Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > having a discussion with someone who really isn't here seems redumbdant > That's cute...and a really tricky way to back out of a discussion when confusion raises its head. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " > > <adithya_comming@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will give you ten thousand dollars if you can tell me > > > > > > something that > > > > > > > > doesn't have a name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're asking Larry to communicate this to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The offer is extended to all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are still to deliver on > > > > > > your year old " promise " , Toombaru! > > > > > > > > > > > > Quit it . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I offered a hundred thousand dollars to anyone who could tell > > me > > > > what 'enlightenment' > > > > > was...........To date there are no takers. > > > > > > > > Here: > > > > > > > > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=enlightenment > > > > > > > > en•light•en•ment ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-ltn-mnt) > > > > n. > > > > > > > > The act or a means of enlightening. > > > > The state of being enlightened. > > > > > > > > Enlightenment A philosophical movement of the 18th century that > > > > emphasized the use of reason to scrutinize previously accepted > > > > doctrines and traditions and that brought about many > > humanitarian > > > > reforms. > > > > > > > > Buddhism & Hinduism. A blessed state in which the individual > > > > transcends desire and suffering and attains Nirvana. > > > > > > > > > > > > Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English > > Language, > > > > Fourth Edition > > > > 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every seeker wants it.......but not one knows what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you find that odd? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gee..........I'm afraid that I still can't really see > > what 'enlightenment' really is. > > > > > > > > > Enlightenment: the state of being enlightened. > > > > > > (see what I mean) > > > > > > Buddhism & Hinduism: A blessed state > > in which the ___individual___ > > transcends desire and suffering > > and attains Nirvana. > > > > > > Kinda like a dark becomes enlightened when the sun comes up? You can pretend to not understand what seems to written clearly enough: [and, there is very little I can do about it!] .... Buddhism & Hinduism: A blessed state in which the ___individual___ transcends desire and suffering and attains Nirvana. > > > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " > <adithya_comming@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " > > > <adithya_comming@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will give you ten thousand dollars if you can tell > me > > > > > > > something that > > > > > > > > > doesn't have a name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're asking Larry to communicate this to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The offer is extended to all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are still to deliver on > > > > > > > your year old " promise " , Toombaru! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quit it . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I offered a hundred thousand dollars to anyone who could > tell > > > me > > > > > what 'enlightenment' > > > > > > was...........To date there are no takers. > > > > > > > > > > Here: > > > > > > > > > > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=enlightenment > > > > > > > > > > en•light•en•ment ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-ltn-mnt) > > > > > n. > > > > > > > > > > The act or a means of enlightening. > > > > > The state of being enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > Enlightenment A philosophical movement of the 18th century > that > > > > > emphasized the use of reason to scrutinize previously > accepted > > > > > doctrines and traditions and that brought about many > > > humanitarian > > > > > reforms. > > > > > > > > > > Buddhism & Hinduism. A blessed state in which the individual > > > > > transcends desire and suffering and attains Nirvana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English > > > Language, > > > > > Fourth Edition > > > > > 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every seeker wants it.......but not one knows what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you find that odd? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gee..........I'm afraid that I still can't really see > > > what 'enlightenment' really is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Enlightenment: the state of being enlightened. > > > > > > > > (see what I mean) > > > > > > > > > Buddhism & Hinduism: A blessed state > > > in which the ___individual___ > > > transcends desire and suffering > > > and attains Nirvana. > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like a dark becomes enlightened when the sun comes up? > > You can pretend to not understand > what seems to written clearly enough: > > [and, there is very little I can > do about it!] > > ... > > > > Buddhism & Hinduism: A blessed state > in which the ___individual___ > transcends desire and suffering > and attains Nirvana. > > There in no individual! toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " > <adithya_comming@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " > > > <adithya_comming@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will give you ten thousand dollars if you can tell > me > > > > > > > something that > > > > > > > > > doesn't have a name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're asking Larry to communicate this to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The offer is extended to all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are still to deliver on > > > > > > > your year old " promise " , Toombaru! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quit it . . . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I offered a hundred thousand dollars to anyone who could > tell > > > me > > > > > what 'enlightenment' > > > > > > was...........To date there are no takers. > > > > > > > > > > Here: > > > > > > > > > > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=enlightenment > > > > > > > > > > en•light•en•ment ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-ltn-mnt) > > > > > n. > > > > > > > > > > The act or a means of enlightening. > > > > > The state of being enlightened. > > > > > > > > > > Enlightenment A philosophical movement of the 18th century > that > > > > > emphasized the use of reason to scrutinize previously > accepted > > > > > doctrines and traditions and that brought about many > > > humanitarian > > > > > reforms. > > > > > > > > > > Buddhism & Hinduism. A blessed state in which the individual > > > > > transcends desire and suffering and attains Nirvana. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English > > > Language, > > > > > Fourth Edition > > > > > 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every seeker wants it.......but not one knows what it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you find that odd? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gee..........I'm afraid that I still can't really see > > > what 'enlightenment' really is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Enlightenment: the state of being enlightened. > > > > > > > > (see what I mean) > > > > > > > > > Buddhism & Hinduism: A blessed state > > > in which the ___individual___ > > > transcends desire and suffering > > > and attains Nirvana. > > > > > > > > > > > Kinda like a dark becomes enlightened when the sun comes up? > > You can pretend to not understand > what seems to written clearly enough: > > [and, there is very little I can > do about it!] > > ... > > > > Buddhism & Hinduism: A blessed state > in which the ___individual___ > transcends desire and suffering > and attains Nirvana. > > Have you ever read 'I Am That " or anything else written about Nisargadatta? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 > [and, there is very little I can > do about it!] > There is absolutely nothing 'you' can do about 'it'......or anything else.... ........for two very good reasons.....There in no you and no it. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > What occurs to me is the remarkable convenience of such an approach. First > of all, the process of negation of the illusion, or for that matter words > themselves, is child's play since the answer is always 'no' within the defined > context. There is no risk of being wrong or challenged. Secondly, even if one > gets brave and offers a conceptual understanding, it need never be defended > since the author can simply conceptually vanish at any uncomfortable moment, or > choose to negate argument or the counter argument. > So, yes, any sort of communication is of questionable value to begin with. > Deeper yet is the assumption of a volitional self that is the communicator. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > toombaru > good! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Are you ready to fork over the hundred thou? I'll tell you what enlightenment is. But first you have to show me the money. " Silver " Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Arvind " <adithya_comming@> > wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will give you ten thousand dollars if you can tell me > > > something that > > > > > doesn't have a name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're asking Larry to communicate this to you? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The offer is extended to all. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are still to deliver on > > > your year old " promise " , Toombaru! > > > > > > Quit it . . . > > > > > > > > > I offered a hundred thousand dollars to anyone who could tell me > what 'enlightenment' > > was...........To date there are no takers. > > Here: > > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=enlightenment > > en•light•en•ment ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-ltn-mnt) > n. > > The act or a means of enlightening. > The state of being enlightened. > > Enlightenment A philosophical movement of the 18th century that > emphasized the use of reason to scrutinize previously accepted > doctrines and traditions and that brought about many humanitarian > reforms. > > Buddhism & Hinduism. A blessed state in which the individual > transcends desire and suffering and attains Nirvana. > > > Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, > Fourth Edition > 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. > > > > > > > > Every seeker wants it.......but not one knows what it is. > > > > > > Do you find that odd? > > > > toombaru > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > good! " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " Ramana Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no thought? or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling and thoughts? or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to do with the world? > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > good! > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > Ramana > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no thought? W: there is always a thought! > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling and > thoughts? W: we do not know > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to do with > the world? W: i do not know what they are referring to with this perception without thinking. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > Ramana > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no thought? > > W: there is always a thought! - no > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling and > > thoughts? > > W: we do not know - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody cares > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to do with > > the world? > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this perception > without thinking. - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes dreams..... all this things are related to the world perception.... therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > Ramana > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no thought? > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > - no W: LOL!!! > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling and > > > thoughts? > > > > W: we do not know > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody cares > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to do > with > > > the world? > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this perception > > without thinking. > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes dreams..... > all this things are related to the world perception.... > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the thought of it thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you are so attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not for you not for the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no > thought? > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > - no > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling and > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody > cares > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to do > > with > > > > the world? > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this perception > > > without thinking. > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes dreams..... > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the thought of it > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you are so > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not for you > not for the world. yes....this your words....are the words of a good! ....mind slave Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no > > thought? > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > - no > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling > and > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody > > cares > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to > do > > > with > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > perception > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > dreams..... > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the thought of it > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you are so > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not for you > > not for the world. > > yes....this your words....are the words of a good! ....mind slave > > > > Marc> > > > AH! you with your games of master and slave and not a single moment of sincerity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling > > and > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to > > do > > > > with > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > > perception > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > > dreams..... > > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the thought of it > > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you are so > > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not for > you > > > not for the world. > > > > yes....this your words....are the words of a good! ....mind slave > > > > > > > > Marc> > > > > > > AH! you with your games of master and slave > > and not a single moment of sincerity i'm sorry.....i wrote with sincerity and i still do......everything else would be non-sense, indeed if my words can't be of your satisfaction......this has nothing to do with mySelf.... ciao bigwaaba Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no > > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless > bubbling > > > and > > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why > not.....nobody > > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something > to > > > do > > > > > with > > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > > > perception > > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > > > dreams..... > > > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the thought of > it > > > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you are > so > > > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not for > > you > > > > not for the world. > > > > > > yes....this your words....are the words of a good! ....mind slave > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc> > > > > > > > > > AH! you with your games of master and slave > > > > and not a single moment of sincerity > > > > i'm sorry.....i wrote with sincerity > > and i still do......everything else would be non-sense, indeed > > if my words can't be of your satisfaction......this has nothing to do > with mySelf.... > > ciao bigwaaba > > Marc > ok, beyond this " mind slave " ... " I'm sorry " ... have you something to tell me about this perception without thinking? i mean, have you ever experienced something with no thinking process going on? this i mean for sincerity. tell me about that, or do you prefer to hide in your cave and weep? > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > <bigwaaba@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is > no > > > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless > > bubbling > > > > and > > > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why > > not.....nobody > > > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has > something > > to > > > > do > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > > > > perception > > > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > > > > dreams..... > > > > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world > related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the thought > of > > it > > > > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you are > > so > > > > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not > for > > > you > > > > > not for the world. > > > > > > > > yes....this your words....are the words of a good! ....mind > slave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc> > > > > > > > > > > > > AH! you with your games of master and slave > > > > > > and not a single moment of sincerity > > > > > > > > i'm sorry.....i wrote with sincerity > > > > and i still do......everything else would be non-sense, indeed > > > > if my words can't be of your satisfaction......this has nothing to > do > > with mySelf.... > > > > ciao bigwaaba > > > > Marc > > > > ok, beyond this " mind slave " ... " I'm sorry " ... > > have you something to tell me about this perception without thinking? > i mean, have you ever experienced something with no thinking process > going on? this i mean for sincerity. > tell me about that, or do you prefer to hide in your cave and weep? > > if you would have little awareness.....about what it mean to be " without thinking " ......maybe you would have better understanding for the words it seem....and i repeat....that you have nothing but endless thoughts.....appearing....... that you have no experience of real meditation...and " behind mind " .... how could i explain....if all the messages i already wrote.... and still write.......have no meaning in your eyes.... i'm not the one who " hide " ...wherever.... but i think that you should seriously start to think about...one day......about the reason of your thoughts coming and going.....without end Marc > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > > <bigwaaba@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is > understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there > is > > no > > > > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless > > > bubbling > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why > > > not.....nobody > > > > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has > > something > > > to > > > > > do > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > > > > > perception > > > > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > > > > > dreams..... > > > > > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world > > related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the > thought > > of > > > it > > > > > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you > are > > > so > > > > > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not > > for > > > > you > > > > > > not for the world. > > > > > > > > > > yes....this your words....are the words of a good! ....mind > > slave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AH! you with your games of master and slave > > > > > > > > and not a single moment of sincerity > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm sorry.....i wrote with sincerity > > > > > > and i still do......everything else would be non-sense, indeed > > > > > > if my words can't be of your satisfaction......this has nothing > to > > do > > > with mySelf.... > > > > > > ciao bigwaaba > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > ok, beyond this " mind slave " ... " I'm sorry " ... > > > > have you something to tell me about this perception without > thinking? > > i mean, have you ever experienced something with no thinking > process > > going on? this i mean for sincerity. > > tell me about that, or do you prefer to hide in your cave and weep? > > > > > if you would have little awareness.....about what it mean to > be " without thinking " ......maybe you would have better understanding > for the words > > it seem....and i repeat....that you have nothing but endless > thoughts.....appearing....... > that you have no experience of real meditation...and " behind mind " .... > > how could i explain....if all the messages i already wrote.... > and still write.......have no meaning in your eyes.... > > i'm not the one who " hide " ...wherever.... > > but i think that you should seriously start to think about...one > day......about the reason of your thoughts coming and > going.....without end > > Marc > > > LOL! go back to your cave and meditate! you have not answered to the question: have you experienced something with no thinking process going on? > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > <bigwaaba@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > > > <bigwaaba@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding > thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is > > understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there > > is > > > no > > > > > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless > > > > bubbling > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why > > > > not.....nobody > > > > > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has > > > something > > > > to > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > > > > > > perception > > > > > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind > is > > > > > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > > > > > > dreams..... > > > > > > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > > > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world > > > related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the > > thought > > > of > > > > it > > > > > > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you > > are > > > > so > > > > > > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, > not > > > for > > > > > you > > > > > > > not for the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....this your words....are the words of a good! ....mind > > > slave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AH! you with your games of master and slave > > > > > > > > > > and not a single moment of sincerity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm sorry.....i wrote with sincerity > > > > > > > > and i still do......everything else would be non-sense, indeed > > > > > > > > if my words can't be of your satisfaction......this has nothing > > to > > > do > > > > with mySelf.... > > > > > > > > ciao bigwaaba > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > ok, beyond this " mind slave " ... " I'm sorry " ... > > > > > > have you something to tell me about this perception without > > thinking? > > > i mean, have you ever experienced something with no thinking > > process > > > going on? this i mean for sincerity. > > > tell me about that, or do you prefer to hide in your cave and > weep? > > > > > > > > if you would have little awareness.....about what it mean to > > be " without thinking " ......maybe you would have better > understanding > > for the words > > > > it seem....and i repeat....that you have nothing but endless > > thoughts.....appearing....... > > that you have no experience of real meditation...and " behind > mind " .... > > > > how could i explain....if all the messages i already wrote.... > > and still write.......have no meaning in your eyes.... > > > > i'm not the one who " hide " ...wherever.... > > > > but i think that you should seriously start to think about...one > > day......about the reason of your thoughts coming and > > going.....without end > > > > Marc > > > > > > LOL! > go back to your cave and meditate! > you have not answered to the question: have you experienced something > with no thinking process going on? > > >there is " no thinking perception " .....thats we talk about what in your opinion would be a " no thinking process going on " ....? Marc > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > > <bigwaaba@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > > > > <bigwaaba@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding > > thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is > > > understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a > thought " > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when > there > > > is > > > > no > > > > > > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by > endless > > > > > bubbling > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why > > > > > not.....nobody > > > > > > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has > > > > something > > > > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with > this > > > > > > > perception > > > > > > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the > mind > > is > > > > > > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, > wishes > > > > > > > dreams..... > > > > > > > > > all this things are related to the world > perception.... > > > > > > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not > world > > > > related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the > > > thought > > > > of > > > > > it > > > > > > > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because > you > > > are > > > > > so > > > > > > > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, > > not > > > > for > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > not for the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....this your words....are the words of a > good! ....mind > > > > slave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AH! you with your games of master and slave > > > > > > > > > > > > and not a single moment of sincerity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm sorry.....i wrote with sincerity > > > > > > > > > > and i still do......everything else would be non-sense, indeed > > > > > > > > > > if my words can't be of your satisfaction......this has > nothing > > > to > > > > do > > > > > with mySelf.... > > > > > > > > > > ciao bigwaaba > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, beyond this " mind slave " ... " I'm sorry " ... > > > > > > > > have you something to tell me about this perception without > > > thinking? > > > > i mean, have you ever experienced something with no thinking > > > process > > > > going on? this i mean for sincerity. > > > > tell me about that, or do you prefer to hide in your cave and > > weep? > > > > > > > > > > > if you would have little awareness.....about what it mean to > > > be " without thinking " ......maybe you would have better > > understanding > > > for the words > > > > > > it seem....and i repeat....that you have nothing but endless > > > thoughts.....appearing....... > > > that you have no experience of real meditation...and " behind > > mind " .... > > > > > > how could i explain....if all the messages i already wrote.... > > > and still write.......have no meaning in your eyes.... > > > > > > i'm not the one who " hide " ...wherever.... > > > > > > but i think that you should seriously start to think about...one > > > day......about the reason of your thoughts coming and > > > going.....without end > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > go back to your cave and meditate! > > you have not answered to the question: have you experienced > something > > with no thinking process going on? > > > > > >there is " no thinking perception " .....thats we talk about > > what in your opinion would be a " no thinking process going on " ....? > > Marc Ps: go on and have a meditation......then you don't need to ask such superficial questions....concerning yourSelf > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > > <bigwaaba@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > > > > <bigwaaba@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding > > thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is > > > understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a > thought " > > > > > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when > there > > > is > > > > no > > > > > > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by > endless > > > > > bubbling > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why > > > > > not.....nobody > > > > > > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has > > > > something > > > > > to > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with > this > > > > > > > perception > > > > > > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the > mind > > is > > > > > > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, > wishes > > > > > > > dreams..... > > > > > > > > > all this things are related to the world > perception.... > > > > > > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not > world > > > > related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the > > > thought > > > > of > > > > > it > > > > > > > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because > you > > > are > > > > > so > > > > > > > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, > > not > > > > for > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > not for the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....this your words....are the words of a > good! ....mind > > > > slave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AH! you with your games of master and slave > > > > > > > > > > > > and not a single moment of sincerity > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm sorry.....i wrote with sincerity > > > > > > > > > > and i still do......everything else would be non-sense, indeed > > > > > > > > > > if my words can't be of your satisfaction......this has > nothing > > > to > > > > do > > > > > with mySelf.... > > > > > > > > > > ciao bigwaaba > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, beyond this " mind slave " ... " I'm sorry " ... > > > > > > > > have you something to tell me about this perception without > > > thinking? > > > > i mean, have you ever experienced something with no thinking > > > process > > > > going on? this i mean for sincerity. > > > > tell me about that, or do you prefer to hide in your cave and > > weep? > > > > > > > > > > > if you would have little awareness.....about what it mean to > > > be " without thinking " ......maybe you would have better > > understanding > > > for the words > > > > > > it seem....and i repeat....that you have nothing but endless > > > thoughts.....appearing....... > > > that you have no experience of real meditation...and " behind > > mind " .... > > > > > > how could i explain....if all the messages i already wrote.... > > > and still write.......have no meaning in your eyes.... > > > > > > i'm not the one who " hide " ...wherever.... > > > > > > but i think that you should seriously start to think about...one > > > day......about the reason of your thoughts coming and > > > going.....without end > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > go back to your cave and meditate! > > you have not answered to the question: have you experienced > something > > with no thinking process going on? > > > > > >there is " no thinking perception " .....thats we talk about > > what in your opinion would be a " no thinking process going on " ....? > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm going to meditate and then i'll be glad to answer. ciao Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > Ramana > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no thought? > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > - no > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling and > > > thoughts? > > > > W: we do not know > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody cares > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to do > with > > > the world? > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this perception > > without thinking. > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes dreams..... > all this things are related to the world perception.... > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > The perfectly quiescent mind..........is like the still wind. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 wrote: > > Are you ready to fork over the hundred thou? I'll tell you what > enlightenment is. But first you have to show me the money. > > " Silver " > AHhhh my friend.....that is the point.. Alas...there is no such thing as 'enlightenment " .....And no one to whom it could apply. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no thought? > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > - no > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling and > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody cares > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to do > > with > > > > the world? > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this perception > > > without thinking. > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes dreams..... > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > The perfectly quiescent mind..........is like the still wind. > > toombaru what about the winds outside...up there.....in heaven? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no > thought? > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling > and > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody > cares > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to > do > > > with > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > perception > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > dreams..... > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > > > > > > The perfectly quiescent mind..........is like the still wind. > > > > toombaru > > > what about the winds outside...up there.....in heaven? > > > There is no such thing as wind. ........at what speed does moving air become 'wind'? Where does the wind reside......when the air stops moving? Where does the fist go when you open your hand? Where does your lap go ,,,,,when you stand up? toombaru? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
