Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > to be in front of infinite numbers of doors..... > but having the key of all.... > lost somewhere....in the middle of the dream... > > let's see how the dream will end... > > Marc > > It always ends in the same place. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 it can only end without ending and that would be perfectly - dennis_travis33 Nisargadatta Tuesday, March 07, 2006 2:38 PM Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman wrote: to be in front of infinite numbers of doors..... but having the key of all.... lost somewhere....in the middle of the dream... let's see how the dream will end... Marc > your holiness, can you tell us why you have the actual body of christ hidden in the basement of the vatican? > - > dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, March 07, 2006 11:59 AM > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > (of course, one could say " why does it need to be understood " > but > > > then that would start the > > > > whole illusionary ego-go-round discussion again) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is the door Home. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > ...and when there is nobody " who " could understand..... > > > > > > the door remain open > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > I am the door. > > > > > > toombaru > > > and i'm the pope > > Marc > > > > > > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 2:36:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 04:58:20 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > Buddhism & Hinduism: A blessed state > > in which the ___individual___ > > transcends desire and suffering > > and attains Nirvana. > > > > > > > There in no individual! > > > toombaru > > > > Agreed. That's possibly the worst definition of enlightenment I've heard. No > individual ever became enlightened. > > There is no worst definition of 'enlightenment'. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:32:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:05:17 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:30:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:26:47 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no thought? > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > - no > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling and > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody cares > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to do > > with > > > > the world? > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this perception > > > without thinking. > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes dreams..... > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > The perfectly quiescent mind..........is like the still wind. > > toombaru > > > > There is no still wind. Hehe. > Indeed.....They both are nothing other then their movement. They are not nouns............but only and always verbs. toombaru There is no movement. ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:30:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:26:47 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no thought? > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > - no > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling and > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody cares > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to do > > with > > > > the world? > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this perception > > > without thinking. > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes dreams..... > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > The perfectly quiescent mind..........is like the still wind. > > toombaru > > > > There is no still wind. Hehe. > Indeed.....They both are nothing other then their movement. They are not nouns............but only and always verbs. toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:57:40 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a name? > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > toombaru > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > Len > > That is a given. But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live in a world of named things. ...........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to it....'You' confuse post-its for reality and seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own post-its.... Can you see where this is going? That I should be buying stock in Post-It?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a name? > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > toombaru > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > Len > > That is a given. But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live in a world of named things. ...........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to it....'You' confuse post-its for reality and seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own post-its.... Can you see where this is going? Try to refrain from the ad hominem attacks.....(there is no man here). toombaru Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Phil: Is there an English translation of this somewhere? !!!!!!!!!! ) such fun! > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:30:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:09:59 -0000 > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > yes Werner......the cosmos risc to become too smal....for this...with > intelligence filled up brains.... > > lol > > Marc > > > What a pity that I canot partake in your topic, I never had a quiet > > mind - or at least I can't remember it ever was quiet for a longer > > period. > > > > But I can express my admiration for you Toomb and Marc for your > deep > > insight which definitely must have its origin in deep peace and > > quiescence. > > > > Whenever I am visiting this list I am filled with awe of those many > > enlightened members crowding it. > > > > Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Try to refrain from the ad hominem attacks.....(there is no man here). >>>> Good advice! Some folks, though, will persist in wanting to paint an all to obvious picture of themselves. Bill Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a name? > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > > > Len > > > > > > > > That is a given. > > > > But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live in a world of named things. > > ..........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. > > > > > Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to it....'You' confuse post-its for reality and > seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own post-its.... > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > Try to refrain from the ad hominem attacks.....(there is no man here). > > > toombaru > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:57:40 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a name? > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > > > Len > > > > > > > > That is a given. > > > > But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live in a world of named > things. > > ..........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. > > > > > Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to it....'You' confuse > post-its for reality and > seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own post-its.... > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > That I should be buying stock in Post-It?? > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Fred " <thejman@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (of course, one could say " why does it need to be > > > > understood " > > > > > but > > > > > > > then that would start the > > > > > > > > whole illusionary ego-go-round discussion again) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Understanding is the door Home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and when there is nobody " who " could understand..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the door remain open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am the door. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and i'm the pope > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: i mean...the one " who " don't know that there are infinite > > numbers > > > > of doors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what you mean. > > > > > > Could you please elaborate? > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > there are as many 'doors' as there are people > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > There are no people. > > > toombaru yes...there are people appearing...... but in the mind only...... (don't tell to Arvind) Marc > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:45:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:17:11 -0000 > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no > thought? > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > - no > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling and > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody > cares > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to do > > with > > > > the world? > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this perception > > > without thinking. > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes dreams..... > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the thought of it > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you are so > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not for you > not for the world. > > > > Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring ourselves to a > state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've accomplished something > almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe. Since this has no > relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics, those dynamics continue > all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend that this isn't so, we > elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness and struggle > onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of our own words so that > nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to really be able to > challenge us. > > >Hi Phil, better go on meditating.....so instead to stay being confused in the imaginations of the imaginary seperated ones Marc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- 1069@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver- > > 1069@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Are you ready to fork over the hundred thou? I'll tell you what > > > > enlightenment is. But first you have to show me the money. > > > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > > > > > > > AHhhh my friend.....that is the point.. > > > > > > Alas...there is no such thing as 'enlightenment " .....And no one > > to whom it could apply. > > ********** > > Hehe. You're pretty smart. You caught on. Just as you cannot show > > me the money, I cannot show you what enlightenment is. Cool! > > > > > > > > " Silver " > > > > > > > Do you still believe................. that there is a 'we'? > > > > toombaru *********** Huh? What's that got to do with anything? Sheesh. " Silver " Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:45:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:17:11 -0000 > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no > > thought? > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > - no > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless bubbling > and > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why not.....nobody > > cares > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something to > do > > > with > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > perception > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > dreams..... > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the thought of it > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you are so > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not for > you > > not for the world. > > > > > > > > Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring ourselves > to a > > state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've > accomplished something > > almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe. Since this > has no > > relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics, those > dynamics continue > > all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend that this > isn't so, we > > elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness and > struggle > > onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of our own > words so that > > nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to really be > able to > > challenge us. > > > > > >Hi Phil, > > better go on meditating.....so > instead to stay being confused in the imaginations of the imaginary > seperated ones > > Marc Marc, are yuo meditating while repeating your " confused in the imaginati... " ? is it your personal mantra? > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:45:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:17:11 -0000 > > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless > bubbling > > and > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why > not.....nobody > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something > to > > do > > > > with > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > > perception > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > > dreams..... > > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the thought of > it > > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you are so > > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not for > > you > > > not for the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring > ourselves > > to a > > > state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've > > accomplished something > > > almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe. Since this > > has no > > > relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics, those > > dynamics continue > > > all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend that this > > isn't so, we > > > elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness and > > struggle > > > onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of our own > > words so that > > > nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to really be > > able to > > > challenge us. > > > > > > > > >Hi Phil, > > > > better go on meditating.....so > > instead to stay being confused in the imaginations of the imaginary > > seperated ones > > > > Marc > > Marc, are yuo meditating while repeating your " confused in the > imaginati... " ? > is it your personal mantra? LOL no....don't worry..... it's the " test " for the " confused mind " in here.....if there is still some potential emotional ego-fight.....waiting deep in the darkness of the " ego " .....to wake up.....for a greatful fight.... good!? Marc Ps: don't worry....everything Is.....fine Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:45:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:17:11 -0000 > > > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > > <bigwaaba@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is > no > > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless > > bubbling > > > and > > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why > > not.....nobody > > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something > > to > > > do > > > > > with > > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > > > perception > > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > > > dreams..... > > > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world > related > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the thought > of > > it > > > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you are > so > > > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not for > > > you > > > > not for the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring > > ourselves > > > to a > > > > state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've > > > accomplished something > > > > almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe. Since > this > > > has no > > > > relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics, those > > > dynamics continue > > > > all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend that > this > > > isn't so, we > > > > elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness > and > > > struggle > > > > onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of our > own > > > words so that > > > > nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to really > be > > > able to > > > > challenge us. > > > > > > > > > > > >Hi Phil, > > > > > > better go on meditating.....so > > > instead to stay being confused in the imaginations of the > imaginary > > > seperated ones > > > > > > Marc > > > > Marc, are yuo meditating while repeating your " confused in the > > imaginati... " ? > > is it your personal mantra? > > LOL > > no....don't worry..... > it's the " test " for the " confused mind " in here.....if there is still > some potential emotional ego-fight.....waiting deep in the darkness > of the " ego " .....to wake up.....for a greatful fight.... > > good!? > > > > Marc > > Ps: don't worry....everything Is.....fine > no need to test it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Werner seems to have had no trouble at all in catching Marc's drift. Perhaps he would be so kind as to provide us with insight as to the meaning of Marc's very cryptic message? " Silver " Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > Is there an English translation of this somewhere? > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:30:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:09:59 -0000 > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > yes Werner......the cosmos risc to become too smal....for this...with > intelligence filled up brains.... > > lol > > Marc > > > What a pity that I canot partake in your topic, I never had a quiet > > mind - or at least I can't remember it ever was quiet for a longer > > period. > > > > But I can express my admiration for you Toomb and Marc for your > deep > > insight which definitely must have its origin in deep peace and > > quiescence. > > > > Whenever I am visiting this list I am filled with awe of those many > > enlightened members crowding it. > > > > Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Alas ...........I am weary of the sophomoric humor. ~~~~~~~ Boy, do I hear that! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002 > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a name? > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > toombaru > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > Len > > > > Okay, maybe it wasn't kindness I noticed. Hehe. > Honesty is true kindness :-) Len Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a name? > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > > > Len > > > > > > > > That is a given. > > > > But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live in a world of named things. > > ..........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. > > > > > Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to it....'You' confuse post-its for reality and > seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own post-its.... > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > Try to refrain from the ad hominem attacks.....(there is no man here). > > > toombaru I just cannot respond in a meaningful way to this nonsense. Len Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 In a message dated 3/7/2006 11:35:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:31:56 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:57:40 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a name? > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > > > Len > > > > > > > > That is a given. > > > > But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live in a world of named > things. > > ..........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. > > > > > Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to it....'You' confuse > post-its for reality and > seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own post-its.... > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > That I should be buying stock in Post-It?? > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > Alas ...........I am weary of the sophomoric humor. There are several on these lists....that I just don't read or respond to. They have nothing to offer. Is it your wish to join them. (A simple yes or no will do) toombaru It makes no difference to me at all if I'm on your no-read list or not. Hehe. Howsoever, some thoughts do occur in response. When I first joined this foru m, your constant negation was experienced as a slight irritation, and I found myself wishing for your negation, and you disappeared! When you returned, I found that I had dealt with that bit of resistance and even learned to appreciate the value of that approach for you. The other thought that occurs is that I notice, the closer I'm willing to approach divinity, the more humor there is. It was actually a bit of a surprise that God is a really funny guy, though now it makes perfect sense. Even ego can be hilarious in it's antics, although I generally suppress this reaction since I have yet to find an ego that shares this perception of themselves. There's a fun saying I've always enjoyed, though perhaps not very nondual friendly. " Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly " . If the search for Truth doesn't bring love, joy and peace, something has gone horribly wrong, since they are one and the same. Phil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 In a message dated 3/8/2006 2:25:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:24:44 -0000 " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 5:45:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 11:17:11 -0000 > > > " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " <bigwaaba@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " bigwaaba " > <bigwaaba@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No thing exists without its corresponding thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If that is understood.....everything is understood. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > good! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " what is called the world, is nothing but a thought " > > > > > > Ramana > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: what is happening with the " world " ...when there is no > > > thought? > > > > > > > > > > W: there is always a thought! > > > > > > > > - no > > > > > > W: LOL!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or....do we need to " safe " the world....by endless > bubbling > > and > > > > > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > W: we do not know > > > > > > > > - a fiction can continue to be a fiction.....why > not.....nobody > > > cares > > > > > > > > > > > > or....does the perception Without Thinking has something > to > > do > > > > with > > > > > > the world? > > > > > > > > > > W: i do not know what they are referring to with this > > perception > > > > > without thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > - the perception without thinking happen when the mind is > > > > quite....means, not busy with desires, emotions, wishes > > dreams..... > > > > all this things are related to the world perception.... > > > > therfore, the perception without thinking is not world related > > > > > > > > > > > W: that is bullshit! when mind is quiet there is the thought of > it > > > thinking is there for sure, you do not see it because you are so > > > attached to your damned peace that has no value at all, not for > > you > > > not for the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > Silly ego game #3 is where we learn to consistently bring > ourselves > > to a > > > state of peace in meditation, and then believe that we've > > accomplished something > > > almost no human has ever been able to do before. Hehe. Since this > > has no > > > relationship to noticing the truth of our ego dynamics, those > > dynamics continue > > > all during our non-meditating time. In order to pretend that this > > isn't so, we > > > elevate ourselves above others and project our thinkingness and > > struggle > > > onto them, all the while hiding behind the obscurity of our own > > words so that > > > nobody can be clear enough about what we're saying to really be > > able to > > > challenge us. > > > > > > > > >Hi Phil, > > > > better go on meditating.....so > > instead to stay being confused in the imaginations of the imaginary > > seperated ones > > > > Marc > > Marc, are yuo meditating while repeating your " confused in the > imaginati... " ? > is it your personal mantra? LOL no....don't worry..... it's the " test " for the " confused mind " in here.....if there is still some potential emotional ego-fight.....waiting deep in the darkness of the " ego " .....to wake up.....for a greatful fight.... good!? Marc Ps: don't worry....everything Is.....fine Great! So, are you noticing your ego struggling, or are you just projecting it onto everybody else as you ride the ego-go-round? Phil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 Werner has no idea what Marc wrote. He's interested in seeing how Marc's and Toom's egos reacted to being stroked. While I may not agree with his tactics, at least the focus is closer to the truth. In a message dated 3/8/2006 7:43:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 10:49:59 -0000 " s_i_l_v_e_r1069 " <silver-1069 Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Werner seems to have had no trouble at all in catching Marc's drift. Perhaps he would be so kind as to provide us with insight as to the meaning of Marc's very cryptic message? " Silver " --- In Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > Is there an English translation of this somewhere? > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:30:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:09:59 -0000 > " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > yes Werner......the cosmos risc to become too smal....for this...with > intelligence filled up brains.... > > lol > > Marc > > > What a pity that I canot partake in your topic, I never had a quiet > > mind - or at least I can't remember it ever was quiet for a longer > > period. > > > > But I can express my admiration for you Toomb and Marc for your > deep > > insight which definitely must have its origin in deep peace and > > quiescence. > > > > Whenever I am visiting this list I am filled with awe of those many > > enlightened members crowding it. > > > > Werner Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 In a message dated 3/8/2006 7:43:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 13:49:07 -0000 " billrishel " <illusyn Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Alas ...........I am weary of the sophomoric humor. ~~~~~~~ Boy, do I hear that! Good, you've both elevated yourselves above non-enlightened humor. That must mean you're deadly serious about seeing the Truth. I'll keep that in mind. In case I happen to catch a glimpse of it, I'll be sure to point it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2006 In a message dated 3/8/2006 5:16:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, Nisargadatta writes: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 00:24:19 -0000 " toombaru2006 " <lastrain Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking Nisargadatta , ADHHUB wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 11:35:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, > Nisargadatta writes: > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 06:31:56 -0000 > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 7:17:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:57:40 -0000 > > " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > Nisargadatta , ADHHUB@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/7/2006 8:50:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > > Nisargadatta writes: > > > > > > Tue, 07 Mar 2006 15:44:40 -0000 > > > " lissbon2002 " <lissbon2002@> > > > Re: IPercpetion Without Thinking > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think for a moment, toombaru: > > > > > how can anybody tell you something which doesn´t have a name? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does that tell you anything? > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > That you´re not very intelligent, maybe? > > > > > > Len > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a given. > > > > > > > > But I was referring to the realization that 'you' live in a world of > named > > things. > > > > ..........in which 'you' are merely one of the named. > > > > > > > > > > Every-thing in 'your' world has a post-it glued to it....'You' confuse > > post-its for reality and > > seek 'reality' ( just another post-it) among your own post-its.... > > > > > > > > Can you see where this is going? > > > > > > > > That I should be buying stock in Post-It?? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > Alas ...........I am weary of the sophomoric humor. > > There are several on these lists....that I just don't read or respond to. > > They have nothing to offer. > > Is it your wish to join them. > > (A simple yes or no will do) > > > toombaru > > > > > It makes no difference to me at all if I'm on your no-read list or not. > Hehe. > Howsoever, some thoughts do occur in response. When I first joined this foru > m, your constant negation was experienced as a slight irritation, and I found > myself wishing for your negation, and you disappeared! When you returned, I > found that I had dealt with that bit of resistance and even learned to > appreciate the value of that approach for you. > > The other thought that occurs is that I notice, the closer I'm willing to > approach divinity, the more humor there is. It was actually a bit of a surprise > that God is a really funny guy, though now it makes perfect sense. Even ego > can be hilarious in it's antics, although I generally suppress this reaction > since I have yet to find an ego that shares this perception of themselves. > There's a fun saying I've always enjoyed, though perhaps not very nondual > friendly. " Angels can fly because they take themselves lightly " . If the search for > Truth doesn't bring love, joy and peace, something has gone horribly wrong, > since they are one and the same. > > Phil > > In the attempt to understand itself, mind combines and recombines mnemonic self- referential thoughts in to new configurations. When It finds the new patterns unfomfortable......it has a tendency to attack what if considers the source of its dis-ease. When that appears to fail....it will either berate the assumed messenger or in a last ditch effort to dissipate the anxiety caused by the confusion........it will resort to humor. What do you suppose Krishnamurti or Nigargadatta would have said to a smart ass in the back row who continually berated them or scoffed at what they had to offer? toombaru You are not an enlightened master and I am not a heckler in the back of the room. It's interesting that I've never seen you resist ego attacks, and have even seen humility in response, and yet humor brings about indignance. Perhaps we've found your Achilles' heel, and more importantly, so have you. Phil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
