Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 1:55 PM > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once again.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the i that goes by toombaru is no different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your no Socrates toomie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well you are.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as i am.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but those methods you attempt to employ.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't even run a close 10,000th with old Soc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Socrates is dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's just me and you babe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we're dead too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean........we were alive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what does that even mean? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.....if we're dead.......we must have died. > > > > > > > > If we died......we must have been alive at one time. > > > > > > > > Do you remember what that was like?. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > i can't remember what i had for breakfast. > > > > > > i don't know if there is such a thing. > > > > > > i don't think about it. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Some stuff do that with you. Sometimes they mix rubish with it > > > Better check it out.. > > > -geo- > > > > > > it's all rubbish! > > > > everything and everyone is being flushed down as we speak. > > > > nothing is " for keeps " . > > > > it a bullshit deal. > > > > we're doomed before we become. > > > > and we aren't going anywhere that isn't here. > > > > what the fuck! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Black smoke is coming out of my computer! > > > :-0 > > > > > toombaru you know.. even though none of us can know for sure.. but.. that question comes before " who am i " . the first " notion " before " me " " it " .. MUST be a sort of: what the fuck?!? i dunno.. it does it for me. i'm seein' a whole new movement! What the Fuck! i see a crystal temple..me in robes.. TV..Fame..Big Bucks.. WOMEN...MONEY...ME ME ME.. Oh sweet jesus this thing has potential! What the Fuck! ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Friday, May 22, 2009 2:16 PM Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 22, 2009 1:55 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once again.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the i that goes by toombaru is no different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your no Socrates toomie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well you are.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as i am.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but those methods you attempt to employ.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't even run a close 10,000th with old Soc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Socrates is dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's just me and you babe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we're dead too. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean........we were alive? > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > what does that even mean? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > Well.....if we're dead.......we must have died. > > > > If we died......we must have been alive at one time. > > > > Do you remember what that was like?. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > i can't remember what i had for breakfast. > > i don't know if there is such a thing. > > i don't think about it. > > .b b.b. > > Some stuff do that with you. Sometimes they mix rubish with it > Better check it out.. > -geo- it's all rubbish! everything and everyone is being flushed down as we speak. nothing is " for keeps " . it a bullshit deal. we're doomed before we become. and we aren't going anywhere that isn't here. what the fuck! ..b b.b. yes...we pay the ticket to ride and the fucking train never left the fucking station. never...ever -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > roberibus111 > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 1:55 PM > > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once again.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the i that goes by toombaru is no different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your no Socrates toomie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well you are.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as i am.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but those methods you attempt to employ.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't even run a close 10,000th with old Soc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Socrates is dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's just me and you babe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we're dead too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean........we were alive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what does that even mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.....if we're dead.......we must have died. > > > > > > > > > > If we died......we must have been alive at one time. > > > > > > > > > > Do you remember what that was like?. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > i can't remember what i had for breakfast. > > > > > > > > i don't know if there is such a thing. > > > > > > > > i don't think about it. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > Some stuff do that with you. Sometimes they mix rubish with it > > > > Better check it out.. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > > it's all rubbish! > > > > > > everything and everyone is being flushed down as we speak. > > > > > > nothing is " for keeps " . > > > > > > it a bullshit deal. > > > > > > we're doomed before we become. > > > > > > and we aren't going anywhere that isn't here. > > > > > > what the fuck! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Black smoke is coming out of my computer! > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > you know.. > > even though none of us can know for sure.. > > but.. > > that question comes before " who am i " . > > the first " notion " before " me " " it " .. > > MUST be a sort of: > > what the fuck?!? > > i dunno.. > > it does it for me. > > i'm seein' a whole new movement! > > What the Fuck! > > i see a crystal temple..me in robes.. > > TV..Fame..Big Bucks.. > > WOMEN...MONEY...ME ME ME.. > > Oh sweet jesus this thing has potential! > > What the Fuck! > > .b b.b. > a bow Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Friday, May 22, 2009 2:21 PM Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 22, 2009 2:04 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Socrates is dead. > > > > It's just me and you babe. > > > > toombaru > > > > You AND he?? > > -geo- > > > > It's jus me babe.......It's jus me yur lookin for........babe. > > toombaru > > AAAARRRGGGGHHHHH...... > " toombaru " sounds like a male. > -geo- > Yeah......well........I just peed on the computer. What do ya think of that? toombaru Ther is a saying here: " teste is beyind discussion " ....so I will not comment on you private fetish... -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 22, 2009 2:16 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, May 22, 2009 1:55 PM > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once again.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the i that goes by toombaru is no different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your no Socrates toomie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well you are.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as i am.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but those methods you attempt to employ.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't even run a close 10,000th with old Soc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Socrates is dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's just me and you babe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we're dead too. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean........we were alive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > what does that even mean? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.....if we're dead.......we must have died. > > > > > > If we died......we must have been alive at one time. > > > > > > Do you remember what that was like?. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > i can't remember what i had for breakfast. > > > > i don't know if there is such a thing. > > > > i don't think about it. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Some stuff do that with you. Sometimes they mix rubish with it > > Better check it out.. > > -geo- > > it's all rubbish! > > everything and everyone is being flushed down as we speak. > > nothing is " for keeps " . > > it a bullshit deal. > > we're doomed before we become. > > and we aren't going anywhere that isn't here. > > what the fuck! > > .b b.b. > > yes...we pay the ticket to ride and the fucking train never left the fucking > station. > never...ever > -geo- psst.. there was no train and there is no station.. but.. it just keeps movin' along.. just like that ol' man river.. ..b b.b. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 22, 2009 2:21 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, May 22, 2009 2:04 PM > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Socrates is dead. > > > > > > It's just me and you babe. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > You AND he?? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > It's jus me babe.......It's jus me yur lookin for........babe. > > > > toombaru > > > > AAAARRRGGGGHHHHH...... > > " toombaru " sounds like a male. > > -geo- > > > > Yeah......well........I just peed on the computer. > > What do ya think of that? > > toombaru > > Ther is a saying here: " teste is beyind discussion " > ...so I will not comment on you private fetish... > -geo- > It's just the way I mark my territory. But it has its down side. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Friday, May 22, 2009 2:37 PM Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > roberibus111 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Friday, May 22, 2009 1:55 PM > > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > > > > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once again.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the i that goes by toombaru is no different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your no Socrates toomie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well you are.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as i am.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but those methods you attempt to employ.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't even run a close 10,000th with old Soc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Socrates is dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's just me and you babe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we're dead too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean........we were alive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what does that even mean? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.....if we're dead.......we must have died. > > > > > > > > If we died......we must have been alive at one time. > > > > > > > > Do you remember what that was like?. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > i can't remember what i had for breakfast. > > > > > > i don't know if there is such a thing. > > > > > > i don't think about it. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Some stuff do that with you. Sometimes they mix rubish with it > > > Better check it out.. > > > -geo- > > > > > > it's all rubbish! > > > > everything and everyone is being flushed down as we speak. > > > > nothing is " for keeps " . > > > > it a bullshit deal. > > > > we're doomed before we become. > > > > and we aren't going anywhere that isn't here. > > > > what the fuck! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Black smoke is coming out of my computer! > > > :-0 > > > > > toombaru you know.. even though none of us can know for sure.. but.. that question comes before " who am i " . the first " notion " before " me " " it " .. MUST be a sort of: what the fuck?!? i dunno.. it does it for me. i'm seein' a whole new movement! What the Fuck! i see a crystal temple..me in robes.. TV..Fame..Big Bucks.. WOMEN...MONEY...ME ME ME.. Oh sweet jesus this thing has potential! What the Fuck! ..b b.b. lol.. yes. me...me....me....how cute that is...just like a real one!! I command: make lots of it!!! -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 - roberibus111 Nisargadatta Friday, May 22, 2009 2:42 PM Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 22, 2009 2:16 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > roberibus111 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, May 22, 2009 1:55 PM > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > once again.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't think. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't know what i'm saying. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the i that goes by toombaru is no different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your no Socrates toomie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well you are.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as i am.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but those methods you attempt to employ.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you don't even run a close 10,000th with old Soc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Socrates is dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's just me and you babe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we're dead too. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mean........we were alive? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > what does that even mean? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.....if we're dead.......we must have died. > > > > > > If we died......we must have been alive at one time. > > > > > > Do you remember what that was like?. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > i can't remember what i had for breakfast. > > > > i don't know if there is such a thing. > > > > i don't think about it. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Some stuff do that with you. Sometimes they mix rubish with it > > Better check it out.. > > -geo- > > it's all rubbish! > > everything and everyone is being flushed down as we speak. > > nothing is " for keeps " . > > it a bullshit deal. > > we're doomed before we become. > > and we aren't going anywhere that isn't here. > > what the fuck! > > .b b.b. > > yes...we pay the ticket to ride and the fucking train never left the > fucking > station. > never...ever > -geo- psst.. there was no train and there is no station.. but.. it just keeps movin' along.. just like that ol' man river.. ..b b.b. huhh?? No train? No Station? shhhiiitt...I paid 10 bucks for the fucking ticket. -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Friday, May 22, 2009 2:44 PM Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > toombaru2006 > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 22, 2009 2:21 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > toombaru2006 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, May 22, 2009 2:04 PM > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Socrates is dead. > > > > > > It's just me and you babe. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > You AND he?? > > > -geo- > > > > > > > It's jus me babe.......It's jus me yur lookin for........babe. > > > > toombaru > > > > AAAARRRGGGGHHHHH...... > > " toombaru " sounds like a male. > > -geo- > > > > Yeah......well........I just peed on the computer. > > What do ya think of that? > > toombaru > > Ther is a saying here: " teste is beyind discussion " > ...so I will not comment on you private fetish... > -geo- > It's just the way I mark my territory. But it has its down side. toombaru Somethin else...piss is salty...so.. is it 120 or 220 over there? -geo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > geo> Oh no. thought solving a math problem does not need an inner separate > > > entiy. > > > > It needs time. > > > > And time is thought-formulated. > > > > > geo> I understand wht you are saying, but your usage of " thought " is unique. > > > Again: what is consciousness according to your nomeclature? > > > > Consciousness is generated by an organism, allowing it to use energy to differentiate objects. > > > > Thought formulates the structure of the organism. > > > > Thought is the organism. > > > > The larger construct that maybe you and I would agree on might be " awareness. " > > > > I think you are using " consciousness " the way I would use " awareness. " > > > > However, looking deeply into the nature of " awareness, " the concept of awareness (thought-formulated) dissolves. > > > > This is why Niz said, " nothing not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > He spoke of a truth prior to " awareness. " > > > > Thought does not touch this. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > There is no truth " prior to awareness " . > > *Truth* is a concept. Awareness is content > absent of concepts. > > ~A Yes, there is truth prior to awareness. Niz called this " nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' " Awareness is not a content. Concept is content. Awareness is the context for content. Obviously, everything we say in words is conceptual. If that isn't clear at this point, I don't know what would be clear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > geo> Oh no. thought solving a math problem does not need an inner separate > > > > entiy. > > > > > > It needs time. > > > > > > And time is thought-formulated. > > > > > > > geo> I understand wht you are saying, but your usage of " thought " is unique. > > > > Again: what is consciousness according to your nomeclature? > > > > > > Consciousness is generated by an organism, allowing it to use energy to differentiate objects. > > > > > > Thought formulates the structure of the organism. > > > > > > Thought is the organism. > > > > > > The larger construct that maybe you and I would agree on might be " awareness. " > > > > > > I think you are using " consciousness " the way I would use " awareness. " > > > > > > However, looking deeply into the nature of " awareness, " the concept of awareness (thought-formulated) dissolves. > > > > > > This is why Niz said, " nothing not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > > > He spoke of a truth prior to " awareness. " > > > > > > Thought does not touch this. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm that it cannot touch. > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > toombaru It doesn't go anywhere. It dissolves. And one understands. -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thus, the teaching: there is neither creation nor destruction. > > > > > > If you really believe anything is being taught, you are vain. > > > > Ramana offered the teaching. > > > > Tim said if Ramana really believed he was teaching, he was vain. > > > > Carly Simon said it takes one to know one. > > > > " You're so vain -- you probably think this song is about you. " > > > > -- Dan > > They're all just words. It's a closed system. They mean whatever we want them to. I've blown over a house of cards. Next... :-p. You just offered words. Which you say are just words and mean whatever I want them to mean. I don't want them to mean anything. You haven't blown over anything, just put out words that you say don't mean anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > There is no truth " prior to awareness " . > > > > *Truth* is a concept. Awareness is content > > absent of concepts. > > *Awareness* is a concept, too. > > Dismissing a particular concept such as " truth " to fit one's preferences is silly. Dismiss them all, or dismiss none. They dissolve. Be aware of them dissolving. Dissolution also goes, and going goes. Nothing, not even the concept of 'nothing.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm that > it cannot touch. > > Can you see where this is going? > > toombaru > > I am not sure... but is there anything wrong with thought " knowing " that it > is limited? > I feel sometimes that that is all it can do. > -geo- Geo - Yes! Understanding the limits of knowing. This is wisdom. Indeed. -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > > > There is no truth " prior to awareness " . > > > > *Truth* is a concept. Awareness is content > > absent of concepts. > > > > ~A > > > > > Yes Anna, > > Consciousness is all there is. Anything " beyond of " or " prior to " consciousness are ideas or concepts. > > And thanks for writing " truth " within stars. Thruth and love are the most misused terms. That misuse has its origing in arrogance. > > Werner There isn't anything that everything is, Werner. Thinking you know what everything is, is arrogance. -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, May 22, 2009 4:45 PM Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > geo> Oh no. thought solving a math problem does not need an inner > > > separate > > > entiy. > > > > It needs time. > > > > And time is thought-formulated. > > > > > geo> I understand wht you are saying, but your usage of " thought " is > > > unique. > > > Again: what is consciousness according to your nomeclature? > > > > Consciousness is generated by an organism, allowing it to use energy to > > differentiate objects. > > > > Thought formulates the structure of the organism. > > > > Thought is the organism. > > > > The larger construct that maybe you and I would agree on might be > > " awareness. " > > > > I think you are using " consciousness " the way I would use " awareness. " > > > > However, looking deeply into the nature of " awareness, " the concept of > > awareness (thought-formulated) dissolves. > > > > This is why Niz said, " nothing not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > He spoke of a truth prior to " awareness. " > > > > Thought does not touch this. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > There is no truth " prior to awareness " . > > *Truth* is a concept. Awareness is content > absent of concepts. > > ~A Yes, there is truth prior to awareness. Niz called this " nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' " Awareness is not a content. Concept is content. Awareness is the context for content. Obviously, everything we say in words is conceptual. If that isn't clear at this point, I don't know what would be clear. geo> At this point? Are progressing from ...to... What do you mean? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > geo> Oh no. thought solving a math problem does not need an inner separate > > > > > entiy. > > > > > > > > It needs time. > > > > > > > > And time is thought-formulated. > > > > > > > > > geo> I understand wht you are saying, but your usage of " thought " is unique. > > > > > Again: what is consciousness according to your nomeclature? > > > > > > > > Consciousness is generated by an organism, allowing it to use energy to differentiate objects. > > > > > > > > Thought formulates the structure of the organism. > > > > > > > > Thought is the organism. > > > > > > > > The larger construct that maybe you and I would agree on might be " awareness. " > > > > > > > > I think you are using " consciousness " the way I would use " awareness. " > > > > > > > > However, looking deeply into the nature of " awareness, " the concept of awareness (thought-formulated) dissolves. > > > > > > > > This is why Niz said, " nothing not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > > > > > He spoke of a truth prior to " awareness. " > > > > > > > > Thought does not touch this. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conceptual thought speculates that beyond its purview there is a realm that it cannot touch. > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > It doesn't go anywhere. > > It dissolves. > > And one understands. > > -- Dan > Yes......and then sorts through its little bag-o-words for the right ones to bring the understanding back into a conceptual format. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 - geo Nisargadatta Friday, May 22, 2009 5:25 PM Re: Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Friday, May 22, 2009 4:45 PM Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > geo> Oh no. thought solving a math problem does not need an inner > > > separate > > > entiy. > > > > It needs time. > > > > And time is thought-formulated. > > > > > geo> I understand wht you are saying, but your usage of " thought " is > > > unique. > > > Again: what is consciousness according to your nomeclature? > > > > Consciousness is generated by an organism, allowing it to use energy to > > differentiate objects. > > > > Thought formulates the structure of the organism. > > > > Thought is the organism. > > > > The larger construct that maybe you and I would agree on might be > > " awareness. " > > > > I think you are using " consciousness " the way I would use " awareness. " > > > > However, looking deeply into the nature of " awareness, " the concept of > > awareness (thought-formulated) dissolves. > > > > This is why Niz said, " nothing not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > He spoke of a truth prior to " awareness. " > > > > Thought does not touch this. > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > There is no truth " prior to awareness " . > > *Truth* is a concept. Awareness is content > absent of concepts. > > ~A Yes, there is truth prior to awareness. Niz called this " nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' " Awareness is not a content. Concept is content. Awareness is the context for content. Obviously, everything we say in words is conceptual. If that isn't clear at this point, I don't know what would be clear. geo> At this point? Are progressing from ...to... What do you mean? I think you will have a hard time making some understand what you are saying when you use the terms " consciousness, awareness and thought " . You have invented your own meanings for them. Prior to consciousness....prior to awareness...(??????) Lets clear one point at least regarding this issue: Nis said " prior to consciousness is the ultimate " . This says something defintive about the expression " consciusness " . Now you are saying " prior to awareness.....something...and that Nis. said this or that about it " . You must agree.....it is confusing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 22, 2009 4:45 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > geo> Oh no. thought solving a math problem does not need an inner > > > > separate > > > > entiy. > > > > > > It needs time. > > > > > > And time is thought-formulated. > > > > > > > geo> I understand wht you are saying, but your usage of " thought " is > > > > unique. > > > > Again: what is consciousness according to your nomeclature? > > > > > > Consciousness is generated by an organism, allowing it to use energy to > > > differentiate objects. > > > > > > Thought formulates the structure of the organism. > > > > > > Thought is the organism. > > > > > > The larger construct that maybe you and I would agree on might be > > > " awareness. " > > > > > > I think you are using " consciousness " the way I would use " awareness. " > > > > > > However, looking deeply into the nature of " awareness, " the concept of > > > awareness (thought-formulated) dissolves. > > > > > > This is why Niz said, " nothing not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > > > He spoke of a truth prior to " awareness. " > > > > > > Thought does not touch this. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > There is no truth " prior to awareness " . > > > > *Truth* is a concept. Awareness is content > > absent of concepts. > > > > ~A > > Yes, there is truth prior to awareness. > > Niz called this " nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > Awareness is not a content. Concept is content. Awareness is the context for > content. > > Obviously, everything we say in words is conceptual. > > If that isn't clear at this point, I don't know what would be clear. > > geo> At this point? Are progressing from ...to... > What do you mean? At this point in our conversation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Yes......and then sorts through its little bag-o-words for the right ones to bring the understanding back into a conceptual format. > > > > > toombaru Yes. And so to be of service to humanity, like Jesus and Buddha. Buddhas of the internet. LOL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > geo > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 22, 2009 5:25 PM > Re: Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Friday, May 22, 2009 4:45 PM > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > geo> Oh no. thought solving a math problem does not need an inner > > > > separate > > > > entiy. > > > > > > It needs time. > > > > > > And time is thought-formulated. > > > > > > > geo> I understand wht you are saying, but your usage of " thought " is > > > > unique. > > > > Again: what is consciousness according to your nomeclature? > > > > > > Consciousness is generated by an organism, allowing it to use energy to > > > differentiate objects. > > > > > > Thought formulates the structure of the organism. > > > > > > Thought is the organism. > > > > > > The larger construct that maybe you and I would agree on might be > > > " awareness. " > > > > > > I think you are using " consciousness " the way I would use " awareness. " > > > > > > However, looking deeply into the nature of " awareness, " the concept of > > > awareness (thought-formulated) dissolves. > > > > > > This is why Niz said, " nothing not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > > > He spoke of a truth prior to " awareness. " > > > > > > Thought does not touch this. > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > There is no truth " prior to awareness " . > > > > *Truth* is a concept. Awareness is content > > absent of concepts. > > > > ~A > > Yes, there is truth prior to awareness. > > Niz called this " nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > Awareness is not a content. Concept is content. Awareness is the context for > content. > > Obviously, everything we say in words is conceptual. > > If that isn't clear at this point, I don't know what would be clear. > > geo> At this point? Are progressing from ...to... > What do you mean? > I think you will have a hard time making some understand what you are saying > when you > use the terms " consciousness, awareness and thought " . You have invented your > own > meanings for them. I've done my best to be clear how I'm using the terms. I don't think the way I'm using them is unusual. As I explained, it fits with Niz, it fits with others as well. But so what? Are you and I communicating? Have my explanations helped you understand what I've said? That's what counts. Maybe I wasted my time. It's okay, though. I'm happy knowing I did my best. > Prior to consciousness....prior to awareness...(??????) Yes. This is the point of no-time and no-location. It is the " eye of the needle, " that you can't pass through. You drop off - mind, body, past, thought, everything you thought was you. Perhaps you want to cling to " awareness " to something that everything is. This also dissolves. > Lets clear one point at least regarding this issue: Nis said " prior to > consciousness is the ultimate " . > This says something defintive about the expression " consciusness " . > Now you are saying " prior to awareness.....something...and that Nis. said > this or that about it " . > You must agree.....it is confusing. What is confusing about nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' Yes, Niz did say this. He spoke to what people were ready to hear and who his audience was. If he spoke to someone who was ready to release " the Ultimate " or " Awareness " he let them know that these go. The bottom line here is being nothing, having nothing, not even the concept or feeling of 'nothing.' Do you understand this, because if you do, the way I'm using words should be clear ... -- Dan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, May 22, 2009 5:25 PM > > Re: Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, May 22, 2009 4:45 PM > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > geo> Oh no. thought solving a math problem does not need an inner > > > > > separate > > > > > entiy. > > > > > > > > It needs time. > > > > > > > > And time is thought-formulated. > > > > > > > > > geo> I understand wht you are saying, but your usage of " thought " is > > > > > unique. > > > > > Again: what is consciousness according to your nomeclature? > > > > > > > > Consciousness is generated by an organism, allowing it to use energy to > > > > differentiate objects. > > > > > > > > Thought formulates the structure of the organism. > > > > > > > > Thought is the organism. > > > > > > > > The larger construct that maybe you and I would agree on might be > > > > " awareness. " > > > > > > > > I think you are using " consciousness " the way I would use " awareness. " > > > > > > > > However, looking deeply into the nature of " awareness, " the concept of > > > > awareness (thought-formulated) dissolves. > > > > > > > > This is why Niz said, " nothing not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > > > > > He spoke of a truth prior to " awareness. " > > > > > > > > Thought does not touch this. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no truth " prior to awareness " . > > > > > > *Truth* is a concept. Awareness is content > > > absent of concepts. > > > > > > ~A > > > > Yes, there is truth prior to awareness. > > > > Niz called this " nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > Awareness is not a content. Concept is content. Awareness is the context for > > content. > > > > Obviously, everything we say in words is conceptual. > > > > If that isn't clear at this point, I don't know what would be clear. > > > > geo> At this point? Are progressing from ...to... > > What do you mean? > > I think you will have a hard time making some understand what you are saying > > when you > > use the terms " consciousness, awareness and thought " . You have invented your > > own > > meanings for them. > > I've done my best to be clear how I'm using the terms. > > I don't think the way I'm using them is unusual. > > As I explained, it fits with Niz, it fits with others as well. > > But so what? > > Are you and I communicating? > > Have my explanations helped you understand what I've said? > > That's what counts. > > Maybe I wasted my time. > > It's okay, though. > > I'm happy knowing I did my best. > > > Prior to consciousness....prior to awareness...(??????) > > Yes. > > This is the point of no-time and no-location. > > It is the " eye of the needle, " that you can't pass through. > > You drop off - mind, body, past, thought, everything you thought was you. > > Perhaps you want to cling to " awareness " to something that everything is. > > This also dissolves. > > > Lets clear one point at least regarding this issue: Nis said " prior to > > consciousness is the ultimate " . > > This says something defintive about the expression " consciusness " . > > Now you are saying " prior to awareness.....something...and that Nis. said > > this or that about it " . > > You must agree.....it is confusing. > > What is confusing about nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' > > Yes, Niz did say this. > > He spoke to what people were ready to hear and who his audience was. > > If he spoke to someone who was ready to release " the Ultimate " or " Awareness " he let them know that these go. > > The bottom line here is being nothing, having nothing, not even the concept or feeling of 'nothing.' > > Do you understand this, because if you do, the way I'm using words should be clear ... > > > -- Dan > There is a book named " Intelligent Thought " in which authors from various scientific disciplines take on " intelligent design " . One of them starts out his chapter with: " I can't believe that we are even discussing intelligent design! " When the Understanding dawns concerning the emptiness of self and its pseudo reality.....it is so apparent that it defies all attempts to put the new world into words.....(mostly because it is conceptual thought that is the root of the " problem " ). There are a few that are heads and shoulders above the others in the attempt to capture this elusive beast in a net of words. The rest may have the same understanding but lack the fine tuned ability to convert the understanding into an understandable format. It isn't that they don't understand completely.......they just don't understand how to speak of the Understanding. But I sure as hell love all those who try. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 22, 2009 - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Friday, May 22, 2009 6:27 PM Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > geo > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, May 22, 2009 5:25 PM > > Re: Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Friday, May 22, 2009 4:45 PM > > Re: no pattern P.S. P.S2 > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > geo> Oh no. thought solving a math problem does not need an inner > > > > > separate > > > > > entiy. > > > > > > > > It needs time. > > > > > > > > And time is thought-formulated. > > > > > > > > > geo> I understand wht you are saying, but your usage of " thought " > > > > > is > > > > > unique. > > > > > Again: what is consciousness according to your nomeclature? > > > > > > > > Consciousness is generated by an organism, allowing it to use energy > > > > to > > > > differentiate objects. > > > > > > > > Thought formulates the structure of the organism. > > > > > > > > Thought is the organism. > > > > > > > > The larger construct that maybe you and I would agree on might be > > > > " awareness. " > > > > > > > > I think you are using " consciousness " the way I would use > > > > " awareness. " > > > > > > > > However, looking deeply into the nature of " awareness, " the concept > > > > of > > > > awareness (thought-formulated) dissolves. > > > > > > > > This is why Niz said, " nothing not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > > > > > He spoke of a truth prior to " awareness. " > > > > > > > > Thought does not touch this. > > > > > > > > -- Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no truth " prior to awareness " . > > > > > > *Truth* is a concept. Awareness is content > > > absent of concepts. > > > > > > ~A > > > > Yes, there is truth prior to awareness. > > > > Niz called this " nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' " > > > > Awareness is not a content. Concept is content. Awareness is the context > > for > > content. > > > > Obviously, everything we say in words is conceptual. > > > > If that isn't clear at this point, I don't know what would be clear. > > > > geo> At this point? Are progressing from ...to... > > What do you mean? > > I think you will have a hard time making some understand what you are > > saying > > when you > > use the terms " consciousness, awareness and thought " . You have invented > > your > > own > > meanings for them. > > I've done my best to be clear how I'm using the terms. > > I don't think the way I'm using them is unusual. > > As I explained, it fits with Niz, it fits with others as well. > > But so what? > > Are you and I communicating? > > Have my explanations helped you understand what I've said? > > That's what counts. > > Maybe I wasted my time. > > It's okay, though. > > I'm happy knowing I did my best. > > > Prior to consciousness....prior to awareness...(??????) > > Yes. > > This is the point of no-time and no-location. > > It is the " eye of the needle, " that you can't pass through. > > You drop off - mind, body, past, thought, everything you thought was you. > > Perhaps you want to cling to " awareness " to something that everything is. > > This also dissolves. > > > Lets clear one point at least regarding this issue: Nis said " prior to > > consciousness is the ultimate " . > > This says something defintive about the expression " consciusness " . > > Now you are saying " prior to awareness.....something...and that Nis. > > said > > this or that about it " . > > You must agree.....it is confusing. > > What is confusing about nothing -- not even the concept of 'nothing.' > > Yes, Niz did say this. > > He spoke to what people were ready to hear and who his audience was. > > If he spoke to someone who was ready to release " the Ultimate " or > " Awareness " he let them know that these go. > > The bottom line here is being nothing, having nothing, not even the > concept or feeling of 'nothing.' > > Do you understand this, because if you do, the way I'm using words should > be clear ... > > > -- Dan > There is a book named " Intelligent Thought " in which authors from various scientific disciplines take on " intelligent design " . One of them starts out his chapter with: " I can't believe that we are even discussing intelligent design! " When the Understanding dawns concerning the emptiness of self and its pseudo reality.....it is so apparent that it defies all attempts to put the new world into words.....(mostly because it is conceptual thought that is the root of the " problem " ). There are a few that are heads and shoulders above the others in the attempt to capture this elusive beast in a net of words. The rest may have the same understanding but lack the fine tuned ability to convert the understanding into an understandable format. It isn't that they don't understand completely.......they just don't understand how to speak of the Understanding. But I sure as hell love all those who try. toombaru Yes, I understand what you are saying, and even " Dan's - as he called it - bottom line " . I was just pointing out some wide nomeclature discrepancies, considering that this forum is somehow vaguely, in some misty manner, related to the fellow nis. Not important though... -geo- .. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > You just offered words. > > Which you say are just words and mean whatever I want them to mean. > > I don't want them to mean anything. > > You haven't blown over anything, just put out words that you say > don't mean anything. Would you know whether I've blown over anything? Are you here? Is any " you " ever here? No. Only " I " am here. Aren't I, the reader of this message, here? Are you, the writer, here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 23, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > Dismissing a particular concept such as " truth " to fit one's preferences is silly. Dismiss them all, or dismiss none. > > They dissolve. > > Be aware of them dissolving. Whom is being addressed? I'm not aware of anything present, or dissolving. > Dissolution also goes, and going goes. > > Nothing, not even the concept of 'nothing.' Who is lecturing, and who's being lectured? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
