niranjan Babu B <cru115 > > > ---- > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > Lilly > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ..> wrote: > > > > Lilly, > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > prashant > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Krishnan_dada, I had some rather pointed questions posted at you earlier. I realize that you are very busy but you will eventually get to my questions and whether you choose to respond to the 'ant-bites' or not, I am sure you (and others) shall find a way! Houses and indications (particularly the core ones) indicate the INVARIABLE in a lifetime. Charakarakas, then *can* point towards karmic challenges and what sometimes one tends to overlook and ignore. Particularly when atmakaraka is involved with a karmic planet such as Gulika. I cannot quote a Classical strotra (I have written enough about Classics even at the risk of getting some friends and well-wishers turn against me! As opposed to against my words!!) but the two terms: KARMA and KARAKA had been my CLUE! May those be yours too, to seek and explore and find! Regards, Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Prashnt Ji, > Feb2008 old A.M was put on their web:www.astrologicalmagazines.com.Archieves were made avialable.Readers used to get back volumeas.Unfortunately AM family happened to be in distress. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 12:59 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Krishna ji > > well ur msg sounds more soothing and reliving that they r coming out of the dark phase for the good of the astrological family themselves and thus the world of astrologers at large the biggest contrubutors to the subject for at least 4 generations. earlier it happens the better > > let us hope the material becomes public for all. > > ..- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 10:49:56 PM > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > Dear Members. > Certainly this is miscommunicated issue.A.M data base was very much kept in archieves by M/S raman Publications. This treasure was also taken over under the custody of ICAS library. > The role of brother is about eAstrological Magazine commenced from July2009 in which mebership si ope, > where as Argany Publications Modern Astrological magazine through Argany Publication is under the stewardship of Mrs gaytri Vasudev.Most of family affairs of late ramans family are now getting sorted out.It is now a question of time.ICAS ,banglore deemed university is a trust and has the blessings of this family as a whole. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 7:05 AM > > Yes it is sad! Those very people who spend time OCRing classics and uploading those online as pirated edition (some with personally-doctored meanings!) should have spent their time in OCRing tables of contents from AM or Times of Astrology etc. Would have been a much better service to Jyotish :-) > > It is a shame that the articles could not be OCRed due to copyright issues and now we all are hostage to poor archiving and family feud! > > RR_, > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ .....> wrote: > > > > Lilly, > > > > well there is no such database yet as these r pre-Info tech days and pre-NET days too BUT HAD SUGGESTED THIS IDEA TO THE THEN editor IN CHIEF GAYATHRI DAVEI VASUDEV who did agree like the idea the setp up has changed inthe magazine now and her brothers have taken over > > not surte of their interest in this BUT the new avatar of the magazine is > > eastrologicalmagazi ne.com so u can write to them > > > > this is the MODERN ASTROLOGICAL MAGAZINE run by her > > publicationsagrany@ ...; > > > > and one run by her brothers is > > > > Niranjan Babu B <cru115@ > > > > > > ---- > > G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 3:22:15 PM > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > Lilly > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ ...> > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Actually the sun did rise TODAY(where I live in the west):-), after many, many days of darkness! aab ees " ROOSHANI " se aankhiya mechol gayein saab aab dundhla hee dundhla dikhta hai Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > What if the sun does not rise tomorrow, Tigress? > > Or worse...! What if it rises in the West? As we had always been using as the metaphor for the impossible? > > East and West are rather meagre realities once we begin to consider our (solar system's) place in the Galaxy! If the 2012 Scare was not put in our soul by the MAYA, and so much written about it -- scaring, refreshing, soothing, and so on, many of us would never have become aware of it as being an astronomical reality! > > The world is not going to end on 21-12-2012 despite the earthquakes and snowstorms and nearly thwarted human tragedies and so on that was witnessed around the past Christmas -- but hopefully (and the Ancient Mayas had been hoping and praying!) that we -- their descendents in a global sense, realize that we (our solar system!) is but a infinitismal speck in the GRAND CREATION of BRAHMA! > > Sometimes, in order to embrace the MACROCOSMOS, one must reach within to the microcosmos! That is the only BINARY REALITY that we often ignore when we look not OUTSIDE or within, but unfocussedly here and there and everywhere -- but THERE! > > I am not sure whether you are familiar with Dobsonian telescopes. They demand a 'setting-up' procedure. You have to find two bright stars (the manual instructions are very clear!) in order to calibrate your " point of view " , your 'perspective'. > > Thereafter, you are free to explore the Universe, if you so wish! > > Or stick with Astrology! Same difference, as the cliché goes! But DO something to move you out of the armchair or couch!! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > STOP..STOP..,before I go blind!! > > You are throwing way too much " light " into joytisha! Don't you want to leave some things for tomorrow.. > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > I think you are 'running... " with a general statement that Prashant made! I do not think he was talking about *your* chart :-) > > > > > > The biggest problem with astrology and particularly with beginners is that they tend to run with it too literally! It does not work that way at all, regardless of the fact that even so called CLASSICS are full of sun in this sign or that house or in case of Saravali several combinations of planets in certain houses type readings! They simply do not work consistently if one takes the time to test those in many charts. > > > > > > If we use the rather uncommon common-sense (sorry if I am being a curmudgeon!) it would be very readily apparent that if Astrology was just about having a 'look-up' table where planets in signs or in houses or in nakshatra or navamsha etc were equivalent to capsules of reading -- then a very basic database software would be able to mete out the full readings! But this experiment has been conducted and failed! In fact one software actually made a heroic attempt to then translate and compost the logic (typo intenional) into a nice looking reading but very quickly withdrew it without even a change in the version number ;-) Those who spotted that did so by serendipity! > > > > > > Even if you take other pieces like Ashtakavarga and umpteen dashas, padas and what not, the stew definitely gets richer and perhaps tastier and way more nutritious than the planet in house planet in sign porridge (Daliya! Or shall we say Sattu?) but then that just makes it a dish and not a gourmet but nourishing feast for the body, mind and soul! > > > > > > No house can be built without basic material: bricks, wood, nails, screws, metal strips, stone, cement, mortar, grout, tiles, dry-wall (or equivalent in other countries), glass, blah blah blah! But then one must add the 'human touch' to convert a pile of construction material into a beautiful architectural creation! > > > > > > And architects/builders are not made in one day or one year and after reading one or two bricks! They waste a lot of material during practice before they can sit back and look at their design and construction and say, " AHHHHH...! " > > > > > > RR-, > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 But I thought the entire " BRAMHAND " , the cosmos was within us! Shivoam Brahamashmi! Lilly , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > What if the sun does not rise tomorrow, Tigress? > > Or worse...! What if it rises in the West? As we had always been using as the metaphor for the impossible? > > East and West are rather meagre realities once we begin to consider our (solar system's) place in the Galaxy! If the 2012 Scare was not put in our soul by the MAYA, and so much written about it -- scaring, refreshing, soothing, and so on, many of us would never have become aware of it as being an astronomical reality! > > The world is not going to end on 21-12-2012 despite the earthquakes and snowstorms and nearly thwarted human tragedies and so on that was witnessed around the past Christmas -- but hopefully (and the Ancient Mayas had been hoping and praying!) that we -- their descendents in a global sense, realize that we (our solar system!) is but a infinitismal speck in the GRAND CREATION of BRAHMA! > > Sometimes, in order to embrace the MACROCOSMOS, one must reach within to the microcosmos! That is the only BINARY REALITY that we often ignore when we look not OUTSIDE or within, but unfocussedly here and there and everywhere -- but THERE! > > I am not sure whether you are familiar with Dobsonian telescopes. They demand a 'setting-up' procedure. You have to find two bright stars (the manual instructions are very clear!) in order to calibrate your " point of view " , your 'perspective'. > > Thereafter, you are free to explore the Universe, if you so wish! > > Or stick with Astrology! Same difference, as the cliché goes! But DO something to move you out of the armchair or couch!! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > STOP..STOP..,before I go blind!! > > You are throwing way too much " light " into joytisha! Don't you want to leave some things for tomorrow.. > > > > Lilly > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > I think you are 'running... " with a general statement that Prashant made! I do not think he was talking about *your* chart :-) > > > > > > The biggest problem with astrology and particularly with beginners is that they tend to run with it too literally! It does not work that way at all, regardless of the fact that even so called CLASSICS are full of sun in this sign or that house or in case of Saravali several combinations of planets in certain houses type readings! They simply do not work consistently if one takes the time to test those in many charts. > > > > > > If we use the rather uncommon common-sense (sorry if I am being a curmudgeon!) it would be very readily apparent that if Astrology was just about having a 'look-up' table where planets in signs or in houses or in nakshatra or navamsha etc were equivalent to capsules of reading -- then a very basic database software would be able to mete out the full readings! But this experiment has been conducted and failed! In fact one software actually made a heroic attempt to then translate and compost the logic (typo intenional) into a nice looking reading but very quickly withdrew it without even a change in the version number ;-) Those who spotted that did so by serendipity! > > > > > > Even if you take other pieces like Ashtakavarga and umpteen dashas, padas and what not, the stew definitely gets richer and perhaps tastier and way more nutritious than the planet in house planet in sign porridge (Daliya! Or shall we say Sattu?) but then that just makes it a dish and not a gourmet but nourishing feast for the body, mind and soul! > > > > > > No house can be built without basic material: bricks, wood, nails, screws, metal strips, stone, cement, mortar, grout, tiles, dry-wall (or equivalent in other countries), glass, blah blah blah! But then one must add the 'human touch' to convert a pile of construction material into a beautiful architectural creation! > > > > > > And architects/builders are not made in one day or one year and after reading one or two bricks! They waste a lot of material during practice before they can sit back and look at their design and construction and say, " AHHHHH...! " > > > > > > RR-, > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 I meant " FROM " baba, not 'in'! Speaking of sun, despite all the theoretical knowledge about not looking at the sun particularly during a solar eclipse (blah blah blah) and having known a few individuals who did actually do the stupid thing and became blind to varying degrees, this morning I did the silly thing! It was a very cloudy day here and suddenly my attention was drawn to the sky. The dark clouds were streaming across what I could swear was the MOON! I KNEW it was the SUN but it was so easy to accept it as the MOON! Very similar disk diameters when seen from the earth! The clouds shifted and a thinner patch arrived streaming across the SUN. The light was intense but not intense enough to hurt or to make me blink! I drew down the wire net blind and continued to look at the sun for a few seconds longer. I was looking at it side-ways and not straight on! All this was simply for a few seconds but then I had to get back to WORK and before I took the homework out, I happened to glance at a white wall for a second or two. The serendipitous gaze lasted longer because I saw that even the mild encounter with the SUN left a mark! I could see a negative image of the sun as I glanced at the white wall! Even when Sun does not blind you, it seems to leave behind an 'after image'! Beware of the Sun! It is not MOON :-) Rohiniranjan , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > Actually the sun did rise TODAY(where I live in the west):-), after many, many days of darkness! > > aab ees " ROOSHANI " se aankhiya mechol gayein > saab aab dundhla hee dundhla dikhta hai > > Lilly > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > What if the sun does not rise tomorrow, Tigress? > > > > Or worse...! What if it rises in the West? As we had always been using as the metaphor for the impossible? > > > > East and West are rather meagre realities once we begin to consider our (solar system's) place in the Galaxy! If the 2012 Scare was not put in our soul by the MAYA, and so much written about it -- scaring, refreshing, soothing, and so on, many of us would never have become aware of it as being an astronomical reality! > > > > The world is not going to end on 21-12-2012 despite the earthquakes and snowstorms and nearly thwarted human tragedies and so on that was witnessed around the past Christmas -- but hopefully (and the Ancient Mayas had been hoping and praying!) that we -- their descendents in a global sense, realize that we (our solar system!) is but a infinitismal speck in the GRAND CREATION of BRAHMA! > > > > Sometimes, in order to embrace the MACROCOSMOS, one must reach within to the microcosmos! That is the only BINARY REALITY that we often ignore when we look not OUTSIDE or within, but unfocussedly here and there and everywhere -- but THERE! > > > > I am not sure whether you are familiar with Dobsonian telescopes. They demand a 'setting-up' procedure. You have to find two bright stars (the manual instructions are very clear!) in order to calibrate your " point of view " , your 'perspective'. > > > > Thereafter, you are free to explore the Universe, if you so wish! > > > > Or stick with Astrology! Same difference, as the cliché goes! But DO something to move you out of the armchair or couch!! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > STOP..STOP..,before I go blind!! > > > You are throwing way too much " light " into joytisha! Don't you want to leave some things for tomorrow.. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > I think you are 'running... " with a general statement that Prashant made! I do not think he was talking about *your* chart :-) > > > > > > > > The biggest problem with astrology and particularly with beginners is that they tend to run with it too literally! It does not work that way at all, regardless of the fact that even so called CLASSICS are full of sun in this sign or that house or in case of Saravali several combinations of planets in certain houses type readings! They simply do not work consistently if one takes the time to test those in many charts. > > > > > > > > If we use the rather uncommon common-sense (sorry if I am being a curmudgeon!) it would be very readily apparent that if Astrology was just about having a 'look-up' table where planets in signs or in houses or in nakshatra or navamsha etc were equivalent to capsules of reading -- then a very basic database software would be able to mete out the full readings! But this experiment has been conducted and failed! In fact one software actually made a heroic attempt to then translate and compost the logic (typo intenional) into a nice looking reading but very quickly withdrew it without even a change in the version number ;-) Those who spotted that did so by serendipity! > > > > > > > > Even if you take other pieces like Ashtakavarga and umpteen dashas, padas and what not, the stew definitely gets richer and perhaps tastier and way more nutritious than the planet in house planet in sign porridge (Daliya! Or shall we say Sattu?) but then that just makes it a dish and not a gourmet but nourishing feast for the body, mind and soul! > > > > > > > > No house can be built without basic material: bricks, wood, nails, screws, metal strips, stone, cement, mortar, grout, tiles, dry-wall (or equivalent in other countries), glass, blah blah blah! But then one must add the 'human touch' to convert a pile of construction material into a beautiful architectural creation! > > > > > > > > And architects/builders are not made in one day or one year and after reading one or two bricks! They waste a lot of material during practice before they can sit back and look at their design and construction and say, " AHHHHH...! " > > > > > > > > RR-, > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 The brahmaand is way better defined in the Scriptures etc. than the " I " or 'US'. Hence the confusion and room for 'free-will' and personal growth!! RR_, , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005 wrote: > > > But I thought the entire " BRAMHAND " , the cosmos was within us! > Shivoam Brahamashmi! > > > Lilly > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > What if the sun does not rise tomorrow, Tigress? > > > > Or worse...! What if it rises in the West? As we had always been using as the metaphor for the impossible? > > > > East and West are rather meagre realities once we begin to consider our (solar system's) place in the Galaxy! If the 2012 Scare was not put in our soul by the MAYA, and so much written about it -- scaring, refreshing, soothing, and so on, many of us would never have become aware of it as being an astronomical reality! > > > > The world is not going to end on 21-12-2012 despite the earthquakes and snowstorms and nearly thwarted human tragedies and so on that was witnessed around the past Christmas -- but hopefully (and the Ancient Mayas had been hoping and praying!) that we -- their descendents in a global sense, realize that we (our solar system!) is but a infinitismal speck in the GRAND CREATION of BRAHMA! > > > > Sometimes, in order to embrace the MACROCOSMOS, one must reach within to the microcosmos! That is the only BINARY REALITY that we often ignore when we look not OUTSIDE or within, but unfocussedly here and there and everywhere -- but THERE! > > > > I am not sure whether you are familiar with Dobsonian telescopes. They demand a 'setting-up' procedure. You have to find two bright stars (the manual instructions are very clear!) in order to calibrate your " point of view " , your 'perspective'. > > > > Thereafter, you are free to explore the Universe, if you so wish! > > > > Or stick with Astrology! Same difference, as the cliché goes! But DO something to move you out of the armchair or couch!! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > STOP..STOP..,before I go blind!! > > > You are throwing way too much " light " into joytisha! Don't you want to leave some things for tomorrow.. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Lilly, > > > > > > > > I think you are 'running... " with a general statement that Prashant made! I do not think he was talking about *your* chart :-) > > > > > > > > The biggest problem with astrology and particularly with beginners is that they tend to run with it too literally! It does not work that way at all, regardless of the fact that even so called CLASSICS are full of sun in this sign or that house or in case of Saravali several combinations of planets in certain houses type readings! They simply do not work consistently if one takes the time to test those in many charts. > > > > > > > > If we use the rather uncommon common-sense (sorry if I am being a curmudgeon!) it would be very readily apparent that if Astrology was just about having a 'look-up' table where planets in signs or in houses or in nakshatra or navamsha etc were equivalent to capsules of reading -- then a very basic database software would be able to mete out the full readings! But this experiment has been conducted and failed! In fact one software actually made a heroic attempt to then translate and compost the logic (typo intenional) into a nice looking reading but very quickly withdrew it without even a change in the version number ;-) Those who spotted that did so by serendipity! > > > > > > > > Even if you take other pieces like Ashtakavarga and umpteen dashas, padas and what not, the stew definitely gets richer and perhaps tastier and way more nutritious than the planet in house planet in sign porridge (Daliya! Or shall we say Sattu?) but then that just makes it a dish and not a gourmet but nourishing feast for the body, mind and soul! > > > > > > > > No house can be built without basic material: bricks, wood, nails, screws, metal strips, stone, cement, mortar, grout, tiles, dry-wall (or equivalent in other countries), glass, blah blah blah! But then one must add the 'human touch' to convert a pile of construction material into a beautiful architectural creation! > > > > > > > > And architects/builders are not made in one day or one year and after reading one or two bricks! They waste a lot of material during practice before they can sit back and look at their design and construction and say, " AHHHHH...! " > > > > > > > > RR-, > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > > > > > > > > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > > > > > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > > > > > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > > > > > > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > > > > > > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > > > > > > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > > > > > > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > > > > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > /database?method=reportRows & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > > > > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Members. Plcement of Planets with reference to lagna in first seven signs of in visible half and the next seven commencing from7th(libra).Such understanding however comes with bahva chart and makes it meaningful for the struggles(through saturn) and achievements(through sun). Sun gets exalted in Aries,is the first house Aries(kalpurusha Chakra.where as saturn exalts in 7th house,the first sign of visible half of kalchakra.AS all we know 7th sign is libra. Thus it denotes saturn and Sun in mutual opposition denotes rise in life only to fall. Sun symbolising for ego is bound to be self centered and lopsided and not judiciously balanced. These views of Shri H.R.Shankar certainly helpful for our further deliberationsLot has been conjured about the atmakaraka.soul and father etc.in this thread.Sun as the soul probably carries a lot of significance in our language of planets/symbols. Shri H.R.Shankar in A.M(Aug 1986) mentioned " Status of the Soul,that has taken in this Life " . Accordingly position of the Sun is PIVOTAL POINT in Horoscope.......Lagna is the diurnal position of Sun Father (sun),the seed from which the life sprouts further: the kind of contribution each planet makes with reference to the Lagna or the soul detrmines whether it malefic or benific depending upon the manner in which (planets) help the soul to achieve it;s objective. These points of Shri H.R Shankar to ponder Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:35 PM  Lily as said by u also there r other factors that add or deduct the possible scene in case no accident combinations r not there no injuries similalry if sun is not in Asc or 4 or 6th over all health can be better. but as said these r stats with some research by some good astgros of the past golden era of astrologers e.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 ____________ _________ _________ __ Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > Tue, January 12, 2010 11:37:52 PM Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. Lilly , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ...> wrote: > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > a v good point-distinction > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > prashant > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > RR_, > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 If sun were unbalanced and lop-sided, dada, would Bode's law operate as it does and predicted non-identified/discovered planets? Unless the astrological sun that you talk and quote about is different from the sun that we wake up to and work under, most of us anyways? Long ago, I had an encounter with 'Sun-Factor', that plagues Jyotishis (sudarshan chakra types) and tropical astrologers! I have written about it earlier. In Eysenck and Nias' book on astrology and superstition there is an european study quoted that *examined* the correlation of tropical sunsigns and professions and the conclusion was: They do not correlate reliably! I was a student in India back then (mid-70s) working on my thesis, but felt motivated to challenge the psychologist that brought some interesting and important insights and tests about intelligence and so forth. My question was simple: " Did this study, Dr. Eysenck, look at the correlation between profession, sun sign and 10th house rulership of SUN in the individual charts? And did it consider the fact that a large number of astrologers in India would have placed the SUN in a different sign, because there is a sidereal zodiac! " The kind European gentleman, and an admirable and admired scholar in his field, did write back! When they (E and N) were researching for their book, they did not hear back from any Indian astrologer! Essentially, they did not take into consideration JYOTISH! I was frankly quite taken aback! I was under the impression that through all those lectures and visits to Europe and USA, Prof. BV Raman had made sure that the voice of Jyotish was well-known or at least heard in the west! Then I read about Alan Leo, his correspondence with the Raman Family and then the utilization of the DWADs (dwadashamsha) in Tropical astrology and the whole concept about Harmonics! I suppose we all are Human beings, even though we talk about the DIVINE as if they were just recently here to share a pot of tea with us earthly folks! Don't waste time educating just your neighbours! They already know or are too Jaded anyways! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Members. > Plcement of Planets with reference to lagna in first seven signs of in visible half and the next seven commencing from7th(libra).Such understanding however comes with bahva chart and makes it meaningful for the struggles(through saturn) and achievements(through sun). > Sun gets exalted in Aries,is the first house Aries(kalpurusha Chakra.where as saturn exalts in 7th house,the first sign of visible half of kalchakra.AS all we know 7th sign is libra. > Thus it denotes saturn and Sun in mutual opposition denotes rise in life only to fall. > Sun symbolising for ego is bound to be self centered and lopsided and not judiciously balanced. > These views of Shri H.R.Shankar certainly helpful for our further deliberationsLot has been conjured about the atmakaraka.soul and father etc.in this thread.Sun as the soul probably carries a lot of significance in our language of planets/symbols. > Shri H.R.Shankar in A.M(Aug 1986) mentioned " Status of the Soul,that has taken in this Life " . > Accordingly position of the Sun is PIVOTAL POINT in Horoscope.......Lagna is > the diurnal position of Sun > Father (sun),the seed from which the life sprouts > further: > the kind of contribution each planet makes with reference to the Lagna or the soul detrmines whether it malefic or benific depending upon the manner in which (planets) help the soul to achieve it;s objective. > These points of Shri H.R Shankar to ponder > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote: > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:35 PM > > >  > > > > Lily > > as said by u also there r other factors that add or deduct the possible scene in case no accident combinations r not there no injuries > > similalry if sun is not in Asc or 4 or 6th over all health can be better. > > but as said these r stats with some research by some good astgros of the past golden era of astrologers > > e.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 11:37:52 PM > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > Lilly > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > prashant > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2010 Report Share Posted January 13, 2010 Dear Dada, Occassions for interaction and involvelement arise as the discussion on the topic involved and the reference made used.At that point we do not understand or think of neighbours.winter times cup of tea is always is refreshing and that if one is not out of dungeons. 1.We can not ignore composition of internet forums.This thread being shared is " for of tea " Secondly 2.//already know or are too Jaded anyways!//Perhaps this is where concept of Ma helps and invigoartes for all of us to understand working of Other Nature. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Wed, 1/13/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 12:43 AM  If sun were unbalanced and lop-sided, dada, would Bode's law operate as it does and predicted non-identified/ discovered planets? Unless the astrological sun that you talk and quote about is different from the sun that we wake up to and work under, most of us anyways? Long ago, I had an encounter with 'Sun-Factor' , that plagues Jyotishis (sudarshan chakra types) and tropical astrologers! I have written about it earlier. In Eysenck and Nias' book on astrology and superstition there is an european study quoted that *examined* the correlation of tropical sunsigns and professions and the conclusion was: They do not correlate reliably! I was a student in India back then (mid-70s) working on my thesis, but felt motivated to challenge the psychologist that brought some interesting and important insights and tests about intelligence and so forth. My question was simple: " Did this study, Dr. Eysenck, look at the correlation between profession, sun sign and 10th house rulership of SUN in the individual charts? And did it consider the fact that a large number of astrologers in India would have placed the SUN in a different sign, because there is a sidereal zodiac! " The kind European gentleman, and an admirable and admired scholar in his field, did write back! When they (E and N) were researching for their book, they did not hear back from any Indian astrologer! Essentially, they did not take into consideration JYOTISH! I was frankly quite taken aback! I was under the impression that through all those lectures and visits to Europe and USA, Prof. BV Raman had made sure that the voice of Jyotish was well-known or at least heard in the west! Then I read about Alan Leo, his correspondence with the Raman Family and then the utilization of the DWADs (dwadashamsha) in Tropical astrology and the whole concept about Harmonics! I suppose we all are Human beings, even though we talk about the DIVINE as if they were just recently here to share a pot of tea with us earthly folks! Don't waste time educating just your neighbours! They already know or are too Jaded anyways! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members. > Plcement of Planets with reference to lagna in first seven signs of in visible half and the next seven commencing from7th(libra) .Such understanding however comes with bahva chart and makes it meaningful for the struggles(through saturn) and achievements( through sun). > Sun gets exalted in Aries,is the first house Aries(kalpurusha Chakra.where as saturn exalts in 7th house,the first sign of visible half of kalchakra..AS all we know 7th sign is libra. > Thus it denotes saturn and Sun in mutual opposition denotes rise in life only to fall. > Sun symbolising for ego is bound to be self centered and lopsided and not judiciously balanced. > These views of Shri H.R.Shankar certainly helpful for our further deliberationsLot has been conjured about the atmakaraka.soul and father etc.in this thread.Sun as the soul probably carries a lot of significance in our language of planets/symbols. > Shri H.R.Shankar in A.M(Aug 1986) mentioned " Status of the Soul,that has taken in this Life " . > Accordingly position of the Sun is PIVOTAL POINT in Horoscope... ....Lagna is > the diurnal position of Sun > Father (sun),the seed from which the life sprouts > further: > the kind of contribution each planet makes with reference to the Lagna or the soul detrmines whether it malefic or benific depending upon the manner in which (planets) help the soul to achieve it;s objective. > These points of Shri H.R Shankar to ponder > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> wrote: > > > Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@. ..> > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:35 PM > > >  > > > > Lily > > as said by u also there r other factors that add or deduct the possible scene in case no accident combinations r not there no injuries > > similalry if sun is not in Asc or 4 or 6th over all health can be better. > > but as said these r stats with some research by some good astgros of the past golden era of astrologers > > e.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 11:37:52 PM > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > //invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another// > > Well, So far I have neither had any fracture, or any bone disorders(knock on wood!)..However, I do occasionally get muscle spasms/back pains(poor posture), headaches etc. > I have always lived with my father for most of my live, and still do! Never lived in a hostel, or with relatives, except in my childhood we had a joined family with grandparents, aunts, uncles and everyone around. > Relationship is a two way street and there is always a limit to how much responsibilities a man can take..When a man has to provide for his family and at the same time also play a dual role of both mother and father some areas of life is bound to suffer. > > Lilly > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear RRji, Lilly > > > > a v good point-distinction > > > > ravi+sani [sun+satn] aspect, conjunction anywhere does add to such a situation as u have hinted and Lilly must note the same too as they r enemies though father-sun in the Graha kutumba[ the celestial bodies family] > > > > invariable this combination does give fracture or bone disorders as well apart from poor relationship with father at times if good may live apart say in hostals, relatives, friends or professionally they will be made to stay away from one another > > > > a case in point 22/2/59, 6.35 am, chennai > > > > father lived in Gulf for 17 yrs and overall relationship is v good between the father son. > > here sun +merc r inAsc and he seperated from his wife after putting a lot of effort in saving his marriage when it went beyond his toleanc limits a very calm, composed gentleman. > > > > prashant > > > > - G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 5:31:49 PM > > Re: Sun's Placement ! 12/1 > > > > > > Find a chart which has the same ascendant as you with sun in 4th but saturn not in cancer but elsewhere not making any association with sun and compare notes about that person's relationship with his or her father :-) > > > > RR_, > > > > , " Lilly " <tigresslilly2005@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > //this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp in the late 80's// > > > > > > Do you happen to have a link to any of those articles by any chance Prashant Ji? > > > > > > Well, I happen to have Sun(representing father) in 4H and can tell you it does cause some discomfort sitting in technically a mother's house.. I have a great father who does love me unconditionally, but we really seem to be at odds with each other sometimes. > > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > , Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lilly, > > > > > > > > u have already answered ur own question in many ways. > > > > > > > > as the leader of the Solar system sun has the key role in effects the other planets in the system deliver/influence > > > > > > > > say as Atmakaraka, as the Atman [soul of the chart] shows inheritance, inherited disorders like cardiac, respiratory, ones > > > > the if there is a family line of activity then it shows the sun placed in trines to fatgher/son or quadrants in most cases and successful enterprises/ professions cold have it stronger in the 9-11 in their charts with good Dig, shad balas > > > > > > > > and as u said with other combinations, influences can add/deduct the results of other bhavas > > > > > > > > Sun in the st gives a weak constitution and with Budha sttisticall if other factors prevail one gives up their spouse and if Merc [bidha+ravi [sun] in the 7th the spouse seperates due to divorcenatural reasons like health/death etc. > > > > > > > > all malefics in 3,6,10,11 are ver good and sun is n o exception in other places does reduces the effects of the houses > > > > > > > > say 4th one rarely is comfortable with father, paternal relatives [as 4th represents the mother and her circles so is a odd entity there] > > > > > > > > this theory has been researched by H R SHANKAR in astrological magazines over the years esp inthe late 80's > > > > > > > > prashant > > > > > > > > I use B V Raman's Ayanamsa only so Dasa, Vargas, Dates will differ from non Raman's. Pl provide important dates in ur life while posting to verify ur birth data and to help Lagna verification provide a picture in the Pictures folder in the group either in the Lagna/rasi one or unknown folder.. Consultations outside the group or to my personal ID are chargeable. see Database section in the group for more.- G B Prashant Kumar Life Member ICAS. > > > > http://groups. / group/Jyotish_ Remedies/ database? method=reportRow s & tbl=6 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > Lilly <tigresslilly2005@ > > > > > > > > > Tue, January 12, 2010 7:56:57 AM > > > > Sun's Placement ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Astrology 101 tells us that Sun's placement in a birth chart is extremely important in determining a person's direction in life. > > > > From what I remember I think it does quite well in 10th house( not too sure about the other houses). > > > > Although considered a mild malefic, is actually an " auspicious " planet. > > > > The Sun, as the natural atmakarma or soul, gives life force, the power of will, intellect, brilliance, prosperity, success in worldly affairs, wealth and many other wonderful things. > > > > However, it is also known that the Sun " burns " and " purifies " the house he sits in. We already had a discussion earlier of how it may cause divorce/ separation in 7H(of course the whole chart has to be assessed to get an accurate picture). > > > > Can any member throw some " light " into how exactly does the " burn " and " purifying " works in a chart? > > > > > > > > Lilly > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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