Guest guest Report post Posted November 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Well... it sounded a bit personal I admit - jsut sounded, though. I was > > > > > thinking in general impersonal terms. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > The unborn is utterly impersonal. > > > > > > > > And thus, the born, the personal, turns out to be impersonal. > > > > > > > > Although it may look very personal at first. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > Within the born - which is impersonal - runs a stream of personification, of > > > > illusion as separateness > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Yes, definitive separation as factually real is illusion. > > > > > > Not tricked by illusion: even the illusion isn't arising in separation. > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > why answer? > > > > you evidently have been tricked. > > > > illusion for whom? > > > > illusion by whom? > > > > you seem to be separated from the Actual. > > > > and remarkably you believe that you can separate yourself.. > > > > from THAT and make a cogent comment. > > > > indeed.. > > > > you have been flim-flammed.. > > > > by an illusion of an illusion (self). > > > > as always. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > No'one' has been flim-falmmed by an illusion. > The sense of self IS the illusion. toombaru that (the equivalency of self-sense and illusion).. is also mere illusion. don't depend on your own opinion. i thought this might draw you out. but i didn't count on it. because that was just my opinion. don't trust anything. even not trusting is an illusion. there is no one to either trust or to not trust.. and there is nothing to which either " action " could refer to. trust and non-trust are for suckers... who among phantoms believe that they have choice. silly stuff indeed. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Well... it sounded a bit personal I admit - jsut sounded, though. I was > > > > > thinking in general impersonal terms. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > The unborn is utterly impersonal. > > > > > > > > And thus, the born, the personal, turns out to be impersonal. > > > > > > > > Although it may look very personal at first. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > Within the born - which is impersonal - runs a stream of personification, of > > > > illusion as separateness > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Yes, definitive separation as factually real is illusion. > > > > > > Not tricked by illusion: even the illusion isn't arising in separation. > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > why answer? > > > > you evidently have been tricked. > > > > illusion for whom? > > > > illusion by whom? > > > > you seem to be separated from the Actual. > > > > and remarkably you believe that you can separate yourself.. > > > > from THAT and make a cogent comment. > > > > indeed.. > > > > you have been flim-flammed.. > > > > by an illusion of an illusion (self). > > > > as always. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > No'one' has been flim-falmmed by an illusion. > The sense of self IS the illusion. toombaru > In your dreams! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 23, 2009 - BobN Nisargadatta Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:01 PM Re: The Absolute Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > ...by " Infection " It is become Awareness. > -bbb- > > What do you mean? > -geo- i grow old and weary but will here uselessly try and explain: like " feeling " the pulse of a strong electric current.. in the mere act of being located near (in terms of " physical space " ).. a strong electrical source... it is then that a " Force " is known as a " flowing through " .. similar in kind to the sense of flowing waters.. rippling through the " body " and yet never (at the " time " ) does any actual.. " joining " or " contacting " occur. like the transmission of a " disease " without actual " touching " it is by somewhat similar " means " .. that knowledge of Identity as THAT become Recognized. and the two are then ONE. This is a peculiar Understanding. it Arises without " person " . a common mistake made in higher mediation or thought.. is the seeking for a subtle object of Recognition.. i.e: something that could be experienced. This is not the situation nor Condition.. this Adumbration of Divinity.. Aligns with a sense of simply tremendous Authority Life grows darker as we " go on " . till only one " Vestal Light " is left shining. and that is Faith in Certitude. THIS is neither Bliss nor Agony. the closest wording that may be employed regarding It.. (in terms of Quality)..is " Satisfaction " . yet it is High Indifference of an Order beyond human ken. HERE...even Satisfaction is dropped as a sort of need or desire. Old age..like solitude and sorrow..has...Revelation. and aging..age and or " dotage " .. are not one of the beauties of " Creation " .. however...the Case (of aging).. is most definitely one of Initial Conception's " Harmonies " . Jubilation!. i attend now therefore to the words of Madame Anne Sophie Swetchine: " Poor humanity! - so dependent..so insignificant..and yet so great! " Wonderful Wonderful!.. and before all birthrights. IT is THIS. ..b b.b. I see....I thought " Infection " implyed malignant desiese. In fact you and the electricity are the same...as all. Each AS its own nature. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:01 PM > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > ...by " Infection " It is become Awareness. > > -bbb- > > > > What do you mean? > > -geo- > > i grow old and weary but will here uselessly try and explain: > > like " feeling " the pulse of a strong electric current.. > > in the mere act of being located near (in terms of " physical space " ).. > > a strong electrical source... > > it is then that a " Force " is known as a " flowing through " .. > > similar in kind to the sense of flowing waters.. > > rippling through the " body " > > and yet never (at the " time " ) does any actual.. > > " joining " or " contacting " occur. > > like the transmission of a " disease " without actual " touching " > > it is by somewhat similar " means " .. > > that knowledge of Identity as THAT become Recognized. > > and the two are then ONE. > > This is a peculiar Understanding. > > it Arises without " person " . > > a common mistake made in higher mediation or thought.. > > is the seeking for a subtle object of Recognition.. > > i.e: something that could be experienced. > > This is not the situation nor Condition.. > > this Adumbration of Divinity.. > > Aligns with a sense of simply tremendous Authority > > Life grows darker as we " go on " . > > till only one " Vestal Light " is left shining. > > and that is Faith in Certitude. > > THIS is neither Bliss nor Agony. > > the closest wording that may be employed regarding It.. > > (in terms of Quality)..is " Satisfaction " . > > yet it is High Indifference of an Order beyond human ken. > > HERE...even Satisfaction is dropped as a sort of need or desire. > > Old age..like solitude and sorrow..has...Revelation. > > and aging..age and or " dotage " .. > > are not one of the beauties of " Creation " .. > > however...the Case (of aging).. > > is most definitely one of Initial Conception's " Harmonies " . > > Jubilation!. > > i attend now therefore to the words of Madame Anne Sophie Swetchine: > > " Poor humanity! - so dependent..so insignificant..and yet so great! " > > Wonderful Wonderful!.. and before all birthrights. > > IT is THIS. > > .b b.b. > No it isn't. IT moved since you so eloquently point at it. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru > Nisargadatta > Monday, November 23, 2009 4:47 PM > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:01 PM > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > ...by " Infection " It is become Awareness. > > > -bbb- > > > > > > What do you mean? > > > -geo- > > > > i grow old and weary but will here uselessly try and explain: > > > > like " feeling " the pulse of a strong electric current.. > > > > in the mere act of being located near (in terms of " physical space " ).. > > > > a strong electrical source... > > > > it is then that a " Force " is known as a " flowing through " .. > > > > similar in kind to the sense of flowing waters.. > > > > rippling through the " body " > > > > and yet never (at the " time " ) does any actual.. > > > > " joining " or " contacting " occur. > > > > like the transmission of a " disease " without actual " touching " > > > > it is by somewhat similar " means " .. > > > > that knowledge of Identity as THAT become Recognized. > > > > and the two are then ONE. > > > > This is a peculiar Understanding. > > > > it Arises without " person " . > > > > a common mistake made in higher mediation or thought.. > > > > is the seeking for a subtle object of Recognition.. > > > > i.e: something that could be experienced. > > > > This is not the situation nor Condition.. > > > > this Adumbration of Divinity.. > > > > Aligns with a sense of simply tremendous Authority > > > > Life grows darker as we " go on " . > > > > till only one " Vestal Light " is left shining. > > > > and that is Faith in Certitude. > > > > THIS is neither Bliss nor Agony. > > > > the closest wording that may be employed regarding It.. > > > > (in terms of Quality)..is " Satisfaction " . > > > > yet it is High Indifference of an Order beyond human ken. > > > > HERE...even Satisfaction is dropped as a sort of need or desire. > > > > Old age..like solitude and sorrow..has...Revelation. > > > > and aging..age and or " dotage " .. > > > > are not one of the beauties of " Creation " .. > > > > however...the Case (of aging).. > > > > is most definitely one of Initial Conception's " Harmonies " . > > > > Jubilation!. > > > > i attend now therefore to the words of Madame Anne Sophie Swetchine: > > > > " Poor humanity! - so dependent..so insignificant..and yet so great! " > > > > Wonderful Wonderful!.. and before all birthrights. > > > > IT is THIS. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > No it isn't. > IT moved since you so eloquently point at it. > > toombaru > > THIS is unmovable. How could it....it is immeasurable, non-apparent, the > very reason of all movement. What moves incessantly is consciousness. > -geo- > And you imagine that you have access to something outside of consciousness? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:01 PM > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > ...by " Infection " It is become Awareness. > > > -bbb- > > > > > > What do you mean? > > > -geo- > > > > i grow old and weary but will here uselessly try and explain: > > > > like " feeling " the pulse of a strong electric current.. > > > > in the mere act of being located near (in terms of " physical space " ).. > > > > a strong electrical source... > > > > it is then that a " Force " is known as a " flowing through " .. > > > > similar in kind to the sense of flowing waters.. > > > > rippling through the " body " > > > > and yet never (at the " time " ) does any actual.. > > > > " joining " or " contacting " occur. > > > > like the transmission of a " disease " without actual " touching " > > > > it is by somewhat similar " means " .. > > > > that knowledge of Identity as THAT become Recognized. > > > > and the two are then ONE. > > > > This is a peculiar Understanding. > > > > it Arises without " person " . > > > > a common mistake made in higher mediation or thought.. > > > > is the seeking for a subtle object of Recognition.. > > > > i.e: something that could be experienced. > > > > This is not the situation nor Condition.. > > > > this Adumbration of Divinity.. > > > > Aligns with a sense of simply tremendous Authority > > > > Life grows darker as we " go on " . > > > > till only one " Vestal Light " is left shining. > > > > and that is Faith in Certitude. > > > > THIS is neither Bliss nor Agony. > > > > the closest wording that may be employed regarding It.. > > > > (in terms of Quality)..is " Satisfaction " . > > > > yet it is High Indifference of an Order beyond human ken. > > > > HERE...even Satisfaction is dropped as a sort of need or desire. > > > > Old age..like solitude and sorrow..has...Revelation. > > > > and aging..age and or " dotage " .. > > > > are not one of the beauties of " Creation " .. > > > > however...the Case (of aging).. > > > > is most definitely one of Initial Conception's " Harmonies " . > > > > Jubilation!. > > > > i attend now therefore to the words of Madame Anne Sophie Swetchine: > > > > " Poor humanity! - so dependent..so insignificant..and yet so great! " > > > > Wonderful Wonderful!.. and before all birthrights. > > > > IT is THIS. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > No it isn't. > IT moved since you so eloquently point at it. > > > > > > toombaru i do not desire to disagree. in particular i do not wish to disagree for disagreement's sake. but in truth i must. IT is before and beyond all concepts or manifestations of: space....time....mass....energy. " movement " is a quality demanding all of the above. i.e. it requires a space to move within.. it require time to effect that motion.. it requires a mass that is in consideration.. (even if that is a non-mass photon..or subatomic " particle'.. of any kind or conception: quark..string..neutrino etc.)... and of course an " energy of some sort to " cause and carry out " . the notion of " field " perhaps comes closest to.. that gray area of " somethingness " .. that you perhaps are trying to indicate. but even in this realm of conceptual nuance.. it must be... and by physicists already is conceded.. that " motionlessness " MUST be considered as.. an " absentee " property.. one that defines the apparent nature of same. that is to say that the field or " IT " must be seen as.. empty of any lineament of motion..space et.al. therefore and thereby " IT " is the Unmoved.. but also IT is THAT which allows and precipitates.. any and all movement or substance of any disposition. i think we are both indicating in different ways the same same. it can perhaps be allowed then.. that in truth the pointing is not other then the pointed towards. this is intriguing in that it makes finished.. the entire faulty notion of mistaking.. the moon for the finger pointing.. it's a neat little " teaching " device but one without an finality. let us then be done with it. for here...where we often stand as One.. there is no need for pointers or fingers or moons. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 23, 2009 - toombaru Nisargadatta Monday, November 23, 2009 4:47 PM Re: The Absolute Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > BobN > Nisargadatta > Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:01 PM > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > ...by " Infection " It is become Awareness. > > -bbb- > > > > What do you mean? > > -geo- > > i grow old and weary but will here uselessly try and explain: > > like " feeling " the pulse of a strong electric current.. > > in the mere act of being located near (in terms of " physical space " ).. > > a strong electrical source... > > it is then that a " Force " is known as a " flowing through " .. > > similar in kind to the sense of flowing waters.. > > rippling through the " body " > > and yet never (at the " time " ) does any actual.. > > " joining " or " contacting " occur. > > like the transmission of a " disease " without actual " touching " > > it is by somewhat similar " means " .. > > that knowledge of Identity as THAT become Recognized. > > and the two are then ONE. > > This is a peculiar Understanding. > > it Arises without " person " . > > a common mistake made in higher mediation or thought.. > > is the seeking for a subtle object of Recognition.. > > i.e: something that could be experienced. > > This is not the situation nor Condition.. > > this Adumbration of Divinity.. > > Aligns with a sense of simply tremendous Authority > > Life grows darker as we " go on " . > > till only one " Vestal Light " is left shining. > > and that is Faith in Certitude. > > THIS is neither Bliss nor Agony. > > the closest wording that may be employed regarding It.. > > (in terms of Quality)..is " Satisfaction " . > > yet it is High Indifference of an Order beyond human ken. > > HERE...even Satisfaction is dropped as a sort of need or desire. > > Old age..like solitude and sorrow..has...Revelation. > > and aging..age and or " dotage " .. > > are not one of the beauties of " Creation " .. > > however...the Case (of aging).. > > is most definitely one of Initial Conception's " Harmonies " . > > Jubilation!. > > i attend now therefore to the words of Madame Anne Sophie Swetchine: > > " Poor humanity! - so dependent..so insignificant..and yet so great! " > > Wonderful Wonderful!.. and before all birthrights. > > IT is THIS. > > .b b.b. > No it isn't. IT moved since you so eloquently point at it. toombaru THIS is unmovable. How could it....it is immeasurable, non-apparent, the very reason of all movement. What moves incessantly is consciousness. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 23, 2009 - toombaru Nisargadatta Monday, November 23, 2009 5:15 PM Re: The Absolute Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru > Nisargadatta > Monday, November 23, 2009 4:47 PM > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:01 PM > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > ...by " Infection " It is become Awareness. > > > -bbb- > > > > > > What do you mean? > > > -geo- > > > > i grow old and weary but will here uselessly try and explain: > > > > like " feeling " the pulse of a strong electric current.. > > > > in the mere act of being located near (in terms of " physical space " ).. > > > > a strong electrical source... > > > > it is then that a " Force " is known as a " flowing through " .. > > > > similar in kind to the sense of flowing waters.. > > > > rippling through the " body " > > > > and yet never (at the " time " ) does any actual.. > > > > " joining " or " contacting " occur. > > > > like the transmission of a " disease " without actual " touching " > > > > it is by somewhat similar " means " .. > > > > that knowledge of Identity as THAT become Recognized. > > > > and the two are then ONE. > > > > This is a peculiar Understanding. > > > > it Arises without " person " . > > > > a common mistake made in higher mediation or thought.. > > > > is the seeking for a subtle object of Recognition.. > > > > i.e: something that could be experienced. > > > > This is not the situation nor Condition.. > > > > this Adumbration of Divinity.. > > > > Aligns with a sense of simply tremendous Authority > > > > Life grows darker as we " go on " . > > > > till only one " Vestal Light " is left shining. > > > > and that is Faith in Certitude. > > > > THIS is neither Bliss nor Agony. > > > > the closest wording that may be employed regarding It.. > > > > (in terms of Quality)..is " Satisfaction " . > > > > yet it is High Indifference of an Order beyond human ken. > > > > HERE...even Satisfaction is dropped as a sort of need or desire. > > > > Old age..like solitude and sorrow..has...Revelation. > > > > and aging..age and or " dotage " .. > > > > are not one of the beauties of " Creation " .. > > > > however...the Case (of aging).. > > > > is most definitely one of Initial Conception's " Harmonies " . > > > > Jubilation!. > > > > i attend now therefore to the words of Madame Anne Sophie Swetchine: > > > > " Poor humanity! - so dependent..so insignificant..and yet so great! " > > > > Wonderful Wonderful!.. and before all birthrights. > > > > IT is THIS. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > No it isn't. > IT moved since you so eloquently point at it. > > toombaru > > THIS is unmovable. How could it....it is immeasurable, non-apparent, the > very reason of all movement. What moves incessantly is consciousness. > -geo- > And you imagine that you have access to something outside of consciousness? toombaru Access?? Me?? No. It is being....dont you see? Consciousness is like a luminous bubble.....but it is being illumined. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, November 23, 2009 4:47 PM > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > BobN > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:01 PM > > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ...by " Infection " It is become Awareness. > > > > -bbb- > > > > > > > > What do you mean? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > i grow old and weary but will here uselessly try and explain: > > > > > > like " feeling " the pulse of a strong electric current.. > > > > > > in the mere act of being located near (in terms of " physical space " ).. > > > > > > a strong electrical source... > > > > > > it is then that a " Force " is known as a " flowing through " .. > > > > > > similar in kind to the sense of flowing waters.. > > > > > > rippling through the " body " > > > > > > and yet never (at the " time " ) does any actual.. > > > > > > " joining " or " contacting " occur. > > > > > > like the transmission of a " disease " without actual " touching " > > > > > > it is by somewhat similar " means " .. > > > > > > that knowledge of Identity as THAT become Recognized. > > > > > > and the two are then ONE. > > > > > > This is a peculiar Understanding. > > > > > > it Arises without " person " . > > > > > > a common mistake made in higher mediation or thought.. > > > > > > is the seeking for a subtle object of Recognition.. > > > > > > i.e: something that could be experienced. > > > > > > This is not the situation nor Condition.. > > > > > > this Adumbration of Divinity.. > > > > > > Aligns with a sense of simply tremendous Authority > > > > > > Life grows darker as we " go on " . > > > > > > till only one " Vestal Light " is left shining. > > > > > > and that is Faith in Certitude. > > > > > > THIS is neither Bliss nor Agony. > > > > > > the closest wording that may be employed regarding It.. > > > > > > (in terms of Quality)..is " Satisfaction " . > > > > > > yet it is High Indifference of an Order beyond human ken. > > > > > > HERE...even Satisfaction is dropped as a sort of need or desire. > > > > > > Old age..like solitude and sorrow..has...Revelation. > > > > > > and aging..age and or " dotage " .. > > > > > > are not one of the beauties of " Creation " .. > > > > > > however...the Case (of aging).. > > > > > > is most definitely one of Initial Conception's " Harmonies " . > > > > > > Jubilation!. > > > > > > i attend now therefore to the words of Madame Anne Sophie Swetchine: > > > > > > " Poor humanity! - so dependent..so insignificant..and yet so great! " > > > > > > Wonderful Wonderful!.. and before all birthrights. > > > > > > IT is THIS. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > No it isn't. > > IT moved since you so eloquently point at it. > > > > toombaru > > > > THIS is unmovable. How could it....it is immeasurable, non-apparent, the > > very reason of all movement. What moves incessantly is consciousness. > > -geo- > > > > > > And you imagine that you have access to something outside of consciousness? > > > > toombaru " Something? " A separate perceiver that has access to a " thing? " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:06 AM Re: The Absolute Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru > > Nisargadatta > > Monday, November 23, 2009 4:47 PM > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > BobN > > > Nisargadatta > > > Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:01 PM > > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ...by " Infection " It is become Awareness. > > > > -bbb- > > > > > > > > What do you mean? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > i grow old and weary but will here uselessly try and explain: > > > > > > like " feeling " the pulse of a strong electric current.. > > > > > > in the mere act of being located near (in terms of " physical space " ).. > > > > > > a strong electrical source... > > > > > > it is then that a " Force " is known as a " flowing through " .. > > > > > > similar in kind to the sense of flowing waters.. > > > > > > rippling through the " body " > > > > > > and yet never (at the " time " ) does any actual.. > > > > > > " joining " or " contacting " occur. > > > > > > like the transmission of a " disease " without actual " touching " > > > > > > it is by somewhat similar " means " .. > > > > > > that knowledge of Identity as THAT become Recognized. > > > > > > and the two are then ONE. > > > > > > This is a peculiar Understanding. > > > > > > it Arises without " person " . > > > > > > a common mistake made in higher mediation or thought.. > > > > > > is the seeking for a subtle object of Recognition.. > > > > > > i.e: something that could be experienced. > > > > > > This is not the situation nor Condition.. > > > > > > this Adumbration of Divinity.. > > > > > > Aligns with a sense of simply tremendous Authority > > > > > > Life grows darker as we " go on " . > > > > > > till only one " Vestal Light " is left shining. > > > > > > and that is Faith in Certitude. > > > > > > THIS is neither Bliss nor Agony. > > > > > > the closest wording that may be employed regarding It.. > > > > > > (in terms of Quality)..is " Satisfaction " . > > > > > > yet it is High Indifference of an Order beyond human ken. > > > > > > HERE...even Satisfaction is dropped as a sort of need or desire. > > > > > > Old age..like solitude and sorrow..has...Revelation. > > > > > > and aging..age and or " dotage " .. > > > > > > are not one of the beauties of " Creation " .. > > > > > > however...the Case (of aging).. > > > > > > is most definitely one of Initial Conception's " Harmonies " . > > > > > > Jubilation!. > > > > > > i attend now therefore to the words of Madame Anne Sophie Swetchine: > > > > > > " Poor humanity! - so dependent..so insignificant..and yet so great! " > > > > > > Wonderful Wonderful!.. and before all birthrights. > > > > > > IT is THIS. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > No it isn't. > > IT moved since you so eloquently point at it. > > > > toombaru > > > > THIS is unmovable. How could it....it is immeasurable, non-apparent, the > > very reason of all movement. What moves incessantly is consciousness. > > -geo- > > > > > > And you imagine that you have access to something outside of > consciousness? > > > > toombaru " Something? " A separate perceiver that has access to a " thing? " -tim- Toomba thinks the ground is some kind of a projection " outside " of himself that is everchanging. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:06 AM > Re: The Absolute > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 4:47 PM > > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > BobN > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:01 PM > > > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ...by " Infection " It is become Awareness. > > > > > -bbb- > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > i grow old and weary but will here uselessly try and explain: > > > > > > > > like " feeling " the pulse of a strong electric current.. > > > > > > > > in the mere act of being located near (in terms of " physical space " ).. > > > > > > > > a strong electrical source... > > > > > > > > it is then that a " Force " is known as a " flowing through " .. > > > > > > > > similar in kind to the sense of flowing waters.. > > > > > > > > rippling through the " body " > > > > > > > > and yet never (at the " time " ) does any actual.. > > > > > > > > " joining " or " contacting " occur. > > > > > > > > like the transmission of a " disease " without actual " touching " > > > > > > > > it is by somewhat similar " means " .. > > > > > > > > that knowledge of Identity as THAT become Recognized. > > > > > > > > and the two are then ONE. > > > > > > > > This is a peculiar Understanding. > > > > > > > > it Arises without " person " . > > > > > > > > a common mistake made in higher mediation or thought.. > > > > > > > > is the seeking for a subtle object of Recognition.. > > > > > > > > i.e: something that could be experienced. > > > > > > > > This is not the situation nor Condition.. > > > > > > > > this Adumbration of Divinity.. > > > > > > > > Aligns with a sense of simply tremendous Authority > > > > > > > > Life grows darker as we " go on " . > > > > > > > > till only one " Vestal Light " is left shining. > > > > > > > > and that is Faith in Certitude. > > > > > > > > THIS is neither Bliss nor Agony. > > > > > > > > the closest wording that may be employed regarding It.. > > > > > > > > (in terms of Quality)..is " Satisfaction " . > > > > > > > > yet it is High Indifference of an Order beyond human ken. > > > > > > > > HERE...even Satisfaction is dropped as a sort of need or desire. > > > > > > > > Old age..like solitude and sorrow..has...Revelation. > > > > > > > > and aging..age and or " dotage " .. > > > > > > > > are not one of the beauties of " Creation " .. > > > > > > > > however...the Case (of aging).. > > > > > > > > is most definitely one of Initial Conception's " Harmonies " . > > > > > > > > Jubilation!. > > > > > > > > i attend now therefore to the words of Madame Anne Sophie Swetchine: > > > > > > > > " Poor humanity! - so dependent..so insignificant..and yet so great! " > > > > > > > > Wonderful Wonderful!.. and before all birthrights. > > > > > > > > IT is THIS. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > No it isn't. > > > IT moved since you so eloquently point at it. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > THIS is unmovable. How could it....it is immeasurable, non-apparent, the > > > very reason of all movement. What moves incessantly is consciousness. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > And you imagine that you have access to something outside of > > consciousness? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > " Something? " > > A separate perceiver that has access to a " thing? " > -tim- > > Toomba thinks the ground is some kind of a projection " outside " of himself > that is everchanging. > -geo- Clearly, as he keeps referencing 'you'... " ewe, ewe, ewe " . As if a " me " weren't required to access a " you " . As if he imagined he had access to something outside consciousness ('you'). Pretty amazing, eh? ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2009 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Tuesday, November 24, 2009 7:01 AM Re: The Absolute Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:06 AM > Re: The Absolute > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru > > > Nisargadatta > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 4:47 PM > > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > BobN > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:01 PM > > > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ...by " Infection " It is become Awareness. > > > > > -bbb- > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > i grow old and weary but will here uselessly try and explain: > > > > > > > > like " feeling " the pulse of a strong electric current.. > > > > > > > > in the mere act of being located near (in terms of " physical > > > > space " ).. > > > > > > > > a strong electrical source... > > > > > > > > it is then that a " Force " is known as a " flowing through " .. > > > > > > > > similar in kind to the sense of flowing waters.. > > > > > > > > rippling through the " body " > > > > > > > > and yet never (at the " time " ) does any actual.. > > > > > > > > " joining " or " contacting " occur. > > > > > > > > like the transmission of a " disease " without actual " touching " > > > > > > > > it is by somewhat similar " means " .. > > > > > > > > that knowledge of Identity as THAT become Recognized. > > > > > > > > and the two are then ONE. > > > > > > > > This is a peculiar Understanding. > > > > > > > > it Arises without " person " . > > > > > > > > a common mistake made in higher mediation or thought.. > > > > > > > > is the seeking for a subtle object of Recognition.. > > > > > > > > i.e: something that could be experienced. > > > > > > > > This is not the situation nor Condition.. > > > > > > > > this Adumbration of Divinity.. > > > > > > > > Aligns with a sense of simply tremendous Authority > > > > > > > > Life grows darker as we " go on " . > > > > > > > > till only one " Vestal Light " is left shining. > > > > > > > > and that is Faith in Certitude. > > > > > > > > THIS is neither Bliss nor Agony. > > > > > > > > the closest wording that may be employed regarding It.. > > > > > > > > (in terms of Quality)..is " Satisfaction " . > > > > > > > > yet it is High Indifference of an Order beyond human ken. > > > > > > > > HERE...even Satisfaction is dropped as a sort of need or desire. > > > > > > > > Old age..like solitude and sorrow..has...Revelation. > > > > > > > > and aging..age and or " dotage " .. > > > > > > > > are not one of the beauties of " Creation " .. > > > > > > > > however...the Case (of aging).. > > > > > > > > is most definitely one of Initial Conception's " Harmonies " . > > > > > > > > Jubilation!. > > > > > > > > i attend now therefore to the words of Madame Anne Sophie Swetchine: > > > > > > > > " Poor humanity! - so dependent..so insignificant..and yet so great! " > > > > > > > > Wonderful Wonderful!.. and before all birthrights. > > > > > > > > IT is THIS. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > No it isn't. > > > IT moved since you so eloquently point at it. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > THIS is unmovable. How could it....it is immeasurable, non-apparent, > > > the > > > very reason of all movement. What moves incessantly is consciousness. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > And you imagine that you have access to something outside of > > consciousness? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > " Something? " > > A separate perceiver that has access to a " thing? " > -tim- > > Toomba thinks the ground is some kind of a projection " outside " of himself > that is everchanging. > -geo- Clearly, as he keeps referencing 'you'... " ewe, ewe, ewe " . As if a " me " weren't required to access a " you " . -tim- The problem with this kind of approach is that you are also talking about some " he " . Also... we have to use a me, or a you, or a he, in order to talk normally. -geo- As if he imagined he had access to something outside consciousness ('you'). Pretty amazing, eh? ;-). -tim- Well...this is a bit confusing. There is no need to address something outside of consciousness at all to project a " you " different from " me " . In fact that is the main parameter of it. At least there is a powerful stream of separateness in consciousness. Unless I am not reading well... (could be) -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > BobN > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:19 PM > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Tim G. > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:25 PM > > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think...ramesh, wine liquormen, pete, toombaru...and some > > > > others...There > > > > are those who strive to fit " non-duality " into the one movement they > > > > call > > > > consciousness. It somehow works out.....but it lacks the essence > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Yes, 'all is consciousness' makes little sense, unless one is trying to > > > say > > > " there isn't such a thing as objectivity " (which is true). > > > > > > I used to joke on my old " Fewtchykrishnamurti " list that " All is > > > Consciousness " is something they teach to anesthesiologists, to help them > > > wake people up after surgery ;-). > > > = > > > Ha...yea. I admit that I was there at one time. It really cleans some - or > > > most - of the mess. One is able to say there is only THIS. But if one is > > > honest and tries to " understand " /contemplate/meditate the nature of this > > > what is....the observer/observed thing becomes strange. It is a thing > > > observeing itself...and then one MUST say that they are one. It is subtle > > > and not so - at the same time. In fact one MUST " BE " in order to land.. > > > :>) > > > -geo- > > > > what could be " strange " in a natural state? > > > > " being " and " non-being " are irrelevant here. > > > > This is the most " raw " and " innate " condition of all conditions. > > > > It is the truly Unconditional of any and all possible condition. > > > > It is (at it's most natural) a " being there " as " Identity " .. > > > > without " other " or " self " .. > > > > nor is This with recognition of possession or absence of same. > > > > This is Truth. > > > > but it's not possible to explain. > > > > by " Infection " It is become Awareness. > > > > No one is outside nor inside This. > > > > all talk falls flat. > > > > but..what the hell else can be done? > > > > Nothing is as Nothing does.. > > > > and It does nothing. > > > > Hark the Herald Angels sing! > > > > for This is Witness and the Bringer of Great Joy! > > > > it's a beginning of sorts... as it were. > > > > Rejoice! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > GOOOOOD MORNING VIETNAAAAMM!!!!! > > What can I say. Wanna bet? Nelson Piquet Jr is lining up in the next years > > grid. What a bunch of hypocrites!!! > > -geo- > > > hypocrites always come in bunches. > > in fact.. > > without " bunches " .. > > the notion of being hypocritical would have no meaning. -How lonely are you, must you be, believing that sort of crap... Lttl Mn > > now here we have something strange. > > since all is One..including " bunches'.. > > we have a self defying parody in that notion of hypocrisy. -Like some sort of intelligence that's trying to find a way out of a " bunch " of energie, stuck in LTTL Mn's head. -On your hypocritical knees...LTTL Mn...on your knees > > but that's ok. > > let the games begin! > > .b b.b. > -Got banned from the other groups...Lttl Mn? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " BobN " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > ...by " Infection " It is become Awareness. > > -bbb- > > > > What do you mean? > > -geo- > > > > i grow old and weary but will here uselessly try and explain: > > like " feeling " the pulse of a strong electric current.. > > in the mere act of being located near (in terms of " physical space " ).. > > a strong electrical source... > > it is then that a " Force " is known as a " flowing through " .. > > similar in kind to the sense of flowing waters.. > > rippling through the " body " > > and yet never (at the " time " ) does any actual.. > > " joining " or " contacting " occur. > > like the transmission of a " disease " without actual " touching " > > it is by somewhat similar " means " .. > > that knowledge of Identity as THAT become Recognized. > > and the two are then ONE. > > This is a peculiar Understanding. > > it Arises without " person " . > > a common mistake made in higher mediation or thought.. > > is the seeking for a subtle object of Recognition.. > > i.e: something that could be experienced. > > This is not the situation nor Condition.. > > this Adumbration of Divinity.. > > Aligns with a sense of simply tremendous Authority > > Life grows darker as we " go on " . > > till only one " Vestal Light " is left shining. > > and that is Faith in Certitude. > > THIS is neither Bliss nor Agony. > > the closest wording that may be employed regarding It.. > > (in terms of Quality)..is " Satisfaction " . > > yet it is High Indifference of an Order beyond human ken. > > HERE...even Satisfaction is dropped as a sort of need or desire. > > Old age..like solitude and sorrow..has...Revelation. > > and aging..age and or " dotage " .. > > are not one of the beauties of " Creation " .. > > however...the Case (of aging).. > > is most definitely one of Initial Conception's " Harmonies " . > > Jubilation!. > > i attend now therefore to the words of Madame Anne Sophie Swetchine: > > " Poor humanity! - so dependent..so insignificant..and yet so great! " > > Wonderful Wonderful!.. and before all birthrights. > > IT is THIS. > > .b b.b. > Man of few words Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:06 AM > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 4:47 PM > > > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > BobN > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:01 PM > > > > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ...by " Infection " It is become Awareness. > > > > > > -bbb- > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > i grow old and weary but will here uselessly try and explain: > > > > > > > > > > like " feeling " the pulse of a strong electric current.. > > > > > > > > > > in the mere act of being located near (in terms of " physical space " ).. > > > > > > > > > > a strong electrical source... > > > > > > > > > > it is then that a " Force " is known as a " flowing through " .. > > > > > > > > > > similar in kind to the sense of flowing waters.. > > > > > > > > > > rippling through the " body " > > > > > > > > > > and yet never (at the " time " ) does any actual.. > > > > > > > > > > " joining " or " contacting " occur. > > > > > > > > > > like the transmission of a " disease " without actual " touching " > > > > > > > > > > it is by somewhat similar " means " .. > > > > > > > > > > that knowledge of Identity as THAT become Recognized. > > > > > > > > > > and the two are then ONE. > > > > > > > > > > This is a peculiar Understanding. > > > > > > > > > > it Arises without " person " . > > > > > > > > > > a common mistake made in higher mediation or thought.. > > > > > > > > > > is the seeking for a subtle object of Recognition.. > > > > > > > > > > i.e: something that could be experienced. > > > > > > > > > > This is not the situation nor Condition.. > > > > > > > > > > this Adumbration of Divinity.. > > > > > > > > > > Aligns with a sense of simply tremendous Authority > > > > > > > > > > Life grows darker as we " go on " . > > > > > > > > > > till only one " Vestal Light " is left shining. > > > > > > > > > > and that is Faith in Certitude. > > > > > > > > > > THIS is neither Bliss nor Agony. > > > > > > > > > > the closest wording that may be employed regarding It.. > > > > > > > > > > (in terms of Quality)..is " Satisfaction " . > > > > > > > > > > yet it is High Indifference of an Order beyond human ken. > > > > > > > > > > HERE...even Satisfaction is dropped as a sort of need or desire. > > > > > > > > > > Old age..like solitude and sorrow..has...Revelation. > > > > > > > > > > and aging..age and or " dotage " .. > > > > > > > > > > are not one of the beauties of " Creation " .. > > > > > > > > > > however...the Case (of aging).. > > > > > > > > > > is most definitely one of Initial Conception's " Harmonies " . > > > > > > > > > > Jubilation!. > > > > > > > > > > i attend now therefore to the words of Madame Anne Sophie Swetchine: > > > > > > > > > > " Poor humanity! - so dependent..so insignificant..and yet so great! " > > > > > > > > > > Wonderful Wonderful!.. and before all birthrights. > > > > > > > > > > IT is THIS. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it isn't. > > > > IT moved since you so eloquently point at it. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > THIS is unmovable. How could it....it is immeasurable, non-apparent, the > > > > very reason of all movement. What moves incessantly is consciousness. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you imagine that you have access to something outside of > > > consciousness? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > " Something? " > > > > A separate perceiver that has access to a " thing? " > > -tim- > > > > Toomba thinks the ground is some kind of a projection " outside " of himself > > that is everchanging. > > -geo- > > Clearly, as he keeps referencing 'you'... " ewe, ewe, ewe " . > > As if a " me " weren't required to access a " you " . > > As if he imagined he had access to something outside consciousness ('you'). > > Pretty amazing, eh? ;-). > You know what's more amazing? When one self thinks that it knows what another self is thinking. :-0 toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Tim G. > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:06 AM > > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > toombaru > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 4:47 PM > > > > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > BobN > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:01 PM > > > > > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...by " Infection " It is become Awareness. > > > > > > > -bbb- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean? > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > i grow old and weary but will here uselessly try and explain: > > > > > > > > > > > > like " feeling " the pulse of a strong electric current.. > > > > > > > > > > > > in the mere act of being located near (in terms of " physical space " ).. > > > > > > > > > > > > a strong electrical source... > > > > > > > > > > > > it is then that a " Force " is known as a " flowing through " .. > > > > > > > > > > > > similar in kind to the sense of flowing waters.. > > > > > > > > > > > > rippling through the " body " > > > > > > > > > > > > and yet never (at the " time " ) does any actual.. > > > > > > > > > > > > " joining " or " contacting " occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > like the transmission of a " disease " without actual " touching " > > > > > > > > > > > > it is by somewhat similar " means " .. > > > > > > > > > > > > that knowledge of Identity as THAT become Recognized. > > > > > > > > > > > > and the two are then ONE. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a peculiar Understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > it Arises without " person " . > > > > > > > > > > > > a common mistake made in higher mediation or thought.. > > > > > > > > > > > > is the seeking for a subtle object of Recognition.. > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e: something that could be experienced. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not the situation nor Condition.. > > > > > > > > > > > > this Adumbration of Divinity.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aligns with a sense of simply tremendous Authority > > > > > > > > > > > > Life grows darker as we " go on " . > > > > > > > > > > > > till only one " Vestal Light " is left shining. > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is Faith in Certitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > THIS is neither Bliss nor Agony. > > > > > > > > > > > > the closest wording that may be employed regarding It.. > > > > > > > > > > > > (in terms of Quality)..is " Satisfaction " . > > > > > > > > > > > > yet it is High Indifference of an Order beyond human ken. > > > > > > > > > > > > HERE...even Satisfaction is dropped as a sort of need or desire. > > > > > > > > > > > > Old age..like solitude and sorrow..has...Revelation. > > > > > > > > > > > > and aging..age and or " dotage " .. > > > > > > > > > > > > are not one of the beauties of " Creation " .. > > > > > > > > > > > > however...the Case (of aging).. > > > > > > > > > > > > is most definitely one of Initial Conception's " Harmonies " . > > > > > > > > > > > > Jubilation!. > > > > > > > > > > > > i attend now therefore to the words of Madame Anne Sophie Swetchine: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Poor humanity! - so dependent..so insignificant..and yet so great! " > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonderful Wonderful!.. and before all birthrights. > > > > > > > > > > > > IT is THIS. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it isn't. > > > > > IT moved since you so eloquently point at it. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > THIS is unmovable. How could it....it is immeasurable, non-apparent, the > > > > > very reason of all movement. What moves incessantly is consciousness. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you imagine that you have access to something outside of > > > > consciousness? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > " Something? " > > > > > > A separate perceiver that has access to a " thing? " > > > -tim- > > > > > > Toomba thinks the ground is some kind of a projection " outside " of himself > > > that is everchanging. > > > -geo- > > > > Clearly, as he keeps referencing 'you'... " ewe, ewe, ewe " . > > > > As if a " me " weren't required to access a " you " . > > > > As if he imagined he had access to something outside consciousness ('you'). > > > > Pretty amazing, eh? ;-). > > > > > You know what's more amazing? > When one self thinks that it knows what another self is thinking. > > > :-0 > > > > > toombaru Selves can't think. Selves are thoughts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2009 > > > As if he imagined he had access to something outside consciousness ('you'). > > > > > > Pretty amazing, eh? ;-). > > > > > > > > > You know what's more amazing? > > When one self thinks that it knows what another self is thinking. > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Selves can't think. Selves are thoughts. Like shadows are the lack of light? :-0 toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > > As if he imagined he had access to something outside consciousness ('you'). > > > > > > > > Pretty amazing, eh? ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know what's more amazing? > > > When one self thinks that it knows what another self is thinking. > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Selves can't think. Selves are thoughts. > > > Like shadows are the lack of light? > > > :-0 > > > > > > toombaru Even shadows have more apparent continuity... but they don't repeat as persistently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > As if he imagined he had access to something outside consciousness ('you'). > > > > > > > > > > Pretty amazing, eh? ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know what's more amazing? > > > > When one self thinks that it knows what another self is thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Selves can't think. Selves are thoughts. > > > > > > Like shadows are the lack of light? > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Even shadows have more apparent continuity... but they don't repeat as persistently. > No " thing " is more substantial....or has more continuity......real or apparent.........than any other " thing " . And you can take that to the bank........if you could find such a thing. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As if he imagined he had access to something outside consciousness ('you'). > > > > > > > > > > > > Pretty amazing, eh? ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know what's more amazing? > > > > > When one self thinks that it knows what another self is thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Selves can't think. Selves are thoughts. > > > > > > > > > Like shadows are the lack of light? > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Even shadows have more apparent continuity... but they don't repeat as persistently. > > > > > > No " thing " is more substantial....or has more continuity......real or apparent.........than any other " thing " . > > And you can take that to the bank........if you could find such a thing. toombaru gentlemen.. michael jordan plays ball... charles manson kills people... both of you gentlemen-at-arms talk....and talk. everyone has a talent. some more meaningless than others. but all that can be done by anyone is to kill time.. burn daylight. so it really doesn't matter. i'm going up the high mountain to see God. that should be a hoot! maybe it's a tad bit narcissistic i dunno. do either of you? bet there can be even a better one-up-man-ship gotcha in this here.. then there is with that: shadows and selves and banks and all else thing that you got goin'. let's see for the hell of it. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain wrote: > > > No " thing " is more substantial....or has more continuity......real or apparent.........than any other " thing " . > > And you can take that to the bank........if you could find such a > thing. toombaru No problems here with cashing checks, and such ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > Tim G. > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Tuesday, November 24, 2009 12:06 AM > > > > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > Monday, November 23, 2009 4:47 PM > > > > > > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > BobN > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > Saturday, November 21, 2009 8:01 PM > > > > > > > > Re: The Absolute > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...by " Infection " It is become Awareness. > > > > > > > > > -bbb- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean? > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i grow old and weary but will here uselessly try and explain: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like " feeling " the pulse of a strong electric current.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the mere act of being located near (in terms of " physical space " ).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a strong electrical source... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is then that a " Force " is known as a " flowing through " .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > similar in kind to the sense of flowing waters.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rippling through the " body " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and yet never (at the " time " ) does any actual.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " joining " or " contacting " occur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like the transmission of a " disease " without actual " touching " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is by somewhat similar " means " .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that knowledge of Identity as THAT become Recognized. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and the two are then ONE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a peculiar Understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it Arises without " person " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a common mistake made in higher mediation or thought.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is the seeking for a subtle object of Recognition.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i.e: something that could be experienced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not the situation nor Condition.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this Adumbration of Divinity.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aligns with a sense of simply tremendous Authority > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Life grows darker as we " go on " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > till only one " Vestal Light " is left shining. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that is Faith in Certitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THIS is neither Bliss nor Agony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the closest wording that may be employed regarding It.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (in terms of Quality)..is " Satisfaction " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yet it is High Indifference of an Order beyond human ken. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HERE...even Satisfaction is dropped as a sort of need or desire. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Old age..like solitude and sorrow..has...Revelation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and aging..age and or " dotage " .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are not one of the beauties of " Creation " .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > however...the Case (of aging).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is most definitely one of Initial Conception's " Harmonies " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jubilation!. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i attend now therefore to the words of Madame Anne Sophie Swetchine: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Poor humanity! - so dependent..so insignificant..and yet so great! " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonderful Wonderful!.. and before all birthrights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IT is THIS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No it isn't. > > > > > > > IT moved since you so eloquently point at it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THIS is unmovable. How could it....it is immeasurable, non-apparent, the > > > > > > > very reason of all movement. What moves incessantly is consciousness. > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And you imagine that you have access to something outside of > > > > > > consciousness? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > " Something? " > > > > > > > > > > A separate perceiver that has access to a " thing? " > > > > > -tim- > > > > > > > > > > Toomba thinks the ground is some kind of a projection " outside " of himself > > > > > that is everchanging. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Clearly, as he keeps referencing 'you'... " ewe, ewe, ewe " . > > > > > > > > As if a " me " weren't required to access a " you " . > > > > > > > > As if he imagined he had access to something outside consciousness ('you'). > > > > > > > > Pretty amazing, eh? ;-). > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know what's more amazing? > > > When one self thinks that it knows what another self is thinking. > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Selves can't think. Selves are thoughts. > > > > > No, no, Tim, > > Self is just a word to denote this complex psychologigal and conditioned structure composed of past experiences inherited or learned which is stored in memory and in the genes. > > This structure sits in the neuronsal network and is also producing verbal thoughts to eventually get communicated - that's why they are verbal. > > Without this 'self' you couldn't post here but rather would be locked off in a mental asylum - helpless and deserted. > > We are social beings and our social capacities, activities and idiosyncracies are summarized in one word: Self. > > Werner werner... do you really think you are a social being? delusion is the big problem with your.. " complex psychologigal(sic) and conditioned structure.. composed of past experiences inherited or learned... which is stored in memory and in the genes. " first of all in your case.. there is nothing " complex " . see how simple it is. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > You know what's more amazing? > > When one self thinks that it knows what another self is thinking. > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Selves can't think. Selves are thoughts. > No, no, Tim, Self is just a word to denote this complex psychologigal and conditioned structure composed of past experiences inherited or learned which is stored in memory and in the genes. This structure sits in the neuronal network and is also producing verbal thoughts to eventually get communicated - that's why they are verbal. Without this 'self' you couldn't post here but rather would be locked off in a mental asylum - helpless and deserted. We are social beings and our social capacities, activities and idiosyncracies are summarized in one word: Self. Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You know what's more amazing? > > > When one self thinks that it knows what another self is thinking. > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Selves can't think. Selves are thoughts. > > > > > > No, no, Tim, > > Self is just a word to denote this complex psychologigal and conditioned structure composed of past experiences inherited or learned which is stored in memory and in the genes. > > This structure sits in the neuronal network and is also producing verbal thoughts to eventually get communicated - that's why they are verbal. > > Without this 'self' you couldn't post here but rather would be locked off in a mental asylum - helpless and deserted. > > We are social beings and our social capacities, activities and idiosyncracies are summarized in one word: Self. > > Werner > The unknown present has nothing to say to the known past. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 25, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " wwoehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know what's more amazing? > > > > When one self thinks that it knows what another self is thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Selves can't think. Selves are thoughts. > > > > > > > > > > > No, no, Tim, > > > > Self is just a word to denote this complex psychologigal and conditioned structure composed of past experiences inherited or learned which is stored in memory and in the genes. > > > > This structure sits in the neuronal network and is also producing verbal thoughts to eventually get communicated - that's why they are verbal. > > > > Without this 'self' you couldn't post here but rather would be locked off in a mental asylum - helpless and deserted. > > > > We are social beings and our social capacities, activities and idiosyncracies are summarized in one word: Self. > > > > Werner > > > > The unknown present has nothing to say to the known past. BTW, you're quite right. One finds oneself alone and helpless in a mental asylum called 'the world'. Sane, happy and at peace. Worth every penny of the price of admission, which is " everything " . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
