Guest guest Report post Posted June 3, 2005 NonDualPhil , " Tony OClery " <aoclery> wrote: NonDualPhil , Pedsie2@a... wrote: > We encounter that word often in Nondual lists. > It now conveys the meaning of totality, not only > in a material way, as the word 'universe' does, > but also the totality of the intangible and the > ineffable, but originally it had another meaning. > It originates from the Latin word 'absolvere' which > means to set free. Curiously, it now means also > complete lack of freedom, as when it's used in > absolute monarchy. > > In Medieval times it was used to designate > the uncaused, hence, God. In modern phil it > means universal, independent, encompassing all > beings. In China it's equivalent with both wu chi > (non-being) and tai chi (being). In Buddhism is > equivalent with Bhutatahata (thusness) and the Void. > Namaste, And yet it still describes Saguna Brahman and doesn't touch on the concept of Nirguna Brahman...........ONS...Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 11, 2009 It seems inevitable that people will make reference to an absolute or to the absolute, or the Absolute. It is a necessary contrast to " the relative. " Just like there inevitably are words like, " the One, " " Nothingness, " " atemporal, " " totality, " " the unknowable, " " the nonconceptual, " or " the timeless. " These kinds of references must be made, to suggest something that is not of words, time, relative experience, or thought. The only difficulty with this scenario is that you end up with a temporal being discussing the atemporal, a relative being talking about the absolute, etc. A relative being can't know anything about an absolute, nor can a temporal being have any way to encounter the atemporal. Still, these concepts about the nonconceptual, which can't be conceptualized about - are inevitable. Plus, they make for interesting statements. Not to mention all the religions they have fueled. - Dan - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > It seems inevitable that people will make reference to an absolute or to the absolute, or the Absolute. > > It is a necessary contrast to " the relative. " Just as " the Self " is a necessary contrast to " the Other " (I need you, I hate you, I love you, I'm obsessed with you... you, you, you! ;-). In my view, it works (at least in some contexts) as a pointer to " no other is involved " , and as a synonym for awareness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > It seems inevitable that people will make reference to an absolute or to the absolute, or the Absolute. > > It is a necessary contrast to " the relative. " > > Just like there inevitably are words like, " the One, " " Nothingness, " " atemporal, " " totality, " " the unknowable, " " the nonconceptual, " or " the timeless. " > > These kinds of references must be made, to suggest something that is not of words, time, relative experience, or thought. > > The only difficulty with this scenario is that you end up with a temporal being discussing the atemporal, a relative being talking about the absolute, etc. > > A relative being can't know anything about an absolute, nor can a temporal being have any way to encounter the atemporal. > > Still, these concepts about the nonconceptual, which can't be conceptualized about - are inevitable. > > Plus, they make for interesting statements. > > Not to mention all the religions they have fueled. > > > - Dan - P: That it's inevitable is hardly news to anyone. The funny thing is when after using terms such as unknowable people go on to talk about it as if it were known. or after calling it nothingness go on to give it qualities as if it were a something > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 11, 2009 A relative being can't know anything about an absolute, nor can a temporal being have any way to encounter the atemporal. -d-Well, why else would they be talking about it? ;-).-t- To the relative and temporal all will sound relative and temporal. But if both.... -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 11, 2009 - cerosoul Nisargadatta Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:43 AM Re: The Absolute Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > It seems inevitable that people will make reference to an absolute or to > the absolute, or the Absolute. > > It is a necessary contrast to " the relative. " > > Just like there inevitably are words like, " the One, " " Nothingness, " > " atemporal, " " totality, " " the unknowable, " " the nonconceptual, " or " the > timeless. " > > These kinds of references must be made, to suggest something that is not > of words, time, relative experience, or thought. > > The only difficulty with this scenario is that you end up with a temporal > being discussing the atemporal, a relative being talking about the > absolute, etc. > > A relative being can't know anything about an absolute, nor can a temporal > being have any way to encounter the atemporal. > > Still, these concepts about the nonconceptual, which can't be > conceptualized about - are inevitable. > > Plus, they make for interesting statements. > > Not to mention all the religions they have fueled. > > > - Dan - P: That it's inevitable is hardly news to anyone. The funny thing is when after using terms such as unknowable people go on to talk about it as if it were known. or after calling it nothingness go on to give it qualities as if it were a something geo> When two " persons " are discussing the ground, or call it awareness, or absolute, eventually - and that is where the real fun is - both, or one of them, will try to see whether they are talking about the same thing although it is known that words are not it. Sometimes, after a few exchanges, it is clear that one of them is just not seeing the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > It seems inevitable that people will make reference to an absolute or to the absolute, or the Absolute. > > It is a necessary contrast to " the relative. " > > Just like there inevitably are words like, " the One, " " Nothingness, " " atemporal, " " totality, " " the unknowable, " " the nonconceptual, " or " the timeless. " > > These kinds of references must be made, to suggest something that is not of words, time, relative experience, or thought. > > The only difficulty with this scenario is that you end up with a temporal being discussing the atemporal, a relative being talking about the absolute, etc. > > A relative being can't know anything about an absolute, nor can a temporal being have any way to encounter the atemporal. > > Still, these concepts about the nonconceptual, which can't be conceptualized about - are inevitable. > > Plus, they make for interesting statements. > > Not to mention all the religions they have fueled. > > > - Dan - > you can't take out of mind the " Absolute " ...by whatever words, concepts and theories never! The relation of imaginary, individual little being....to the Absolute.....that's what Life is about! .... If you don't want to Live!... because of whatever concepts, theories and non-dual crap!.... that's up to you...and the Absolute... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > It seems inevitable that people will make reference to an absolute or to the absolute, or the Absolute. > > > > It is a necessary contrast to " the relative. " > > > > Just like there inevitably are words like, " the One, " " Nothingness, " " atemporal, " " totality, " " the unknowable, " " the nonconceptual, " or " the timeless. " > > > > These kinds of references must be made, to suggest something that is not of words, time, relative experience, or thought. > > > > The only difficulty with this scenario is that you end up with a temporal being discussing the atemporal, a relative being talking about the absolute, etc. > > > > A relative being can't know anything about an absolute, nor can a temporal being have any way to encounter the atemporal. > > > > Still, these concepts about the nonconceptual, which can't be conceptualized about - are inevitable. > > > > Plus, they make for interesting statements. > > > > Not to mention all the religions they have fueled. > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > you can't take out of mind the " Absolute " ...by whatever words, concepts and theories > > never! > > The relation of imaginary, individual little being....to the Absolute.....that's what Life is about! > > ... > > If you don't want to Live!... > > because of whatever concepts, theories and non-dual crap!.... > > that's up to you...and the Absolute... > > > > > Marc > Dan your email is self contradictory. firstly, are you talking about perfection or limitlessness; and do you want to exclude statements, ideas, and/or natural laws, geometric principles, etc. (I think the list itself could be limitless)? Or perhaps somewhat like " there are no absolutes except this statement! " would be ok. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > It seems inevitable that people will make reference to an absolute or to the absolute, or the Absolute. > > > > It is a necessary contrast to " the relative. " > > Just as " the Self " is a necessary contrast to " the Other " (I need you, I hate you, I love you, I'm obsessed with you... you, you, you! ;-). > > In my view, it works (at least in some contexts) as a pointer to " no other is involved " , and as a synonym for awareness. Certainly, it can work as a pointer. And what is being pointed to? Ultimately, the dissolution of one's own continuity as any kind of separately identifiable being. One enter the stillness. The stillness for which " the motivation for continuity " is the resistance, and which resistance supplies the extraneous noise, also called " human history " and " personal history. " - Dan - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > It seems inevitable that people will make reference to an absolute or to the absolute, or the Absolute. > > > > It is a necessary contrast to " the relative. " > > > > Just like there inevitably are words like, " the One, " " Nothingness, " " atemporal, " " totality, " " the unknowable, " " the nonconceptual, " or " the timeless. " > > > > These kinds of references must be made, to suggest something that is not of words, time, relative experience, or thought. > > > > The only difficulty with this scenario is that you end up with a temporal being discussing the atemporal, a relative being talking about the absolute, etc. > > > > A relative being can't know anything about an absolute, nor can a temporal being have any way to encounter the atemporal. > > > > Still, these concepts about the nonconceptual, which can't be conceptualized about - are inevitable. > > > > Plus, they make for interesting statements. > > > > Not to mention all the religions they have fueled. > > > > > > - Dan - > > P: That it's inevitable is hardly news to anyone. The > funny thing is when after using terms such as unknowable > people go on to talk about it as if it were known. or > after calling it nothingness go on to give it qualities > as if it were a something D: Well, I guess that's so people can converse. Although, none of the conversing touches what it is to be absorbed in stillness, even while moving. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " methusalum " <methusalum wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > It seems inevitable that people will make reference to an absolute or to the absolute, or the Absolute. > > > > > > It is a necessary contrast to " the relative. " > > > > > > Just like there inevitably are words like, " the One, " " Nothingness, " " atemporal, " " totality, " " the unknowable, " " the nonconceptual, " or " the timeless. " > > > > > > These kinds of references must be made, to suggest something that is not of words, time, relative experience, or thought. > > > > > > The only difficulty with this scenario is that you end up with a temporal being discussing the atemporal, a relative being talking about the absolute, etc. > > > > > > A relative being can't know anything about an absolute, nor can a temporal being have any way to encounter the atemporal. > > > > > > Still, these concepts about the nonconceptual, which can't be conceptualized about - are inevitable. > > > > > > Plus, they make for interesting statements. > > > > > > Not to mention all the religions they have fueled. > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > you can't take out of mind the " Absolute " ...by whatever words, concepts and theories > > > > never! > > > > The relation of imaginary, individual little being....to the Absolute.....that's what Life is about! > > > > ... > > > > If you don't want to Live!... > > > > because of whatever concepts, theories and non-dual crap!.... > > > > that's up to you...and the Absolute... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > Dan > > your email is self contradictory. firstly, are you talking about perfection or limitlessness; and do you want to exclude statements, ideas, and/or natural laws, geometric principles, etc. (I think the list itself could be limitless)? Or perhaps somewhat like " there are no absolutes except this statement! " would be ok. No. It's that the relative being comes to a full stop. It realizes that it can never comprehend. It can't even comprehend that it can't comprehend, or what it can't comprehend. This is to be absorbed by stillness. Death, in other words. Being. - Dan - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > It seems inevitable that people will make reference to an absolute or to the absolute, or the Absolute. > > > > > > It is a necessary contrast to " the relative. " > > > > Just as " the Self " is a necessary contrast to " the Other " (I need you, I hate you, I love you, I'm obsessed with you... you, you, you! ;-). > > > > In my view, it works (at least in some contexts) as a pointer to " no other is involved " , and as a synonym for awareness. > > > Certainly, it can work as a pointer. > > And what is being pointed to? > > Ultimately, the dissolution of one's own continuity as any kind of separately identifiable being. > > One enter the stillness. > > The stillness for which " the motivation for continuity " is the resistance, and which resistance supplies the extraneous noise, also called " human history " and " personal history. " > > > - Dan - there is no one entering silence. there is no noise being exited. these are mere maya... a faulty creation of being caught in illusory opposites. be still. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > It seems inevitable that people will make reference to an absolute or to the absolute, or the Absolute. > > > > > > It is a necessary contrast to " the relative. " > > > > > > Just like there inevitably are words like, " the One, " " Nothingness, " " atemporal, " " totality, " " the unknowable, " " the nonconceptual, " or " the timeless. " > > > > > > These kinds of references must be made, to suggest something that is not of words, time, relative experience, or thought. > > > > > > The only difficulty with this scenario is that you end up with a temporal being discussing the atemporal, a relative being talking about the absolute, etc. > > > > > > A relative being can't know anything about an absolute, nor can a temporal being have any way to encounter the atemporal. > > > > > > Still, these concepts about the nonconceptual, which can't be conceptualized about - are inevitable. > > > > > > Plus, they make for interesting statements. > > > > > > Not to mention all the religions they have fueled. > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > P: That it's inevitable is hardly news to anyone. The > > funny thing is when after using terms such as unknowable > > people go on to talk about it as if it were known. or > > after calling it nothingness go on to give it qualities > > as if it were a something > > D: Well, I guess that's so people can converse. > > Although, none of the conversing touches what it is to > > be absorbed in stillness, even while moving. as if you'd know what that is. the greatest knowledge is to admit that one doesn't know. you may some day reach this wonderment. strive without striving my child. it's so easy. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " methusalum " <methusalum@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It seems inevitable that people will make reference to an absolute or to the absolute, or the Absolute. > > > > > > > > It is a necessary contrast to " the relative. " > > > > > > > > Just like there inevitably are words like, " the One, " " Nothingness, " " atemporal, " " totality, " " the unknowable, " " the nonconceptual, " or " the timeless. " > > > > > > > > These kinds of references must be made, to suggest something that is not of words, time, relative experience, or thought. > > > > > > > > The only difficulty with this scenario is that you end up with a temporal being discussing the atemporal, a relative being talking about the absolute, etc. > > > > > > > > A relative being can't know anything about an absolute, nor can a temporal being have any way to encounter the atemporal. > > > > > > > > Still, these concepts about the nonconceptual, which can't be conceptualized about - are inevitable. > > > > > > > > Plus, they make for interesting statements. > > > > > > > > Not to mention all the religions they have fueled. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can't take out of mind the " Absolute " ...by whatever words, concepts and theories > > > > > > never! > > > > > > The relation of imaginary, individual little being....to the Absolute.....that's what Life is about! > > > > > > ... > > > > > > If you don't want to Live!... > > > > > > because of whatever concepts, theories and non-dual crap!.... > > > > > > that's up to you...and the Absolute... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > Dan > > > > your email is self contradictory. firstly, are you talking about perfection or limitlessness; and do you want to exclude statements, ideas, and/or natural laws, geometric principles, etc. (I think the list itself could be limitless)? Or perhaps somewhat like " there are no absolutes except this statement! " would be ok. > > No. > > It's that the relative being comes to a full stop. > > It realizes that it can never comprehend. > > It can't even comprehend that it can't comprehend, or what it can't comprehend. > > This is to be absorbed by stillness. > > Death, in other words. > > Being. > > > - Dan - but this very post is indicative.. of your error in belief. that misplay being that you comprehend. you don't. don't say anyone is wrong. doing so does not make you right. do you understand? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 12, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " methusalum " <methusalum@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > It seems inevitable that people will make reference to an absolute or to the absolute, or the Absolute. > > > > > > > > It is a necessary contrast to " the relative. " > > > > > > > > Just like there inevitably are words like, " the One, " " Nothingness, " " atemporal, " " totality, " " the unknowable, " " the nonconceptual, " or " the timeless. " > > > > > > > > These kinds of references must be made, to suggest something that is not of words, time, relative experience, or thought. > > > > > > > > The only difficulty with this scenario is that you end up with a temporal being discussing the atemporal, a relative being talking about the absolute, etc. > > > > > > > > A relative being can't know anything about an absolute, nor can a temporal being have any way to encounter the atemporal. > > > > > > > > Still, these concepts about the nonconceptual, which can't be conceptualized about - are inevitable. > > > > > > > > Plus, they make for interesting statements. > > > > > > > > Not to mention all the religions they have fueled. > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can't take out of mind the " Absolute " ...by whatever words, concepts and theories > > > > > > never! > > > > > > The relation of imaginary, individual little being....to the Absolute.....that's what Life is about! > > > > > > ... > > > > > > If you don't want to Live!... > > > > > > because of whatever concepts, theories and non-dual crap!.... > > > > > > that's up to you...and the Absolute... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > Dan > > > > your email is self contradictory. firstly, are you talking about perfection or limitlessness; and do you want to exclude statements, ideas, and/or natural laws, geometric principles, etc. (I think the list itself could be limitless)? Or perhaps somewhat like " there are no absolutes except this statement! " would be ok. > > No. > > It's that the relative being comes to a full stop. > > It realizes that it can never comprehend. > > It can't even comprehend that it can't comprehend, or what it can't comprehend. > > This is to be absorbed by stillness. > > Death, in other words. > > Being. > > > - Dan - > You seem to have a good grasp of the poetic. Saying that it realises something, then that it cannot comprehend the same. but that is trivial, what I really want to know is what happens to a being when it comes to a full stop. Pause, take a breath, continue? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2009 what I really want to know is what happens to a being when it comes to a full stop. Pause, take a breath, continue?-matus- It knows that it is but just a pattern of the absolute, a wave of the ocean. It keeps on breathing, living, knowing that it is part of the only one movement there is. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " methusalum " <methusalum wrote: > > > > but that is trivial, what I really want to know is what happens to a > being when it comes to a full stop. Pause, take a breath, continue? *crickets chirping* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " methusalum " <methusalum wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " methusalum " <methusalum@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > It seems inevitable that people will make reference to an absolute or to the absolute, or the Absolute. > > > > > > > > > > It is a necessary contrast to " the relative. " > > > > > > > > > > Just like there inevitably are words like, " the One, " " Nothingness, " " atemporal, " " totality, " " the unknowable, " " the nonconceptual, " or " the timeless. " > > > > > > > > > > These kinds of references must be made, to suggest something that is not of words, time, relative experience, or thought. > > > > > > > > > > The only difficulty with this scenario is that you end up with a temporal being discussing the atemporal, a relative being talking about the absolute, etc. > > > > > > > > > > A relative being can't know anything about an absolute, nor can a temporal being have any way to encounter the atemporal. > > > > > > > > > > Still, these concepts about the nonconceptual, which can't be conceptualized about - are inevitable. > > > > > > > > > > Plus, they make for interesting statements. > > > > > > > > > > Not to mention all the religions they have fueled. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Dan - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can't take out of mind the " Absolute " ...by whatever words, concepts and theories > > > > > > > > never! > > > > > > > > The relation of imaginary, individual little being....to the Absolute.....that's what Life is about! > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > If you don't want to Live!... > > > > > > > > because of whatever concepts, theories and non-dual crap!.... > > > > > > > > that's up to you...and the Absolute... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > your email is self contradictory. firstly, are you talking about perfection or limitlessness; and do you want to exclude statements, ideas, and/or natural laws, geometric principles, etc. (I think the list itself could be limitless)? Or perhaps somewhat like " there are no absolutes except this statement! " would be ok. > > > > No. > > > > It's that the relative being comes to a full stop. > > > > It realizes that it can never comprehend. > > > > It can't even comprehend that it can't comprehend, or what it can't comprehend. > > > > This is to be absorbed by stillness. > > > > Death, in other words. > > > > Being. > > > > > > - Dan - > > > You seem to have a good grasp of the poetic. Saying that it realises something, then that it cannot comprehend the same. > > > but that is trivial, what I really want to know is what happens to a being when it comes to a full stop. Pause, take a breath, continue? > the ones who love to give you an answer to the question.... who are burning in the need of giving The answer.... like some dead people here are doing.... .....such people have certainly no idea about It Marc Ps: but Tim could tell you.....if he were interested in talking non-sense.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > the ones who love to give you an answer to the question.... > > who are burning in the need of giving The answer.... > > like some dead people here are doing.... > > ....such people have certainly no idea about It > > > > > Marc > > > Ps: but Tim could tell you.....if he were interested in talking non-> sense.... Questions like his are similar to e.g. " please communicate the experience of the taste of sugar, of sweetness, in words " . Obviously, there's no answer to that kind of question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > the ones who love to give you an answer to the question.... > > > > who are burning in the need of giving The answer.... > > > > like some dead people here are doing.... > > > > ....such people have certainly no idea about It > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Ps: but Tim could tell you.....if he were interested in talking non-> sense.... > > Questions like his are similar to e.g. " please communicate the experience of the taste of sugar, of sweetness, in words " . > > Obviously, there's no answer to that kind of question. > no, there is no answer to that kind of question .... it's possible to detect a certain tendency in here....which want to express that " there is nothing to understand etc " ......and so, that " one need to understand that there is nothing to understand etc " .... bullshit! it's possible to understand who one is for real....and so also....who one never has been for real Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > the ones who love to give you an answer to the question.... > > > > > > who are burning in the need of giving The answer.... > > > > > > like some dead people here are doing.... > > > > > > ....such people have certainly no idea about It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Ps: but Tim could tell you.....if he were interested in talking non-> sense.... > > > > Questions like his are similar to e.g. " please communicate the experience of the taste of sugar, of sweetness, in words " . > > > > Obviously, there's no answer to that kind of question. > > > > > no, there is no answer to that kind of question > > ... > > it's possible to detect a certain tendency in here....which want to express that " there is nothing to understand etc " ......and so, that " one need to understand that there is nothing to understand etc " .... > > bullshit! > > it's possible to understand who one is for real....and so > also....who one never has been for real > > > Marc It isn't a verbal understanding. Some things, like the sugar, are non-verbal. If it's already understood, one can say " it is sweet " , and that's enough. If it isn't, ten million words aren't enough, and ten million (mental) pictures are no better :-p. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > It isn't a verbal understanding. > > Some things, like the sugar, are non-verbal. > > If it's already understood, one can say " it is sweet " , and that's enough. > > If it isn't, ten million words aren't enough, and ten million >(mental) pictures are no better :-p. > P.S. really, the above is the whole 'trouble' with so-called nondual talk. It explains completely all the confusion and misinterpretation. Not to mention, there is nothing any more 'privileged' about 'nondual understanding', than the taste of sugar. It is that much open to everyone, or even more so. So, is there really anything to talk about? No. IMO it's just for fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > It isn't a verbal understanding. > > > > Some things, like the sugar, are non-verbal. > > > > If it's already understood, one can say " it is sweet " , and that's enough. > > > > If it isn't, ten million words aren't enough, and ten million > >(mental) pictures are no better :-p. > > > > P.S. really, the above is the whole 'trouble' with so-called nondual talk. It explains completely all the confusion and misinterpretation. > > Not to mention, there is nothing any more 'privileged' about 'nondual understanding', than the taste of sugar. It is that much open to everyone, or even more so. > > So, is there really anything to talk about? No. IMO it's just for fun. > non-verbal understanding, yes no need for conferences etc.... the presense of " somebody " who knows It....is already enough .... the imaginary individual entity can't stop to ask and ask....and then later....to answer and answer.....bubbles bubbles bubbles.... .... where there is knowledge....there is peace.... and fun, yes! .... Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > It isn't a verbal understanding. > > > > > > Some things, like the sugar, are non-verbal. > > > > > > If it's already understood, one can say " it is sweet " , and that's enough. > > > > > > If it isn't, ten million words aren't enough, and ten million > > >(mental) pictures are no better :-p. > > > > > > > P.S. really, the above is the whole 'trouble' with so-called nondual talk. It explains completely all the confusion and misinterpretation. > > > > Not to mention, there is nothing any more 'privileged' about 'nondual understanding', than the taste of sugar. It is that much open to everyone, or even more so. > > > > So, is there really anything to talk about? No. IMO it's just for fun. > > > > non-verbal understanding, yes > > no need for conferences etc.... > > the presense of " somebody " who knows It....is already enough > > ... > > > the imaginary individual entity can't stop to ask and ask....and then later....to answer and answer.....bubbles bubbles bubbles.... > > ... > > where there is knowledge....there is peace.... > > and fun, yes! > > ... > > > > > Marc > When the " imaginary individual entity " is known, is seen for who s/he is/is not...s/he is no longer imaginary. And like Pinocchio, become *real* humans, with the whole kit and kaboodle of human existence at our fingertips. As if we had been given life for the second time. ~A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 13, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anna " <kailashana wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > It isn't a verbal understanding. > > > > > > > > Some things, like the sugar, are non-verbal. > > > > > > > > If it's already understood, one can say " it is sweet " , and that's enough. > > > > > > > > If it isn't, ten million words aren't enough, and ten million > > > >(mental) pictures are no better :-p. > > > > > > > > > > P.S. really, the above is the whole 'trouble' with so-called nondual talk. It explains completely all the confusion and misinterpretation. > > > > > > Not to mention, there is nothing any more 'privileged' about 'nondual understanding', than the taste of sugar. It is that much open to everyone, or even more so. > > > > > > So, is there really anything to talk about? No. IMO it's just for fun. > > > > > > > non-verbal understanding, yes > > > > no need for conferences etc.... > > > > the presense of " somebody " who knows It....is already enough > > > > ... > > > > > > the imaginary individual entity can't stop to ask and ask....and then later....to answer and answer.....bubbles bubbles bubbles.... > > > > ... > > > > where there is knowledge....there is peace.... > > > > and fun, yes! > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > When the " imaginary individual entity " is known, is seen for who s/he is/is not...s/he is no longer imaginary. > > And like Pinocchio, become *real* humans, with the whole kit and kaboodle of human existence at our fingertips. > > As if we had been given life for the second time. > > > ~A who be the " giver " ? who be the " givee " ? " be " .. " going to be " .. " been " ..what-why-where-when-how? 'tiz a puzzlement.. but nobody knows for whom this is so.. or for whom the bell tolls. but everyone " hears " the tintabulation.. and " fears " the illusory end in " personal death " .. even the " dumb " and " deaf " . yet Nobody is the only One which knows without knowing... That which " Is " without need of " being " and here.. " Nobody " has never bothered with " being " .. from the beginning without start or end. it's a very short and meaningless story.. only ever told.. by " we " idiots. it's got a beat and it can be danced to. and so it is that no one can tell the dancer from the dance. they are One. enemy friends in infamy and impotency. Highly Indifferent to the whims and notions of phantoms' judgments.. which are also without end. searching for Heaven for the Hell of it All. there is no one to blame or commend. It is that it is. now go Bless yourself.. if " you " can ever find a self (whatever the hell that is). ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
