Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 7:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > it cannot touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure... but is there anything wrong with thought " knowing " that > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > is limited? > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sometimes that that is all it can do. > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing wrong with anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how could anything be wrong..or right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > that it cannot touch > > > > > > > > > > nontheless projects such realm....then it is back to duality. It is not > > > > > > > > > > " wrong " or " right " ...just > > > > > > > > > > back to the narrowness of conceptualy trying to understand what IS. Result: > > > > > > > > > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......but you know you're talking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...but you know that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you seem to know what i do or do not know.. > > > > > > > > > > i do not. > > > > > > > > > > no ifs ands or buts. > > > > > > > > > > are you listening? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think we think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > who the hell are you asking? > > > > > > who's the you that asks? > > > > > > don't think! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > You think that I have a choice not to think? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > i am unfamiliar with the terms: > > " I " .. " choice " .. " think " ... " you " .. " have " .. > > you are talking gibberish. > > > .b b.b. > And you are not? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Oh no. thought solving a math problem does not need an inner separate > > > > > > > > > > > > entiy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It needs time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And time is thought-formulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> I understand wht you are saying, but your usage of " thought " is unique. > > > > > > > > > > > > Again: what is consciousness according to your nomeclature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is generated by an organism, allowing it to use energy to differentiate objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought formulates the structure of the organism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought is the organism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The larger construct that maybe you and I would agree on might be " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are using " consciousness " the way I would use " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, looking deeply into the nature of " awareness, " the concept of awareness (thought-formulated) dissolves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why Niz said, " nothing not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spoke of a truth prior to " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought does not touch this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no truth " prior to awareness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Truth* is a concept. Awareness is content > > > > > > > > > > absent of concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is all there is. Anything " beyond of " or " prior to " consciousness are ideas or concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And thanks for writing " truth " within stars. Thruth and love are the most misused terms. That misuse has its origing in arrogance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you mean orgy-ing wernie? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's arrogant about that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting morally on it is arrogant however. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you would have everyone believe that you are better.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or more informed.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in a position to comment on the human condition.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as if you were outside of it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that you were peering through a microscope.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like your comic book scientist heroes.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at something that you doltishly think you can categorize. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goddamnit all wenie this is what pisses me off about you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're trying to spread that stupidity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't really matter though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought i'd just point out the obvious to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how's your day going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm having a good one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting mad at the machinery is..............well...........mechanical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's as good a mechanical reply as any other. > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for sharing the mundane and common. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think I'm sharing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know. > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > remember? > > > > > > > > or if your not there stop responding. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You " " think " " I " " have " " a " " choice " " ? " > > > > > > > > > " toombaru " > > > > > > i'm not familiar with the term " choice " .. > > > > nor " I " nor " you " . > > > > is that where is found all of that ensnared? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > And yet you are very familiar with the word " I " . it is employed. as in: i don't know what i'm saying. a simple statement of truth.. that you are having an extraordinarily hard time " getting " . don't try so hard. quit trying. it will come of and by itself. this is not advise this is fact. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 7:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > it cannot touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure... but is there anything wrong with thought " knowing " that > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > is limited? > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sometimes that that is all it can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing wrong with anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how could anything be wrong..or right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > that it cannot touch > > > > > > > > > > > nontheless projects such realm....then it is back to duality. It is not > > > > > > > > > > > " wrong " or " right " ...just > > > > > > > > > > > back to the narrowness of conceptualy trying to understand what IS. Result: > > > > > > > > > > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......but you know you're talking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...but you know that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you seem to know what i do or do not know.. > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not. > > > > > > > > > > > > no ifs ands or buts. > > > > > > > > > > > > are you listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think we think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the hell are you asking? > > > > > > > > who's the you that asks? > > > > > > > > don't think! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have the where-with-all to offer advise to another? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > do you really believe that? > > .b b.b. > You tell me no to think and drink warm milk. Have I ask you to do anything? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 7:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > it cannot touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure... but is there anything wrong with thought " knowing " that > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > is limited? > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sometimes that that is all it can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing wrong with anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how could anything be wrong..or right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > that it cannot touch > > > > > > > > > > > nontheless projects such realm....then it is back to duality. It is not > > > > > > > > > > > " wrong " or " right " ...just > > > > > > > > > > > back to the narrowness of conceptualy trying to understand what IS. Result: > > > > > > > > > > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......but you know you're talking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...but you know that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you seem to know what i do or do not know.. > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not. > > > > > > > > > > > > no ifs ands or buts. > > > > > > > > > > > > are you listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think we think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the hell are you asking? > > > > > > > > who's the you that asks? > > > > > > > > don't think! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think that I have a choice not to think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > i am unfamiliar with the terms: > > > > " I " .. " choice " .. " think " ... " you " .. " have " .. > > > > you are talking gibberish. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > And you are not? > > > > toombaru i am. i don't know what i'm saying. i've been saying it over and over. first you disagreed.. now.. you want to agree because of what i said... about what you were saying. i NEVER said anything different. are you on the rag? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 7:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > it cannot touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure... but is there anything wrong with thought " knowing " that > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > is limited? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sometimes that that is all it can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing wrong with anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how could anything be wrong..or right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > that it cannot touch > > > > > > > > > > > > nontheless projects such realm....then it is back to duality. It is not > > > > > > > > > > > > " wrong " or " right " ...just > > > > > > > > > > > > back to the narrowness of conceptualy trying to understand what IS. Result: > > > > > > > > > > > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......but you know you're talking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...but you know that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you seem to know what i do or do not know.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no ifs ands or buts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think we think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the hell are you asking? > > > > > > > > > > who's the you that asks? > > > > > > > > > > don't think! > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have the where-with-all to offer advise to another? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > do you really believe that? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > You tell me no to think and drink warm milk. > > Have I ask you to do anything? > > > > toombaru do you actually find this ego stuff important? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Oh no. thought solving a math problem does not need an inner separate > > > > > > > > > > > > > entiy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It needs time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And time is thought-formulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> I understand wht you are saying, but your usage of " thought " is unique. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again: what is consciousness according to your nomeclature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is generated by an organism, allowing it to use energy to differentiate objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought formulates the structure of the organism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought is the organism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The larger construct that maybe you and I would agree on might be " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are using " consciousness " the way I would use " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, looking deeply into the nature of " awareness, " the concept of awareness (thought-formulated) dissolves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why Niz said, " nothing not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spoke of a truth prior to " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought does not touch this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no truth " prior to awareness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Truth* is a concept. Awareness is content > > > > > > > > > > > absent of concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is all there is. Anything " beyond of " or " prior to " consciousness are ideas or concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And thanks for writing " truth " within stars. Thruth and love are the most misused terms. That misuse has its origing in arrogance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you mean orgy-ing wernie? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's arrogant about that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting morally on it is arrogant however. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you would have everyone believe that you are better.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or more informed.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in a position to comment on the human condition.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as if you were outside of it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that you were peering through a microscope.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like your comic book scientist heroes.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at something that you doltishly think you can categorize. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goddamnit all wenie this is what pisses me off about you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're trying to spread that stupidity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't really matter though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought i'd just point out the obvious to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how's your day going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm having a good one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting mad at the machinery is..............well...........mechanical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's as good a mechanical reply as any other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for sharing the mundane and common. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think I'm sharing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know. > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > remember? > > > > > > > > > > or if your not there stop responding. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You " " think " " I " " have " " a " " choice " " ? " > > > > > > > > > > > > " toombaru " > > > > > > > > > i'm not familiar with the term " choice " .. > > > > > > nor " I " nor " you " . > > > > > > is that where is found all of that ensnared? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > And yet you are very familiar with the word " I " . > > > it is employed. > > as in: > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > a simple statement of truth.. > > that you are having an extraordinarily hard time " getting " . > > don't try so hard. > > quit trying. > > it will come of and by itself. > > this is not advise this is fact. > > .b b.b. > As long as there is an I who thinks that it is the one that doesn't know....... As long as there is an I that thinks that it is talking to another........ As long as there is an I that thinks that it and the perceived other can " get " something through the interchange of thiughts...... As long as there is an I " employed " it are stuck in the conceptual dream. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 7:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > it cannot touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure... but is there anything wrong with thought " knowing " that > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > is limited? > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sometimes that that is all it can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing wrong with anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how could anything be wrong..or right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > that it cannot touch > > > > > > > > > > > nontheless projects such realm....then it is back to duality. It is not > > > > > > > > > > > " wrong " or " right " ...just > > > > > > > > > > > back to the narrowness of conceptualy trying to understand what IS. Result: > > > > > > > > > > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......but you know you're talking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think there is someone listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't think. > > > > > > > > > > you seem to think you know what you're asking. > > > > > > > > > > you don't. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think that you are talking to someone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > you are assuming monsters. > > > > > > drink some warm milk. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > You assume to know what another is assuming? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > you seem to assume that. > > i don't assume anything. > > .b b.b. > Bullshit. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 > i am. > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > i've been saying it over and over. > > first you disagreed.. > > now.. > > you want to agree because of what i said... > > about what you were saying. > > i NEVER said anything different. > > are you on the rag? > > .b b.b. > Is that an assumption? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 7:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it cannot touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure... but is there anything wrong with thought " knowing " that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is limited? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sometimes that that is all it can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing wrong with anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how could anything be wrong..or right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it cannot touch > > > > > > > > > > > > > nontheless projects such realm....then it is back to duality. It is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > " wrong " or " right " ...just > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to the narrowness of conceptualy trying to understand what IS. Result: > > > > > > > > > > > > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......but you know you're talking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...but you know that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you seem to know what i do or do not know.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no ifs ands or buts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think we think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the hell are you asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > who's the you that asks? > > > > > > > > > > > > don't think! > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have the where-with-all to offer advise to another? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > do you really believe that? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > You tell me no to think and drink warm milk. > > > > Have I ask you to do anything? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > do you actually find this ego stuff important? > > .b b.b. > Do you still think that I and my ego are separate? 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 > > > > > > > > > > And yet you are very familiar with the word " I " . > > > > > > it is employed. > > > > as in: > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > a simple statement of truth.. > > > > that you are having an extraordinarily hard time " getting " . > > > > don't try so hard. > > > > quit trying. > > > > it will come of and by itself. > > > > this is not advise this is fact. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > As long as there is an I who thinks that it is the one that doesn't know....... > > As long as there is an I that thinks that it is talking to another........ > > As long as there is an I that thinks that it and the perceived other can " get " something through the interchange of thiughts...... OK so far... > > As long as there is an I " employed " it are stuck in the conceptual dream. rubbish.... and you know very well that is not true, Toom. Bill > > > > > > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Oh no. thought solving a math problem does not need an inner separate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > entiy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It needs time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And time is thought-formulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> I understand wht you are saying, but your usage of " thought " is unique. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again: what is consciousness according to your nomeclature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is generated by an organism, allowing it to use energy to differentiate objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought formulates the structure of the organism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought is the organism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The larger construct that maybe you and I would agree on might be " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are using " consciousness " the way I would use " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, looking deeply into the nature of " awareness, " the concept of awareness (thought-formulated) dissolves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why Niz said, " nothing not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spoke of a truth prior to " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought does not touch this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no truth " prior to awareness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Truth* is a concept. Awareness is content > > > > > > > > > > > > absent of concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is all there is. Anything " beyond of " or " prior to " consciousness are ideas or concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And thanks for writing " truth " within stars. Thruth and love are the most misused terms. That misuse has its origing in arrogance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you mean orgy-ing wernie? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what's arrogant about that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > commenting morally on it is arrogant however. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you would have everyone believe that you are better.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or more informed.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or in a position to comment on the human condition.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as if you were outside of it... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that you were peering through a microscope.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like your comic book scientist heroes.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at something that you doltishly think you can categorize. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > goddamnit all wenie this is what pisses me off about you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you're trying to spread that stupidity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't really matter though. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought i'd just point out the obvious to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how's your day going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm having a good one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting mad at the machinery is..............well...........mechanical. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that's as good a mechanical reply as any other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks for sharing the mundane and common. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think I'm sharing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know. > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > remember? > > > > > > > > > > > > or if your not there stop responding. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " You " " think " " I " " have " " a " " choice " " ? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " toombaru " > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm not familiar with the term " choice " .. > > > > > > > > nor " I " nor " you " . > > > > > > > > is that where is found all of that ensnared? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet you are very familiar with the word " I " . > > > > > > it is employed. > > > > as in: > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > a simple statement of truth.. > > > > that you are having an extraordinarily hard time " getting " . > > > > don't try so hard. > > > > quit trying. > > > > it will come of and by itself. > > > > this is not advise this is fact. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > As long as there is an I who thinks that it is the one that doesn't know....... > > As long as there is an I that thinks that it is talking to another........ > > As long as there is an I that thinks that it and the perceived other can " get " something through the interchange of thiughts...... > > As long as there is an I " employed " it are stuck in the conceptual dream. > > > > > > toombaru no duh? gee that's a shame for you. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > i am. > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > i've been saying it over and over. > > > > first you disagreed.. > > > > now.. > > > > you want to agree because of what i said... > > > > about what you were saying. > > > > i NEVER said anything different. > > > > are you on the rag? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Is that an assumption? > > > toombaru that's a question. do you know the difference? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 7:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it cannot touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure... but is there anything wrong with thought " knowing " that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is limited? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sometimes that that is all it can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing wrong with anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how could anything be wrong..or right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it cannot touch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nontheless projects such realm....then it is back to duality. It is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " wrong " or " right " ...just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to the narrowness of conceptualy trying to understand what IS. Result: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......but you know you're talking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...but you know that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you seem to know what i do or do not know.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no ifs ands or buts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think we think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the hell are you asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's the you that asks? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't think! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have the where-with-all to offer advise to another? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you really believe that? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You tell me no to think and drink warm milk. > > > > > > Have I ask you to do anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > do you actually find this ego stuff important? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Do you still think that I and my ego are separate? > Do you still think that you can think about your ego? > > > > toombaru ok.. once again.. i don't think. i don't know what i'm saying. the i that goes by toombaru is no different. your no Socrates toomie. well you are.. as i am.. but those methods you attempt to employ.. you don't even run a close 10,000th with old Soc. ..b b.b. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 7:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it cannot touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure... but is there anything wrong with thought " knowing " that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is limited? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sometimes that that is all it can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing wrong with anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how could anything be wrong..or right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it cannot touch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nontheless projects such realm....then it is back to duality. It is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " wrong " or " right " ...just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to the narrowness of conceptualy trying to understand what IS. Result: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......but you know you're talking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...but you know that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you seem to know what i do or do not know.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no ifs ands or buts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think we think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the hell are you asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's the you that asks? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't think! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have the where-with-all to offer advise to another? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you really believe that? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You tell me no to think and drink warm milk. > > > > > > > > Have I ask you to do anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > do you actually find this ego stuff important? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > Do you still think that I and my ego are separate? > > Do you still think that you can think about your ego? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > ok.. > > once again.. > > i don't think. > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > the i that goes by toombaru is no different. > > your no Socrates toomie. > > well you are.. > > as i am.. > > but those methods you attempt to employ.. > > you don't even run a close 10,000th with old Soc. > > > .b b.b. > > .b b.b. and: of course... you have no choice... of course.... you don't think... of course.... you are fiction... of course.... the apparent world is a dream.. of course ALL that shit. you know what i mean.. even if i don't. but i won't assume. don't take any of this as advise. i understand now how fragile your sense of self is. sorry. ..b b.b. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 7:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it cannot touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure... but is there anything wrong with thought " knowing " that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is limited? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sometimes that that is all it can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing wrong with anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how could anything be wrong..or right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it cannot touch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nontheless projects such realm....then it is back to duality. It is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " wrong " or " right " ...just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to the narrowness of conceptualy trying to understand what IS. Result: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......but you know you're talking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...but you know that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you seem to know what i do or do not know.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no ifs ands or buts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think we think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the hell are you asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's the you that asks? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't think! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have the where-with-all to offer advise to another? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you really believe that? > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You tell me no to think and drink warm milk. > > > > > > > > > > Have I ask you to do anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > do you actually find this ego stuff important? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you still think that I and my ego are separate? > > > Do you still think that you can think about your ego? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > ok.. > > > > once again.. > > > > i don't think. > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > the i that goes by toombaru is no different. > > > > your no Socrates toomie. > > > > well you are.. > > > > as i am.. > > > > but those methods you attempt to employ.. > > > > you don't even run a close 10,000th with old Soc. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > .b b.b. and: > > of course... you have no choice... > > of course.... you don't think... > > of course.... you are fiction... > > of course.... the apparent world is a dream.. > > of course ALL that shit. > > you know what i mean.. > > even if i don't. > > but i won't assume. > > don't take any of this as advise. > > i understand now how fragile your sense of self is. > > sorry. > > .b b.b. > > .b b.b. do i assume that you require an apology? i don't assume.. there is a thought that does.. but it's not 'mine " . it's crazy daddyo. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yet you are very familiar with the word " I " . > > > > > > > > > it is employed. > > > > > > as in: > > > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > > > a simple statement of truth.. > > > > > > that you are having an extraordinarily hard time " getting " . > > > > > > don't try so hard. > > > > > > quit trying. > > > > > > it will come of and by itself. > > > > > > this is not advise this is fact. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > As long as there is an I who thinks that it is the one that doesn't > know....... > > > > As long as there is an I that thinks that it is talking to > another........ > > > > As long as there is an I that thinks that it and the perceived other > can " get " something through the interchange of thiughts...... > > OK so far... > > > > As long as there is an I " employed " it are stuck in the conceptual > dream. > > rubbish.... > > and you know very well that is not true, Toom. > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > OK. It is not stuck in the dream......it IS the dream. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 7:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it cannot touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure... but is there anything wrong with thought " knowing " that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is limited? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sometimes that that is all it can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing wrong with anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how could anything be wrong..or right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it cannot touch > > > > > > > > > > > > > nontheless projects such realm....then it is back to duality. It is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > " wrong " or " right " ...just > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to the narrowness of conceptualy trying to understand what IS. Result: > > > > > > > > > > > > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......but you know you're talking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think there is someone listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you seem to think you know what you're asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think that you are talking to someone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are assuming monsters. > > > > > > > > > > drink some warm milk. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You assume to know what another is assuming? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > you seem to assume that. > > > > > > i don't assume anything. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > Bullshit. > > > > > > toombaru > > > that too is your assumption. > > > .b b.b. > I am assumption. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > i am. > > > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > > > i've been saying it over and over. > > > > > > first you disagreed.. > > > > > > now.. > > > > > > you want to agree because of what i said... > > > > > > about what you were saying. > > > > > > i NEVER said anything different. > > > > > > are you on the rag? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > Is that an assumption? > > > > > > toombaru > > > that's a question. > > do you know the difference? > > .b b.b. > A question is an assumption. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 7:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it cannot touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure... but is there anything wrong with thought " knowing " that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is limited? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sometimes that that is all it can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing wrong with anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how could anything be wrong..or right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it cannot touch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nontheless projects such realm....then it is back to duality. It is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " wrong " or " right " ...just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to the narrowness of conceptualy trying to understand what IS. Result: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......but you know you're talking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...but you know that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you seem to know what i do or do not know.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no ifs ands or buts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think we think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the hell are you asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's the you that asks? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't think! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have the where-with-all to offer advise to another? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you really believe that? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You tell me no to think and drink warm milk. > > > > > > > > Have I ask you to do anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > do you actually find this ego stuff important? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > Do you still think that I and my ego are separate? > > Do you still think that you can think about your ego? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > ok.. > > once again.. > > i don't think. > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > the i that goes by toombaru is no different. > > your no Socrates toomie. > > well you are.. > > as i am.. > > but those methods you attempt to employ.. > > you don't even run a close 10,000th with old Soc. > > > .b b.b. > > .b b.b. > You still think that a method is being employed? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 7:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it cannot touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure... but is there anything wrong with thought " knowing " that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is limited? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sometimes that that is all it can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing wrong with anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how could anything be wrong..or right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it cannot touch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nontheless projects such realm....then it is back to duality. It is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " wrong " or " right " ...just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to the narrowness of conceptualy trying to understand what IS. Result: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......but you know you're talking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...but you know that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you seem to know what i do or do not know.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no ifs ands or buts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think we think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the hell are you asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's the you that asks? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't think! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have the where-with-all to offer advise to another? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you really believe that? > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You tell me no to think and drink warm milk. > > > > > > > > > > Have I ask you to do anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > do you actually find this ego stuff important? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you still think that I and my ego are separate? > > > Do you still think that you can think about your ego? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > ok.. > > > > once again.. > > > > i don't think. > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > the i that goes by toombaru is no different. > > > > your no Socrates toomie. > > > > well you are.. > > > > as i am.. > > > > but those methods you attempt to employ.. > > > > you don't even run a close 10,000th with old Soc. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > .b b.b. and: > > of course... you have no choice... > > of course.... you don't think... > > of course.... you are fiction... > > of course.... the apparent world is a dream.. > > of course ALL that shit. > > you know what i mean.. > > even if i don't. > > but i won't assume. > > don't take any of this as advise. > > i understand now how fragile your sense of self is. > > sorry. > > .b b.b. > > .b b.b. > You think that you have a valid picture of me in your mind? 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 7:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it cannot touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure... but is there anything wrong with thought " knowing " that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is limited? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sometimes that that is all it can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing wrong with anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how could anything be wrong..or right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it cannot touch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nontheless projects such realm....then it is back to duality. It is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " wrong " or " right " ...just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to the narrowness of conceptualy trying to understand what IS. Result: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......but you know you're talking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...but you know that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you seem to know what i do or do not know.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i do not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no ifs ands or buts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think we think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who the hell are you asking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who's the you that asks? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't think! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have the where-with-all to offer advise to another? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you really believe that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You tell me no to think and drink warm milk. > > > > > > > > > > > > Have I ask you to do anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you actually find this ego stuff important? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you still think that I and my ego are separate? > > > > Do you still think that you can think about your ego? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > ok.. > > > > > > once again.. > > > > > > i don't think. > > > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > > > the i that goes by toombaru is no different. > > > > > > your no Socrates toomie. > > > > > > well you are.. > > > > > > as i am.. > > > > > > but those methods you attempt to employ.. > > > > > > you don't even run a close 10,000th with old Soc. > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and: > > > > of course... you have no choice... > > > > of course.... you don't think... > > > > of course.... you are fiction... > > > > of course.... the apparent world is a dream.. > > > > of course ALL that shit. > > > > you know what i mean.. > > > > even if i don't. > > > > but i won't assume. > > > > don't take any of this as advise. > > > > i understand now how fragile your sense of self is. > > > > sorry. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > .b b.b. > > > do i assume that you require an apology? > > i don't assume.. > > there is a thought that does.. > > but it's not 'mine " . > > it's crazy daddyo. > > .b b.b. > Do you think that you can offend me? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 > > ok.. > > once again.. > > i don't think. > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > the i that goes by toombaru is no different. > > your no Socrates toomie. > > well you are.. > > as i am.. > > but those methods you attempt to employ.. > > you don't even run a close 10,000th with old Soc. > > > .b b.b. > > > Socrates is dead. It's just me and you babe. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > roberibus111 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 7:32 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it cannot touch. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure... but is there anything wrong with thought " knowing " that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is limited? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel sometimes that that is all it can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there's nothing wrong with anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how could anything be wrong..or right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that it cannot touch > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nontheless projects such realm....then it is back to duality. It is not > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " wrong " or " right " ...just > > > > > > > > > > > > > > back to the narrowness of conceptualy trying to understand what IS. Result: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > conflict. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm talking about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ......but you know you're talking? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are you listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think there is someone listening? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you seem to think you know what you're asking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You think that you are talking to someone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are assuming monsters. > > > > > > > > > > > > drink some warm milk. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You assume to know what another is assuming? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > you seem to assume that. > > > > > > > > i don't assume anything. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bullshit. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > that too is your assumption. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > I am assumption. > > > > toombaru good for you! and pretty good for assumption too i guess. i will invite you to my assumption into heaven... after i descend on a few more as the holy ghost beforehand. as if there was a before. yuk yuk. ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > i am. > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > > > > > i've been saying it over and over. > > > > > > > > first you disagreed.. > > > > > > > > now.. > > > > > > > > you want to agree because of what i said... > > > > > > > > about what you were saying. > > > > > > > > i NEVER said anything different. > > > > > > > > are you on the rag? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is that an assumption? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > that's a question. > > > > do you know the difference? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > A question is an assumption. > > > > toombaru no. a question is: a sentence of inquiry that asks for a reply. an assumption is: a statement that is assumed to be true.. and from which a conclusion can be drawn. a question can contain an assumption.. by an implication made in tone or wording... but is itself NOT an assumption.. an assumption questions nothing not even itself. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > i am. > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > > > > > i've been saying it over and over. > > > > > > > > first you disagreed.. > > > > > > > > now.. > > > > > > > > you want to agree because of what i said... > > > > > > > > about what you were saying. > > > > > > > > i NEVER said anything different. > > > > > > > > are you on the rag? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is that an assumption? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > that's a question. > > > > do you know the difference? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > A question is an assumption. > > > > toombaru no. a question is: a sentence of inquiry that asks for a reply. an assumption is: a statement that is assumed to be true.. and from which a conclusion can be drawn. a question can contain an assumption.. by an implication made in tone or wording... but is itself NOT an assumption.. an assumption questions nothing not even itself. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
