Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 11:35:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:31:56 -0000 > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:57:40 -0000 > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > > > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > > > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a name? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a given. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live in a world of > > named > > > things. > > > > > > ..........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to it....'You' confuse > > > post-its for reality and > > > seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own post-its.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > That I should be buying stock in Post-It?? > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Alas ...........I am weary of the sophomoric humor. > > > > There are several on these lists....that I just don't read or respond to. > > > > They have nothing to offer. > > > > Is it your wish to join them. > > > > (A simple yes or no will do) > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > It makes no difference to me at all if I'm on your no-read list or not. > > Hehe. > > Howsoever, some thoughts do occur in response. When I first joined this foru > > m, your constant negation was experienced as a slight irritation, and I found > > myself wishing for your negation, and you disappeared! When you returned, I > > found that I had dealt with that bit of resistance and even learned to > > appreciate the value of that approach for you. > > > > The other thought that occurs is that I notice, the closer I'm willing to > > approach divinity, the more humor there is. It was actually a bit of a surprise > > that God is a really funny guy, though now it makes perfect sense. Even ego > > can be hilarious in it's antics, although I generally suppress this reaction > > since I have yet to find an ego that shares this perception of themselves. > > There's a fun saying I've always enjoyed, though perhaps not very nondual > > friendly. " Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly " . If the search for > > Truth doesn't bring love, joy and peace, something has gone horribly wrong, > > since they are one and the same. > > > > Phil In the attempt to understand itself, mind combines and recombines mnemonic self- referential thoughts in to new configurations. When It finds the new patterns unfomfortable......it has a tendency to attack what it considers the source of its dis-ease. When that appears to fail....it will either berate the assumed messenger or in a last ditch effort to dissipate the anxiety caused by the confusion........it will resort to humor. What do you suppose Krishnamurti or Nigargadatta would have said to a smart ass in the back row who continually berated them or scoffed at what they had to offer? toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 In a message dated 3/8/2006 8:10:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 03:57:01 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 5:16:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:24:19 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 11:35:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:31:56 -0000 > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:57:40 -0000 > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > > > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > > > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a name? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a given. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live in a world of > > named > > > things. > > > > > > ..........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to it....'You' > confuse > > > post-its for reality and > > > seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own post-its.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > That I should be buying stock in Post-It?? > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Alas ...........I am weary of the sophomoric humor. > > > > There are several on these lists....that I just don't read or respond to. > > > > They have nothing to offer. > > > > Is it your wish to join them. > > > > (A simple yes or no will do) > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > It makes no difference to me at all if I'm on your no-read list or not. > > Hehe. > > Howsoever, some thoughts do occur in response. When I first joined this > foru > > m, your constant negation was experienced as a slight irritation, and I > found > > myself wishing for your negation, and you disappeared! When you > returned, I > > found that I had dealt with that bit of resistance and even learned to > > appreciate the value of that approach for you. > > > > The other thought that occurs is that I notice, the closer I'm willing to > > approach divinity, the more humor there is. It was actually a bit of a > surprise > > that God is a really funny guy, though now it makes perfect sense. Even > ego > > can be hilarious in it's antics, although I generally suppress this > reaction > > since I have yet to find an ego that shares this perception of > themselves. > > There's a fun saying I've always enjoyed, though perhaps not very nondual > > friendly. " Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly " . If the > search for > > Truth doesn't bring love, joy and peace, something has gone horribly > wrong, > > since they are one and the same. > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > In the attempt to understand itself, mind combines and recombines mnemonic > self- > referential thoughts in to new configurations. > > When It finds the new patterns unfomfortable......it has a tendency to > attack what if > considers the source of its dis-ease. > > When that appears to fail....it will either berate the assumed messenger or > in a last ditch > effort to dissipate the anxiety caused by the confusion........it will > resort to humor. > > > What do you suppose Krishnamurti or Nigargadatta would have said to a smart > ass in the > back row who continually berated them or scoffed at what they had to offer? > > > > toombaru > > > P: You are not an enlightened master T: There is no such thing as an " enlightened master " . There is ......it appears an emptiness that speaks....an emptiness that hears........and in that........coming together.............the dream implodes. P: and I am not a heckler in the back of the > room. T: It was a hypothetical...not a personal...speculation. P: Nonsense. It was a simile aimed directly at me and what you deem to be my inappropriate humor. Anyone can see that. Has there been such a disturbance that denial must be resorted to? P: It's interesting that I've never seen you resist ego attacks, and have > even seen humility in response, and yet humor brings about indignance. Perhaps > we've found your Achilles' heel, and more importantly, so have you. > > Phil > > T: One's speculations concerning the reactions of one's self or that of another...although interesting......offer no understanding of the nature of naturalness. P: " The nature of naturalness " ?? I very rarely " speculate " . Phil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 2:25:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:24:44 -0000 > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:45:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:17:11 -0000 > > > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > <bigwaaba@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is > no > > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless > > bubbling > > > and > > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why > > not.....nobody > > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something > > to > > > do > > > > > with > > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > > > perception > > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > > > dreams..... > > > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world > related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the thought > of > > it > > > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you are > so > > > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not for > > > you > > > > not for the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring > > ourselves > > > to a > > > > state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've > > > accomplished something > > > > almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe. Since > this > > > has no > > > > relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics, those > > > dynamics continue > > > > all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend that > this > > > isn't so, we > > > > elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness > and > > > struggle > > > > onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of our > own > > > words so that > > > > nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to really > be > > > able to > > > > challenge us. > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Phil, > > > > > > better go on meditating.....so > > > instead to stay being confused in the imaginations of the > imaginary > > > seperated ones > > > > > > Marc > > > > Marc, are yuo meditating while repeating your " confused in the > > imaginati... " ? > > is it your personal mantra? > > LOL > > no....don't worry..... > it's the " test " for the " confused mind " in here.....if there is still > some potential emotional ego-fight.....waiting deep in the darkness > of the " ego " .....to wake up.....for a greatful fight.... > > good!? > > > > Marc > > Ps: don't worry....everything Is.....fine > > > > > Great! So, are you noticing your ego struggling, or are you just projecting > it onto everybody else as you ride the ego-go-round? > > Phil > I get some great laughs here from time to time! Bill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 5:16:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:24:19 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 11:35:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:31:56 -0000 > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:57:40 -0000 > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > > > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > > > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a name? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a given. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live in a world of > > named > > > things. > > > > > > ..........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to it....'You' > confuse > > > post-its for reality and > > > seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own post-its.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > That I should be buying stock in Post-It?? > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Alas ...........I am weary of the sophomoric humor. > > > > There are several on these lists....that I just don't read or respond to. > > > > They have nothing to offer. > > > > Is it your wish to join them. > > > > (A simple yes or no will do) > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > It makes no difference to me at all if I'm on your no-read list or not. > > Hehe. > > Howsoever, some thoughts do occur in response. When I first joined this > foru > > m, your constant negation was experienced as a slight irritation, and I > found > > myself wishing for your negation, and you disappeared! When you > returned, I > > found that I had dealt with that bit of resistance and even learned to > > appreciate the value of that approach for you. > > > > The other thought that occurs is that I notice, the closer I'm willing to > > approach divinity, the more humor there is. It was actually a bit of a > surprise > > that God is a really funny guy, though now it makes perfect sense. Even > ego > > can be hilarious in it's antics, although I generally suppress this > reaction > > since I have yet to find an ego that shares this perception of > themselves. > > There's a fun saying I've always enjoyed, though perhaps not very nondual > > friendly. " Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly " . If the > search for > > Truth doesn't bring love, joy and peace, something has gone horribly > wrong, > > since they are one and the same. > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > In the attempt to understand itself, mind combines and recombines mnemonic > self- > referential thoughts in to new configurations. > > When It finds the new patterns unfomfortable......it has a tendency to > attack what if > considers the source of its dis-ease. > > When that appears to fail....it will either berate the assumed messenger or > in a last ditch > effort to dissipate the anxiety caused by the confusion........it will > resort to humor. > > > What do you suppose Krishnamurti or Nigargadatta would have said to a smart > ass in the > back row who continually berated them or scoffed at what they had to offer? > > > > toombaru > > > > You are not an enlightened master There is no such thing as an " enlightened master " . There is ......it appears an emptiness that speaks....an emptiness that hears........and in that........coming together.............the dream implodes. and I am not a heckler in the back of the > room. It was a hypothetical...not a personal...speculation. It's interesting that I've never seen you resist ego attacks, and have > even seen humility in response, and yet humor brings about indignance. Perhaps > we've found your Achilles' heel, and more importantly, so have you. > > Phil > > One's speculations concerning the reactions of one's self or that of another...although interesting......offer no understanding of the nature of naturalness. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 In a message dated 3/9/2006 12:58:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 07:50:28 -0000 " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > Great! So, are you noticing your ego struggling, or are you just projecting > it onto everybody else as you ride the ego-go-round? > > Phil > > > >if i were " you " ....i would try to get some clear mind...and view Marc Yes, clarity certainly does seem to be an 'issue' for you. Projections are pretty fun things. Phil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 8:10:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 03:57:01 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 5:16:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:24:19 -0000 > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 11:35:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:31:56 -0000 > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:57:40 -0000 > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > > > > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > > > > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a > name? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live in a world > of > > > named > > > > things. > > > > > > > > ..........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to it....'You' > > confuse > > > > post-its for reality and > > > > seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own post-its.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I should be buying stock in Post-It?? > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alas ...........I am weary of the sophomoric humor. > > > > > > There are several on these lists....that I just don't read or respond > to. > > > > > > They have nothing to offer. > > > > > > Is it your wish to join them. > > > > > > (A simple yes or no will do) > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes no difference to me at all if I'm on your no-read list or not. > > > > Hehe. > > > Howsoever, some thoughts do occur in response. When I first joined this > > > foru > > > m, your constant negation was experienced as a slight irritation, and I > > > found > > > myself wishing for your negation, and you disappeared! When you > > returned, I > > > found that I had dealt with that bit of resistance and even learned to > > > appreciate the value of that approach for you. > > > > > > The other thought that occurs is that I notice, the closer I'm willing > to > > > approach divinity, the more humor there is. It was actually a bit of a > > surprise > > > that God is a really funny guy, though now it makes perfect sense. Even > > ego > > > can be hilarious in it's antics, although I generally suppress this > > reaction > > > since I have yet to find an ego that shares this perception of > > themselves. > > > There's a fun saying I've always enjoyed, though perhaps not very > nondual > > > friendly. " Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly " . If > the > > search for > > > Truth doesn't bring love, joy and peace, something has gone horribly > > wrong, > > > since they are one and the same. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the attempt to understand itself, mind combines and recombines > mnemonic > > self- > > referential thoughts in to new configurations. > > > > When It finds the new patterns unfomfortable......it has a tendency to > > attack what if > > considers the source of its dis-ease. > > > > When that appears to fail....it will either berate the assumed messenger > or > > in a last ditch > > effort to dissipate the anxiety caused by the confusion........it will > > resort to humor. > > > > > > What do you suppose Krishnamurti or Nigargadatta would have said to a > smart > > ass in the > > back row who continually berated them or scoffed at what they had to > offer? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > P: You are not an enlightened master > > > T: There is no such thing as an " enlightened master " . > > There is ......it appears an emptiness that speaks....an emptiness that > hears........and in > that........coming together.............the dream implodes. > > > > P: and I am not a heckler in the back of the > > room. > > > T: It was a hypothetical...not a personal...speculation. > > > > P: Nonsense. It was a simile aimed directly at me and what you deem to be my > inappropriate humor. Anyone can see that. Has there been such a disturbance > that denial must be resorted to? > > As you will. > > > > P: It's interesting that I've never seen you resist ego attacks, and have > > even seen humility in response, and yet humor brings about indignance. > Perhaps > > we've found your Achilles' heel, and more importantly, so have you. > > > > Phil > > > > > > > T: One's speculations concerning the reactions of one's self or that of > another...although > interesting......offer no understanding of the nature of naturalness. > > > > > > P: " The nature of naturalness " ?? > > I very rarely " speculate " . > Phil Everything ever spoken is speculation. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 2:25:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:24:44 -0000 > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:45:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:17:11 -0000 > > > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > <bigwaaba@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is > no > > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless > > bubbling > > > and > > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why > > not.....nobody > > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something > > to > > > do > > > > > with > > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > > > perception > > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > > > dreams..... > > > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world > related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the thought > of > > it > > > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you are > so > > > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not for > > > you > > > > not for the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring > > ourselves > > > to a > > > > state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've > > > accomplished something > > > > almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe. Since > this > > > has no > > > > relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics, those > > > dynamics continue > > > > all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend that > this > > > isn't so, we > > > > elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness > and > > > struggle > > > > onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of our > own > > > words so that > > > > nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to really > be > > > able to > > > > challenge us. > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Phil, > > > > > > better go on meditating.....so > > > instead to stay being confused in the imaginations of the > imaginary > > > seperated ones > > > > > > Marc > > > > Marc, are yuo meditating while repeating your " confused in the > > imaginati... " ? > > is it your personal mantra? > > LOL > > no....don't worry..... > it's the " test " for the " confused mind " in here.....if there is still > some potential emotional ego-fight.....waiting deep in the darkness > of the " ego " .....to wake up.....for a greatful fight.... > > good!? > > > > Marc > > Ps: don't worry....everything Is.....fine > > > > > Great! So, are you noticing your ego struggling, or are you just projecting > it onto everybody else as you ride the ego-go-round? > > Phil > > > >if i were " you " ....i would try to get some clear mind...and view Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 2:25:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:24:44 -0000 > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:45:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:17:11 -0000 > > > > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > > <bigwaaba@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is > > no > > > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless > > > bubbling > > > > and > > > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why > > > not.....nobody > > > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something > > > to > > > > do > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > > > > perception > > > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > > > > dreams..... > > > > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world > > related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the thought > > of > > > it > > > > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you are > > so > > > > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not for > > > > you > > > > > not for the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring > > > ourselves > > > > to a > > > > > state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've > > > > accomplished something > > > > > almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe. Since > > this > > > > has no > > > > > relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics, those > > > > dynamics continue > > > > > all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend that > > this > > > > isn't so, we > > > > > elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness > > and > > > > struggle > > > > > onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of our > > own > > > > words so that > > > > > nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to really > > be > > > > able to > > > > > challenge us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Phil, > > > > > > > > better go on meditating.....so > > > > instead to stay being confused in the imaginations of the > > imaginary > > > > seperated ones > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Marc, are yuo meditating while repeating your " confused in the > > > imaginati... " ? > > > is it your personal mantra? > > > > LOL > > > > no....don't worry..... > > it's the " test " for the " confused mind " in here.....if there is still > > some potential emotional ego-fight.....waiting deep in the darkness > > of the " ego " .....to wake up.....for a greatful fight.... > > > > good!? > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > Ps: don't worry....everything Is.....fine > > > > > > > > > > Great! So, are you noticing your ego struggling, or are you just > projecting > > it onto everybody else as you ride the ego-go-round? > > > > Phil > > > > I get some great laughs here from time to time! > > Bill LOL > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > Werner has no idea what Marc wrote. He's interested in seeing how Marc's and > Toom's egos reacted to being stroked. While I may not agree with his > tactics, at least the focus is closer to the truth. *********** Werner's a sneaky little devil, isn't he. I like him. And I also like his tactics. It's good to have someone around who knows how to push the right buttons. Werner is the smartest guy on this list, in my opinion. Without his input, we might never get to see certain sides of individuals. How's that for stroking someone's ego? Now let's wait for his reaction. I'll bet he has no idea I'm setting him up. Boy, I'm clever! He'll walk right into my little trap and then, WHAMMO! We'll all get to watch him try to squirm his way out of it and possibly make a fool of himself while he's at it. Wonderful entertainment! " Silver " > > > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 7:43:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:49:59 -0000 > " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Werner seems to have had no trouble at all in catching Marc's > drift. Perhaps he would be so kind as to provide us with insight as > to the meaning of Marc's very cryptic message? > > " Silver " > > --- In Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > Is there an English translation of this somewhere? > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:30:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:09:59 -0000 > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > yes Werner......the cosmos risc to become too smal....for > this...with > > intelligence filled up brains.... > > > > lol > > > > Marc > > > > > What a pity that I canot partake in your topic, I never had a > quiet > > > mind - or at least I can't remember it ever was quiet for a > longer > > > period. > > > > > > But I can express my admiration for you Toomb and Marc for your > > deep > > > insight which definitely must have its origin in deep peace and > > > quiescence. > > > > > > Whenever I am visiting this list I am filled with awe of those > many > > > enlightened members crowding it. > > > > > > Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 11:35:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:31:56 -0000 > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:57:40 -0000 > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > > > > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > > > > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a name? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live in a world of > > > named > > > > things. > > > > > > > > ..........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to it....'You' confuse > > > > post-its for reality and > > > > seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own post-its.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I should be buying stock in Post-It?? > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alas ...........I am weary of the sophomoric humor. > > > > > > There are several on these lists....that I just don't read or respond to. > > > > > > They have nothing to offer. > > > > > > Is it your wish to join them. > > > > > > (A simple yes or no will do) > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes no difference to me at all if I'm on your no-read list or not. > > > Hehe. > > > Howsoever, some thoughts do occur in response. When I first joined this foru > > > m, your constant negation was experienced as a slight irritation, and I found > > > myself wishing for your negation, and you disappeared! When you returned, I > > > found that I had dealt with that bit of resistance and even learned to > > > appreciate the value of that approach for you. > > > > > > The other thought that occurs is that I notice, the closer I'm willing to > > > approach divinity, the more humor there is. It was actually a bit of a surprise > > > that God is a really funny guy, though now it makes perfect sense. Even ego > > > can be hilarious in it's antics, although I generally suppress this reaction > > > since I have yet to find an ego that shares this perception of themselves. > > > There's a fun saying I've always enjoyed, though perhaps not very nondual > > > friendly. " Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly " . If the search for > > > Truth doesn't bring love, joy and peace, something has gone horribly wrong, > > > since they are one and the same. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > In the attempt to understand itself, mind combines and recombines mnemonic self- > referential thoughts in to new configurations. > > When It finds the new patterns unfomfortable......it has a tendency to attack what it > considers the source of its dis-ease. > > When that appears to fail....it will either berate the assumed messenger or in a last ditch > effort to dissipate the anxiety caused by the confusion........it will resort to humor. > > > What do you suppose Krishnamurti or Nigargadatta would have said to a smart ass in the > back row who continually berated them or scoffed at what they had to offer? > > > > toombaru *************** I don't think any of us would have behaved like smart asses in their presence because what they had to offer was very profound and merited our complete attention and respect. Huge difference between them and you, Toomb. I think you think way too highly of your little comments. You're not that profound that you should be treated with reverential respect as if you were someone like Nisargadatta. You really don't have that much to offer. Thus, it's very easy to scoff at yur remarks. Take it like a man, buddy. Same goes for all the stuffed shirts in here. Loosen up a bit, people. Nothing wrong with humour. It's the best medicine, remember? Some of you think you're gonna' say something so profound and utterly wise that you'll create a following for yourself or something. ROFLMAO at you!!!!!! " Silver " " Silver " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/9/2006 12:58:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 07:50:28 -0000 > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > Great! So, are you noticing your ego struggling, or are you just > projecting > > it onto everybody else as you ride the ego-go-round? > > > > Phil > > > > The 'ego' is the struggling. There is no 'It' to see itself. toombaru > > > >if i were " you " ....i would try to get some clear mind...and view > > Marc > > > Yes, clarity certainly does seem to be an 'issue' for you. > Projections are pretty fun things. > > Phil > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 11:35:38 PM Pacific Standard > Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:31:56 -0000 > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard > Time, > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:57:40 -0000 > > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific Standard > Time, > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > > > > > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > > > > > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t > have a name? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live in > a world of > > > > named > > > > > things. > > > > > > > > > > ..........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to > it....'You' confuse > > > > > post-its for reality and > > > > > seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own > post-its.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I should be buying stock in Post-It?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alas ...........I am weary of the sophomoric humor. > > > > > > > > There are several on these lists....that I just don't read or > respond to. > > > > > > > > They have nothing to offer. > > > > > > > > Is it your wish to join them. > > > > > > > > (A simple yes or no will do) > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes no difference to me at all if I'm on your no-read > list or not. > > > > Hehe. > > > > Howsoever, some thoughts do occur in response. When I first > joined this foru > > > > m, your constant negation was experienced as a slight > irritation, and I found > > > > myself wishing for your negation, and you disappeared! When > you returned, I > > > > found that I had dealt with that bit of resistance and even > learned to > > > > appreciate the value of that approach for you. > > > > > > > > The other thought that occurs is that I notice, the closer I'm > willing to > > > > approach divinity, the more humor there is. It was actually a > bit of a surprise > > > > that God is a really funny guy, though now it makes perfect > sense. Even ego > > > > can be hilarious in it's antics, although I generally > suppress this reaction > > > > since I have yet to find an ego that shares this perception > of themselves. > > > > There's a fun saying I've always enjoyed, though perhaps not > very nondual > > > > friendly. " Angels can fly because they take themselves > lightly " . If the search for > > > > Truth doesn't bring love, joy and peace, something has gone > horribly wrong, > > > > since they are one and the same. > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > In the attempt to understand itself, mind combines and recombines > mnemonic self- > > referential thoughts in to new configurations. > > > > When It finds the new patterns unfomfortable......it has a > tendency to attack what it > > considers the source of its dis-ease. > > > > When that appears to fail....it will either berate the assumed > messenger or in a last ditch > > effort to dissipate the anxiety caused by the confusion........it > will resort to humor. > > > > > > What do you suppose Krishnamurti or Nigargadatta would have said > to a smart ass in the > > back row who continually berated them or scoffed at what they had > to offer? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > *************** > > I don't think any of us would have behaved like smart asses in their > presence because what they had to offer was very profound and > merited our complete attention and respect. > > Huge difference between them and you, Toomb. I think you think way > too highly of your little comments. You're not that profound that > you should be treated with reverential respect as if you were > someone like Nisargadatta. You really don't have that much to > offer. Thus, it's very easy to scoff at yur remarks. Take it like > a man, buddy. Same goes for all the stuffed shirts in here. Loosen > up a bit, people. Nothing wrong with humour. It's the best > medicine, remember? Some of you think you're gonna' say something > so profound and utterly wise that you'll create a following for > yourself or something. ROFLMAO at you!!!!!! > > " Silver " > > " Silver " > Oh........you still believe that those little brown men were the source of all that wisdom. ........That they were somehow special.....more elevated then the rest of us little meat monkeys. As long as you believe that...........you are lost. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/8/2006 2:25:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:24:44 -0000 > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:45:22 AM Pacific Standard > Time, > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:17:11 -0000 > > > > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > > <bigwaaba@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is > understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there > is > > no > > > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless > > > bubbling > > > > and > > > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why > > > not.....nobody > > > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has > something > > > to > > > > do > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > > > > perception > > > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > > > > dreams..... > > > > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world > > related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the > thought > > of > > > it > > > > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you > are > > so > > > > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not > for > > > > you > > > > > not for the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring > > > ourselves > > > > to a > > > > > state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've > > > > accomplished something > > > > > almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe. Since > > this > > > > has no > > > > > relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics, > those > > > > dynamics continue > > > > > all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend that > > this > > > > isn't so, we > > > > > elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness > > and > > > > struggle > > > > > onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of our > > own > > > > words so that > > > > > nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to > really > > be > > > > able to > > > > > challenge us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Phil, > > > > > > > > better go on meditating.....so > > > > instead to stay being confused in the imaginations of the > > imaginary > > > > seperated ones > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > Marc, are yuo meditating while repeating your " confused in the > > > imaginati... " ? > > > is it your personal mantra? > > > > LOL > > > > no....don't worry..... > > it's the " test " for the " confused mind " in here.....if there is > still > > some potential emotional ego-fight.....waiting deep in the > darkness > > of the " ego " .....to wake up.....for a greatful fight.... > > > > good!? > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > Ps: don't worry....everything Is.....fine > > > > > > > > > > Great! So, are you noticing your ego struggling, or are you just > projecting > > it onto everybody else as you ride the ego-go-round? > > > > Phil > > > > > > > >if i were " you " ....i would try to get some clear mind...and view > > Marc > A clear mind is like the still wind. Neither exist. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 > > > Great! So, are you noticing your ego struggling, or are you just > > projecting > > > it onto everybody else as you ride the ego-go-round? > > > > > > Phil > > If there were such a thing as an ego...it could not see itself. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 11:35:38 PM Pacific Standard > > Time, > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:31:56 -0000 > > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard > > Time, > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:57:40 -0000 > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific Standard > > Time, > > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > > > > > > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > > > > > > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t > > have a name? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live in > > a world of > > > > > named > > > > > > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to > > it....'You' confuse > > > > > > post-its for reality and > > > > > > seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own > > post-its.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I should be buying stock in Post-It?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alas ...........I am weary of the sophomoric humor. > > > > > > > > > > There are several on these lists....that I just don't read or > > respond to. > > > > > > > > > > They have nothing to offer. > > > > > > > > > > Is it your wish to join them. > > > > > > > > > > (A simple yes or no will do) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes no difference to me at all if I'm on your no-read > > list or not. > > > > > Hehe. > > > > > Howsoever, some thoughts do occur in response. When I first > > joined this foru > > > > > m, your constant negation was experienced as a slight > > irritation, and I found > > > > > myself wishing for your negation, and you disappeared! When > > you returned, I > > > > > found that I had dealt with that bit of resistance and even > > learned to > > > > > appreciate the value of that approach for you. > > > > > > > > > > The other thought that occurs is that I notice, the closer I'm > > willing to > > > > > approach divinity, the more humor there is. It was actually a > > bit of a surprise > > > > > that God is a really funny guy, though now it makes perfect > > sense. Even ego > > > > > can be hilarious in it's antics, although I generally > > suppress this reaction > > > > > since I have yet to find an ego that shares this perception > > of themselves. > > > > > There's a fun saying I've always enjoyed, though perhaps not > > very nondual > > > > > friendly. " Angels can fly because they take themselves > > lightly " . If the search for > > > > > Truth doesn't bring love, joy and peace, something has gone > > horribly wrong, > > > > > since they are one and the same. > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the attempt to understand itself, mind combines and recombines > > mnemonic self- > > > referential thoughts in to new configurations. > > > > > > When It finds the new patterns unfomfortable......it has a > > tendency to attack what it > > > considers the source of its dis-ease. > > > > > > When that appears to fail....it will either berate the assumed > > messenger or in a last ditch > > > effort to dissipate the anxiety caused by the confusion........it > > will resort to humor. > > > > > > > > > What do you suppose Krishnamurti or Nigargadatta would have said > > to a smart ass in the > > > back row who continually berated them or scoffed at what they had > > to offer? > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > *************** > > > > I don't think any of us would have behaved like smart asses in their > > presence because what they had to offer was very profound and > > merited our complete attention and respect. > > > > Huge difference between them and you, Toomb. I think you think way > > too highly of your little comments. You're not that profound that > > you should be treated with reverential respect as if you were > > someone like Nisargadatta. You really don't have that much to > > offer. Thus, it's very easy to scoff at yur remarks. Take it like > > a man, buddy. Same goes for all the stuffed shirts in here. Loosen > > up a bit, people. Nothing wrong with humour. It's the best > > medicine, remember? Some of you think you're gonna' say something > > so profound and utterly wise that you'll create a following for > > yourself or something. ROFLMAO at you!!!!!! > > > > " Silver " > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > Oh........you still believe that those little brown men were the source of all that wisdom. > > .......That they were somehow special.....more elevated then the rest of us little meat > monkeys. > > > As long as you believe that...........you are lost. > > > > > toombaru ************** Lol. I appreciate your sense of humour. " Meat monkeys. " Hehe. I don't believe " those little brown men " [LOL] were sources of wisdom. Listen. You know what I like to do sometimes? I like to drive out to a completely unfamiliar city and deliberately try to get myself lost. It's a blast. Try it sometime. " Silver " > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 In a message dated 3/9/2006 6:00:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 09:10:11 -0000 " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > Werner has no idea what Marc wrote. He's interested in seeing how Marc's and > Toom's egos reacted to being stroked. While I may not agree with his > tactics, at least the focus is closer to the truth. *********** Werner's a sneaky little devil, isn't he. I like him. And I also like his tactics. It's good to have someone around who knows how to push the right buttons. Werner is the smartest guy on this list, in my opinion. Without his input, we might never get to see certain sides of individuals. How's that for stroking someone's ego? Now let's wait for his reaction. I'll bet he has no idea I'm setting him up. Boy, I'm clever! He'll walk right into my little trap and then, WHAMMO! We'll all get to watch him try to squirm his way out of it and possibly make a fool of himself while he's at it. Wonderful entertainment! " Silver " Hehe. Yes, let's hide and watch. If he only knew! ::::: Rubbing hands together devilishly ::::: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 In a message dated 3/9/2006 7:26:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:00:26 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/9/2006 12:58:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 07:50:28 -0000 > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > Great! So, are you noticing your ego struggling, or are you just > projecting > > it onto everybody else as you ride the ego-go-round? > > > > Phil > > > > The 'ego' is the struggling. There is no 'It' to see itself. toombaru And yet it can be seen, which apparently makes the concept faulty. The reason this is so is, that which is seeing seems to be other than that which is seen. That the seer and the seen are the same does not prevent seeing from occurring. This is a marvelous event called experience. Mind can use it's wonderful abilities to deny it's own creations, but the value of such denial in the search for Truth is questionable and debatable by that same mind. Can you see where this is going? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > 1069@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 11:35:38 PM Pacific Standard > > > Time, > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:31:56 -0000 > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard > > > Time, > > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:57:40 -0000 > > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific > Standard > > > Time, > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > > > > > > > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > > > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > > > > > > > > how can anybody tell you something which > doesn´t > > > have a name? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live > in > > > a world of > > > > > > named > > > > > > > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to > > > it....'You' confuse > > > > > > > post-its for reality and > > > > > > > seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own > > > post-its.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I should be buying stock in Post-It?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alas ...........I am weary of the sophomoric humor. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several on these lists....that I just don't > read or > > > respond to. > > > > > > > > > > > > They have nothing to offer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it your wish to join them. > > > > > > > > > > > > (A simple yes or no will do) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes no difference to me at all if I'm on your no-read > > > list or not. > > > > > > Hehe. > > > > > > Howsoever, some thoughts do occur in response. When I > first > > > joined this foru > > > > > > m, your constant negation was experienced as a slight > > > irritation, and I found > > > > > > myself wishing for your negation, and you disappeared! > When > > > you returned, I > > > > > > found that I had dealt with that bit of resistance and > even > > > learned to > > > > > > appreciate the value of that approach for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thought that occurs is that I notice, the closer > I'm > > > willing to > > > > > > approach divinity, the more humor there is. It was > actually a > > > bit of a surprise > > > > > > that God is a really funny guy, though now it makes > perfect > > > sense. Even ego > > > > > > can be hilarious in it's antics, although I generally > > > suppress this reaction > > > > > > since I have yet to find an ego that shares this > perception > > > of themselves. > > > > > > There's a fun saying I've always enjoyed, though perhaps > not > > > very nondual > > > > > > friendly. " Angels can fly because they take themselves > > > lightly " . If the search for > > > > > > Truth doesn't bring love, joy and peace, something has > gone > > > horribly wrong, > > > > > > since they are one and the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the attempt to understand itself, mind combines and > recombines > > > mnemonic self- > > > > referential thoughts in to new configurations. > > > > > > > > When It finds the new patterns unfomfortable......it has a > > > tendency to attack what it > > > > considers the source of its dis-ease. > > > > > > > > When that appears to fail....it will either berate the > assumed > > > messenger or in a last ditch > > > > effort to dissipate the anxiety caused by the > confusion........it > > > will resort to humor. > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you suppose Krishnamurti or Nigargadatta would have > said > > > to a smart ass in the > > > > back row who continually berated them or scoffed at what they > had > > > to offer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > *************** > > > > > > I don't think any of us would have behaved like smart asses in > their > > > presence because what they had to offer was very profound and > > > merited our complete attention and respect. > > > > > > Huge difference between them and you, Toomb. I think you think > way > > > too highly of your little comments. You're not that profound > that > > > you should be treated with reverential respect as if you were > > > someone like Nisargadatta. You really don't have that much to > > > offer. Thus, it's very easy to scoff at yur remarks. Take it > like > > > a man, buddy. Same goes for all the stuffed shirts in here. > Loosen > > > up a bit, people. Nothing wrong with humour. It's the best > > > medicine, remember? Some of you think you're gonna' say > something > > > so profound and utterly wise that you'll create a following for > > > yourself or something. ROFLMAO at you!!!!!! > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > > Oh........you still believe that those little brown men were the > source of all that wisdom. > > > > .......That they were somehow special.....more elevated then the > rest of us little meat > > monkeys. > > > > > > As long as you believe that...........you are lost. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > ************** > > Lol. I appreciate your sense of humour. " Meat monkeys. " Hehe. I > don't believe " those little brown men " [LOL] were sources of > wisdom. > > Listen. You know what I like to do sometimes? I like to drive out > to a completely unfamiliar city and deliberately try to get myself > lost. It's a blast. Try it sometime. > > " Silver " > > > Even if that were an option for this sense of 'me'....It would not fit into my programed definition of 'fun'. :-) toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 .....and this begs the question, what would fit your programmed sense of fun (besides not being here)? - toombaru2006 Nisargadatta Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:55 PM Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > 1069@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 11:35:38 PM Pacific Standard > > > Time, > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:31:56 -0000 > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard > > > Time, > > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:57:40 -0000 > > > > > > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific > Standard > > > Time, > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > > > > > > > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > > > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > > <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > > > > > > > > how can anybody tell you something which > doesn´t > > > have a name? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a given. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live > in > > > a world of > > > > > > named > > > > > > > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ..........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to > > > it....'You' confuse > > > > > > > post-its for reality and > > > > > > > seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own > > > post-its.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That I should be buying stock in Post-It?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alas ...........I am weary of the sophomoric humor. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are several on these lists....that I just don't > read or > > > respond to. > > > > > > > > > > > > They have nothing to offer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is it your wish to join them. > > > > > > > > > > > > (A simple yes or no will do) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It makes no difference to me at all if I'm on your no-read > > > list or not. > > > > > > Hehe. > > > > > > Howsoever, some thoughts do occur in response. When I > first > > > joined this foru > > > > > > m, your constant negation was experienced as a slight > > > irritation, and I found > > > > > > myself wishing for your negation, and you disappeared! > When > > > you returned, I > > > > > > found that I had dealt with that bit of resistance and > even > > > learned to > > > > > > appreciate the value of that approach for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thought that occurs is that I notice, the closer > I'm > > > willing to > > > > > > approach divinity, the more humor there is. It was > actually a > > > bit of a surprise > > > > > > that God is a really funny guy, though now it makes > perfect > > > sense. Even ego > > > > > > can be hilarious in it's antics, although I generally > > > suppress this reaction > > > > > > since I have yet to find an ego that shares this > perception > > > of themselves. > > > > > > There's a fun saying I've always enjoyed, though perhaps > not > > > very nondual > > > > > > friendly. " Angels can fly because they take themselves > > > lightly " . If the search for > > > > > > Truth doesn't bring love, joy and peace, something has > gone > > > horribly wrong, > > > > > > since they are one and the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the attempt to understand itself, mind combines and > recombines > > > mnemonic self- > > > > referential thoughts in to new configurations. > > > > > > > > When It finds the new patterns unfomfortable......it has a > > > tendency to attack what it > > > > considers the source of its dis-ease. > > > > > > > > When that appears to fail....it will either berate the > assumed > > > messenger or in a last ditch > > > > effort to dissipate the anxiety caused by the > confusion........it > > > will resort to humor. > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you suppose Krishnamurti or Nigargadatta would have > said > > > to a smart ass in the > > > > back row who continually berated them or scoffed at what they > had > > > to offer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > *************** > > > > > > I don't think any of us would have behaved like smart asses in > their > > > presence because what they had to offer was very profound and > > > merited our complete attention and respect. > > > > > > Huge difference between them and you, Toomb. I think you think > way > > > too highly of your little comments. You're not that profound > that > > > you should be treated with reverential respect as if you were > > > someone like Nisargadatta. You really don't have that much to > > > offer. Thus, it's very easy to scoff at yur remarks. Take it > like > > > a man, buddy. Same goes for all the stuffed shirts in here. > Loosen > > > up a bit, people. Nothing wrong with humour. It's the best > > > medicine, remember? Some of you think you're gonna' say > something > > > so profound and utterly wise that you'll create a following for > > > yourself or something. ROFLMAO at you!!!!!! > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > > Oh........you still believe that those little brown men were the > source of all that wisdom. > > > > .......That they were somehow special.....more elevated then the > rest of us little meat > > monkeys. > > > > > > As long as you believe that...........you are lost. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > ************** > > Lol. I appreciate your sense of humour. " Meat monkeys. " Hehe. I > don't believe " those little brown men " [LOL] were sources of > wisdom. > > Listen. You know what I like to do sometimes? I like to drive out > to a completely unfamiliar city and deliberately try to get myself > lost. It's a blast. Try it sometime. > > " Silver " > > > Even if that were an option for this sense of 'me'....It would not fit into my programed definition of 'fun'. :-) toombaru ** If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1 Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2006 Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: > > ....and this begs the question, what would fit your programmed sense of fun (besides not being here)? I like sugar.........and cake..........and scones.........and coffee........my grandbabies...........blue sky and clouds.....baby quail..........I like to laugh.....and I like to hug......I like kisses...a lot......I like it when my wife holds me close on rainy nights.......I like the way women smile and turn their head like this......I like the smell of shampoo in the air.........I like rice crispies mixed with marshmellows and cut into little squares.............I like that empty feeling when someone smiles at me just so......... ......I like you..........and I like............. just about anything I can think of.......... toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/9/2006 7:26:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:00:26 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/9/2006 12:58:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Thu, 09 Mar 2006 07:50:28 -0000 > > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > > Great! So, are you noticing your ego struggling, or are you just > > projecting > > > it onto everybody else as you ride the ego-go-round? > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > The 'ego' is the struggling. > There is no 'It' to see itself. > > > toombaru > > > > And yet it can be seen, which apparently makes the concept faulty. No concept can be seen. The > reason this is so is, that which is seeing seems to be other than that which is > seen. This is the 'split mind' out of which the dream emerges. That the seer and the seen are the same does not prevent seeing from > occurring. There is no seer. There is no seen. There is seeing. This is a marvelous event called experience. Mind can use it's > wonderful abilities to deny it's own creations, but the value of such denial in the > search for Truth is questionable and debatable by that same mind. 'Mind' is merely another post-it......It is a flowingness that can see every thing....but itself. > > Can you see where this is going? > > Honestly.......I cannot....:-) toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2006 In a message dated 3/10/2006 12:44:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 08:08:47 -0000 " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Listen. You know what I like to do sometimes? I like to drive out > > to a completely unfamiliar city and deliberately try to get myself > > lost. It's a blast. Try it sometime. > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > Even if that were an option for this sense of 'me'....It would not fit into my programed > definition of 'fun'. > > > :-) > toombaru *********** Admittedly, getting lost on purpose doesn't appeal to everyone. Some people prefer to stay on familiar ground all the time. Others have no choice but to stay put due to physical limitations and challenges. No prob. " Silver " " Silver " And some of us believe purposely getting lost is akin to jumping out of a perfectly good airplane........And loquacious on top of it all! Hehe. Phil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2006 > > Listen. You know what I like to do sometimes? I like to drive out > > to a completely unfamiliar city and deliberately try to get myself > > lost. It's a blast. Try it sometime. > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > Even if that were an option for this sense of 'me'....It would not fit into my programed > definition of 'fun'. > > > :-) > toombaru *********** Admittedly, getting lost on purpose doesn't appeal to everyone. Some people prefer to stay on familiar ground all the time. Others have no choice but to stay put due to physical limitations and challenges. No prob. " Silver " " Silver " > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2006 Yes, Silver, It's a good thing to experiment with trying to get lost in a completely unfamiliar city. It shows that you love living. An addon: Next time you do it, before you start concentrate on a question you want to have answered and which is of importance for you and then start walking. It doesn't matter if you forget the question after a while. Werner Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069 wrote: > > > > Listen. You know what I like to do sometimes? I like to drive > out > > > to a completely unfamiliar city and deliberately try to get > myself > > > lost. It's a blast. Try it sometime. > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even if that were an option for this sense of 'me'....It would not > fit into my programed > > definition of 'fun'. > > > > > > :-) > > > toombaru > > *********** > > Admittedly, getting lost on purpose doesn't appeal to everyone. > Some people prefer to stay on familiar ground all the time. Others > have no choice but to stay put due to physical limitations and > challenges. No prob. > > " Silver " > > " Silver " > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2006 Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 wrote: > > > > Listen. You know what I like to do sometimes? I like to drive > out > > > to a completely unfamiliar city and deliberately try to get > myself > > > lost. It's a blast. Try it sometime. > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > My son went to Europe after college. He was traveling with a young woman that he had met at a youth hostel. Late one evening after several misguided attempts to return to their hotel.......My son sat down on the curb.....put his head in his hands and said in desperation: " We are lost! " The young lady sat down next to him.......put her hand in his.......and whispered: " No we're not lost.......we are in Copenhagen " . toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
