Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Don't know. > > You say something.......something here responds. > > Dan or b.b.b says something and something here is stimulated to articulate itself. > > Bill and Anna speak and their words elicit a response. > > Tim and Michael comment and the neurons in this head do their thing. > > Bill and Anna and Tim and Dan are just words sitting on a computer screen that we may project as " people out there " . Yet, they remain just words on a computer screen. The word " Michael " is no different than the word " tree " . and as Ordained from On High.. it has been given unto you this day.. Good News! the Understanding by elimination of naming.. the most Unnameable and Unknown: ..b b.b. this is the Great Recognition: " he " (.b b.b.) is " something else " . not being: " just words sitting on a computer screen.. that we may project as " people out there " .( " we " ?).. Yet, they remain just words on a computer screen... ...snip...is no different than the word " tree " . that's just for the bills...tims...annas...dans..and michaels... ......out there. ..b b.b. is not of that kind... but rather.. " special " . you have been blessed with this discernment. but i don't give a damn. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just offered words. > > > > > > > > > > > > Which you say are just words and mean whatever I want them to mean. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't want them to mean anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > You haven't blown over anything, just put out words that you say > > > > > > don't mean anything. > > > > > > > > > > Would you know whether I've blown over anything? > > > > > > > > > > Are you here? > > > > > > > > > > Is any " you " ever here? > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > Only " I " am here. > > > > > > > > > > Aren't I, the reader of this message, here? > > > > > > > > > > Are you, the writer, here? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I am here. > > > > > > > > Yes, this is I. > > > > > > > > Yes, I do get it. > > > > > > > > Yes, you are hitting me over the head with it. > > > > > > Sorry... I've tried whispering, but it usually gets lost in the din. > > > > > > > But I don't care. > > > > > > > > I'm still crazy after all these years. > > > > > > > > And still here. > > > > > > I'm still here, and moving here. > > > > Funny dream you're having. > > > funny how you evidently find yourself in this funny dream. > > and you aren't dreaming yourself? > > i think you should talk to a good shrink about this. He is a shrink ;-). Dunno if he's any good or not, though. I probably couldn't afford him. Good thing I don't need one :-D. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Don't know. > > > You say something.......something here responds. > > > Dan or b.b.b says something and something here is stimulated to articulate itself. > > > Bill and Anna speak and their words elicit a response. > > > Tim and Michael comment and the neurons in this head do their thing. > > > > Bill and Anna and Tim and Dan are just words sitting on a computer screen that we may project as " people out there " . Yet, they remain just words on a computer screen. The word " Michael " is no different than the word " tree " . > > > and as Ordained from On High.. > > it has been given unto you this day.. > > Good News! I looked up, but saw only the ceiling. It's boring up there on high. Especially when it's the thermostat On High, and it's hot outside. Bleh. > the Understanding by elimination of naming.. > > the most Unnameable and Unknown: > > .b b.b. Not a bad nondual name... " Be, be, be " . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta spoke to the unique moment and person in front of him. > > > > > > > > > > It is amazing that his words carry as much potency as they do after > > > > > being translated from Marathi to English and applied to a totally > > > > > different set of circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > I've repeated many of the words he's spoken to folks on the lists, in appropriate circumstances, and they're always rejected immediately (most often as delusional). If I type the same words and end it with " -> - Nisargadatta Maharaj " , they are lauded and doted upon. > > > > > > Oh yeah... and the few occasions I've backed up what I've said with N. quotes, the response is always " well, he meant something different " . > > > > > > The fact is -- nobody cares what Nisargadatta said. Nobody is paying the slightest bit of attention. People just want others to know they know some famous spiritual personage, and/or are " in the know " themselves. It's all shallow, surface crap. People are idiots. > > > > > > > > > > > No more than dogs or squirrels. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Dogs and squirrels are far more intelligent. The discursive intellect is stupidity. > And yet..........this inexplicable love pouring through the cracks. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta spoke to the unique moment and person in front of him. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is amazing that his words carry as much potency as they do after > > > > > > being translated from Marathi to English and applied to a totally > > > > > > different set of circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > I've repeated many of the words he's spoken to folks on the lists, in appropriate circumstances, and they're always rejected immediately (most often as delusional). If I type the same words and end it with " -> - Nisargadatta Maharaj " , they are lauded and doted upon. > > > > > > > > Oh yeah... and the few occasions I've backed up what I've said with N. quotes, the response is always " well, he meant something different " . > > > > > > > > The fact is -- nobody cares what Nisargadatta said. Nobody is paying the slightest bit of attention. People just want others to know they know some famous spiritual personage, and/or are " in the know " themselves. It's all shallow, surface crap. People are idiots. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No more than dogs or squirrels. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Dogs and squirrels are far more intelligent. The discursive intellect is stupidity. > > > > > And yet..........this inexplicable love pouring through the cracks. > > > > > > toombaru Love is the desire for union between lover and beloved. You believe you are the lover, and seek to reunite with the beloved. That is your error. You are the beloved. The universe seeks to reunite with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta spoke to the unique moment and person in front of him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is amazing that his words carry as much potency as they do after > > > > > > > being translated from Marathi to English and applied to a totally > > > > > > > different set of circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > I've repeated many of the words he's spoken to folks on the lists, in appropriate circumstances, and they're always rejected immediately (most often as delusional). If I type the same words and end it with " -> - Nisargadatta Maharaj " , they are lauded and doted upon. > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah... and the few occasions I've backed up what I've said with N. quotes, the response is always " well, he meant something different " . > > > > > > > > > > The fact is -- nobody cares what Nisargadatta said. Nobody is paying the slightest bit of attention. People just want others to know they know some famous spiritual personage, and/or are " in the know " themselves. It's all shallow, surface crap. People are idiots. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No more than dogs or squirrels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Dogs and squirrels are far more intelligent. The discursive intellect is stupidity. > > > > > > > > > And yet..........this inexplicable love pouring through the cracks. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > Love is the desire for union between lover and beloved. > > You believe you are the lover, and seek to reunite with the beloved. > > That is your error. > > You are the beloved. > > The universe seeks to reunite with you. > We were separated? :-0 toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > The universe seeks to reunite with you. > > > > > We were separated? > > > :-0 > > > > > toombaru Only when you don't let us all in. Are we " somewhere out there? " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Thus, the teaching: there is neither creation nor destruction. > > > > If you really believe anything is being taught, you are vain. > > Ramana offered the teaching. > > Tim said if Ramana really believed he was teaching, he was vain. Yes, that's correct. Those who believe in separate beings are not qualified to teach. And those who realize the truth, realize there's no one to teach. Nobody has ever taught anything. One turns to oneself. Independently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thus, the teaching: there is neither creation nor destruction. > > > > > > If you really believe anything is being taught, you are vain. > > > > Ramana offered the teaching. > > > > Tim said if Ramana really believed he was teaching, he was vain. > > Yes, that's correct. > > Those who believe in separate beings are not qualified to teach. > > And those who realize the truth, realize there's no one to teach. > > Nobody has ever taught anything. > > One turns to oneself. > > Independently. how could one " turn to oneself " other than independently? ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thus, the teaching: there is neither creation nor destruction. > > > > > > > > If you really believe anything is being taught, you are vain. > > > > > > Ramana offered the teaching. > > > > > > Tim said if Ramana really believed he was teaching, he was vain. > > > > Yes, that's correct. > > > > Those who believe in separate beings are not qualified to teach. > > > > And those who realize the truth, realize there's no one to teach. > > > > Nobody has ever taught anything. > > > > One turns to oneself. > > > > Independently. > > > > > > how could one " turn to oneself " other than independently? > > .b b.b. I don't know. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Dogs and squirrels are far more intelligent. The discursive intellect is stupidity. -tim- What funny birds we are. Take yourself p. ex. You repeatedly state that words are uselless - perhaps more then most of us - that discursive intellect is stupidity, etc... but you are d to a list and you have a list of your own to where you invite people to write and talk. We are conflicting beings. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Friday, May 22, 2009 9:42 PM Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 22, 2009 8:03 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, May 22, 2009 6:27 PM > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > geo > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 5:25 PM > > > > Re: Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > dan330033 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 4:45 PM > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Oh no. thought solving a math problem does not need an > > > > > > > inner > > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > entiy. > > > > > > > > > > > > It needs time. > > > > > > > > > > > > And time is thought-formulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> I understand wht you are saying, but your usage of > > > > > > > " thought " > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > unique. > > > > > > > Again: what is consciousness according to your nomeclature? > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is generated by an organism, allowing it to use > > > > > > energy > > > > > > to > > > > > > differentiate objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought formulates the structure of the organism. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought is the organism. > > > > > > > > > > > > The larger construct that maybe you and I would agree on might > > > > > > be > > > > > > " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are using " consciousness " the way I would use > > > > > > " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > However, looking deeply into the nature of " awareness, " the > > > > > > concept > > > > > > of > > > > > > awareness (thought-formulated) dissolves. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why Niz said, " nothing not even the concept of > > > > > > 'nothing.' " > > > > > > > > > > > > He spoke of a truth prior to " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought does not touch this. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no truth " prior to awareness " . > > > > > > > > > > *Truth* is a concept. Awareness is content > > > > > absent of concepts. > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > Yes, there is truth prior to awareness. > > > > > > > > Niz called this " nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > > > > > Awareness is not a content. Concept is content. Awareness is the > > > > context > > > > for > > > > content. > > > > > > > > Obviously, everything we say in words is conceptual. > > > > > > > > If that isn't clear at this point, I don't know what would be clear. > > > > > > > > geo> At this point? Are progressing from ...to... > > > > What do you mean? > > > > I think you will have a hard time making some understand what you > > > > are > > > > saying > > > > when you > > > > use the terms " consciousness, awareness and thought " . You have > > > > invented > > > > your > > > > own > > > > meanings for them. > > > > > > I've done my best to be clear how I'm using the terms. > > > > > > I don't think the way I'm using them is unusual. > > > > > > As I explained, it fits with Niz, it fits with others as well. > > > > > > But so what? > > > > > > Are you and I communicating? > > > > > > Have my explanations helped you understand what I've said? > > > > > > That's what counts. > > > > > > Maybe I wasted my time. > > > > > > It's okay, though. > > > > > > I'm happy knowing I did my best. > > > > > > > Prior to consciousness....prior to awareness...(??????) > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > This is the point of no-time and no-location. > > > > > > It is the " eye of the needle, " that you can't pass through. > > > > > > You drop off - mind, body, past, thought, everything you thought was > > > you. > > > > > > Perhaps you want to cling to " awareness " to something that everything > > > is. > > > > > > This also dissolves. > > > > > > > Lets clear one point at least regarding this issue: Nis said " prior > > > > to > > > > consciousness is the ultimate " . > > > > This says something defintive about the expression " consciusness " . > > > > Now you are saying " prior to awareness.....something...and that Nis. > > > > said > > > > this or that about it " . > > > > You must agree.....it is confusing. > > > > > > What is confusing about nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' > > > > > > Yes, Niz did say this. > > > > > > He spoke to what people were ready to hear and who his audience was. > > > > > > If he spoke to someone who was ready to release " the Ultimate " or > > > " Awareness " he let them know that these go. > > > > > > The bottom line here is being nothing, having nothing, not even the > > > concept or feeling of 'nothing.' > > > > > > Do you understand this, because if you do, the way I'm using words > > > should > > > be clear ... > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > There is a book named " Intelligent Thought " in which authors from > > various > > scientific disciplines take on " intelligent design " . > > > > One of them starts out his chapter with: > > " I can't believe that we are even discussing intelligent design! " > > > > When the Understanding dawns concerning the emptiness of self and its > > pseudo > > reality.....it is so apparent that it defies all attempts to put the new > > world into words.....(mostly because it is conceptual thought that is > > the > > root of the " problem " ). > > > > There are a few that are heads and shoulders above the others in the > > attempt > > to capture this elusive beast in a net of words. > > > > The rest may have the same understanding but lack the fine tuned ability > > to > > convert the understanding into an understandable format. > > > > It isn't that they don't understand completely.......they just don't > > understand how to speak of the Understanding. > > > > But I sure as hell love all those who try. > > > > toombaru > > > > Yes, I understand what you are saying, and even " Dan's - as he called > > it - bottom line " . > > I was just pointing out some wide nomeclature discrepancies, considering > > that this forum is somehow > > vaguely, in some misty manner, related to the fellow nis. Not important > > though... > > > > -geo- > > . > > > > Nizargadatta was uniquely able to combine words in a way that could > dissolve > words and their pseudo world. > > Although much of what he said preceded him. > > But he is dead....and the fire occurs on the Living-Edge. > > toombaru > > What are you talking about toomba? t: Don't know. You say something.......something here responds. Dan or b.b.b says something and something here is stimulated to articulate itself. Bill and Anna speak and their words elicit a response. Tim and Michael comment and the neurons in this head do their thing. I read what bubbles up through my mnemonic debris.......some of it resonates with who I am at that moment.......some of it feels bland.......and every one in a while....... .......something pulls the rug and I find my self falling through space....something here remembers that that falling is who I am... ........and the silent laughter fills the room. Do you really feel that I am > some kind of a follower? t: I don't know what your are.....nor can I. I don't know what I am. I do, however, know what the I am is. I know that I like you. I like your honesty. Or maybe a pseudo-disciple, or a worshiper? > In fact I first read a book of nis. perhaps 2-3 month ago, and liked it. t: That puts you in a very small and very elite group. Not many want to hear that they don't exist and everything that they believe about all matters spiritual is wrong. LOL > As I said - when I fucking look up at the top of my fucking PC, it > is writen Nisargadatta fucking fucking dot com . so I > thought..... > > but as I said...fuck it. It doesnt fucking matter its not that fucking > important. > -geo- > One taste of the Big Empty is enough to destroy your entire life. The seeds have been planted in a place you can't reach. For you...........it's all over but the crying. Hey...............seen any good movies lately? " Up " is coming our May 29th. :-) I can hardly wait. toombaru Indeed, one single glimpse into the unchanging rock and something is planted. It must act. It must. Yes, every now and then I see a good movie... Dont know about UP. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Friday, May 22, 2009 10:03 PM Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Nizargadatta was uniquely able to combine words in a way that could > dissolve > words and their pseudo world. > > Although much of what he said preceded him. > > But he is dead....and the fire occurs on the Living-Edge. > > toombaru > > What do you mean with " although much of what he said preceded him " ? > -geo- > " Washing blood with blood " . " You are the child of a barren woman " . Asking " Who am I?. etc. can be found in the Gitas and Vasistha's Yoga. The book " I Am That " is actually a group of disjointed paragraphs compiled over the years by Maurice Friedman into general categories and chapters. Nisargadatta spoke to the unique moment and person in front of him. It is amazing that his words carry as much potency as they do after being translated from Marathi to English and applied to a totally different set of circumstances. toombaru So you find " asking who am I " is repetitive? :>/ -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 22, 2009 9:42 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, May 22, 2009 8:03 PM > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 6:27 PM > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > geo > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 5:25 PM > > > > > Re: Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 4:45 PM > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Oh no. thought solving a math problem does not need an > > > > > > > > inner > > > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > entiy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It needs time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And time is thought-formulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> I understand wht you are saying, but your usage of > > > > > > > > " thought " > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > unique. > > > > > > > > Again: what is consciousness according to your nomeclature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is generated by an organism, allowing it to use > > > > > > > energy > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > differentiate objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought formulates the structure of the organism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought is the organism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The larger construct that maybe you and I would agree on might > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are using " consciousness " the way I would use > > > > > > > " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, looking deeply into the nature of " awareness, " the > > > > > > > concept > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > awareness (thought-formulated) dissolves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why Niz said, " nothing not even the concept of > > > > > > > 'nothing.' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spoke of a truth prior to " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought does not touch this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no truth " prior to awareness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > *Truth* is a concept. Awareness is content > > > > > > absent of concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > Yes, there is truth prior to awareness. > > > > > > > > > > Niz called this " nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is not a content. Concept is content. Awareness is the > > > > > context > > > > > for > > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > Obviously, everything we say in words is conceptual. > > > > > > > > > > If that isn't clear at this point, I don't know what would be clear. > > > > > > > > > > geo> At this point? Are progressing from ...to... > > > > > What do you mean? > > > > > I think you will have a hard time making some understand what you > > > > > are > > > > > saying > > > > > when you > > > > > use the terms " consciousness, awareness and thought " . You have > > > > > invented > > > > > your > > > > > own > > > > > meanings for them. > > > > > > > > I've done my best to be clear how I'm using the terms. > > > > > > > > I don't think the way I'm using them is unusual. > > > > > > > > As I explained, it fits with Niz, it fits with others as well. > > > > > > > > But so what? > > > > > > > > Are you and I communicating? > > > > > > > > Have my explanations helped you understand what I've said? > > > > > > > > That's what counts. > > > > > > > > Maybe I wasted my time. > > > > > > > > It's okay, though. > > > > > > > > I'm happy knowing I did my best. > > > > > > > > > Prior to consciousness....prior to awareness...(??????) > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > This is the point of no-time and no-location. > > > > > > > > It is the " eye of the needle, " that you can't pass through. > > > > > > > > You drop off - mind, body, past, thought, everything you thought was > > > > you. > > > > > > > > Perhaps you want to cling to " awareness " to something that everything > > > > is. > > > > > > > > This also dissolves. > > > > > > > > > Lets clear one point at least regarding this issue: Nis said " prior > > > > > to > > > > > consciousness is the ultimate " . > > > > > This says something defintive about the expression " consciusness " . > > > > > Now you are saying " prior to awareness.....something...and that Nis. > > > > > said > > > > > this or that about it " . > > > > > You must agree.....it is confusing. > > > > > > > > What is confusing about nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' > > > > > > > > Yes, Niz did say this. > > > > > > > > He spoke to what people were ready to hear and who his audience was. > > > > > > > > If he spoke to someone who was ready to release " the Ultimate " or > > > > " Awareness " he let them know that these go. > > > > > > > > The bottom line here is being nothing, having nothing, not even the > > > > concept or feeling of 'nothing.' > > > > > > > > Do you understand this, because if you do, the way I'm using words > > > > should > > > > be clear ... > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > There is a book named " Intelligent Thought " in which authors from > > > various > > > scientific disciplines take on " intelligent design " . > > > > > > One of them starts out his chapter with: > > > " I can't believe that we are even discussing intelligent design! " > > > > > > When the Understanding dawns concerning the emptiness of self and its > > > pseudo > > > reality.....it is so apparent that it defies all attempts to put the new > > > world into words.....(mostly because it is conceptual thought that is > > > the > > > root of the " problem " ). > > > > > > There are a few that are heads and shoulders above the others in the > > > attempt > > > to capture this elusive beast in a net of words. > > > > > > The rest may have the same understanding but lack the fine tuned ability > > > to > > > convert the understanding into an understandable format. > > > > > > It isn't that they don't understand completely.......they just don't > > > understand how to speak of the Understanding. > > > > > > But I sure as hell love all those who try. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Yes, I understand what you are saying, and even " Dan's - as he called > > > it - bottom line " . > > > I was just pointing out some wide nomeclature discrepancies, considering > > > that this forum is somehow > > > vaguely, in some misty manner, related to the fellow nis. Not important > > > though... > > > > > > -geo- > > > . > > > > > > > Nizargadatta was uniquely able to combine words in a way that could > > dissolve > > words and their pseudo world. > > > > Although much of what he said preceded him. > > > > But he is dead....and the fire occurs on the Living-Edge. > > > > toombaru > > > > What are you talking about toomba? > > t: > > Don't know. > You say something.......something here responds. > Dan or b.b.b says something and something here is stimulated to articulate > itself. > Bill and Anna speak and their words elicit a response. > Tim and Michael comment and the neurons in this head do their thing. > I read what bubbles up through my mnemonic debris.......some of it resonates > with who I am at that moment.......some of it feels bland.......and every > one in a while....... > > ......something pulls the rug and I find my self falling through > space....something here remembers that that falling is who I am... > > .......and the silent laughter fills the room. > > > Do you really feel that I am > > some kind of a follower? > > t: > I don't know what your are.....nor can I. > I don't know what I am. > I do, however, know what the I am is. > I know that I like you. > I like your honesty. > > Or maybe a pseudo-disciple, or a worshiper? > > In fact I first read a book of nis. perhaps 2-3 month ago, and liked it. > > t: > That puts you in a very small and very elite group. > Not many want to hear that they don't exist and everything that they believe > about all matters spiritual is wrong. > > LOL > > > As I said - when I fucking look up at the top of my fucking PC, it > > is writen Nisargadatta fucking fucking dot com . so I > > thought..... > > > > but as I said...fuck it. It doesnt fucking matter its not that fucking > > important. > > -geo- > > > > One taste of the Big Empty is enough to destroy your entire life. > The seeds have been planted in a place you can't reach. > For you...........it's all over but the crying. > > Hey...............seen any good movies lately? > > " Up " is coming our May 29th. > > :-) > > I can hardly wait. > > toombaru > > Indeed, one single glimpse into the unchanging rock and something > is planted. It must act. It must. > > Yes, every now and then I see a good movie... > Dont know about UP. > -geo- it's a Pixar Extravaganza. i'm waiting for: " The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus' " .. Heath Ledger stars. and he's dead so it should be interesting. the kids will like " Up " much better though. lots of balloons and colors. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, May 22, 2009 9:42 PM > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > toombaru2006 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 8:03 PM > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > toombaru2006 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 6:27 PM > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > geo > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 5:25 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > dan330033 > > > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 4:45 PM > > > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> Oh no. thought solving a math problem does not need an > > > > > > > > > inner > > > > > > > > > separate > > > > > > > > > entiy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It needs time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And time is thought-formulated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> I understand wht you are saying, but your usage of > > > > > > > > > " thought " > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > unique. > > > > > > > > > Again: what is consciousness according to your nomeclature? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness is generated by an organism, allowing it to use > > > > > > > > energy > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > differentiate objects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought formulates the structure of the organism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought is the organism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The larger construct that maybe you and I would agree on might > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think you are using " consciousness " the way I would use > > > > > > > > " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, looking deeply into the nature of " awareness, " the > > > > > > > > concept > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > awareness (thought-formulated) dissolves. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is why Niz said, " nothing not even the concept of > > > > > > > > 'nothing.' " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He spoke of a truth prior to " awareness. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought does not touch this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no truth " prior to awareness " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Truth* is a concept. Awareness is content > > > > > > > absent of concepts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, there is truth prior to awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > Niz called this " nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > > > > > > > > > Awareness is not a content. Concept is content. Awareness is the > > > > > > context > > > > > > for > > > > > > content. > > > > > > > > > > > > Obviously, everything we say in words is conceptual. > > > > > > > > > > > > If that isn't clear at this point, I don't know what would be clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > geo> At this point? Are progressing from ...to... > > > > > > What do you mean? > > > > > > I think you will have a hard time making some understand what you > > > > > > are > > > > > > saying > > > > > > when you > > > > > > use the terms " consciousness, awareness and thought " . You have > > > > > > invented > > > > > > your > > > > > > own > > > > > > meanings for them. > > > > > > > > > > I've done my best to be clear how I'm using the terms. > > > > > > > > > > I don't think the way I'm using them is unusual. > > > > > > > > > > As I explained, it fits with Niz, it fits with others as well. > > > > > > > > > > But so what? > > > > > > > > > > Are you and I communicating? > > > > > > > > > > Have my explanations helped you understand what I've said? > > > > > > > > > > That's what counts. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe I wasted my time. > > > > > > > > > > It's okay, though. > > > > > > > > > > I'm happy knowing I did my best. > > > > > > > > > > > Prior to consciousness....prior to awareness...(??????) > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > This is the point of no-time and no-location. > > > > > > > > > > It is the " eye of the needle, " that you can't pass through. > > > > > > > > > > You drop off - mind, body, past, thought, everything you thought was > > > > > you. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps you want to cling to " awareness " to something that everything > > > > > is. > > > > > > > > > > This also dissolves. > > > > > > > > > > > Lets clear one point at least regarding this issue: Nis said " prior > > > > > > to > > > > > > consciousness is the ultimate " . > > > > > > This says something defintive about the expression " consciusness " . > > > > > > Now you are saying " prior to awareness.....something...and that Nis. > > > > > > said > > > > > > this or that about it " . > > > > > > You must agree.....it is confusing. > > > > > > > > > > What is confusing about nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' > > > > > > > > > > Yes, Niz did say this. > > > > > > > > > > He spoke to what people were ready to hear and who his audience was. > > > > > > > > > > If he spoke to someone who was ready to release " the Ultimate " or > > > > > " Awareness " he let them know that these go. > > > > > > > > > > The bottom line here is being nothing, having nothing, not even the > > > > > concept or feeling of 'nothing.' > > > > > > > > > > Do you understand this, because if you do, the way I'm using words > > > > > should > > > > > be clear ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a book named " Intelligent Thought " in which authors from > > > > various > > > > scientific disciplines take on " intelligent design " . > > > > > > > > One of them starts out his chapter with: > > > > " I can't believe that we are even discussing intelligent design! " > > > > > > > > When the Understanding dawns concerning the emptiness of self and its > > > > pseudo > > > > reality.....it is so apparent that it defies all attempts to put the new > > > > world into words.....(mostly because it is conceptual thought that is > > > > the > > > > root of the " problem " ). > > > > > > > > There are a few that are heads and shoulders above the others in the > > > > attempt > > > > to capture this elusive beast in a net of words. > > > > > > > > The rest may have the same understanding but lack the fine tuned ability > > > > to > > > > convert the understanding into an understandable format. > > > > > > > > It isn't that they don't understand completely.......they just don't > > > > understand how to speak of the Understanding. > > > > > > > > But I sure as hell love all those who try. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Yes, I understand what you are saying, and even " Dan's - as he called > > > > it - bottom line " . > > > > I was just pointing out some wide nomeclature discrepancies, considering > > > > that this forum is somehow > > > > vaguely, in some misty manner, related to the fellow nis. Not important > > > > though... > > > > > > > > -geo- > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > Nizargadatta was uniquely able to combine words in a way that could > > > dissolve > > > words and their pseudo world. > > > > > > Although much of what he said preceded him. > > > > > > But he is dead....and the fire occurs on the Living-Edge. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > What are you talking about toomba? > > > > t: > > > > Don't know. > > You say something.......something here responds. > > Dan or b.b.b says something and something here is stimulated to articulate > > itself. > > Bill and Anna speak and their words elicit a response. > > Tim and Michael comment and the neurons in this head do their thing. > > I read what bubbles up through my mnemonic debris.......some of it resonates > > with who I am at that moment.......some of it feels bland.......and every > > one in a while....... > > > > ......something pulls the rug and I find my self falling through > > space....something here remembers that that falling is who I am... > > > > .......and the silent laughter fills the room. > > > > > > Do you really feel that I am > > > some kind of a follower? > > > > t: > > I don't know what your are.....nor can I. > > I don't know what I am. > > I do, however, know what the I am is. > > I know that I like you. > > I like your honesty. > > > > Or maybe a pseudo-disciple, or a worshiper? > > > In fact I first read a book of nis. perhaps 2-3 month ago, and liked it. > > > > t: > > That puts you in a very small and very elite group. > > Not many want to hear that they don't exist and everything that they believe > > about all matters spiritual is wrong. > > > > LOL > > > > > As I said - when I fucking look up at the top of my fucking PC, it > > > is writen Nisargadatta fucking fucking dot com . so I > > > thought..... > > > > > > but as I said...fuck it. It doesnt fucking matter its not that fucking > > > important. > > > -geo- > > > > > > > One taste of the Big Empty is enough to destroy your entire life. > > The seeds have been planted in a place you can't reach. > > For you...........it's all over but the crying. > > > > Hey...............seen any good movies lately? > > > > " Up " is coming our May 29th. > > > > :-) > > > > I can hardly wait. > > > > toombaru > > > > Indeed, one single glimpse into the unchanging rock and something > > is planted. It must act. It must. > > > > Yes, every now and then I see a good movie... > > Dont know about UP. > > -geo- > > > it's a Pixar Extravaganza. > > i'm waiting for: > > " The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus' " .. > > Heath Ledger stars. > > and he's dead so it should be interesting. > > the kids will like " Up " much better though. > > lots of balloons and colors. > > .b b.b. of course to finish Imaginarium.. they brought in colin farrell..jude law...johnny depp.. and had a ledger simulacrum like deal.. walk through a magical mirror.. several times becoming different identities but the same " me " .. several times through time as it goes. at cannes right now..soon the big screens in the big world.. hollywood is not un-hip to the non dual.. all is one and one is all.. and even though at first glimpse of ledger on screen.. the audience sees him hanging.. ooooh...bad taste what anyway.. it will be big box office guaranteed! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thus, the teaching: there is neither creation nor destruction. > > > > > > If you really believe anything is being taught, you are vain. > > > > Ramana offered the teaching. > > > > Tim said if Ramana really believed he was teaching, he was vain. > > Yes, that's correct. > > Those who believe in separate beings are not qualified to teach. > > And those who realize the truth, realize there's no one to teach. > > Nobody has ever taught anything. > > One turns to oneself. > > Independently. > But there isn't one. :-0 toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thus, the teaching: there is neither creation nor destruction. > > > > > > > > If you really believe anything is being taught, you are vain. > > > > > > Ramana offered the teaching. > > > > > > Tim said if Ramana really believed he was teaching, he was vain. > > > > Yes, that's correct. > > > > Those who believe in separate beings are not qualified to teach. > > > > And those who realize the truth, realize there's no one to teach. > > > > Nobody has ever taught anything. > > > > One turns to oneself. > > > > Independently. > > > > > But there isn't one. > > > :-0 > > > > toombaru and that's why there is. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > That doesn't seem here to be a trouble. > > Verbality " comes out of " the understanding, to put it verbally. Yes, to put it verbally. Also, the words never left it. To put it verbally. > The dissolution you mentioned is like changing from a black hole to a star. > > The truth radiates. One knows it by virtue of being it. One has never not been. > > It's not anchored to feelings, either. > > > > There's not much to go on. > > > > And that's the difficulty. > > Yes, for those who are seeking truth, it's a difficulty. So is the search for truth. Yes. Truly, it is resolved from, by, in, as who one is. The search involves a mistake about who one is. The mistake wasn't forced from outside, nor was it projected by someone inside. So, where to turn for assistance? LOL. To words from " someone else " ? Will recognition that all the words on all sidesare " mine " help? LSUMB (laughing softly under my breath) > > You can tell from how they use words. > > > > > > And it doesn't depend on the words at all. > > > > Not even a single one. > > I agree. In fact, when I first noticed things dissolve, I was rather immersed in words. This dissolution doesn't even seem to depend on abandoning words. Words are just the very surface of consciousness, if you will. Yes, what are we going to say? To whom? What has not been said? Has anything ever failed to be said? What I said a million years ago are like notes from a tuba that I hear echoing today. Today? Where is today? Echoes of laughter in the halls of bubbles, bubbles of multidimensional light, refracting bubbles ... empty ... nothing .. full ... still ... ness ... Blip, blip, blip ... -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > He probably means that it had all been said before. Yes. Ho hum. Let's enshrine these words for all eternity. Not. Krishnamurti wanted to make sure there was a foundation set up to preserve his words for future generations. Now, that is a laugh. That money could have been used to put food in the bellies of people hit by droughts. Does it matter? I've been shattered. A hoot. And a holler. Walt Whitman, " Songs of Myself. " Divine narcissism. All I see on every side are reflections of myself reflecting myself. SMUB, Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:06 PM Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > That doesn't seem here to be a trouble. > > Verbality " comes out of " the understanding, to put it verbally. Yes, to put it verbally. Also, the words never left it. To put it verbally. > The dissolution you mentioned is like changing from a black hole to a > star. > > The truth radiates. One knows it by virtue of being it. One has never not been. > > It's not anchored to feelings, either. > > > > There's not much to go on. > > > > And that's the difficulty. > > Yes, for those who are seeking truth, it's a difficulty. So is the search > for truth. Yes. Truly, it is resolved from, by, in, as who one is. The search involves a mistake about who one is. The mistake wasn't forced from outside, nor was it projected by someone inside. So, where to turn for assistance? LOL. To words from " someone else " ? Will recognition that all the words on all sidesare " mine " help? LSUMB (laughing softly under my breath) > > You can tell from how they use words. > > > > > > And it doesn't depend on the words at all. > > > > Not even a single one. > > I agree. In fact, when I first noticed things dissolve, I was rather > immersed in words. This dissolution doesn't even seem to depend on > abandoning words. Words are just the very surface of consciousness, if you > will. Yes, what are we going to say? To whom? What has not been said? Has anything ever failed to be said? What I said a million years ago are like notes from a tuba that I hear echoing today. Today? Where is today? Echoes of laughter in the halls of bubbles, bubbles of multidimensional light, refracting bubbles ... empty ... nothing .. full ... still ... ness ... Blip, blip, blip ... -- Dan How weird Dan... I was sitting here looking at the afternoon sun light through the half open door, and I saw my body and its own world - consciousness - as a bright bubble of light. It was 10 mints ago.. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > I've repeated many of the words he's spoken to folks on the lists, in appropriate circumstances, and they're always rejected immediately (most often as delusional). If I type the same words and end it with " -> - Nisargadatta Maharaj " , they are lauded and doted upon. > > Oh yeah... and the few occasions I've backed up what I've said with N. quotes, the response is always " well, he meant something different " . > > The fact is -- nobody cares what Nisargadatta said. Nobody is paying the slightest bit of attention. People just want others to know they know some famous spiritual personage, and/or are " in the know " themselves. It's all shallow, surface crap. People are idiots. LOL. I want to be in the know. I want to be right. I fill up countless lists on the internet, trying to show what I know. What could possibly be more idiotic? All so I don't collapse. All so I can keep on keepin' on. Anything not to be here, as I actually am. Not knowing even a single thing. Not claiming anything. So much activity to avoid that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Saturday, May 23, 2009 3:15 PM Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > He probably means that it had all been said before. Yes. Ho hum. Let's enshrine these words for all eternity. Not. Krishnamurti wanted to make sure there was a foundation set up to preserve his words for future generations. geo> As many times before, you dont seem to read right. Krishnamurti did NOT want any foundation. In fact he explicitly stated that there is NOBADY no entity, no foundation that could speak for him. People around him did it. He refused it when he was 29 years old... but people around him wanted it. What could he do to avoid it? Now, that is a laugh. geo > It would be a laugh if it was true. That money could have been used to put food in the bellies of people hit by droughts. Does it matter? I've been shattered. A hoot. And a holler. Walt Whitman, " Songs of Myself. " Divine narcissism. All I see on every side are reflections of myself reflecting myself. SMUB, geo> Waht is that? Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You just offered words. > > > > > > > > > > > > Which you say are just words and mean whatever I want them to mean. > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't want them to mean anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > You haven't blown over anything, just put out words that you say > > > > > > don't mean anything. > > > > > > > > > > Would you know whether I've blown over anything? > > > > > > > > > > Are you here? > > > > > > > > > > Is any " you " ever here? > > > > > > > > > > No. > > > > > > > > > > Only " I " am here. > > > > > > > > > > Aren't I, the reader of this message, here? > > > > > > > > > > Are you, the writer, here? > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I am here. > > > > > > > > Yes, this is I. > > > > > > > > Yes, I do get it. > > > > > > > > Yes, you are hitting me over the head with it. > > > > > > Sorry... I've tried whispering, but it usually gets lost in the din. > > > > > > > But I don't care. > > > > > > > > I'm still crazy after all these years. > > > > > > > > And still here. > > > > > > I'm still here, and moving here. > > > > Funny dream you're having. > > > funny how you evidently find yourself in this funny dream. > > and you aren't dreaming yourself? > > i think you should talk to a good shrink about this. > > fuck talking to a guru... > > he'll just laugh. > > .b b.b. there isn't anyone in the dream. get a clue, dude. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > Walt Whitman, " Songs of Myself. " > > Divine narcissism. It only becomes narcissism when talked about. Narcissism and 'egoicity' are always qualities defined/decided by someone else ;-). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > It's not anchored to feelings, either. > > > > > > There's not much to go on. > > > > > > And that's the difficulty. > > > > Yes, for those who are seeking truth, it's a difficulty. So is the search for truth. > > Yes. > > Truly, it is resolved from, by, in, as who one is. > > The search involves a mistake about who one is. > > The mistake wasn't forced from outside, nor was it projected by someone inside. > > So, where to turn for assistance? > > LOL. Indeed. Where do I turn? What do I do next? LOL. > To words from " someone else " ? > > Will recognition that all the words on all sides are " mine " help? Perhaps. I like to say " the Self speaks to itself and hears itself " , but Toomie may react if I use the word Self... :-p. > > > > You can tell from how they use words. > > > > > > > > > And it doesn't depend on the words at all. > > > > > > Not even a single one. > > > > I agree. In fact, when I first noticed things dissolve, I was rather immersed in words. This dissolution doesn't even seem to depend on abandoning words. Words are just the very surface of consciousness, if you will. > > Yes, what are we going to say? > > To whom? > > What has not been said? > > Has anything ever failed to be said? > > What I said a million years ago are like notes from a tuba that I hear echoing today. > > Today? > > Where is today? > > Echoes of laughter in the halls of bubbles, bubbles of multidimensional light, refracting bubbles ... > > empty ... nothing .. full ... > > still ... ness ... > > Blip, blip, blip ... > > > -- Dan Enjoyed that post, thnx Dan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
