Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " dan330033@ wrote: > > > > Yes, they are retired and at play in the fields of the lord. > > > > Lol - > > > > It's good what you said about attention collapsing into the now. > > > > It's a good metaphor. > > > > Words are based on metaphor. > > > > And here we are wildly using words to discuss the space between the > words. > > Is it not the 'space between the words' actually doing all the discussing? > > Words emanate from 'space'. > > Words don't go in, though. > > Anyone ever noticed that? ;-). yes I see it as like mathematics. I can have a mathematical idea in a few seconds that might take a day to write down. What is written down is like a " recipe " for " reconstituting " the idea in the brain of another mathematician. In the same way, the words here are how we transmit what is not-words to one another. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > In the same way, the words here are how we transmit > what is not-words to one another. This is where we part ways... I don't see any sort of 'transmission' taking place. It isn't possible. I don't mean there aren't apparent body/minds walking around. But the Self hears itself, and speaks to itself. Communication is a myth... there are not two of us to communicate. When I speak to you, I speak to me. When I read your words, I read my words. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > == > > > Why do you differentiate an object from its awareness? Are they not the > > > same? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > Yes and no. > > > > As diversity is unicity is diversity. > > > > Because they are the same they differentiate. > > > > Because they differentiate they are the same. > > > > Thus, I experience an apple. > > > > An apple is red, is on the table. > > > > I can walk to the table and pick up the apple. > > > > I can touch it and taste it. > > > > I am aware of the apple, but I am not the apple. > > > > Thus, I can see the apple and its color, and can decide to eat it, or not. > > > > And, at the same moment, the awareness of the apple and the apple are not to. > > > > Apple is awareness is apple. > > > > I am apple is I is nothing/nowhere is all, includes the entirety. > > > > All this is immediate, is now. > > > > The now-ing of the apple. > > > > The now-ing of being aware. > > > > The now-ing of diversity and mulitiplicty. > > > > The now-ing of unicity and nonseparation. > > > > The now-ing of time, the timing of now. > > > > being time. > > > > this sort of thing makes you feel proud of yourself. Please, allow me, let Hanif take her knife to this nonsense. why so proud, old fart? > > it shouldn't. it should. > > it's putrid and petrifies the phony self.. you are putrid, my dear, but your phony self is all but petrified. your phony self is all over this website. > > into believing in itself and it's vapid rhapsodies. ooh, you know this so well, sweetheart. > > it's all so much simpler and natural than that crap. spoken like a real old timer, someone in the Big Know. are you a guru, you old fart? > > that stuff isn't entertaining or amusing. what stuff are you talking about, you stuffy old fart? > > it's distracting and props up dreamscapes of no value. distracting for who? does it distract you from writing up these condescending blessings, you old quack? LOL! > do something. did you get that one from the Guru Workshop? do something? do what, you decrepit old fart? do like you? Okay, I do like you: do something. LOL! > > .b b.b. LOL! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , "Tim G." <fewtch wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "billrishel" illusyn@ wrote:> >> > In the same way, the words here are how we transmit> > what is not-words to one another.> > This is where we part ways... I don't see any sort of 'transmission' taking place. It isn't possible.> > I don't mean there aren't apparent body/minds walking around. But the Self hears itself, and speaks to itself. Communication is a myth... there are not two of us to communicate.> > When I speak to you, I speak to me. When I read your words, I read my words.You have a point.But I don't mean transmission of "messages"but of massages....the emptiness tickles itself with the foam of words.And you don't just read your words, you readall of our words.There is nothing insular about any of this.This is all one Glorious Tumble.Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " hanif.knife " <hanif.knife wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > == > > > > Why do you differentiate an object from its awareness? Are they not the > > > > same? > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > Yes and no. > > > > > > As diversity is unicity is diversity. > > > > > > Because they are the same they differentiate. > > > > > > Because they differentiate they are the same. > > > > > > Thus, I experience an apple. > > > > > > An apple is red, is on the table. > > > > > > I can walk to the table and pick up the apple. > > > > > > I can touch it and taste it. > > > > > > I am aware of the apple, but I am not the apple. > > > > > > Thus, I can see the apple and its color, and can decide to eat it, or not. > > > > > > And, at the same moment, the awareness of the apple and the apple are not to. > > > > > > Apple is awareness is apple. > > > > > > I am apple is I is nothing/nowhere is all, includes the entirety. > > > > > > All this is immediate, is now. > > > > > > The now-ing of the apple. > > > > > > The now-ing of being aware. > > > > > > The now-ing of diversity and mulitiplicty. > > > > > > The now-ing of unicity and nonseparation. > > > > > > The now-ing of time, the timing of now. > > > > > > being time. > > > > > > this sort of thing makes you feel proud of yourself. > > Please, allow me, let Hanif take her knife to this nonsense. why so proud, old fart? > > > > it shouldn't. > > it should. > > > > it's putrid and petrifies the phony self.. > > you are putrid, my dear, but your phony self is all but petrified. your phony self is all over this website. > > > > into believing in itself and it's vapid rhapsodies. > > ooh, you know this so well, sweetheart. > > > > it's all so much simpler and natural than that crap. > > spoken like a real old timer, someone in the Big Know. are you a guru, you old fart? > > > > that stuff isn't entertaining or amusing. > > what stuff are you talking about, you stuffy old fart? > > > > it's distracting and props up dreamscapes of no value. > > distracting for who? does it distract you from writing up these condescending blessings, you old quack? > > LOL! > > > do something. > > did you get that one from the Guru Workshop? do something? do what, you decrepit old fart? do like you? Okay, I do like you: do something. > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > LOL! ROFLMAO! yes if you do as as i do as to doing something... all is good. hanif... you look like your going to be a splendid toy to play with. i rejoice in toying with the stupid. now keep them hot juices flowing dear.. you know..that hate.. that feeling of " personal " affront.. that..well that stupidity. it's got you jumping around like a little mad monkey. that's so cute! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hanif.knife " <hanif.knife@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > == > > > > > Why do you differentiate an object from its awareness? Are they not the > > > > > same? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes and no. > > > > > > > > As diversity is unicity is diversity. > > > > > > > > Because they are the same they differentiate. > > > > > > > > Because they differentiate they are the same. > > > > > > > > Thus, I experience an apple. > > > > > > > > An apple is red, is on the table. > > > > > > > > I can walk to the table and pick up the apple. > > > > > > > > I can touch it and taste it. > > > > > > > > I am aware of the apple, but I am not the apple. > > > > > > > > Thus, I can see the apple and its color, and can decide to eat it, or not. > > > > > > > > And, at the same moment, the awareness of the apple and the apple are not to. > > > > > > > > Apple is awareness is apple. > > > > > > > > I am apple is I is nothing/nowhere is all, includes the entirety. > > > > > > > > All this is immediate, is now. > > > > > > > > The now-ing of the apple. > > > > > > > > The now-ing of being aware. > > > > > > > > The now-ing of diversity and mulitiplicty. > > > > > > > > The now-ing of unicity and nonseparation. > > > > > > > > The now-ing of time, the timing of now. > > > > > > > > being time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this sort of thing makes you feel proud of yourself. > > > > Please, allow me, let Hanif take her knife to this nonsense. why so proud, old fart? > > > > > > it shouldn't. > > > > it should. > > > > > > it's putrid and petrifies the phony self.. > > > > you are putrid, my dear, but your phony self is all but petrified. your phony self is all over this website. > > > > > > into believing in itself and it's vapid rhapsodies. > > > > ooh, you know this so well, sweetheart. > > > > > > it's all so much simpler and natural than that crap. > > > > spoken like a real old timer, someone in the Big Know. are you a guru, you old fart? > > > > > > that stuff isn't entertaining or amusing. > > > > what stuff are you talking about, you stuffy old fart? > > > > > > it's distracting and props up dreamscapes of no value. > > > > distracting for who? does it distract you from writing up these condescending blessings, you old quack? > > > > LOL! > > > > > do something. > > > > did you get that one from the Guru Workshop? do something? do what, you decrepit old fart? do like you? Okay, I do like you: do something. > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > LOL! > > > ROFLMAO! > > yes if you do as as i do as to doing something... > > all is good. > > hanif... > > you look like your going to be a splendid toy to play with. > > i rejoice in toying with the stupid. > > now keep them hot juices flowing dear.. > > you know..that hate.. > > that feeling of " personal " affront.. > > that..well that stupidity. > > it's got you jumping around like a little mad monkey. > > that's so cute! > > :-) > > .b b.b. hanif babe.. your profile says you joined May 2009.. like now.. and you have seen me all over this website? you blew your cover stupid. just so's ya know kiddo. LOL! with a condescending blessing i remain: ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > I'd go so far as to view memory as involved in dealing with toxins that are recognized as such in the blood. > > > > Because perception and awareness are interconnected, and memory is > interwined with awareness recognizing (forming) structure, memory > > is involved in any structure that can be perceived, including atoms > and electrons. > > > > Atoms have atomic awarenesses, by the way, just as galaxies have > > galactic awarenesses. I have this on good authority, mind you. > > Hah ;-). I'll defer to your " superior authority " for this view on memory. Quite a construction. I'm a simple fellow, and don't have this sort of view on memory. From here, if something is remembered there's memory involved... and if the mind is quiet and no memory arises, there's no memory (awareness is quite capable of being aware of the absence of thought). I'm not one to postulate invisible stuffs. For me, any image involves memory. Including the image of being still and silent. Any human experience is an image. Any idea or sense of awareness involves memory. I understand that Niz used awareness to mean that which is beyond memory and doesn't involve memory. The reason that seems limited is that awareness has a meaning, and therefore has an opposite condition (e.g. something that is not aware). Again, I know he used the word meaning that which has no opposite, so that everything is included in awareness. However, that seems limited because you take a word that has a meaning then expand that word to be all-inclusive but still retain the word. And any word expanded to all-inclusion necessarily loses any meaning because there is no opposite condition. So, this is what I mean by using the term " awarenesses " - one is many and many is one - and beyond that we reach a limit of words. Words have meaning because memory is involved. Memory confers the sense of meaning to experience. Any human experience is involves a sense of meaning, or it can't be recalled. Even an experience of one millisecond ago, recalled in any aspect, involves memory. What humans call our present experience is actually a memory reverberation. We infer a present moment that is becoming the past as it registers in memory. However, there is no actual " passing into memory. " Examine this now. Is there any sensing of an actual present passing into memory? You can't find it. Not if you take a clean, hard look. There is only memory reverberation, and the greater intensity of a portion of the reverberation is classified as " present. " Thus, people with PTSD can experience what others think is long past as present. The actual present isn't recalled, doesn't involve memory, isn't a human experience, isn't divided into past, present, future. The memory system is a thought system is an image-oriented system. Of course, nothing exists outside the actual present, the now. And this now, being all-inclusive, reaches a point where the word can't be used, it has lost meaning. Just like " awareness. " So there are nows and now. Many are one is many. Now = awareness = infinity = zero. This zero is not experienced and includes all experience. Once one knows, the words don't matter. One understands, and now is the word which has no meaning because it is all inclusive. " Before beginning, is the Word. " That which is not experience has no word, no memory, no reverberation as a so-called " present human experience. " Yet, as a human I love to share words about this wordless word. What is it to simultaneously be a human and experiencing, and beyond human and experiences? What is it to be dream and dream-stuff at once? An indian guy said it's to be the lotus that lives floating on water and doesn't get wet. A zen guy called it the flute with no holes. A tao guy said, in the beginning was chaos. Then someone poked holes in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > laughter mak'um good medicine.... > > and the best laughter is when the > joke is on ourselves and we know it. > > Bill So, so true. I played a joke on myself. I dreamed I was the dream dreaming. I woke up and laughed at the dream of myself waking up. The dream laughed at itself. The echo of the laugh filled the dreamspace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > > > In the same way, the words here are how we transmit > > > what is not-words to one another. > > > > This is where we part ways... I don't see any sort of 'transmission' > taking place. It isn't possible. > > > > I don't mean there aren't apparent body/minds walking around. But the > Self hears itself, and speaks to itself. Communication is a myth... > there are not two of us to communicate. > > > > When I speak to you, I speak to me. When I read your words, I read my > words. > > You have a point. > > But I don't mean transmission of " messages " > but of massages.... > the emptiness tickles itself with the foam > of words. > > And you don't just read your words, you read > all of our words. > > There is nothing insular about any of this. > > This is all one Glorious Tumble. > > Bill Yes, there is no insularity. Thus one is many is singularity nonexclusive. The fruitfulness that is one. The blossoming of one, in which the blossoming is itself the one that blossoms. The verb is the noun that is verbing, that re-verberates. I am no un. I-verb. Re-verb. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > laughter mak'um good medicine.... > > > > and the best laughter is when the > > joke is on ourselves and we know it. > > > > Bill > > So, so true. > > I played a joke on myself. > > I dreamed I was the dream dreaming. > > I woke up and laughed at the dream of myself waking up. > > The dream laughed at itself. > > The echo of the laugh filled the dreamspace. Like Chaung Tzu's butterfly! Here's a dream description that I shared here a while back (actual dream). I think you'll see the humor.... Dream Someone attempting to escape from a library. I see his escape route and go to head him off. But an old man is in my way. It looks like I won't get there in time. Then, just starting to awaken, I put the whole dream into quotes. And now I have him, captured inside the quotes. There's no escape. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > In the same way, the words here are how we transmit > > > > what is not-words to one another. > > > > > > This is where we part ways... I don't see any sort of 'transmission' > > taking place. It isn't possible. > > > > > > I don't mean there aren't apparent body/minds walking around. But the > > Self hears itself, and speaks to itself. Communication is a myth... > > there are not two of us to communicate. > > > > > > When I speak to you, I speak to me. When I read your words, I read my > > words. > > > > You have a point. > > > > But I don't mean transmission of " messages " > > but of massages.... > > the emptiness tickles itself with the foam > > of words. > > > > And you don't just read your words, you read > > all of our words. > > > > There is nothing insular about any of this. > > > > This is all one Glorious Tumble. > > > > Bill > > > Yes, there is no insularity. > > Thus one is many is singularity nonexclusive. > > The fruitfulness that is one. > > The blossoming of one, in which the blossoming is itself the one that blossoms. > > The verb is the noun that is verbing, that re-verberates. > > I am no un. > > I-verb. > > Re-verb. Wow Dan.... Thank you for the beauty...... a dazzling display of words showing Silence a thing or two. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In the same way, the words here are how we transmit > > > > > what is not-words to one another. > > > > > > > > This is where we part ways... I don't see any sort of > 'transmission' > > > taking place. It isn't possible. > > > > > > > > I don't mean there aren't apparent body/minds walking around. But > the > > > Self hears itself, and speaks to itself. Communication is a myth... > > > there are not two of us to communicate. > > > > > > > > When I speak to you, I speak to me. When I read your words, I > read my > > > words. > > > > > > You have a point. > > > > > > But I don't mean transmission of " messages " > > > but of massages.... > > > the emptiness tickles itself with the foam > > > of words. > > > > > > And you don't just read your words, you read > > > all of our words. > > > > > > There is nothing insular about any of this. > > > > > > This is all one Glorious Tumble. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Yes, there is no insularity. > > > > Thus one is many is singularity nonexclusive. > > > > The fruitfulness that is one. > > > > The blossoming of one, in which the blossoming is itself the one that > blossoms. > > > > The verb is the noun that is verbing, that re-verberates. > > > > I am no un. > > > > I-verb. > > > > Re-verb. > > > Wow Dan.... > > Thank you for the beauty...... > > a dazzling display of words > > showing Silence a thing or two. > > Bill LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In the same way, the words here are how we transmit > > > > > what is not-words to one another. > > > > > > > > This is where we part ways... I don't see any sort of > 'transmission' > > > taking place. It isn't possible. > > > > > > > > I don't mean there aren't apparent body/minds walking around. But > the > > > Self hears itself, and speaks to itself. Communication is a myth... > > > there are not two of us to communicate. > > > > > > > > When I speak to you, I speak to me. When I read your words, I > read my > > > words. > > > > > > You have a point. > > > > > > But I don't mean transmission of " messages " > > > but of massages.... > > > the emptiness tickles itself with the foam > > > of words. > > > > > > And you don't just read your words, you read > > > all of our words. > > > > > > There is nothing insular about any of this. > > > > > > This is all one Glorious Tumble. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > Yes, there is no insularity. > > > > Thus one is many is singularity nonexclusive. > > > > The fruitfulness that is one. > > > > The blossoming of one, in which the blossoming is itself the one that > blossoms. > > > > The verb is the noun that is verbing, that re-verberates. > > > > I am no un. > > > > I-verb. > > > > Re-verb. > > > Wow Dan.... > > Thank you for the beauty...... > > a dazzling display of words > > showing Silence a thing or two. > > Bill P: Ha, ha! Blind men discussing colors. Your conversation, gave me and idea for a flash story: A blind couple loved to sit on a bench at a park located near a railroad track. In early summer the train came by at sunset. One day, a man sat next to them and remarked pointing at the sky, " lovely, don't you think? " Yes, I love the sound of its whistle, " said the wife. " I love the rumble of its wheels, " said the husband. Realizing, now, they were blind, and not wanting to be disagreeable, the man said, " Yes, lovely, and I like the way it makes the bench vibrate. " Pete > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Wow Dan.... > > Thank you for the beauty...... > > a dazzling display of words > > showing Silence a thing or two. > > Bill And a bow to you. Our display lights up, and dissolves. Awareness lights and dissolves. Experience forms dissolves. Now, now, now. Mountain. Nothing. Mountain. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In the same way, the words here are how we transmit > > > > > > what is not-words to one another. > > > > > > > > > > This is where we part ways... I don't see any sort of > > 'transmission' > > > > taking place. It isn't possible. > > > > > > > > > > I don't mean there aren't apparent body/minds walking around. But > > the > > > > Self hears itself, and speaks to itself. Communication is a myth... > > > > there are not two of us to communicate. > > > > > > > > > > When I speak to you, I speak to me. When I read your words, I > > read my > > > > words. > > > > > > > > You have a point. > > > > > > > > But I don't mean transmission of " messages " > > > > but of massages.... > > > > the emptiness tickles itself with the foam > > > > of words. > > > > > > > > And you don't just read your words, you read > > > > all of our words. > > > > > > > > There is nothing insular about any of this. > > > > > > > > This is all one Glorious Tumble. > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > Yes, there is no insularity. > > > > > > Thus one is many is singularity nonexclusive. > > > > > > The fruitfulness that is one. > > > > > > The blossoming of one, in which the blossoming is itself the one that > > blossoms. > > > > > > The verb is the noun that is verbing, that re-verberates. > > > > > > I am no un. > > > > > > I-verb. > > > > > > Re-verb. > > > > > > Wow Dan.... > > > > Thank you for the beauty...... > > > > a dazzling display of words > > > > showing Silence a thing or two. > > > > Bill > > > > > > LOL! > > .b b.b. Thank you for your beautiful laugh, Bob. -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > P: Ha, ha! Blind men discussing colors. > Your conversation, gave me and idea > for a flash story: > > A blind couple loved to sit on a bench > at a park located near a railroad > track. In early summer the train came > by at sunset. One day, a man sat next > to them and remarked pointing at the sky, > " lovely, don't you think? > > " Yes, I love the sound of its whistle, " > said the wife. > > " I love the rumble of its wheels, " said > the husband. > > Realizing, now, they were blind, and not > wanting to be disagreeable, the man said, > > " Yes, lovely, and I like the way it > makes the bench vibrate. " > > Pete " Oh, me too, " she sighed. Ain't love wunnderful? Hey, good hearing from you, Pete. Remember, there is none so blind as he who has both his eyes poked out with a sharp stick. Ouch! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > Wow Dan.... > > > > Thank you for the beauty...... > > > > a dazzling display of words > > > > showing Silence a thing or two. > > > > Bill > > > And a bow to you. > > Our display lights up, and dissolves. > > Awareness lights and dissolves. > > Experience forms dissolves. > > Now, now, now. > > Mountain. > > Nothing. > > Mountain. > Maybe you are right... I don't know... Just seems always filled with light... so much so that if mountain/nothing/mountain not noticed as if everything bleached out by light. I just don't know. Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " illusyn@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the same way, the words here are how we transmit > > > > > > > what is not-words to one another. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is where we part ways... I don't see any sort of > > > 'transmission' > > > > > taking place. It isn't possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't mean there aren't apparent body/minds walking around. But > > > the > > > > > Self hears itself, and speaks to itself. Communication is a myth... > > > > > there are not two of us to communicate. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I speak to you, I speak to me. When I read your words, I > > > read my > > > > > words. > > > > > > > > > > You have a point. > > > > > > > > > > But I don't mean transmission of " messages " > > > > > but of massages.... > > > > > the emptiness tickles itself with the foam > > > > > of words. > > > > > > > > > > And you don't just read your words, you read > > > > > all of our words. > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing insular about any of this. > > > > > > > > > > This is all one Glorious Tumble. > > > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, there is no insularity. > > > > > > > > Thus one is many is singularity nonexclusive. > > > > > > > > The fruitfulness that is one. > > > > > > > > The blossoming of one, in which the blossoming is itself the one that > > > blossoms. > > > > > > > > The verb is the noun that is verbing, that re-verberates. > > > > > > > > I am no un. > > > > > > > > I-verb. > > > > > > > > Re-verb. > > > > > > > > > Wow Dan.... > > > > > > Thank you for the beauty...... > > > > > > a dazzling display of words > > > > > > showing Silence a thing or two. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > Thank you for your beautiful laugh, Bob. > > > -- Dan it's nothing danny. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow Dan.... > > > > > > Thank you for the beauty...... > > > > > > a dazzling display of words > > > > > > showing Silence a thing or two. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > And a bow to you. > > > > Our display lights up, and dissolves. > > > > Awareness lights and dissolves. > > > > Experience forms dissolves. > > > > Now, now, now. > > > > Mountain. > > > > Nothing. > > > > Mountain. > > > > Maybe you are right... > > I don't know... > > Just seems always filled with light... > > so much so that if mountain/nothing/mountain > > not noticed > > as if everything bleached out by light. > > > I just don't know. > > > Bill gee..i do. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > P: Ha, ha! Blind men discussing colors. > > Your conversation, gave me and idea > > for a flash story: > > > > A blind couple loved to sit on a bench > > at a park located near a railroad > > track. In early summer the train came > > by at sunset. One day, a man sat next > > to them and remarked pointing at the sky, > > " lovely, don't you think? > > > > " Yes, I love the sound of its whistle, " > > said the wife. > > > > " I love the rumble of its wheels, " said > > the husband. > > > > Realizing, now, they were blind, and not > > wanting to be disagreeable, the man said, > > > > " Yes, lovely, and I like the way it > > makes the bench vibrate. " > > > > Pete > > " Oh, me too, " she sighed. > > Ain't love wunnderful? > > Hey, good hearing from you, Pete. P: Good to hear from you, Dan. You have brought live to the list, but you're a strange attractor. You attracted, Bill. In that case, you're the cat which brought a dead mouse for Christmas. Nah, Bill, is OK, just that he sells words by the pound, and wisdom by the pinch. > > Remember, there is none so blind as he who has both his eyes poked out with a sharp stick. > > Ouch! P: Didn't Christ said, " if the eye of your neighbor offend thee, poke it out, but if it's your own, get new lenses? " Well, I buy my bibles and Walmart. I think they are printed in China. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " hanif.knife " <hanif.knife@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > == > > > > > Why do you differentiate an object from its awareness? Are they not the > > > > > same? > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes and no. > > > > > > > > As diversity is unicity is diversity. > > > > > > > > Because they are the same they differentiate. > > > > > > > > Because they differentiate they are the same. > > > > > > > > Thus, I experience an apple. > > > > > > > > An apple is red, is on the table. > > > > > > > > I can walk to the table and pick up the apple. > > > > > > > > I can touch it and taste it. > > > > > > > > I am aware of the apple, but I am not the apple. > > > > > > > > Thus, I can see the apple and its color, and can decide to eat it, or not. > > > > > > > > And, at the same moment, the awareness of the apple and the apple are not to. > > > > > > > > Apple is awareness is apple. > > > > > > > > I am apple is I is nothing/nowhere is all, includes the entirety. > > > > > > > > All this is immediate, is now. > > > > > > > > The now-ing of the apple. > > > > > > > > The now-ing of being aware. > > > > > > > > The now-ing of diversity and mulitiplicty. > > > > > > > > The now-ing of unicity and nonseparation. > > > > > > > > The now-ing of time, the timing of now. > > > > > > > > being time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this sort of thing makes you feel proud of yourself. > > > > Please, allow me, let Hanif take her knife to this nonsense. why so proud, old fart? > > > > > > it shouldn't. > > > > it should. > > > > > > it's putrid and petrifies the phony self.. > > > > you are putrid, my dear, but your phony self is all but petrified. your phony self is all over this website. > > > > > > into believing in itself and it's vapid rhapsodies. > > > > ooh, you know this so well, sweetheart. > > > > > > it's all so much simpler and natural than that crap. > > > > spoken like a real old timer, someone in the Big Know. are you a guru, you old fart? > > > > > > that stuff isn't entertaining or amusing. > > > > what stuff are you talking about, you stuffy old fart? > > > > > > it's distracting and props up dreamscapes of no value. > > > > distracting for who? does it distract you from writing up these condescending blessings, you old quack? > > > > LOL! > > > > > do something. > > > > did you get that one from the Guru Workshop? do something? do what, you decrepit old fart? do like you? Okay, I do like you: do something. > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > LOL! > > Allow Hanif to apply her knife... > ROFLMAO! Is it a rug you roll on, or is it hard wood? > > yes if you do as as i do as to doing something... va do do do, va da da da, that's all I want to say to you... > > all is good. all is good. > > hanif... > hanif, indeed > you look like your going to be a splendid toy to play with. hanif plays > > i rejoice in toying with the stupid. you love toying with the stupid, stupidly toying, stupid, every word a stupid toy, sending you rolling, rolling on rug or hardwood, hot juices flowing, toying, toying, toying with the stupid, what is your stupid toy? what does it look like? is it in your hand now? toying, toying, stupid toy. > > now keep them hot juices flowing dear.. hot juices, my word old man, juices > > you know..that hate.. is hate a tone of voice? what does that tone sound like? or is it a special arrangement of words on a screen? is it your projection onto a special arrangement of words on a screen? do you hate yourself? what is it about yourself do you hate? do these words sound like hate? what is the tone of these words? what is hate? tell me about hate, hot juicy playful old man of the stupid toy. tell me about your hate for stupid toys. tell me about stupid toy hate and juice and rolling. > > that feeling of " personal " affront.. do you have personal affront with these words, this screen, your fingers on keys, your voice, this mirror, the thing in your mirror, looking at you from this mirror, what is your personal affront? what tone do you give it? what color? what do you add, what do you subtract? what is it you are making? > > that..well that stupidity. > stupidity, the stupid toy, the hate, the hot juice: tell me old man, what is it you are doing in there? > it's got you jumping around like a little mad monkey. > and mad monkeys now too, rolling around laughing with mad monkeys and stupid toys in hot juice... LOL! Kindly, laughing, laughing, with tears in my eyes, laughing so loud, but kindly, kindly, aha ha ha, laughing kind in kind > that's so cute! I'm not sure cute is the word, but okay. > > :-) : - ) > > .b b.b. LOL! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " hanif.knife " <hanif.knife wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " hanif.knife " <hanif.knife@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > == > > > > > > Why do you differentiate an object from its awareness? Are they not the > > > > > > same? > > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes and no. > > > > > > > > > > As diversity is unicity is diversity. > > > > > > > > > > Because they are the same they differentiate. > > > > > > > > > > Because they differentiate they are the same. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, I experience an apple. > > > > > > > > > > An apple is red, is on the table. > > > > > > > > > > I can walk to the table and pick up the apple. > > > > > > > > > > I can touch it and taste it. > > > > > > > > > > I am aware of the apple, but I am not the apple. > > > > > > > > > > Thus, I can see the apple and its color, and can decide to eat it, or not. > > > > > > > > > > And, at the same moment, the awareness of the apple and the apple are not to. > > > > > > > > > > Apple is awareness is apple. > > > > > > > > > > I am apple is I is nothing/nowhere is all, includes the entirety. > > > > > > > > > > All this is immediate, is now. > > > > > > > > > > The now-ing of the apple. > > > > > > > > > > The now-ing of being aware. > > > > > > > > > > The now-ing of diversity and mulitiplicty. > > > > > > > > > > The now-ing of unicity and nonseparation. > > > > > > > > > > The now-ing of time, the timing of now. > > > > > > > > > > being time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this sort of thing makes you feel proud of yourself. > > > > > > Please, allow me, let Hanif take her knife to this nonsense. why so proud, old fart? > > > > > > > > it shouldn't. > > > > > > it should. > > > > > > > > it's putrid and petrifies the phony self.. > > > > > > you are putrid, my dear, but your phony self is all but petrified. your phony self is all over this website. > > > > > > > > into believing in itself and it's vapid rhapsodies. > > > > > > ooh, you know this so well, sweetheart. > > > > > > > > it's all so much simpler and natural than that crap. > > > > > > spoken like a real old timer, someone in the Big Know. are you a guru, you old fart? > > > > > > > > that stuff isn't entertaining or amusing. > > > > > > what stuff are you talking about, you stuffy old fart? > > > > > > > > it's distracting and props up dreamscapes of no value. > > > > > > distracting for who? does it distract you from writing up these condescending blessings, you old quack? > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > do something. > > > > > > did you get that one from the Guru Workshop? do something? do what, you decrepit old fart? do like you? Okay, I do like you: do something. > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > Allow Hanif to apply her knife... > > > ROFLMAO! > > Is it a rug you roll on, or is it hard wood? > > > > yes if you do as as i do as to doing something... > > va do do do, va da da da, that's all I want to say to you... > > > > all is good. > > all is good. > > > > hanif... > > > hanif, indeed > > > you look like your going to be a splendid toy to play with. > > hanif plays > > > > i rejoice in toying with the stupid. > > you love toying with the stupid, stupidly toying, stupid, every word a stupid toy, sending you rolling, rolling on rug or hardwood, hot juices flowing, toying, toying, toying with the stupid, what is your stupid toy? what does it look like? is it in your hand now? toying, toying, stupid toy. > > > > now keep them hot juices flowing dear.. > > hot juices, my word old man, juices > > > > you know..that hate.. > > is hate a tone of voice? what does that tone sound like? or is it a special arrangement of words on a screen? is it your projection onto a special arrangement of words on a screen? do you hate yourself? what is it about yourself do you hate? do these words sound like hate? what is the tone of these words? what is hate? tell me about hate, hot juicy playful old man of the stupid toy. tell me about your hate for stupid toys. tell me about stupid toy hate and juice and rolling. > > > > that feeling of " personal " affront.. > > do you have personal affront with these words, this screen, your fingers on keys, your voice, this mirror, the thing in your mirror, looking at you from this mirror, what is your personal affront? what tone do you give it? what color? what do you add, what do you subtract? what is it you are making? > > > > that..well that stupidity. > > > stupidity, the stupid toy, the hate, the hot juice: tell me old man, what is it you are doing in there? > > > it's got you jumping around like a little mad monkey. > > > and mad monkeys now too, rolling around laughing with mad monkeys and stupid toys in hot juice... > > LOL! Kindly, laughing, laughing, with tears in my eyes, laughing so loud, but kindly, kindly, aha ha ha, laughing kind in kind > > > that's so cute! > > I'm not sure cute is the word, but okay. > > > > :-) > > : - ) > > > > .b b.b. > > LOL! how droll. that's enough said. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow Dan.... > > > > > > Thank you for the beauty...... > > > > > > a dazzling display of words > > > > > > showing Silence a thing or two. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > And a bow to you. > > > > Our display lights up, and dissolves. > > > > Awareness lights and dissolves. > > > > Experience forms dissolves. > > > > Now, now, now. > > > > Mountain. > > > > Nothing. > > > > Mountain. > > > > Maybe you are right... > > I don't know... > > Just seems always filled with light... > > so much so that if mountain/nothing/mountain > > not noticed > > as if everything bleached out by light. > > > I just don't know. > > > Bill Bill - Is the kind of understanding we're discussing the matter of having a certain kind of experience? Like having more light enter your experience? Or having an experience that goes on and off? I rather view the understanding we're discussing as simultaneously transcending any experiential component or qualities, and inclusive of any experience that happens. For the now-moment of experiential awareness, one is that experience. Not that this is special for a particular person. All persons are experiential/aware beings (sentient critters), and thus each person is an experience for/of/as awareness, and thus all persons are included. At the same time, one is not any experience at all. Yes/no on/off -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Dan: You've got way too much thought/thinking in this message. You don't want me to take a " long, hard look " , you want me to have a long, hard think about what you're saying. No, thanks. Can we keep it simpler? I don't want you to do anything. It is simple. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Blind men discussing colors. > > > Your conversation, gave me and idea > > > for a flash story: > > > > > > A blind couple loved to sit on a bench > > > at a park located near a railroad > > > track. In early summer the train came > > > by at sunset. One day, a man sat next > > > to them and remarked pointing at the sky, > > > " lovely, don't you think? > > > > > > " Yes, I love the sound of its whistle, " > > > said the wife. > > > > > > " I love the rumble of its wheels, " said > > > the husband. > > > > > > Realizing, now, they were blind, and not > > > wanting to be disagreeable, the man said, > > > > > > " Yes, lovely, and I like the way it > > > makes the bench vibrate. " > > > > > > Pete > > > > " Oh, me too, " she sighed. > > > > Ain't love wunnderful? > > > > Hey, good hearing from you, Pete. > > P: Good to hear from you, Dan. You have > brought live to the list, but you're > a strange attractor. You attracted, Bill. > In that case, you're the cat which brought > a dead mouse for Christmas. Nah, Bill, is > OK, just that he sells words by the pound, > and wisdom by the pinch. D: LOL! > > Remember, there is none so blind as he who has both his eyes poked out with a sharp stick. > > > > Ouch! > > P: Didn't Christ said, " if the eye of your > neighbor offend thee, poke it out, but if > it's your own, get new lenses? " Well, I buy > my bibles and Walmart. I think they are printed > in China. D: Still laughing - good stuff. I am glad to meet a real scholar. Those bibles from China don't leave out any of the good stuff. And please, suffer the little children to come to me, so I can kick them in the shins, and they'll really know about suffering. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
