Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling > > and > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to > > do > > > > with > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > > perception > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > > dreams..... > > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The perfectly quiescent mind..........is like the still wind. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > what about the winds outside...up there.....in heaven? > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as wind. > > > > .......at what speed does moving air become 'wind'? > > Where does the wind reside......when the air stops moving? > > Where does the fist go when you open your hand? > > Where does your lap go ,,,,,when you stand up? > > > > toombaru? this are the perfect questions for a mind-slave.... i know that it's not necessary to even " think " about such questions.... the truth is here and now.... however and wherever is the (still) wind Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 What a pity that I canot partake in your topic, I never had a quiet mind - or at least I can't remember it ever was quiet for a longer period. But I can express my admiration for you Toomb and Marc for your deep insight which definitely must have its origin in deep peace and quiescence. Whenever I am visiting this list I am filled with awe of those many enlightened members crowding it. Werner Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no thought? > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > - no > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling and > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody cares > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to do > > with > > > > the world? > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this perception > > > without thinking. > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes dreams..... > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > The perfectly quiescent mind..........is like the still wind. > > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless > bubbling > > > and > > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why > not.....nobody > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something > to > > > do > > > > > with > > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > > > perception > > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > > > dreams..... > > > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The perfectly quiescent mind..........is like the still wind. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > what about the winds outside...up there.....in heaven? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as wind. > > > > > > > > .......at what speed does moving air become 'wind'? > > > > Where does the wind reside......when the air stops moving? > > > > Where does the fist go when you open your hand? > > > > Where does your lap go ,,,,,when you stand up? > > > > > > > > toombaru? > > > > this are the perfect questions for a mind-slave.... > > i know that it's not necessary to even " think " about such > questions.... > > the truth is here and now.... > > however and wherever is the (still) wind > > Marc > > > > > Marc Don't run away from this. It's time to awaken. Don't pull that old blanket up over your I-s....and go back to sleep. You are much closer then you think. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > <bigwaaba@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no > > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless > > bubbling > > > > and > > > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why > > not.....nobody > > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something > > to > > > > do > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > > > > perception > > > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > > > > dreams..... > > > > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The perfectly quiescent mind..........is like the still wind. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > what about the winds outside...up there.....in heaven? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as wind. > > > > > > > > > > > > .......at what speed does moving air become 'wind'? > > > > > > Where does the wind reside......when the air stops moving? > > > > > > Where does the fist go when you open your hand? > > > > > > Where does your lap go ,,,,,when you stand up? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru? > > > > > > > > this are the perfect questions for a mind-slave.... > > > > i know that it's not necessary to even " think " about such > > questions.... > > > > the truth is here and now.... > > > > however and wherever is the (still) wind > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > Don't run away from this. > > > > It's time to awaken. > > > > > Don't pull that old blanket up over your I-s....and go back to sleep. > > > > You are much closer then you think. > > > > toombaru " Don't pull that old blanket up over your I-s....and go back to sleep " what do you mean?..... (you are under the influence of strong winds?) Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 > > " Don't pull that old blanket up over your I-s....and go back to sleep " > > what do you mean?..... > The blanket woven of memories......the comfort of the familiar. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > yes Werner......the cosmos risc to become too smal....for this...with intelligence filled up brains.... lol Marc > What a pity that I canot partake in your topic, I never had a quiet > mind - or at least I can't remember it ever was quiet for a longer > period. > > But I can express my admiration for you Toomb and Marc for your deep > insight which definitely must have its origin in deep peace and > quiescence. > > Whenever I am visiting this list I am filled with awe of those many > enlightened members crowding it. > > Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no > thought? > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling > and > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody > cares > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to > do > > > with > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > perception > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > dreams..... > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > > > > > > The perfectly quiescent mind..........is like the still wind. > > > > toombaru > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > " Don't pull that old blanket up over your I-s....and go back to sleep " > > > > what do you mean?..... > > > > > The blanket woven of memories......the comfort of the familiar. > > > toombaru you mean...to push the " delete " button...? yes...in every " now " ....there is lost of memory (Karma) Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/6/2006 9:54:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:27:12 -0000 > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > Nisargadatta , epston@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/5/2006 9:01:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > L.E: I agree with you, but that's not what he is talking about. > > > > >He is using language to describe experience, perception which is not a > > > > >thought, but he is using thought/language to describe it to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > Toombaru: Hummm ....using thought to describe that which isn't thought. > > > > > > > > Are you sure that you want to stick with that? > > > > > > L.E: Why is that a problem for you? A burp or fart is not a thought, and > > > hearing it or smelling it is not a thought, but talking about it or > > writing about > > > it is. We use thinking and talking to communicate about actual events all > > the > > > time. The actual events are not thinking unless we get into the > > " everything > > > is a dream " or a thought in the mind of the divine again. If the divine > > or > > > infinite consciousness is making all this reality up then I suppose > > everything > > > is a thought in the Infinite Mind. But in our ordinary world we can make > > > distinctions between things, events and thoughts. > > > > > > Larry Epston > > > > > > > > > I will give you ten thousand dollars if you can tell me something that > > doesn't have a name. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > You're asking Larry to communicate this to you? > > > > > > > The offer is extended to all. > > toombaru Think for a moment, toombaru: how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a name? what a silly question is that? Len Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > [and, there is very little I can > > do about it!] > > > > > There is absolutely nothing 'you' can do about 'it'......or anything else.... > > .......for two very good reasons.....There in no you and no it. > > > toombaru Yes, there is just you who cannot stop spitting out this nonsense. Len Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a name? > > Len > Does that tell you anything? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > " Don't pull that old blanket up over your I-s....and go back to > sleep " > > > > > > what do you mean?..... > > > > > > > > > The blanket woven of memories......the comfort of the familiar. > > > > > > toombaru > > > you mean...to push the " delete " button...? No. > > yes...in every " now " ....there is lost of memory (Karma) > > Marc > There is no karma. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > good! You guys really need a serious kick in the ass. Len Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 In a message dated 3/7/2006 2:36:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 04:02:47 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > having a discussion with someone who really isn't here seems redumbdant > That's cute...and a really tricky way to back out of a discussion when confusion raises its head. toombaru Ask not for whom the toom tolls........ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Don't pull that old blanket up over your I-s....and go back to > > sleep " > > > > > > > > what do you mean?..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > The blanket woven of memories......the comfort of the familiar. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > you mean...to push the " delete " button...? > > > No. > > > > > > yes...in every " now " ....there is lost of memory (Karma) > > > > Marc > > > > > There is no karma. > > > toombaru yes....i know.....but before there has been Karma now....it's gone..... it has been encluded in a long long dream...... the dream is over.... now Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 In a message dated 3/7/2006 2:36:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 04:58:20 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > Buddhism & Hinduism: A blessed state > in which the ___individual___ > transcends desire and suffering > and attains Nirvana. > > There in no individual! toombaru Agreed. That's possibly the worst definition of enlightenment I've heard. No individual ever became enlightened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 if one is confused (perhaps you) who's issue is that? - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Monday, March 06, 2006 11:02 PM Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > having a discussion with someone who really isn't here seems redumbdant > That's cute...and a really tricky way to back out of a discussion when confusion raises its head. toombaru ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 In a message dated 3/7/2006 2:36:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 05:54:47 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > What occurs to me is the remarkable convenience of such an approach. First > of all, the process of negation of the illusion, or for that matter words > themselves, is child's play since the answer is always 'no' within the defined > context. There is no risk of being wrong or challenged. Secondly, even if one > gets brave and offers a conceptual understanding, it need never be defended > since the author can simply conceptually vanish at any uncomfortable moment, or > choose to negate argument or the counter argument. > So, yes, any sort of communication is of questionable value to begin with. > Deeper yet is the assumption of a volitional self that is the communicator. toombaru The assumption is presently in alignment with one's greatest awareness. The deception, however, is denial and lack of integrity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a name? > > > > > Len > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > toombaru That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? Len Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 deeper yet are the ones who are hoisted by their own petard - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Tuesday, March 07, 2006 12:54 AM Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > What occurs to me is the remarkable convenience of such an approach. First > of all, the process of negation of the illusion, or for that matter words > themselves, is child's play since the answer is always 'no' within the defined > context. There is no risk of being wrong or challenged. Secondly, even if one > gets brave and offers a conceptual understanding, it need never be defended > since the author can simply conceptually vanish at any uncomfortable moment, or > choose to negate argument or the counter argument. > So, yes, any sort of communication is of questionable value to begin with. > Deeper yet is the assumption of a volitional self that is the communicator. toombaru ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 > > > Yes, there is just you who cannot stop spitting out this nonsense. > > Len > Old toombaru hears a small voice coming from just beyond the fire's edge. " Come here " ..... he says softly. " I know that these thoughts can be very unsettling.......Every thing that you thought you know appears to be in jeopardy.........but we have come so far into the forest.....that now.........there in no turning back......The forest that we knew.......has dissolved.......there is nothing there now.............I'm afraid that we will have to go on.......until we reach the edge. Only the bravest are here tonight....and I salute you.......... This small band of comrades has become lost from the main force....and has no choice but to trudge on....into the emptiness. " toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 (of course, one could say " why does it need to be understood " but then that would start the whole illusionary ego-go-round discussion again) - bigwaaba Nisargadatta Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:21 AM Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > toombaru > good! ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 LOL!! ego meets Ultimate Reality! - s_i_l_v_e_r1069 Nisargadatta Tuesday, March 07, 2006 5:34 AM Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Are you ready to fork over the hundred thou? I'll tell you what enlightenment is. But first you have to show me the money. " Silver " Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will give you ten thousand dollars if you can tell me > > > something that > > > > > doesn't have a name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're asking Larry to communicate this to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The offer is extended to all. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are still to deliver on > > > your year old " promise " , Toombaru! > > > > > > Quit it . . . > > > > > > > > > I offered a hundred thousand dollars to anyone who could tell me > what 'enlightenment' > > was...........To date there are no takers. > > Here: > > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=enlightenment > > en.light.en.ment ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-ltn-mnt) > n. > > The act or a means of enlightening. > The state of being enlightened. > > Enlightenment A philosophical movement of the 18th century that > emphasized the use of reason to scrutinize previously accepted > doctrines and traditions and that brought about many humanitarian > reforms. > > Buddhism & Hinduism. A blessed state in which the individual > transcends desire and suffering and attains Nirvana. > > > Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, > Fourth Edition > 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. > > > > > > > > Every seeker wants it.......but not one knows what it is. > > > > > > Do you find that odd? > > > > toombaru > > > ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 " damned " and " peace " seem to be redumbdant.... the dvd in me, recognizes the dvd in you - bigwaaba Nisargadatta Tuesday, March 07, 2006 6:17 AM Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > Ramana > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no thought? > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > - no W: LOL!!! > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling and > > > thoughts? > > > > W: we do not know > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody cares > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to do > with > > > the world? > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this perception > > without thinking. > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes dreams..... > all this things are related to the world perception.... > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the thought of it thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you are so attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not for you not for the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > (of course, one could say " why does it need to be understood " but then that would start the whole illusionary ego-go-round discussion again) Understanding is the door Home. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > (of course, one could say " why does it need to be understood " but then that would start the > whole illusionary ego-go-round discussion again) > > > > > Understanding is the door Home. > > > toombaru ....and when there is nobody " who " could understand..... the door remain open Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
