Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2008 Pancha Samskaram. Dear Sevarthis. Sub: Pancha Samskaram.. It is clear that Panchsamskaram is not an essential prerequisite for Prapatti though it is required to qualify the individual to do austere actions of Tharpanams, Aradhanam etc. It is also stated that for Kanya Stree that Prapatti can be done first and at any time before or after marriage but PS can be done only after marriage. In this context, two clarifications will greatly help. If a Kanya Stree in her teens happens by chance or fate to be the only lady in a household where Achara works are done, can she then go ahead to get PS done so that she gets qualified for supporting works like cooking, cleaning etc for the Aradhanams and other religious rituals? Otherwise the household will be forced to go in for outside help only, or it has to give up these meritorious acts which step is not correct. The next point is that there is an understanding that PS is an act which catalyzes the person physically, mentally and spiritually as a true Vaishnava. If that be so then the Beings other than human do not need PS. The Prapatti done with or without the consent of the Being will release the soul from bondage and submit to the feet of the Divine Couple. With all humility and Respects. Adeiyan KRK --- On Tue, 12/8/08, RR <shrirr wrote: RR <shrirrRe: (unknown)andavan Date: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 10:02 AM Dear Sevarthis,A friend called up to say that points 1 & 3 of adiyen's posting are confusing & contradictory. Adiyen will clarify as follows: Prapatthi is usually done by HH in the Asramam {and by Acharyas' of other Mutts also} after He performs Pancha Samskaram for the Sevarthis praying for the same, In other words, HH performs the Pancha Samskaram first for a group of Sevarthis, After this is completed, HH takes up Saranagathi, That is the sequence of events in the Asramam {and other Mutts}, Many Sevarthis wanting to perform Saranagathi have to wait, This is what adiyen meant in point 1 of the mail. As far as the individual Sevarthi is concerned, there is no rule that she or he must perform Pancha Samskaram first & then she or he can perform Saranagathi, In fact, for a Kanya Stree, the reverse sequence is the rule, Either due to her parents' request or on her own initiative, Prapatthi is performed first and then Pancha Samskaram later on only after her marriage, For the menfolk, they are free to perform Prapatthi first and then Pancha Samskaram, Generally Pancha Samskaram {PS} is done first but that is NOT the rule, There is a logic here - PS is the essential pre requisite for performing Perumal Aradhanams, Tharpanams, Shraardhams & a host of religious Karmas, Reasonably religious families bring their sons for PS immediately after performing Brahmopadesam, Others get this done after the boy gets married! Better late than never!! One subject has always intrigued adiyen during his 40 years of blissful & heavenly experience in the Asramam at the lotus feet of three great Acharyas; That is the reluctance of many Sevarthis to perform Prapatthi. They are ready for Pancha Samskaram {Samasrayanam} but hesitate, hum, hah etc., when the subject of Prapatthi is raised!! When asked why they hesitate to perform Prapatthi now, they reply 'not now', 'later on Sir, I am not orthodox enough', 'I cannot conform as I am a Professional' , 'I travel too much due to my profession', 'So I eat out in hotels' or simply 'no, Swamin' etc., That is why adiyen planned - with the Niyamanam & Blessings of HH Srimad Andavan - to write in detail about Prapatthi. Sevarthis may kindly wait for further postings in this regard.Warmest regards & Ananthakoti Pranams.Daasan RR____________ _________ _________ __ On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:46 AM, RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Sevarthis,This is very interesting - more such queries mean that the interest of Sevarthis about Prapatthi is increasing. Adiyen has one caveat here, Prapatthi is usually done after Pancha Samskaram, So, a Sevarthi requesting HH to perform Prapatthi waits till the Pancha Samskaram is completed by HH for all the Sevarthis that day, There is no convention that Prapatthi can be or has to be done only after Pancha Samskaram, Also, Prapatthi is the Act of Saranagathi of the soul, We pray to Sriman Narayana to grant us a place at His Lotus Feet in Moksha Samrajya, With His utmost Kaarunyam, He does that by liberating our souls from the never ending cycle of births & deaths, OR we request Him to take the soul - that was HIS property to start with - back. There is no protocol for the husband's soul to be liberated first & then the wife's soul should follow, Adiyen knows of Prapatthi performed for many wives, Their husband/s are not yet interested or initiated or informed enough even to think of Pancha Samskaram or Prapatthi, HH has performed Prapatthi for new born babies {girl children} - {one baby had her Prapatthi performed within a week after her arrival but her grand father passed away at the age of 78 without offering Prapatthi!} Though they will NOT perform Pancha Samskaram for a Kanya Stree,Adiyen is Blessed by HH to put down some "Random Thoughts" in our Asramam Journal Sri Ranganatha Paduka. Prapatthi will appear in November issue as we are still complete Marriages & Tharpanams in September & October issues.However, some brief points on Prapatthi will be submitted to the Sevarthis in this site separately.Ananthakoti PranamsDaasan RR.____________ ___ On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Shri Ranganathan Iyengar, Bharanyasam (otherwise known as ' Prapatti' also) is the formal and conscious acceptance by the individual of the already existing fact that Jeevatma is the property of the Almighty and requesting the Almighty to continue to protect the same. The Acharya endows the Prapatti with the quality of 'non-fail'. Since Prapatti is advised by our Acharyas to be done as soon as possible preceded by Panchasamskaram, it is proved that age does not matter. Any day from the birth is suitable. Further as an earlier Acharya of ours, His Holiness Thenparai Andavan, has advised that as the ritual is confined to the Jeevatma, the Prapatti by a wife independent of the husband is very valid. The above go to show that Prapatti can be done by unmarried females also at any age and also before marriage. It is good to bear in mind that Prapatti is applicable for all souls in addition to that of humans, viz animals, birds, insects and the others. The above is my humble understanding. I am praying most humbly to our present Most Revered Andavan that this has his approval. Adiyen Krishnaswami K.R.--- On Sun, 10/8/08, ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > wrote: ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > (unknown)andavan@ .comSunday, 10 August, 2008, 12:26 PM Respected Elders, I think, Bharanyasam can be got done even before anybody's marriage and for samasaranam- yes, particularly for the ladies, this can happen only after the girl's marriage. Pls. correct me if I am wrong. 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Guest guest Report post Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Sevarthis, Sriman KRK has raised valid points. Point No. 1 needs to be referred to great Scholars & authorities on Dharma Saastras like our Srikaryam - Veda Baashyam Sri Veeravillli Srinivasa Desikachariar Swami. Adiyen will come back on that after consulting that great man. Sri KRK has answered his point no. 2 himself!! Consent is not possible in respect of other Jeeva Rasis. Our Acharyas, with their divine wisdom, will do the needful. HH Srimad Thirukkudanthai Andavan did perform Saranagathi for a Bairavar in 1975 on His way from the then Bombay to New Delhi - it is a big story that will unfold when adiyen deals with this subject in greater detail. Warmest Regards. Daasan RR. ________________________ On 8/12/08, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200 wrote: Pancha Samskaram. Dear Sevarthis. Sub: Pancha Samskaram.. It is clear that Panchsamskaram is not an essential prerequisite for Prapatti though it is required to qualify the individual to do austere actions of Tharpanams, Aradhanam etc. It is also stated that for Kanya Stree that Prapatti can be done first and at any time before or after marriage but PS can be done only after marriage. In this context, two clarifications will greatly help. If a Kanya Stree in her teens happens by chance or fate to be the only lady in a household where Achara works are done, can she then go ahead to get PS done so that she gets qualified for supporting works like cooking, cleaning etc for the Aradhanams and other religious rituals? Otherwise the household will be forced to go in for outside help only, or it has to give up these meritorious acts which step is not correct. The next point is that there is an understanding that PS is an act which catalyzes the person physically, mentally and spiritually as a true Vaishnava. If that be so then the Beings other than human do not need PS. The Prapatti done with or without the consent of the Being will release the soul from bondage and submit to the feet of the Divine Couple. With all humility and Respects. Adeiyan KRK --- On Tue, 12/8/08, RR <shrirr wrote: RR <shrirr Re: (unknown)andavan Date: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 10:02 AM Dear Sevarthis,A friend called up to say that points 1 & 3 of adiyen's posting are confusing & contradictory. Adiyen will clarify as follows: Prapatthi is usually done by HH in the Asramam {and by Acharyas' of other Mutts also} after He performs Pancha Samskaram for the Sevarthis praying for the same, In other words, HH performs the Pancha Samskaram first for a group of Sevarthis, After this is completed, HH takes up Saranagathi, That is the sequence of events in the Asramam {and other Mutts}, Many Sevarthis wanting to perform Saranagathi have to wait, This is what adiyen meant in point 1 of the mail. As far as the individual Sevarthi is concerned, there is no rule that she or he must perform Pancha Samskaram first & then she or he can perform Saranagathi, In fact, for a Kanya Stree, the reverse sequence is the rule, Either due to her parents' request or on her own initiative, Prapatthi is performed first and then Pancha Samskaram later on only after her marriage, For the menfolk, they are free to perform Prapatthi first and then Pancha Samskaram, Generally Pancha Samskaram {PS} is done first but that is NOT the rule, There is a logic here - PS is the essential pre requisite for performing Perumal Aradhanams, Tharpanams, Shraardhams & a host of religious Karmas, Reasonably religious families bring their sons for PS immediately after performing Brahmopadesam, Others get this done after the boy gets married! Better late than never!! One subject has always intrigued adiyen during his 40 years of blissful & heavenly experience in the Asramam at the lotus feet of three great Acharyas; That is the reluctance of many Sevarthis to perform Prapatthi. They are ready for Pancha Samskaram {Samasrayanam} but hesitate, hum, hah etc., when the subject of Prapatthi is raised!! When asked why they hesitate to perform Prapatthi now, they reply 'not now', 'later on Sir, I am not orthodox enough', 'I cannot conform as I am a Professional' , 'I travel too much due to my profession', 'So I eat out in hotels' or simply 'no, Swamin' etc., That is why adiyen planned - with the Niyamanam & Blessings of HH Srimad Andavan - to write in detail about Prapatthi. Sevarthis may kindly wait for further postings in this regard.Warmest regards & Ananthakoti Pranams. Daasan RR____________ _________ _________ __ On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:46 AM, RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Sevarthis,This is very interesting - more such queries mean that the interest of Sevarthis about Prapatthi is increasing. Adiyen has one caveat here, Prapatthi is usually done after Pancha Samskaram, So, a Sevarthi requesting HH to perform Prapatthi waits till the Pancha Samskaram is completed by HH for all the Sevarthis that day, There is no convention that Prapatthi can be or has to be done only after Pancha Samskaram, Also, Prapatthi is the Act of Saranagathi of the soul, We pray to Sriman Narayana to grant us a place at His Lotus Feet in Moksha Samrajya, With His utmost Kaarunyam, He does that by liberating our souls from the never ending cycle of births & deaths, OR we request Him to take the soul - that was HIS property to start with - back. There is no protocol for the husband's soul to be liberated first & then the wife's soul should follow, Adiyen knows of Prapatthi performed for many wives, Their husband/s are not yet interested or initiated or informed enough even to think of Pancha Samskaram or Prapatthi, HH has performed Prapatthi for new born babies {girl children} - {one baby had her Prapatthi performed within a week after her arrival but her grand father passed away at the age of 78 without offering Prapatthi!} Though they will NOT perform Pancha Samskaram for a Kanya Stree,Adiyen is Blessed by HH to put down some " Random Thoughts " in our Asramam Journal Sri Ranganatha Paduka. Prapatthi will appear in November issue as we are still complete Marriages & Tharpanams in September & October issues. However, some brief points on Prapatthi will be submitted to the Sevarthis in this site separately.Ananthakoti PranamsDaasan RR.____________ ___ On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Shri Ranganathan Iyengar, Bharanyasam (otherwise known as ' Prapatti' also) is the formal and conscious acceptance by the individual of the already existing fact that Jeevatma is the property of the Almighty and requesting the Almighty to continue to protect the same. The Acharya endows the Prapatti with the quality of 'non-fail'. Since Prapatti is advised by our Acharyas to be done as soon as possible preceded by Panchasamskaram, it is proved that age does not matter. Any day from the birth is suitable. Further as an earlier Acharya of ours, His Holiness Thenparai Andavan, has advised that as the ritual is confined to the Jeevatma, the Prapatti by a wife independent of the husband is very valid. The above go to show that Prapatti can be done by unmarried females also at any age and also before marriage. It is good to bear in mind that Prapatti is applicable for all souls in addition to that of humans, viz animals, birds, insects and the others. The above is my humble understanding. I am praying most humbly to our present Most Revered Andavan that this has his approval. Adiyen Krishnaswami K.R. --- On Sun, 10/8/08, ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > wrote: ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > (unknown)andavan@ .comSunday, 10 August, 2008, 12:26 PM Respected Elders, I think, Bharanyasam can be got done even before anybody's marriage and for samasaranam- yes, particularly for the ladies, this can happen only after the girl's marriage. Pls. correct me if I am wrong. Adiyen, Tenpirai A.Ranganathan +91-9840688833 Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Sevarthis and specially Sri RR, My grateful thanks for elucidation. I am pretty sure that there will be no ambiguity after the expert consultations..In case of any options, our Acharya's opinion which has to be accepted and cannot be contradicted by even the Divine Couple, can guide. us With all humility and Respects,. Adiyen KRK. --- On Tue, 12/8/08, RR <shrirr wrote: RR <shrirrRe: (unknown)andavan Date: Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 7:22 PM Dear Sevarthis, Sriman KRK has raised valid points. Point No. 1 needs to be referred to great Scholars & authorities on Dharma Saastras like our Srikaryam - Veda Baashyam Sri Veeravillli Srinivasa Desikachariar Swami. Adiyen will come back on that after consulting that great man. Sri KRK has answered his point no. 2 himself!! Consent is not possible in respect of other Jeeva Rasis. Our Acharyas, with their divine wisdom, will do the needful. HH Srimad Thirukkudanthai Andavan did perform Saranagathi for a Bairavar in 1975 on His way from the then Bombay to New Delhi - it is a big story that will unfold when adiyen deals with this subject in greater detail. Warmest Regards. Daasan RR. ____________ _________ ___ On 8/12/08, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200@ .co. in> wrote: Pancha Samskaram. Dear Sevarthis. Sub: Pancha Samskaram.. It is clear that Panchsamskaram is not an essential prerequisite for Prapatti though it is required to qualify the individual to do austere actions of Tharpanams, Aradhanam etc. It is also stated that for Kanya Stree that Prapatti can be done first and at any time before or after marriage but PS can be done only after marriage. In this context, two clarifications will greatly help. If a Kanya Stree in her teens happens by chance or fate to be the only lady in a household where Achara works are done, can she then go ahead to get PS done so that she gets qualified for supporting works like cooking, cleaning etc for the Aradhanams and other religious rituals? Otherwise the household will be forced to go in for outside help only, or it has to give up these meritorious acts which step is not correct. The next point is that there is an understanding that PS is an act which catalyzes the person physically, mentally and spiritually as a true Vaishnava. If that be so then the Beings other than human do not need PS. The Prapatti done with or without the consent of the Being will release the soul from bondage and submit to the feet of the Divine Couple. With all humility and Respects. Adeiyan KRK --- On Tue, 12/8/08, RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: (unknown)andavan@ .comTuesday, 12 August, 2008, 10:02 AM Dear Sevarthis,A friend called up to say that points 1 & 3 of adiyen's posting are confusing & contradictory. Adiyen will clarify as follows: Prapatthi is usually done by HH in the Asramam {and by Acharyas' of other Mutts also} after He performs Pancha Samskaram for the Sevarthis praying for the same, In other words, HH performs the Pancha Samskaram first for a group of Sevarthis, After this is completed, HH takes up Saranagathi, That is the sequence of events in the Asramam {and other Mutts}, Many Sevarthis wanting to perform Saranagathi have to wait, This is what adiyen meant in point 1 of the mail. As far as the individual Sevarthi is concerned, there is no rule that she or he must perform Pancha Samskaram first & then she or he can perform Saranagathi, In fact, for a Kanya Stree, the reverse sequence is the rule, Either due to her parents' request or on her own initiative, Prapatthi is performed first and then Pancha Samskaram later on only after her marriage, For the menfolk, they are free to perform Prapatthi first and then Pancha Samskaram, Generally Pancha Samskaram {PS} is done first but that is NOT the rule, There is a logic here - PS is the essential pre requisite for performing Perumal Aradhanams, Tharpanams, Shraardhams & a host of religious Karmas, Reasonably religious families bring their sons for PS immediately after performing Brahmopadesam, Others get this done after the boy gets married! Better late than never!! One subject has always intrigued adiyen during his 40 years of blissful & heavenly experience in the Asramam at the lotus feet of three great Acharyas; That is the reluctance of many Sevarthis to perform Prapatthi. They are ready for Pancha Samskaram {Samasrayanam} but hesitate, hum, hah etc., when the subject of Prapatthi is raised!! When asked why they hesitate to perform Prapatthi now, they reply 'not now', 'later on Sir, I am not orthodox enough', 'I cannot conform as I am a Professional' , 'I travel too much due to my profession', 'So I eat out in hotels' or simply 'no, Swamin' etc., That is why adiyen planned - with the Niyamanam & Blessings of HH Srimad Andavan - to write in detail about Prapatthi. Sevarthis may kindly wait for further postings in this regard.Warmest regards & Ananthakoti Pranams.Daasan RR____________ _________ _________ __ On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:46 AM, RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Sevarthis,This is very interesting - more such queries mean that the interest of Sevarthis about Prapatthi is increasing. Adiyen has one caveat here, Prapatthi is usually done after Pancha Samskaram, So, a Sevarthi requesting HH to perform Prapatthi waits till the Pancha Samskaram is completed by HH for all the Sevarthis that day, There is no convention that Prapatthi can be or has to be done only after Pancha Samskaram, Also, Prapatthi is the Act of Saranagathi of the soul, We pray to Sriman Narayana to grant us a place at His Lotus Feet in Moksha Samrajya, With His utmost Kaarunyam, He does that by liberating our souls from the never ending cycle of births & deaths, OR we request Him to take the soul - that was HIS property to start with - back. There is no protocol for the husband's soul to be liberated first & then the wife's soul should follow, Adiyen knows of Prapatthi performed for many wives, Their husband/s are not yet interested or initiated or informed enough even to think of Pancha Samskaram or Prapatthi, HH has performed Prapatthi for new born babies {girl children} - {one baby had her Prapatthi performed within a week after her arrival but her grand father passed away at the age of 78 without offering Prapatthi!} Though they will NOT perform Pancha Samskaram for a Kanya Stree,Adiyen is Blessed by HH to put down some "Random Thoughts" in our Asramam Journal Sri Ranganatha Paduka. Prapatthi will appear in November issue as we are still complete Marriages & Tharpanams in September & October issues.However, some brief points on Prapatthi will be submitted to the Sevarthis in this site separately.Ananthakoti PranamsDaasan RR.____________ ___ On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Shri Ranganathan Iyengar, Bharanyasam (otherwise known as ' Prapatti' also) is the formal and conscious acceptance by the individual of the already existing fact that Jeevatma is the property of the Almighty and requesting the Almighty to continue to protect the same. The Acharya endows the Prapatti with the quality of 'non-fail'. Since Prapatti is advised by our Acharyas to be done as soon as possible preceded by Panchasamskaram, it is proved that age does not matter. Any day from the birth is suitable. Further as an earlier Acharya of ours, His Holiness Thenparai Andavan, has advised that as the ritual is confined to the Jeevatma, the Prapatti by a wife independent of the husband is very valid. The above go to show that Prapatti can be done by unmarried females also at any age and also before marriage. It is good to bear in mind that Prapatti is applicable for all souls in addition to that of humans, viz animals, birds, insects and the others. The above is my humble understanding. I am praying most humbly to our present Most Revered Andavan that this has his approval. Adiyen Krishnaswami K.R. --- On Sun, 10/8/08, ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > wrote: ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > (unknown)andavan@ .comSunday, 10 August, 2008, 12:26 PM Respected Elders, I think, Bharanyasam can be got done even before anybody's marriage and for samasaranam- yes, particularly for the ladies, this can happen only after the girl's marriage. Pls. correct me if I am wrong. Adiyen, Tenpirai A.Ranganathan +91-9840688833 Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. -- Heartfelt thanks & Warmest RegardsRR____________ _________ ______R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ____________ _________ ______Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex. com -- Heartfelt thanks & Warmest RegardsRR____________ _________ ______R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ____________ _________ ______Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex. com Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Sevarthis, The Srikaryam Swami could not be reached as he is busy in his daily Aradhanams. But adiyen contacted his Prathama Sishya and Salakshana Ganapati Vaduvur Govindachariar Swami {Director of our Srimath Andavan Veda Patasala at Vaduvur} and would convey his advice: There is strictly no bar as per Saastras in a Kanya Stree getting Pancha Samskaram done by her Acharya,Then she becomes a full fledged Sishyai of that Acharya, recites the Guru Parampara Thanians of that Acharya Vargam and carries out the household duties in relation to various Karmas & Samskarams,The problem is a practical one - if she gets married to a boy of say another Sampradayam {an Andavan Asramam Sishyai getting married to a boy of Sri Parakala Mutt or Sri Ahobila Mutt Paramapara or vice versa},The boy and/or his family may say OK, you have already performed PS, you continue to do all household activities and continue to recite your Acharya's Thanians, we have no issue with that,That is a very happy confluence of events - BUT - this may NOT happen in most cases - in fact it will NOT happen in most cases!! Unfortunately, this is a male dominated world {sorry, this is controversial - maybe it is justified in this instance - maybe it is not - it is the male who gets to do - if at all - all religious karmas in the house!},If the husband insists as he will in most cases, she will have to perform PS again - There will be more complexity - we have come across very very rare cases of double PS! This gets even more tricky, because she will have to recite the Thanians of her new Acharya Vargam & She must continue to recite the Thanians of her original Acharya Vargam as well - that can never be ignored all her life - More complications if the boy's family is very " broad minded " and insists that she must recite their Thanians of their Acharya Vargam only - if she is forced, it will be a terrible Apachaaram allround!!Saastras or any SriVaishnavaite Grantham do not prohibit a Kanya Stree from performing PS but these are the complications for which a practical solution is yet to be found. As & when adiyen contacts the Srikaryam Swami for his views, further posting will result!!Vachika Doshaha Kshandavya: Warmest Regards.Daasan RR. _ On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200 wrote: Dear Sevarthis and specially Sri RR, My grateful thanks for elucidation. I am pretty sure that there will be no ambiguity after the expert consultations..In case of any options, our Acharya's opinion which has to be accepted and cannot be contradicted by even the Divine Couple, can guide. us With all humility and Respects,. Adiyen KRK. --- On Tue, 12/8/08, RR <shrirr wrote: RR <shrirrRe: (unknown)andavan Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 7:22 PM Dear Sevarthis, Sriman KRK has raised valid points. Point No. 1 needs to be referred to great Scholars & authorities on Dharma Saastras like our Srikaryam - Veda Baashyam Sri Veeravillli Srinivasa Desikachariar Swami. Adiyen will come back on that after consulting that great man. Sri KRK has answered his point no. 2 himself!! Consent is not possible in respect of other Jeeva Rasis. Our Acharyas, with their divine wisdom, will do the needful. HH Srimad Thirukkudanthai Andavan did perform Saranagathi for a Bairavar in 1975 on His way from the then Bombay to New Delhi - it is a big story that will unfold when adiyen deals with this subject in greater detail. Warmest Regards. Daasan RR. ____________ _________ ___ On 8/12/08, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200@ .co. in> wrote: Pancha Samskaram. Dear Sevarthis. Sub: Pancha Samskaram.. It is clear that Panchsamskaram is not an essential prerequisite for Prapatti though it is required to qualify the individual to do austere actions of Tharpanams, Aradhanam etc. It is also stated that for Kanya Stree that Prapatti can be done first and at any time before or after marriage but PS can be done only after marriage. In this context, two clarifications will greatly help. If a Kanya Stree in her teens happens by chance or fate to be the only lady in a household where Achara works are done, can she then go ahead to get PS done so that she gets qualified for supporting works like cooking, cleaning etc for the Aradhanams and other religious rituals? Otherwise the household will be forced to go in for outside help only, or it has to give up these meritorious acts which step is not correct. The next point is that there is an understanding that PS is an act which catalyzes the person physically, mentally and spiritually as a true Vaishnava. If that be so then the Beings other than human do not need PS. The Prapatti done with or without the consent of the Being will release the soul from bondage and submit to the feet of the Divine Couple. With all humility and Respects. Adeiyan KRK --- On Tue, 12/8/08, RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: (unknown)andavan@ .com Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 10:02 AM Dear Sevarthis,A friend called up to say that points 1 & 3 of adiyen's posting are confusing & contradictory. Adiyen will clarify as follows: Prapatthi is usually done by HH in the Asramam {and by Acharyas' of other Mutts also} after He performs Pancha Samskaram for the Sevarthis praying for the same, In other words, HH performs the Pancha Samskaram first for a group of Sevarthis, After this is completed, HH takes up Saranagathi, That is the sequence of events in the Asramam {and other Mutts}, Many Sevarthis wanting to perform Saranagathi have to wait, This is what adiyen meant in point 1 of the mail. As far as the individual Sevarthi is concerned, there is no rule that she or he must perform Pancha Samskaram first & then she or he can perform Saranagathi, In fact, for a Kanya Stree, the reverse sequence is the rule, Either due to her parents' request or on her own initiative, Prapatthi is performed first and then Pancha Samskaram later on only after her marriage, For the menfolk, they are free to perform Prapatthi first and then Pancha Samskaram, Generally Pancha Samskaram {PS} is done first but that is NOT the rule, There is a logic here - PS is the essential pre requisite for performing Perumal Aradhanams, Tharpanams, Shraardhams & a host of religious Karmas, Reasonably religious families bring their sons for PS immediately after performing Brahmopadesam, Others get this done after the boy gets married! Better late than never!! One subject has always intrigued adiyen during his 40 years of blissful & heavenly experience in the Asramam at the lotus feet of three great Acharyas; That is the reluctance of many Sevarthis to perform Prapatthi. They are ready for Pancha Samskaram {Samasrayanam} but hesitate, hum, hah etc., when the subject of Prapatthi is raised!! When asked why they hesitate to perform Prapatthi now, they reply 'not now', 'later on Sir, I am not orthodox enough', 'I cannot conform as I am a Professional' , 'I travel too much due to my profession', 'So I eat out in hotels' or simply 'no, Swamin' etc., That is why adiyen planned - with the Niyamanam & Blessings of HH Srimad Andavan - to write in detail about Prapatthi. Sevarthis may kindly wait for further postings in this regard.Warmest regards & Ananthakoti Pranams. Daasan RR____________ _________ _________ __ On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:46 AM, RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Sevarthis,This is very interesting - more such queries mean that the interest of Sevarthis about Prapatthi is increasing. Adiyen has one caveat here, Prapatthi is usually done after Pancha Samskaram, So, a Sevarthi requesting HH to perform Prapatthi waits till the Pancha Samskaram is completed by HH for all the Sevarthis that day, There is no convention that Prapatthi can be or has to be done only after Pancha Samskaram, Also, Prapatthi is the Act of Saranagathi of the soul, We pray to Sriman Narayana to grant us a place at His Lotus Feet in Moksha Samrajya, With His utmost Kaarunyam, He does that by liberating our souls from the never ending cycle of births & deaths, OR we request Him to take the soul - that was HIS property to start with - back. There is no protocol for the husband's soul to be liberated first & then the wife's soul should follow, Adiyen knows of Prapatthi performed for many wives, Their husband/s are not yet interested or initiated or informed enough even to think of Pancha Samskaram or Prapatthi, HH has performed Prapatthi for new born babies {girl children} - {one baby had her Prapatthi performed within a week after her arrival but her grand father passed away at the age of 78 without offering Prapatthi!} Though they will NOT perform Pancha Samskaram for a Kanya Stree,Adiyen is Blessed by HH to put down some " Random Thoughts " in our Asramam Journal Sri Ranganatha Paduka. Prapatthi will appear in November issue as we are still complete Marriages & Tharpanams in September & October issues. However, some brief points on Prapatthi will be submitted to the Sevarthis in this site separately.Ananthakoti PranamsDaasan RR.____________ ___ On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Shri Ranganathan Iyengar, Bharanyasam (otherwise known as ' Prapatti' also) is the formal and conscious acceptance by the individual of the already existing fact that Jeevatma is the property of the Almighty and requesting the Almighty to continue to protect the same. The Acharya endows the Prapatti with the quality of 'non-fail'. Since Prapatti is advised by our Acharyas to be done as soon as possible preceded by Panchasamskaram, it is proved that age does not matter. Any day from the birth is suitable. Further as an earlier Acharya of ours, His Holiness Thenparai Andavan, has advised that as the ritual is confined to the Jeevatma, the Prapatti by a wife independent of the husband is very valid. The above go to show that Prapatti can be done by unmarried females also at any age and also before marriage. It is good to bear in mind that Prapatti is applicable for all souls in addition to that of humans, viz animals, birds, insects and the others. The above is my humble understanding. I am praying most humbly to our present Most Revered Andavan that this has his approval. Adiyen Krishnaswami K.R. --- On Sun, 10/8/08, ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > wrote: ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > (unknown) andavan@ .comSunday, 10 August, 2008, 12:26 PM Respected Elders, I think, Bharanyasam can be got done even before anybody's marriage and for samasaranam- yes, particularly for the ladies, this can happen only after the girl's marriage. Pls. correct me if I am wrong. Adiyen, Tenpirai A.Ranganathan +91-9840688833 Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Report post Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Sevarthis,Sub: Prapatthi 'Prapatthi' has been quite often portrayed as an act requiring stiff qualifications or orthodoxy out of reach for many. Our Acharyas have benevolently performed Prapatthi for one & all {ezhai ethalan ennamal etc.,}. Many self appointed custodians of SriVaishnavism have created a virtual scare – over the past few decades – that drives away more & more Sevarthis from this single most important act of any SriVaishnavaite {or any Jeevaraasi for that matter}. Later on in this article, we will see that the best qualification for Prapatthi is that you don't have or need any qualification at all {kai mudhal onrum illa adiyen}! The renaissance of interest amongst the generationext requires that we project Prapatthi in an appropriate manner to clear their doubts thereof and motivate them to perform Prapatthi. SRIMAD ANDAVAN THE 'AVARICIOUS ACHARYA' HH Srimad Srimushnam Andavan's Sapthathi Souvenir carried a brilliant article on HH titled "The Avaricious Acharya" by Sadagopan Iyengar Swami of Coimbatore. The Swamin has brilliantly captured the essence of SriVaishnavism in just a few paragraphs. This 'avarice' of HH is because he is never satisfied with 1000's of Prapatthi or Saranagathi already performed by Him on behalf of Sishyas, surrendering their Soul {or Aatmaa} to Sriman Narayana, the Lord of All Creation, Universes, Galaxies, Milkyways etc., HH is an 'avaricious Acharya' as He is always eager to perform many 1000's more Prapatthis, release those Aatmaas from the never ending cycle of births & deaths {Punarabi Jananam Punarabi Maranam} and transmit them to SriVaikuntam where they will become Mukthas in the service of the Lord. ACHARYAS BENEDICTION The fact that our Acharyas have willingly performed Prapatthi for one & all without bothering about such 'disqualifications' should by itself clear the reservations of these Vyakthis. Adiyen felt that an article aimed at clearing such doubts & reservations would be appropriate and sought the Niyamanam of HH. The idea is many 1000's more of the Sevarthis have to come forward and enable this Great Acharya to continue His 'Avaricious' activity – Perform Prapatthi & convey their souls to the Lotus feet of Sriman Narayana at SriVaikuntam. Any merit in these submissions is entirely due to the everlasting grace & teachings of HH Srimad Andavan – all errors are entirely due to adiyen's 'brilliance' & 'competence'! ACHARYA PARAMPARA THANIYAN LAKSHMINATHA SAMAARAMBAAM NATHA YAMUNA {MUNI} MADHYAMAAM ASMATH ACHARYA PARYANTHAM VANDE GURU PARAMAPARAM We daily recite in our Seva Kaalam & Perumal Acharya Sambavanai Kramam: "Sriman Nathamuni Srimad Yamuna Muni Sri Ramanuja Muni roopa Munithreya Siddantha Staapanaacharya ….". SRI ALAVANDHAR'S PRAPATTHI Sri ALavandhAr {Srimad Yaamuna Muni}, the Acharya Sreshta & Pracharyan of Sri Ramanuja Muni, performs His Prapatthi in His Sthothram 22 of Sthothra Rathnam: "na dharma nishtosmi na sathmavedi na bhakthiman twath saranaravinde AkinchanOn ananyagathic Saranya: twath paadamoolam Saranam prapathye" Saranya – O Lord, Sriyapathiaana Sriman Narayana, Dhamanishta na asmi – I am not capable so I have not performed karma yogam as prescribed in Srutis & Dharma Saastras, Atmavedhi sa na asmi – I am not competent in Veda Adhyayanam or Adhyapanam & I am not capable so I have not performed Gnaana yogam to follow the Karma Yogam, Twath saranaravinde bhakthiman na asmi – I am not capable of & have not performed Bhakthi Yogam by surrendering at to Your Lotus feet, Akinchanan – I do not have any capital or credit except the huge load of sins that I carry over through several births, Ananyagathi – I have no other person/s to save me or uplift my soul to your lotus feet, Twath paadamoolam Saranam prapathye – So I fall at your Lotus Feet in total unconditional surrender!! Sri ALavandhAr, a great Savant and a Kula Koodasthar of SriVaishnavism portrays himself as an akinchanan & the what is our status!?! HH Sri ALavandhAr was one of the greatest scholars ever to be born, ruled over a half kingdom won in a debate with AkkiyAzhvAn {the Prathama Asthana Vidwan in the Chozha Kingdom}, thereafter renounced the kingdom & became an Acharya under the directions of His grandfather and Pracharyan Sriman Nathamuni! His magnum opus is called the Sthothra Rathnam as it comprises 65 Stothrams of rarest quality on the Sriman Narayana. There are 3 Rathnams in Indian Philosophy – Dwayam is called Mantra Rathnam, SRIMAN NARYANASCHA SARANOU SARANAM PRAPATHYE, SRIMATHE NARAYANAYA NAMA: {NAMAHA} Sri Vishnu Puranam is called Purana Rathnam, HH Sri ALavandhAr's offering is called the Sthothra Rathnam. While all 65 are rarest of rare gems, Stothram No. 22 dealing with Sri ALavandhAr's own Prapatthi depicts in four lines the Soul & Jeevan of the Srivaishnavaite Philosophy!! In all recorded history, Sri ALavandhAr was one of the handful of SriVaishnavaite Savants capable & competent to perform Karma Yogam, Gnaana Yogam & Bhakthi Yogam in seriatim. Such was His Anushtanams to perform the ordained Karmas, Boundless Gnanam, deep rooted Bhakthi. But the great Savant wanted to emphasize the most important message of SriVaishnavaite Philosophy!! With His Sauseelyam {lowering from the highest pedestal and equating with ordinary mortals like ourselves}, Sri ALavandhAr portrays himself as an Akinchanan incapable of performing Karma Yogam, Gnaana Yogam & Bhakthi Yogam & so performs Prapatthi at the Lotus Feet of Sriman Narayana!! {to be continued}Warmest Regards. Daasan RR.________________________________ On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:08 AM, RR <shrirr wrote: Dear Sevarthis, The Srikaryam Swami could not be reached as he is busy in his daily Aradhanams. But adiyen contacted his Prathama Sishya and Salakshana Ganapati Vaduvur Govindachariar Swami {Director of our Srimath Andavan Veda Patasala at Vaduvur} and would convey his advice: There is strictly no bar as per Saastras in a Kanya Stree getting Pancha Samskaram done by her Acharya,Then she becomes a full fledged Sishyai of that Acharya, recites the Guru Parampara Thanians of that Acharya Vargam and carries out the household duties in relation to various Karmas & Samskarams,The problem is a practical one - if she gets married to a boy of say another Sampradayam {an Andavan Asramam Sishyai getting married to a boy of Sri Parakala Mutt or Sri Ahobila Mutt Paramapara or vice versa},The boy and/or his family may say OK, you have already performed PS, you continue to do all household activities and continue to recite your Acharya's Thanians, we have no issue with that,That is a very happy confluence of events - BUT - this may NOT happen in most cases - in fact it will NOT happen in most cases!! Unfortunately, this is a male dominated world {sorry, this is controversial - maybe it is justified in this instance - maybe it is not - it is the male who gets to do - if at all - all religious karmas in the house!},If the husband insists as he will in most cases, she will have to perform PS again - There will be more complexity - we have come across very very rare cases of double PS! This gets even more tricky, because she will have to recite the Thanians of her new Acharya Vargam & She must continue to recite the Thanians of her original Acharya Vargam as well - that can never be ignored all her life - More complications if the boy's family is very " broad minded " and insists that she must recite their Thanians of their Acharya Vargam only - if she is forced, it will be a terrible Apachaaram allround!!Saastras or any SriVaishnavaite Grantham do not prohibit a Kanya Stree from performing PS but these are the complications for which a practical solution is yet to be found. As & when adiyen contacts the Srikaryam Swami for his views, further posting will result!!Vachika Doshaha Kshandavya: Warmest Regards.Daasan RR. _ On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200 wrote: Dear Sevarthis and specially Sri RR, My grateful thanks for elucidation. I am pretty sure that there will be no ambiguity after the expert consultations..In case of any options, our Acharya's opinion which has to be accepted and cannot be contradicted by even the Divine Couple, can guide. us With all humility and Respects,. Adiyen KRK. --- On Tue, 12/8/08, RR <shrirr wrote: RR <shrirrRe: (unknown)andavan Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 7:22 PM Dear Sevarthis, Sriman KRK has raised valid points. Point No. 1 needs to be referred to great Scholars & authorities on Dharma Saastras like our Srikaryam - Veda Baashyam Sri Veeravillli Srinivasa Desikachariar Swami. Adiyen will come back on that after consulting that great man. Sri KRK has answered his point no. 2 himself!! Consent is not possible in respect of other Jeeva Rasis. Our Acharyas, with their divine wisdom, will do the needful. HH Srimad Thirukkudanthai Andavan did perform Saranagathi for a Bairavar in 1975 on His way from the then Bombay to New Delhi - it is a big story that will unfold when adiyen deals with this subject in greater detail. Warmest Regards. Daasan RR. ____________ _________ ___ On 8/12/08, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200@ .co. in> wrote: Pancha Samskaram. Dear Sevarthis. Sub: Pancha Samskaram.. It is clear that Panchsamskaram is not an essential prerequisite for Prapatti though it is required to qualify the individual to do austere actions of Tharpanams, Aradhanam etc. It is also stated that for Kanya Stree that Prapatti can be done first and at any time before or after marriage but PS can be done only after marriage. In this context, two clarifications will greatly help. If a Kanya Stree in her teens happens by chance or fate to be the only lady in a household where Achara works are done, can she then go ahead to get PS done so that she gets qualified for supporting works like cooking, cleaning etc for the Aradhanams and other religious rituals? Otherwise the household will be forced to go in for outside help only, or it has to give up these meritorious acts which step is not correct. The next point is that there is an understanding that PS is an act which catalyzes the person physically, mentally and spiritually as a true Vaishnava. If that be so then the Beings other than human do not need PS. The Prapatti done with or without the consent of the Being will release the soul from bondage and submit to the feet of the Divine Couple. With all humility and Respects. Adeiyan KRK --- On Tue, 12/8/08, RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: (unknown)andavan@ .com Tuesday, 12 August, 2008, 10:02 AM Dear Sevarthis,A friend called up to say that points 1 & 3 of adiyen's posting are confusing & contradictory. Adiyen will clarify as follows: Prapatthi is usually done by HH in the Asramam {and by Acharyas' of other Mutts also} after He performs Pancha Samskaram for the Sevarthis praying for the same, In other words, HH performs the Pancha Samskaram first for a group of Sevarthis, After this is completed, HH takes up Saranagathi, That is the sequence of events in the Asramam {and other Mutts}, Many Sevarthis wanting to perform Saranagathi have to wait, This is what adiyen meant in point 1 of the mail. As far as the individual Sevarthi is concerned, there is no rule that she or he must perform Pancha Samskaram first & then she or he can perform Saranagathi, In fact, for a Kanya Stree, the reverse sequence is the rule, Either due to her parents' request or on her own initiative, Prapatthi is performed first and then Pancha Samskaram later on only after her marriage, For the menfolk, they are free to perform Prapatthi first and then Pancha Samskaram, Generally Pancha Samskaram {PS} is done first but that is NOT the rule, There is a logic here - PS is the essential pre requisite for performing Perumal Aradhanams, Tharpanams, Shraardhams & a host of religious Karmas, Reasonably religious families bring their sons for PS immediately after performing Brahmopadesam, Others get this done after the boy gets married! Better late than never!! One subject has always intrigued adiyen during his 40 years of blissful & heavenly experience in the Asramam at the lotus feet of three great Acharyas; That is the reluctance of many Sevarthis to perform Prapatthi. They are ready for Pancha Samskaram {Samasrayanam} but hesitate, hum, hah etc., when the subject of Prapatthi is raised!! When asked why they hesitate to perform Prapatthi now, they reply 'not now', 'later on Sir, I am not orthodox enough', 'I cannot conform as I am a Professional' , 'I travel too much due to my profession', 'So I eat out in hotels' or simply 'no, Swamin' etc., That is why adiyen planned - with the Niyamanam & Blessings of HH Srimad Andavan - to write in detail about Prapatthi. Sevarthis may kindly wait for further postings in this regard.Warmest regards & Ananthakoti Pranams. Daasan RR____________ _________ _________ __ On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 8:46 AM, RR <shrirr (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Sevarthis,This is very interesting - more such queries mean that the interest of Sevarthis about Prapatthi is increasing. Adiyen has one caveat here, Prapatthi is usually done after Pancha Samskaram, So, a Sevarthi requesting HH to perform Prapatthi waits till the Pancha Samskaram is completed by HH for all the Sevarthis that day, There is no convention that Prapatthi can be or has to be done only after Pancha Samskaram, Also, Prapatthi is the Act of Saranagathi of the soul, We pray to Sriman Narayana to grant us a place at His Lotus Feet in Moksha Samrajya, With His utmost Kaarunyam, He does that by liberating our souls from the never ending cycle of births & deaths, OR we request Him to take the soul - that was HIS property to start with - back. There is no protocol for the husband's soul to be liberated first & then the wife's soul should follow, Adiyen knows of Prapatthi performed for many wives, Their husband/s are not yet interested or initiated or informed enough even to think of Pancha Samskaram or Prapatthi, HH has performed Prapatthi for new born babies {girl children} - {one baby had her Prapatthi performed within a week after her arrival but her grand father passed away at the age of 78 without offering Prapatthi!} Though they will NOT perform Pancha Samskaram for a Kanya Stree,Adiyen is Blessed by HH to put down some " Random Thoughts " in our Asramam Journal Sri Ranganatha Paduka. Prapatthi will appear in November issue as we are still complete Marriages & Tharpanams in September & October issues. However, some brief points on Prapatthi will be submitted to the Sevarthis in this site separately.Ananthakoti PranamsDaasan RR.____________ ___ On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Krishnaswami K R Rangaswami <koilvenni2200@ .co. in> wrote: Dear Shri Ranganathan Iyengar, Bharanyasam (otherwise known as ' Prapatti' also) is the formal and conscious acceptance by the individual of the already existing fact that Jeevatma is the property of the Almighty and requesting the Almighty to continue to protect the same. The Acharya endows the Prapatti with the quality of 'non-fail'. Since Prapatti is advised by our Acharyas to be done as soon as possible preceded by Panchasamskaram, it is proved that age does not matter. Any day from the birth is suitable. Further as an earlier Acharya of ours, His Holiness Thenparai Andavan, has advised that as the ritual is confined to the Jeevatma, the Prapatti by a wife independent of the husband is very valid. The above go to show that Prapatti can be done by unmarried females also at any age and also before marriage. It is good to bear in mind that Prapatti is applicable for all souls in addition to that of humans, viz animals, birds, insects and the others. The above is my humble understanding. I am praying most humbly to our present Most Revered Andavan that this has his approval. Adiyen Krishnaswami K.R. --- On Sun, 10/8/08, ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > wrote: ranganathan Iyengar <rangs_in > (unknown) andavan@ .comSunday, 10 August, 2008, 12:26 PM Respected Elders, I think, Bharanyasam can be got done even before anybody's marriage and for samasaranam- yes, particularly for the ladies, this can happen only after the girl's marriage. Pls. correct me if I am wrong. Adiyen, Tenpirai A.Ranganathan +91-9840688833 Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. -- Heartfelt thanks & Warmest RegardsRR____________ _________ ______R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street,Chennai 600 033. INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ____________ _________ ______Please visit us at:http://www.eyetex. com -- Heartfelt thanks & Warmest RegardsRR____________ _________ ______R Rajagopal,Partner,ARAVIND LABORATORIES,New No 11, Old No 7,Chakrapani Street, Chennai 600 033.INDIAPh: 9144 2483 8585 - Office9144 2249 1971 - Factory9144 2484 0468 - Fax9193850 50002 - Mobile,9194440 57848 - Mobile ____________ _________ ______Please visit us at: http://www.eyetex. com Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2008 Dear all, Radhe Krishna! As Sarojaji says, we are followers of Sanatana Dharma which tolerates all religions. Hence we should, really speaking, believe in one God, the Supreme Nirguna Brahman, the Whole Indivisible, All-pervading God, whose manifestations are seen as many religions, beliefs, different Gods, etc. A real Jnani will not be a religious fanatic and will try to respect all religions and pray to all Gods. He will also try to learn good aspects of all religious faiths. Please dont think I am boasting about myself. When I go for my walks in any place i visit, if I come across a temple, a church or even a mosque, I stand before it with folded hands and pray for World Peace for a while. Looking at me with Bhasmam and Chandanam on my forehead, and praying before a mosque, I have seen many people looking at me as a funny creature and even laughing sometimes. I do not bother about all that. Let us respect all religions and all Gods so that this world will be free from religious prejudices, differences and hatred. Love only begets more love. Love for all religions, Gods and people. Love KVG. Saroja Ramanujam wrote: Dear devortees, Some one has taken objection to my quoting a story about a christian. I am not prejudiced against anyone or any religion since God is one. But I forwarded the story just to show that it is not necesaary that one should learn prayers and it is enough if you just recognise the Lord as some one close to you who know your innermost heart . it is just like any other srory and has no religious significance.You have to take at its face value and not attribute any motive to it.Good stories with morals are available in all religions. I told the story of devotee of pure and simple heart and if you want you an change the names to suit Hindufaith, no harm.Taj ke the moral and not the details such as the name and religion etc. sarojaramanujam Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. www.freewebs.com/asrama3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2008 Dear Gopalakrishnaji and Sarojaji, What a good example both of you are setting for all of us who are standing at much lower steps of the spiritual ladder! Climbing to reach the abode of that one God is like playing snake and ladder. Whenever we are bitten by the snake of intolerance, ahamkaaram, jealousy and any other negative feelings we have to start the purification proedure all over again. People like you give us the inspiration and courage to go forward and avoid serious or sometime even fatal bites from the enemies residing in ourselves. May God bless you with all that is pure and good. Respectful regards and prayers Savitri On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:53 AM, K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna.kv wrote: Dear all,Radhe Krishna!As Sarojaji says, we are followers of Sanatana Dharma which tolerates all religions. Hence we should, really speaking, believe in one God, the Supreme Nirguna Brahman, the Whole Indivisible, All-pervading God, whose manifestations are seen as many religions, beliefs, different Gods, etc. A real Jnani will not be a religious fanatic and will try to respect all religions and pray to all Gods. He will also try to learn good aspects of all religious faiths. Please dont think I am boasting about myself. When I go for my walks in any place i visit, if I come across a temple, a church or even a mosque, I stand before it with folded hands and pray for World Peace for a while. Looking at me with Bhasmam and Chandanam on my forehead, and praying before a mosque, I have seen many people looking at me as a funny creature and even laughing sometimes. I do not bother about all that. Let us respect all religions and all Gods so that this world will be free from religious prejudices, differences and hatred. Love only begets more love. Love for all religions, Gods and people.LoveKVG. Saroja Ramanujam wrote: Dear devortees, Some one has taken objection to my quoting a story about a christian. I am not prejudiced against anyone or any religion since God is one. But I forwarded the story just to show that it is not necesaary that one should learn prayers and it is enough if you just recognise the Lord as some one close to you who know your innermost heart . it is just like any other srory and has no religious significance.You have to take at its face value and not attribute any motive to it.Good stories with morals are available in all religions. I told the story of devotee of pure and simple heart and if you want you an change the names to suit Hindufaith, no harm.Taj ke the moral and not the details such as the name and religion etc. sarojaramanujam Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. www.freewebs.com/asrama3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2008 Om Namo Narayanaya Dear Savithri Puram I totally agree with you. These two and our Sunil Menon (Owner-cum-moderator) are the stalwarts of our group and I sincerely pray Lord Guruvayoorappan to bless them with HIS choicest blessings all the time Om Namo Narayanaya Chandrasekharan Savitri Puram <savitriopuramguruvayur Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:12:33 PMRe: [Guruvayur] (unknown) Dear Gopalakrishnaji and Sarojaji, What a good example both of you are setting for all of us who are standing at much lower steps of the spiritual ladder! Climbing to reach the abode of that one God is like playing snake and ladder. Whenever we are bitten by the snake of intolerance, ahamkaaram, jealousy and any other negative feelings we have to start the purification proedure all over again. People like you give us the inspiration and courage to go forward and avoid serious or sometime even fatal bites from the enemies residing in ourselves. May God bless you with all that is pure and good. Respectful regards and prayers Savitri On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:53 AM, K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna. kv (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear all,Radhe Krishna!As Sarojaji says, we are followers of Sanatana Dharma which tolerates all religions. Hence we should, really speaking, believe in one God, the Supreme Nirguna Brahman, the Whole Indivisible, All-pervading God, whose manifestations are seen as many religions, beliefs, different Gods, etc. A real Jnani will not be a religious fanatic and will try to respect all religions and pray to all Gods. He will also try to learn good aspects of all religious faiths.Please dont think I am boasting about myself. When I go for my walks in any place i visit, if I come across a temple, a church or even a mosque, I stand before it with folded hands and pray for World Peace for a while. Looking at me with Bhasmam and Chandanam on my forehead, and praying before a mosque, I have seen many people looking at me as a funny creature and even laughing sometimes. I do not bother about all that. Let us respect all religions and all Gods so that this world will be free from religious prejudices, differences and hatred. Love only begets more love. Love for all religions, Gods and people.LoveKVG. Saroja Ramanujam wrote: Dear devortees, Some one has taken objection to my quoting a story about a christian. I am not prejudiced against anyone or any religion since God is one. But I forwarded the story just to show that it is not necesaary that one should learn prayers and it is enough if you just recognise the Lord as some one close to you who know your innermost heart . it is just like any other srory and has no religious significance. You have to take at its face value and not attribute any motive to it.Good stories with morals are available in all religions. I told the story of devotee of pure and simple heart and if you want you an change the names to suit Hindufaith, no harm.Taj ke the moral and not the details such as the name and religion etc. sarojaramanujam Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. www.freewebs. com/asrama3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 28, 2008 Dear Menonji, Our sincere prayers to Guruvayurappan for you to get well soon. Om namo Bhagavathe Vaasudevaaya! Regards and prayers Savitri On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Chandra Menon <chandrasmenon2002 wrote: Om Namo Narayanaya Dear Savithri Puram I totally agree with you. These two and our Sunil Menon (Owner-cum-moderator) are the stalwarts of our group and I sincerely pray Lord Guruvayoorappan to bless them with HIS choicest blessings all the time Om Namo Narayanaya Chandrasekharan Savitri Puram <savitriopuram guruvayur Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 1:12:33 PMRe: [Guruvayur] (unknown) Dear Gopalakrishnaji and Sarojaji, What a good example both of you are setting for all of us who are standing at much lower steps of the spiritual ladder! Climbing to reach the abode of that one God is like playing snake and ladder. Whenever we are bitten by the snake of intolerance, ahamkaaram, jealousy and any other negative feelings we have to start the purification proedure all over again. People like you give us the inspiration and courage to go forward and avoid serious or sometime even fatal bites from the enemies residing in ourselves. May God bless you with all that is pure and good. Respectful regards and prayers Savitri On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:53 AM, K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna. kv (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Dear all,Radhe Krishna!As Sarojaji says, we are followers of Sanatana Dharma which tolerates all religions. Hence we should, really speaking, believe in one God, the Supreme Nirguna Brahman, the Whole Indivisible, All-pervading God, whose manifestations are seen as many religions, beliefs, different Gods, etc. A real Jnani will not be a religious fanatic and will try to respect all religions and pray to all Gods. He will also try to learn good aspects of all religious faiths. Please dont think I am boasting about myself. When I go for my walks in any place i visit, if I come across a temple, a church or even a mosque, I stand before it with folded hands and pray for World Peace for a while. Looking at me with Bhasmam and Chandanam on my forehead, and praying before a mosque, I have seen many people looking at me as a funny creature and even laughing sometimes. I do not bother about all that. Let us respect all religions and all Gods so that this world will be free from religious prejudices, differences and hatred. Love only begets more love. Love for all religions, Gods and people.LoveKVG. Saroja Ramanujam wrote: Dear devortees, Some one has taken objection to my quoting a story about a christian. I am not prejudiced against anyone or any religion since God is one. But I forwarded the story just to show that it is not necesaary that one should learn prayers and it is enough if you just recognise the Lord as some one close to you who know your innermost heart . it is just like any other srory and has no religious significance. You have to take at its face value and not attribute any motive to it.Good stories with morals are available in all religions. I told the story of devotee of pure and simple heart and if you want you an change the names to suit Hindufaith, no harm.Taj ke the moral and not the details such as the name and religion etc. sarojaramanujam Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. www.freewebs. com/asrama3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2008 Very true!!!! God is only one..different religions are different pathways to Him. Respect every other religion just as we respect ours. --- On Thu, 8/28/08, K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna.kv wrote: K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna.kvRe: [Guruvayur] (unknown)guruvayur Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 5:53 PM Dear all,Radhe Krishna!As Sarojaji says, we are followers of Sanatana Dharma which tolerates all religions. Hence we should, really speaking, believe in one God, the Supreme Nirguna Brahman, the Whole Indivisible, All-pervading God, whose manifestations are seen as many religions, beliefs, different Gods, etc. A real Jnani will not be a religious fanatic and will try to respect all religions and pray to all Gods. He will also try to learn good aspects of all religious faiths.Please dont think I am boasting about myself. When I go for my walks in any place i visit, if I come across a temple, a church or even a mosque, I stand before it with folded hands and pray for World Peace for a while. Looking at me with Bhasmam and Chandanam on my forehead, and praying before a mosque, I have seen many people looking at me as a funny creature and even laughing sometimes. I do not bother about all that. Let us respect all religions and all Gods so that this world will be free from religious prejudices, differences and hatred. Love only begets more love. Love for all religions, Gods and people.LoveKVG.Saroja Ramanujam wrote: Dear devortees, Some one has taken objection to my quoting a story about a christian. I am not prejudiced against anyone or any religion since God is one. But I forwarded the story just to show that it is not necesaary that one should learn prayers and it is enough if you just recognise the Lord as some one close to you who know your innermost heart . it is just like any other srory and has no religious significance. You have to take at its face value and not attribute any motive to it.Good stories with morals are available in all religions. I told the story of devotee of pure and simple heart and if you want you an change the names to suit Hindufaith, no harm.Taj ke the moral and not the details such as the name and religion etc. sarojaramanujam Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. www.freewebs. com/asrama3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2008 Om Namo Narayanaya Dear Gopalakrishnaji, Very well said and we are very much blessed to have you both seniors in this group. Just recently I had got a 'Thought for the day' message from the School of Bhagwat Gita Chapter in Dubai...which is copied below and this I would like to share with all our dear devotees. schoolofbhagavadgitauae (AT) googl (DOT) com [schoolofbhagavadgitauae (AT) googl (DOT) com] On Behalf Of School of Bhagavad Gita23 August 2008 11:10School of Bhagavad Gita - UAEThought for the day There are several bathing banks or ghats on a large river. A person goes to whichever ghat he pleases, but reaches the same water. There's no point in quarrelling over the merits of the various ghats. Every religion of the world is like a ghat, each has its own plus and minus points. And each leads to the water of Eternal Bliss. The one and the same water is called by different names in different languages. So, the one Sat-Chit-Ananda, Existence-Consciousness-Bliss, is invoked by some as Allah, by some as Hari and by others as Jesus. Narayana Narayana Narayana Pravin--- On Thu, 8/28/08, K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna.kv wrote: K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna.kvRe: [Guruvayur] (unknown)guruvayur Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 1:53 PM Dear all,Radhe Krishna!As Sarojaji says, we are followers of Sanatana Dharma which tolerates all religions. Hence we should, really speaking, believe in one God, the Supreme Nirguna Brahman, the Whole Indivisible, All-pervading God, whose manifestations are seen as many religions, beliefs, different Gods, etc. A real Jnani will not be a religious fanatic and will try to respect all religions and pray to all Gods. He will also try to learn good aspects of all religious faiths.Please dont think I am boasting about myself. When I go for my walks in any place i visit, if I come across a temple, a church or even a mosque, I stand before it with folded hands and pray for World Peace for a while. Looking at me with Bhasmam and Chandanam on my forehead, and praying before a mosque, I have seen many people looking at me as a funny creature and even laughing sometimes. I do not bother about all that. Let us respect all religions and all Gods so that this world will be free from religious prejudices, differences and hatred. Love only begets more love. Love for all religions, Gods and people.LoveKVG.Saroja Ramanujam wrote: Dear devortees, Some one has taken objection to my quoting a story about a christian. I am not prejudiced against anyone or any religion since God is one. But I forwarded the story just to show that it is not necesaary that one should learn prayers and it is enough if you just recognise the Lord as some one close to you who know your innermost heart . it is just like any other srory and has no religious significance. You have to take at its face value and not attribute any motive to it.Good stories with morals are available in all religions. I told the story of devotee of pure and simple heart and if you want you an change the names to suit Hindufaith, no harm.Taj ke the moral and not the details such as the name and religion etc. sarojaramanujam Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. www.freewebs. com/asrama3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 29, 2008 Dear Pravinji, Savitriji and other friends, Radhe Krishna! We should keep an open mind and learn to respect all religions. If we look closely, all religions ultimately teach us the same things. The differences are only at lower levels. It was in that context that I was quoting my own experience. One day, my youngest son, who was hardly 12 years old came to me and asked, "Appa, my friend is calling me to the Church, can I go?" I was puzzled. I never expected a question from him of this nature. I thought for a while and said--" Okay, son, you can very well go. But you should know that any place people pray is a sacred place. So dont go just for fun's sake. If your friend is calling you, go along with him and pray to God with all sincerity to protect us from all evil." Many ask me whether "Dvaitha" or "Advaitha" is correct. I tell them that in this respect, there is nothing right and nothing wrong. It is all in each person's concept. Love KVG Pravin balan wrote: Om Namo Narayanaya Dear Gopalakrishnaji, Very well said and we are very much blessed to have you both seniors in this group. Just recently I had got a 'Thought for the day' message from the School of Bhagwat Gita Chapter in Dubai...which is copied below and this I would like to share with all our dear devotees. schoolofbhagavadgitauae (AT) googl (DOT) com [schoolofbhagavadgitauae (AT) googl (DOT) com] On Behalf Of School of Bhagavad Gita 23 August 2008 11:10 School of Bhagavad Gita - UAE Thought for the day There are several bathing banks or ghats on a large river. A person goes to whichever ghat he pleases, but reaches the same water. There's no point in quarrelling over the merits of the various ghats. Every religion of the world is like a ghat, each has its own plus and minus points. And each leads to the water of Eternal Bliss. The one and the same water is called by different names in different languages. So, the one Sat-Chit-Ananda, Existence-Consciousness-Bliss, is invoked by some as Allah, by some as Hari and by others as Jesus. Narayana Narayana Narayana Pravin --- On Thu, 8/28/08, K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna.kv > wrote: K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna.kv > Re: [Guruvayur] (unknown) guruvayur Thursday, August 28, 2008, 1:53 PM Dear all, Radhe Krishna! As Sarojaji says, we are followers of Sanatana Dharma which tolerates all religions. Hence we should, really speaking, believe in one God, the Supreme Nirguna Brahman, the Whole Indivisible, All-pervading God, whose manifestations are seen as many religions, beliefs, different Gods, etc. A real Jnani will not be a religious fanatic and will try to respect all religions and pray to all Gods. He will also try to learn good aspects of all religious faiths. Please dont think I am boasting about myself. When I go for my walks in any place i visit, if I come across a temple, a church or even a mosque, I stand before it with folded hands and pray for World Peace for a while. Looking at me with Bhasmam and Chandanam on my forehead, and praying before a mosque, I have seen many people looking at me as a funny creature and even laughing sometimes. I do not bother about all that. Let us respect all religions and all Gods so that this world will be free from religious prejudices, differences and hatred. Love only begets more love. Love for all religions, Gods and people. Love KVG. Saroja Ramanujam wrote: Dear devortees, Some one has taken objection to my quoting a story about a christian. I am not prejudiced against anyone or any religion since God is one. But I forwarded the story just to show that it is not necesaary that one should learn prayers and it is enough if you just recognise the Lord as some one close to you who know your innermost heart . it is just like any other srory and has no religious significance. You have to take at its face value and not attribute any motive to it.Good stories with morals are available in all religions. I told the story of devotee of pure and simple heart and if you want you an change the names to suit Hindufaith, no harm.Taj ke the moral and not the details such as the name and religion etc. sarojaramanujam Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. www.freewebs. com/asrama3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2008 I agree fully with KVG ji in this respect. We have an example of the fact that truly evolved have no hatred towards any religion or philosophy. Sri Ramakrishna followed all religions and all philosophical views for ashort time and through his meditation and said that he foudout by experience that all religions and all philosophers talk about the same truth but only the way of expression is different according to the difference in individuals. saroj Ramanujam Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. www.freewebs.com/asrama3 --- On Fri, 8/29/08, K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna.kv wrote: K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna.kvRe: [Guruvayur] (unknown)guruvayur Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 4:56 PM Dear Pravinji, Savitriji and other friends,Radhe Krishna!We should keep an open mind and learn to respect all religions. If we look closely, all religions ultimately teach us the same things. The differences are only at lower levels. It was in that context that I was quoting my own experience. One day, my youngest son, who was hardly 12 years old came to me and asked, "Appa, my friend is calling me to the Church, can I go?"I was puzzled. I never expected a question from him of this nature. I thought for a while and said--" Okay, son, you can very well go. But you should know that any place people pray is a sacred place. So dont go just for fun's sake. If your friend is calling you, go along with him and pray to God with all sincerity to protect us from all evil."Many ask me whether "Dvaitha" or "Advaitha" is correct. I tell them that in this respect, there is nothing right and nothing wrong. It is all in each person's concept.LoveKVGPravin balan wrote: Om Namo Narayanaya Dear Gopalakrishnaji, Very well said and we are very much blessed to have you both seniors in this group. Just recently I had got a 'Thought for the day' message from the School of Bhagwat Gita Chapter in Dubai...which is copied below and this I would like to share with all our dear devotees. schoolofbhagavadgit auae@googlegroup s.com [schoolofbha gavadgitauae@ googl. com] On Behalf Of School of Bhagavad Gita23 August 2008 11:10School of Bhagavad Gita - UAEThought for the day There are several bathing banks or ghats on a large river. A person goes to whichever ghat he pleases, but reaches the same water. There's no point in quarrelling over the merits of the various ghats. Every religion of the world is like a ghat, each has its own plus and minus points. And each leads to the water of Eternal Bliss. The one and the same water is called by different names in different languages. So, the one Sat-Chit-Ananda, Existence-Conscious ness-Bliss, is invoked by some as Allah, by some as Hari and by others as Jesus. Narayana Narayana Narayana Pravin--- On Thu, 8/28/08, K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna. kv (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna. kv (AT) gmail (DOT) com>Re: [Guruvayur] (unknown)guruvayur@grou ps.comThursday, August 28, 2008, 1:53 PM Dear all,Radhe Krishna!As Sarojaji says, we are followers of Sanatana Dharma which tolerates all religions. Hence we should, really speaking, believe in one God, the Supreme Nirguna Brahman, the Whole Indivisible, All-pervading God, whose manifestations are seen as many religions, beliefs, different Gods, etc. A real Jnani will not be a religious fanatic and will try to respect all religions and pray to all Gods. He will also try to learn good aspects of all religious faiths.Please dont think I am boasting about myself. When I go for my walks in any place i visit, if I come across a temple, a church or even a mosque, I stand before it with folded hands and pray for World Peace for a while. Looking at me with Bhasmam and Chandanam on my forehead, and praying before a mosque, I have seen many people looking at me as a funny creature and even laughing sometimes. I do not bother about all that. Let us respect all religions and all Gods so that this world will be free from religious prejudices, differences and hatred. Love only begets more love. Love for all religions, Gods and people.LoveKVG.Saroja Ramanujam wrote: Dear devortees, Some one has taken objection to my quoting a story about a christian. I am not prejudiced against anyone or any religion since God is one. But I forwarded the story just to show that it is not necesaary that one should learn prayers and it is enough if you just recognise the Lord as some one close to you who know your innermost heart . it is just like any other srory and has no religious significance. You have to take at its face value and not attribute any motive to it.Good stories with morals are available in all religions. I told the story of devotee of pure and simple heart and if you want you an change the names to suit Hindufaith, no harm.Taj ke the moral and not the details such as the name and religion etc. sarojaramanujam Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. www.freewebs. com/asrama3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 30, 2008 Dear Sarojaji, How can a true devotee get nervous when he hear about Jesus or Allah. We are chanting daily Vishnusahasra Nama for world peace and we get panic when we hear other names of God. Is it auspicious ? We believe that there is only one God. HE has 1000 plus names. It is HE only who gives blessings to HIS devotees through Jesus or Allah or any other form of God. I am only a bottom level devotee and not qualified to discuss such deeper subjects. As our KVJji said, I do respect all the religions. Whenever I come across a church or mosque, I do pray to our God who is present there. I do not beleive that the God there is a different one than our Bhagwan. People use to call him by different names. If I am wrong please forgive me. I request you or any other Gita experts in our group to give me a brief explanation of the slokas of BG 7/21, 7/22 and 9/23. Regards and prayers. Sajan--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Saroja Ramanujam <sarojram18 wrote: Saroja Ramanujam <sarojram18[Guruvayur] (unknown)guruvayur Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 7:24 PM Dear devortees, Some one has taken objection to my quoting a story about a christian. I am not prejudiced against anyone or any religion since God is one. But I forwarded the story just to show that it is not necesaary that one should learn prayers and it is enough if you just recognise the Lord as some one close to you who know your innermost heart . it is just like any other srory and has no religious significance. You have to take at its face value and not attribute any motive to it.Good stories with morals are available in all religions. I told the story of devotee of pure and simple heart and if you want you an change the names to suit Hindufaith, no harm.Taj ke the moral and not the details such as the name and religion etc. sarojaramanujam Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. www.freewebs. com/asrama3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 31, 2008 All religions are not same Dear Mr Sajan Sukumaran and others, The God may not be different. But the concept of God is different and that makes a lot of difference. Because of that reason aloe I cannot agree that all religions are same. The similarity is limited to just the aim/goal. Even that has much difference. Our spiritual science says it is moksham and that is the merger of jeevatman with paramatman. But the religions (especially christianity or islam) don't accept this. For us the ultimate aim is not reaching the heaven, but our aim is to reach paramatman and merge with Him or It and attain the Ultimate Bliss. They don't even accept that the paramatman is the same as jeevatman and that is why all are to be treated equally. Christianity or islam never accepts these things. They say everything is owned by God. We say every thing is paramatman. So in my opinion all religions are not same. The similarity I see is only in saying that we must do every thing righteously. But even the standard/bench marks for that righteousness are very different. They say they can just kill any animal just for the pleasure of killing or for eating, we say killing another life form is wrong. They say only their way is the correct way. We say any path is OK. They so God sits on throne in the heaven. We say parmatman resides in every body and every thing. For them god is away from us. For us the paramatman is with in us, but we are not realizing it. We are in quest to find that entity within us, and they are searching for the god in heaven sitting in a throne with golden crown on his head. Then how can we say all are same. No they are not. This is the conclusion I came to. At one stage in my life I also used to think that it is all the same. But as I went deeper and deeper into it I realized that it is not the same. There are lots of differences. I am little busy with two three projects, if no one explained it in few days I shall try to explain Geetha 7/21, 7/22 and 7/23. Thanks. Sajan Sukumaran <sajan_sukumaran wrote: Dear Sarojaji, How can a true devotee get nervous when he hear about Jesus or Allah. We are chanting daily Vishnusahasra Nama for world peace and we get panic when we hear other names of God. Is it auspicious ? We believe that there is only one God. HE has 1000 plus names. It is HE only who gives blessings to HIS devotees through Jesus or Allah or any other form of God. I am only a bottom level devotee and not qualified to discuss such deeper subjects. As our KVJji said, I do respect all the religions. Whenever I come across a church or mosque, I do pray to our God who is present there. I do not beleive that the God there is a different one than our Bhagwan. People use to call him by different names. If I am wrong please forgive me. I request you or any other Gita experts in our group to give me a brief explanation of the slokas of BG 7/21, 7/22 and 9/23. Regards and prayers. Sajan--- On Wed, 8/27/08, Saroja Ramanujam <sarojram18 > wrote: Saroja Ramanujam <sarojram18 >[Guruvayur] (unknown)guruvayur Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 7:24 PM Dear devortees, Some one has taken objection to my quoting a story about a christian. I am not prejudiced against anyone or any religion since God is one. But I forwarded the story just to show that it is not necesaary that one should learn prayers and it is enough if you just recognise the Lord as some one close to you who know your innermost heart . it is just like any other srory and has no religious significance. You have to take at its face value and not attribute any motive to it.Good stories with morals are available in all religions. I told the story of devotee of pure and simple heart and if you want you an change the names to suit Hindufaith, no harm.Taj ke the moral and not the details such as the name and religion etc. sarojaramanujam Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit. www.freewebs. com/asrama3 Sincerely,Udayabhanu Panickaraum namahh Shivaaya OUR BODY IS THE ABODE OF THE JEEVATMAN, WHICH IS IN FACT THE PARABRAHMAN. LET US NOT MAKE IT A GRAVEYARD. LET US NOT EAT FLESH. LET US BE VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. Animals are to be loved, not eaten. Eating flesh is good neither for the mind nor for the intellect, not even for the body. It distorts the basic character of human. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 1, 2008 Dear Shri Udayabhanuji , Many thanks for your enlightening . Now a days a vast section of Santana Dharma are unaware about the basic tenets of their Vedic religion ; and they openly propagate non-vedic ideas . Unfortunately, the knowledgeable ones usually do not make any effort to correct the misunderstandings thinking it a shame to speak about religion . In this context , the selfless efforts of committed Vedic followers like you need to be appreciated. Please find below an authentic write-up by the renowned Vedic Master Shri. Chandrasekharendra Saraswathy Swamigal ( Shankaracharya of Kanchi Mutt) : Religions All religions have one common ideal, worship of the Lord, and all of them proclaim that there is but one God. This one God accepts your devotion irrespective of the manner of your worship, whether it is according to this or that religion. So there is no need to abandon the religion of your birth and embrace another. The temple, the church, the mosque, the vihara may be different from one another. The idol or the symbol in them may not also be the same and the rites performed in them may be different. But the Paramatman who wants to grace the worshipper, whatever be his faith, is the same. The different religions have taken shape according to the customs peculiar to the countries in which they originated and according to the differences in the mental outlook of the people inhabiting them. The goal of all religions is to lead people to the same Paramatman according to the different attributes of the devotees concerned. So there is no need for people to change over to another faith. Converts demean not only the religion of their birth but also the one to which they convert. Indeed they do demean God. "A man leaves the religion of his birth because he thinks there is something wanting in it," so you may think. 'Why does the Svaamigal say then that the convert demeans the new religion that he embraces? " I will tell you why. Is it not because they think that God is not the same in all religions that people embrace a new faith? By doing so, they see God in a reduced form, don't they? They presumably believe that the God of the religion of their birth is useless and jump to another faith. But do they believe that the God of their new religion is a universal God? No. No. If they did there would be no need for any change of faith. Why do people embrace a new faith? Is it not because that the continuance in the religion of their birth would mean a denial of the blessings of the God of the new faith to which they are attracted? This means that they place limitations on their new religion as well as on its God. When they convert to a new religion, apparently out of respect for it, they indeed dishonour it. One big difference between Hinduism and other faiths is that it does not proclaim that it alone shows the path to liberation. Our Vedic religion alone has not practiced conversion and the reason for it is that our forefathers were well aware that all religions are nothing but different paths to realise the one and only Paramatman. The Vedas proclaim: "The wise speak of the One Truth by different names. " Sri Krsna says in the Gita: "In whatever way or form a man worships me, I increase his faith and make him firm and steady in that worship. " And says one of the Azhvars: "Avaravar tamatamadu tarivari vahaivahai avaravar iraiyavar". This is the reason why the Hindus have not practiced- like adherents of other religions- proselytisation and religious persecution. Nor have they waged anything like the crusades or jehads. Our long history is sufficient proof of this. All historians accept the fact of our religious tolerance. They observe that, an empire like Srivijaya was established in the East, people there accepted our culture and our way of life willingly, not because they were imposed on them by force. They further remark that Hinduism spread through trade and not through force. In my opinion the Vedic religion was once prevalent all over the world. Certain ruins and relics found in various regions of the planet attest to this fact. Even historians who disagree with my view concede that in the past people in many lands accepted Indian culture and the way of life willingly and not on account of any force on our part. All religions that practice conversion employ a certain ritual. For instance, there is baptism in Christianity. Hinduism has more ritual than any other religion, yet its canonical texts do not contain any rite for conversion. No better proof is needed for the fact that we have at no time either encouraged conversion or practiced it. When a passenger arrives at a station by train he is besieged by the driver of the horse-cart, by the rikshavala, by the cabbie, and so on. He hires the vehicle in which he likes to be driven to his destination. It cannot be said with reason that those who ply different vehicles are guilty of competing with one another for the fare. After all it is their livelihood. But it makes no sense for the adherents of various faiths to vie with one another to take a man to the one and only destination that is God. There is a bridge across a river, consisting of a number of arches, each of them built to the same design and measurement. To the man sitting next to a particular arch it would appear to be bigger than the other arches. So is the case with people belonging to a particular religion. They feel that their religion alone is great and want others to join it. There is in fact no such need for anyone to leave the religion of his birth for another. That the beliefs and customs of the various religions are different cannot be a cause for complaint. Nor is there any need to make all of them similar. The important thing is for the followers of the various faiths to live in harmony with one another. The goal must be unity, not uniformity Guruvayoorappan Saranam !!! Dasan ---guruvayur , Udayabhanu Panickar <udhayabhanupanickar wrote:>> All religions are not same Dear Mr Sajan Sukumaran and others,> > The God may not be different. But the concept of God is different and that makes a lot of difference. Because of that reason aloe I cannot agree that all religions are same. The similarity is limited to just the aim/goal. Even that has much difference. Our spiritual science says it is moksham and that is the merger of jeevatman with paramatman. But the religions (especially christianity or islam) don't accept this. For us the ultimate aim is not reaching the heaven, but our aim is to reach paramatman and merge with Him or It and attain the Ultimate Bliss. They don't even accept that the paramatman is the same as jeevatman and that is why all are to be treated equally. Christianity or islam never accepts these things. They say everything is owned by God. We say every thing is paramatman. So in my opinion all religions are not same. The similarity I see is only in saying that we must do every thing righteously. But even the standard/bench marks for that righteousness are> very different. They say they can just kill any animal just for the pleasure of killing or for eating, we say killing another life form is wrong. They say only their way is the correct way. We say any path is OK. They so God sits on throne in the heaven. We say parmatman resides in every body and every thing. For them god is away from us. For us the paramatman is with in us, but we are not realizing it. We are in quest to find that entity within us, and they are searching for the god in heaven sitting in a throne with golden crown on his head. Then how can we say all are same. No they are not. This is the conclusion I came to. At one stage in my life I also used to think that it is all the same. But as I went deeper and deeper into it I realized that it is not the same. There are lots of differences. > > > > I am little busy with two three projects, if no one explained it in few days I shall try to explain Geetha 7/21, 7/22 and 7/23.> Thanks.> > > > > > > Sajan Sukumaran sajan_sukumaran wrote: Dear Sarojaji,> How can a true devotee get nervous when he hear about Jesus or Allah.> We are chanting daily Vishnusahasra Nama for world peace and we get panic> when we hear other names of God. Is it auspicious ? > We believe that there is only one God. HE has 1000 plus names. It is HE only> who gives blessings to HIS devotees through Jesus or Allah or any other form of> God. I am only a bottom level devotee and not qualified to discuss such deeper > subjects. As our KVJji said, I do respect all the religions. Whenever I come across> a church or mosque, I do pray to our God who is present there. I do not beleive that> the God there is a different one than our Bhagwan. People use to call him by different> names. If I am wrong please forgive me.> I request you or any other Gita experts in our group to give me a brief explanation of the> slokas of BG 7/21, 7/22 and 9/23.> > Regards and prayers.> Sajan> > --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Saroja Ramanujam sarojram18 wrote:> > Saroja Ramanujam sarojram18 [Guruvayur] (unknown)> guruvayur > Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 7:24 PM> > > Dear devortees,> > Some one has taken objection to my quoting a story about a christian.> I am not prejudiced against anyone or any religion since God is one. But I forwarded the story just to show that it is not necesaary that one should learn prayers and it is enough if you just recognise the Lord as some one close to you who know your innermost heart . it is just like any other srory and has no religious significance. You have to take at its face value and not attribute any motive to it.Good stories with morals are available in all religions. I told the story of devotee of pure and simple heart and if you want you an change the names to suit Hindufaith, no harm.Taj ke the moral and not the details such as the name and religion etc.> sarojaramanujam> > > > > > Dr. Saroja Ramanujam, M.A., Ph.D, Siromani in sanskrit.> > > www.freewebs. com/asrama3> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely,> > Udayabhanu Panickar> aum namahh Shivaaya> > OUR BODY IS THE ABODE OF THE JEEVATMAN, WHICH IS IN FACT THE PARABRAHMAN. LET US NOT MAKE IT A GRAVEYARD. LET US NOT EAT FLESH. LET US BE VEGETARIANS AND STAY HEALTHY. Animals are to be loved, not eaten. Eating flesh is good neither for the mind nor for the intellect, not even for the body. It distorts the basic character of human.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 3, 2008 Dear Satish-ji, An excellent article. Regards, S.N.Sastri On 9/3/08, k.v. satish <gokulamkvs wrote: Om Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya !!An elephant's trunk has the strength to uproot a tree as well as the finesse to pick up a needle. Ganesha's trunk symbolises the fact that the wise person has both immense strength and fine discrimination. Ganesha has large ears. The wise person hears all. He has four hands. In one hand he holds a lotus, the symbol of enlightenment. In the other hand he holds a hatchet. That is, the old karma, all your sanskars, the accumulated good and bad of past deeds get cut when enlightenment comes. The third hand holds laddus, the round sweet-meats. They are the rewards of a wise life. Ganesha is never shown eating the laddus. The wise man never partakes of the rewards of his deeds. He is not attached to them. The fourth hand is shown blessing the people. The wise man wishes the best for everyone. Ganesha has only one tusk; the other is shown broken. There is an interesting story as to how Ganesh happened to get an elephant's head and how one tusk got broken. The symbolism of the broken tusk is that the wise person is beyond duality. We tend to think that we end when our bodies end in the material world. We are the first person. All else is different. This duality is created by the mind which creates the ego to help us survive in this world. This 'me-other' duality is the screen keeping us from realising our real Self, which is beyond body and mind. Once we transcend this duality, we see the entire Universe as a single whole and we become aware of our true Selves. The single tusk of Ganesha symbolises this non-duality. Wisdom allows us to see all as one and ourselves an integral part of the whole. Ganesha is shown sitting with one foot on the ground and the other resting on his knee, above the ground. The wise person is of this earth, yet not entirely of this earth. Ganesha is shown seated on a rat. The reason for saying that Ganesha 'rides' on the rat is that the rat is among the greediest of all animals. It will keep nibbling at whatever is available, eating everything it can. Scientifically, too, the rat's teeth keep growing and it has to keep chewing on something to keep these within limits. The rat is a symbol of our senses, which are never satisfied. They crave new experiences, new tastes. Left uncontrolled, they keep growing forever. The wise person rides on his senses. He keeps them under control. Ganesha is often shown seated in front of a tray of sweets. In these images the rat is shown sitting in front of Ganesha, perhaps a bit to one side, looking up at him. The senses of the wise person are under his control and the rat dare not eat the sweets without the permission of Ganesha. Ganesha is the son of Shiva and Parvati, the God governing the life-force and the earth-mother. This symbolises the spirit and body of the wise person. Finally, the wise person has the dignity of an elephant. When we say " Aum Ganeshaya Namah " before starting anything what we are saying is that " In what we are about to do, let wisdom be our guide " . In a sense, Ganesha is our most powerful god, and he is usually remembered before starting any rituals for other deities. Om Namo Narayanaya !! -- Hara Hara Sankara Jaya Jaya Sankara S.N.Sastri Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 3, 2008 Dear all, RADHE KRISHNA! A nice interpretation of the philosophical import of the image of Sri Ganesa to whom we pay our obeisances everyday before starting anything. It requires quite a lot of spiritual knowledge and imagination to give an excellent exposition of this nature. There is a story that while Lord Ganesa was walking to His abode, His stomach fully packed with modakams offered by His devotees, He had a fall which was seen by the moongod who couldnt help laughing aloud. On account of this, the Lord pronounced a curse on moongod, that whoever sets his eyes on the Moon on Ganesh Chaturthi day, he will have to take the blame for something or the other, for which he was really not responsible. Is there any philosophical explanation for this story ? May Lord Ganesa shower His blessings on all devotees, with Shri. Satish in the forefront. Love KVG. k.v. satish wrote: Om Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya !! An elephant's trunk has the strength to uproot a tree as well as the finesse to pick up a needle. Ganesha's trunk symbolises the fact that the wise person has both immense strength and fine discrimination. Ganesha has large ears. The wise person hears all. He has four hands. In one hand he holds a lotus, the symbol of enlightenment. In the other hand he holds a hatchet. That is, the old karma, all your sanskars, the accumulated good and bad of past deeds get cut when enlightenment comes. The third hand holds laddus, the round sweet-meats. They are the rewards of a wise life. Ganesha is never shown eating the laddus. The wise man never partakes of the rewards of his deeds. He is not attached to them. The fourth hand is shown blessing the people. The wise man wishes the best for everyone. Ganesha has only one tusk; the other is shown broken. There is an interesting story as to how Ganesh happened to get an elephant's head and how one tusk got broken. The symbolism of the broken tusk is that the wise person is beyond duality. We tend to think that we end when our bodies end in the material world. We are the first person. All else is different. This duality is created by the mind which creates the ego to help us survive in this world. This 'me-other' duality is the screen keeping us from realising our real Self, which is beyond body and mind. Once we transcend this duality, we see the entire Universe as a single whole and we become aware of our true Selves. The single tusk of Ganesha symbolises this non-duality. Wisdom allows us to see all as one and ourselves an integral part of the whole. Ganesha is shown sitting with one foot on the ground and the other resting on his knee, above the ground. The wise person is of this earth, yet not entirely of this earth. Ganesha is shown seated on a rat. The reason for saying that Ganesha 'rides' on the rat is that the rat is among the greediest of all animals. It will keep nibbling at whatever is available, eating everything it can. Scientifically, too, the rat's teeth keep growing and it has to keep chewing on something to keep these within limits. The rat is a symbol of our senses, which are never satisfied. They crave new experiences, new tastes. Left uncontrolled, they keep growing forever. The wise person rides on his senses. He keeps them under control. Ganesha is often shown seated in front of a tray of sweets. In these images the rat is shown sitting in front of Ganesha, perhaps a bit to one side, looking up at him. The senses of the wise person are under his control and the rat dare not eat the sweets without the permission of Ganesha. Ganesha is the son of Shiva and Parvati, the God governing the life-force and the earth-mother. This symbolises the spirit and body of the wise person. Finally, the wise person has the dignity of an elephant. When we say "Aum Ganeshaya Namah" before starting anything what we are saying is that "In what we are about to do, let wisdom be our guide". In a sense, Ganesha is our most powerful god, and he is usually remembered before starting any rituals for other deities. Om Namo Narayanaya !! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 3, 2008 Dear and respected KVGji, I have read some where that moon and mind are alike. Like the waxing and waning of the moon, our mind also changes, or in other words our mind is fickle. Also it is said that moon can cause provocation of the mind. So may be after praying and meditating on Ganesha all day, it is not desirable to look at moon which may cause disturbance to our mind. Also it may symbolically telling us not to associate with people with vanity and pride. ( moon's vanity and pride was obvious in the act of ridiuculing Ganapathi Bhagavan). Does this story indirectly tells us that no one should be vain about one's physical beauty and charm and you can loose it any time? Lord Krishna saw the Chathurthi moon and he was accused of stealing syamanthaka gem. So it is said that reading the story of syamanthaka is an atonement for seeing moon who misbehaved to Lord Ganesha. Do you think Krishna's association with Sathraajit and his brother Prasenan who are some what greedy and possessive put Krishna in an undesirable predicament? Is Krishna showing us the effect of bad association and advicing us not to get into such a situation? KVGji, just a loud thinking. Respectful regards and prayers savitri .. On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:29 PM, K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna.kv wrote: Dear all,RADHE KRISHNA!A nice interpretation of the philosophical import of the image of Sri Ganesa to whom we pay our obeisances everyday before starting anything. It requires quite a lot of spiritual knowledge and imagination to give an excellent exposition of this nature. There is a story that while Lord Ganesa was walking to His abode, His stomach fully packed with modakams offered by His devotees, He had a fall which was seen by the moongod who couldnt help laughing aloud. On account of this, the Lord pronounced a curse on moongod, that whoever sets his eyes on the Moon on Ganesh Chaturthi day, he will have to take the blame for something or the other, for which he was really not responsible. Is there any philosophical explanation for this story ?May Lord Ganesa shower His blessings on all devotees, with Shri. Satish in the forefront.LoveKVG. k.v. satish wrote: Om Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya !!An elephant's trunk has the strength to uproot a tree as well as the finesse to pick up a needle. Ganesha's trunk symbolises the fact that the wise person has both immense strength and fine discrimination. Ganesha has large ears. The wise person hears all. He has four hands. In one hand he holds a lotus, the symbol of enlightenment. In the other hand he holds a hatchet. That is, the old karma, all your sanskars, the accumulated good and bad of past deeds get cut when enlightenment comes. The third hand holds laddus, the round sweet-meats. They are the rewards of a wise life. Ganesha is never shown eating the laddus. The wise man never partakes of the rewards of his deeds. He is not attached to them. The fourth hand is shown blessing the people. The wise man wishes the best for everyone. Ganesha has only one tusk; the other is shown broken. There is an interesting story as to how Ganesh happened to get an elephant's head and how one tusk got broken. The symbolism of the broken tusk is that the wise person is beyond duality. We tend to think that we end when our bodies end in the material world. We are the first person. All else is different. This duality is created by the mind which creates the ego to help us survive in this world. This 'me-other' duality is the screen keeping us from realising our real Self, which is beyond body and mind. Once we transcend this duality, we see the entire Universe as a single whole and we become aware of our true Selves. The single tusk of Ganesha symbolises this non-duality. Wisdom allows us to see all as one and ourselves an integral part of the whole. Ganesha is shown sitting with one foot on the ground and the other resting on his knee, above the ground. The wise person is of this earth, yet not entirely of this earth. Ganesha is shown seated on a rat. The reason for saying that Ganesha 'rides' on the rat is that the rat is among the greediest of all animals. It will keep nibbling at whatever is available, eating everything it can. Scientifically, too, the rat's teeth keep growing and it has to keep chewing on something to keep these within limits. The rat is a symbol of our senses, which are never satisfied. They crave new experiences, new tastes. Left uncontrolled, they keep growing forever. The wise person rides on his senses. He keeps them under control. Ganesha is often shown seated in front of a tray of sweets. In these images the rat is shown sitting in front of Ganesha, perhaps a bit to one side, looking up at him. The senses of the wise person are under his control and the rat dare not eat the sweets without the permission of Ganesha. Ganesha is the son of Shiva and Parvati, the God governing the life-force and the earth-mother. This symbolises the spirit and body of the wise person. Finally, the wise person has the dignity of an elephant. When we say " Aum Ganeshaya Namah " before starting anything what we are saying is that " In what we are about to do, let wisdom be our guide " . In a sense, Ganesha is our most powerful god, and he is usually remembered before starting any rituals for other deities. Om Namo Narayanaya !! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted September 5, 2008 Dear all, Radhe Krishna! That is a wonderful explanation of the Ganesa/Moon episode. I do not know whether any other explanation can be there. Regards KVG. Savitri Puram wrote: Dear and respected KVGji, I have read some where that moon and mind are alike. Like the waxing and waning of the moon, our mind also changes, or in other words our mind is fickle. Also it is said that moon can cause provocation of the mind. So may be after praying and meditating on Ganesha all day, it is not desirable to look at moon which may cause disturbance to our mind. Also it may symbolically telling us not to associate with people with vanity and pride. ( moon's vanity and pride was obvious in the act of ridiuculing Ganapathi Bhagavan). Does this story indirectly tells us that no one should be vain about one's physical beauty and charm and you can loose it any time? Lord Krishna saw the Chathurthi moon and he was accused of stealing syamanthaka gem. So it is said that reading the story of syamanthaka is an atonement for seeing moon who misbehaved to Lord Ganesha. Do you think Krishna's association with Sathraajit and his brother Prasenan who are some what greedy and possessive put Krishna in an undesirable predicament? Is Krishna showing us the effect of bad association and advicing us not to get into such a situation? KVGji, just a loud thinking. Respectful regards and prayers savitri .. On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:29 PM, K.V Gopalakrishna <gopalakrishna.kv > wrote: Dear all, RADHE KRISHNA! A nice interpretation of the philosophical import of the image of Sri Ganesa to whom we pay our obeisances everyday before starting anything. It requires quite a lot of spiritual knowledge and imagination to give an excellent exposition of this nature. There is a story that while Lord Ganesa was walking to His abode, His stomach fully packed with modakams offered by His devotees, He had a fall which was seen by the moongod who couldnt help laughing aloud. On account of this, the Lord pronounced a curse on moongod, that whoever sets his eyes on the Moon on Ganesh Chaturthi day, he will have to take the blame for something or the other, for which he was really not responsible. Is there any philosophical explanation for this story ? May Lord Ganesa shower His blessings on all devotees, with Shri. Satish in the forefront. Love KVG. k.v. satish wrote: Om Namo Bhagavathe Vasudevaya !! An elephant's trunk has the strength to uproot a tree as well as the finesse to pick up a needle. Ganesha's trunk symbolises the fact that the wise person has both immense strength and fine discrimination. Ganesha has large ears. The wise person hears all. He has four hands. In one hand he holds a lotus, the symbol of enlightenment. In the other hand he holds a hatchet. That is, the old karma, all your sanskars, the accumulated good and bad of past deeds get cut when enlightenment comes. The third hand holds laddus, the round sweet-meats. They are the rewards of a wise life. Ganesha is never shown eating the laddus. The wise man never partakes of the rewards of his deeds. He is not attached to them. The fourth hand is shown blessing the people. The wise man wishes the best for everyone. Ganesha has only one tusk; the other is shown broken. There is an interesting story as to how Ganesh happened to get an elephant's head and how one tusk got broken. The symbolism of the broken tusk is that the wise person is beyond duality. We tend to think that we end when our bodies end in the material world. We are the first person. All else is different. This duality is created by the mind which creates the ego to help us survive in this world. This 'me-other' duality is the screen keeping us from realising our real Self, which is beyond body and mind. Once we transcend this duality, we see the entire Universe as a single whole and we become aware of our true Selves. The single tusk of Ganesha symbolises this non-duality. Wisdom allows us to see all as one and ourselves an integral part of the whole. Ganesha is shown sitting with one foot on the ground and the other resting on his knee, above the ground. The wise person is of this earth, yet not entirely of this earth. Ganesha is shown seated on a rat. The reason for saying that Ganesha 'rides' on the rat is that the rat is among the greediest of all animals. It will keep nibbling at whatever is available, eating everything it can. Scientifically, too, the rat's teeth keep growing and it has to keep chewing on something to keep these within limits. The rat is a symbol of our senses, which are never satisfied. They crave new experiences, new tastes. Left uncontrolled, they keep growing forever. The wise person rides on his senses. He keeps them under control. Ganesha is often shown seated in front of a tray of sweets. In these images the rat is shown sitting in front of Ganesha, perhaps a bit to one side, looking up at him. The senses of the wise person are under his control and the rat dare not eat the sweets without the permission of Ganesha. Ganesha is the son of Shiva and Parvati, the God governing the life-force and the earth-mother. This symbolises the spirit and body of the wise person. Finally, the wise person has the dignity of an elephant. When we say "Aum Ganeshaya Namah" before starting anything what we are saying is that "In what we are about to do, let wisdom be our guide". In a sense, Ganesha is our most powerful god, and he is usually remembered before starting any rituals for other deities. Om Namo Narayanaya !! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2009 Dear Annapoorniji, Delighted to hear about Bhagavan's Karunyam! " Pavanapurapathe! Krishna! Kaarunyasindho! hruthwa nissheshathaapaan pradishathu paramaanandasandohalakshmeem " Regards and prayers Savitri On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Annapoorni Venkatesh <annapoornivenkatesh wrote: Dear Group Members,I want to make special request to the Group Members for my eldest son, Mast. Krishnan Iyer, who is appearing for his 10th Board Exam in March. Since he is a weak student and he had also failed in his 7th Standard and thereafter he was somehow just passing the years. This year, he got less mark in first Unit Test and in the Cemester exam, he had failed in four subjects. I was very very afraid about his studies. His first Preliminary Exam had to start from 10th December and since then I was chanting Narayaneeyam Dasakam 32 – Matsyapuranam – for fulfillment, 101 times I read in two days and also I had completed the whole Narayaneeyam book in two days. Again I had started reading the whole Narayaneeyam book 101 times. Yesterday, the first Preliminary Exam's result had come. To my surprise, he had passed in all subjects scoring more than 50%. Also I had completed 1001 times chanting Vishnusahasranamam within one-year. All the developments had happened after joining the Guruvayoor Group only. I am fully confident that by the grace of the group members' prayers, his studies will develop further better. Please pray for him.One more great incident happened in my office. One lady of our office was always fighting with all the staff of our office for unnecessary reasons since last 20 years and all of us have been taking so many troubles and sufferings because of her. I was always praying for her good nature. The next day of the completion of one crore "OM NAMO NARAYANAYA" she had to resign from this office for making dispute with the Boss. How Guruvayoorappan save us from her? With regards,(Annapoorni Venkatesh)Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 7, 2009 Na Vaasudeva bhakthanam asubham vidhyathe kwachit!Annapoorni Venkatesh <annapoornivenkateshguruvayur Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 2:23:34 AM[Guruvayur] (unknown) Dear Group Members, I want to make special request to the Group Members for my eldest son, Mast. Krishnan Iyer, who is appearing for his 10th Board Exam in March. Since he is a weak student and he had also failed in his 7th Standard and thereafter he was somehow just passing the years. This year, he got less mark in first Unit Test and in the Cemester exam, he had failed in four subjects. I was very very afraid about his studies. His first Preliminary Exam had to start from 10th December and since then I was chanting Narayaneeyam Dasakam 32 – Matsyapuranam – for fulfillment, 101 times I read in two days and also I had completed the whole Narayaneeyam book in two days. Again I had started reading the whole Narayaneeyam book 101 times. Yesterday, the first Preliminary Exam’s result had come. To my surprise, he had passed in all subjects scoring more than 50%. Also I had completed 1001 times chanting Vishnusahasranamam within one-year. All the developments had happened after joining the Guruvayoor Group only. I am fully confident that by the grace of the group members’ prayers, his studies will develop further better. Please pray for him. One more great incident happened in my office. One lady of our office was always fighting with all the staff of our office for unnecessary reasons since last 20 years and all of us have been taking so many troubles and sufferings because of her. I was always praying for her good nature. The next day of the completion of one crore “OM NAMO NARAYANAYA” she had to resign from this office for making dispute with the Boss. How Guruvayoorappan save us from her? With regards, (Annapoorni Venkatesh) Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2009 Dear Annapoorniji, With a great mother like you, I am very sure, your son will do just fine in his exams. For all your dedication, Krishna will definitely see him through. At the same time, we will also pray for his excellence... Krishna Hare Jaya! rekha--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Annapoorni Venkatesh <annapoornivenkatesh wrote: Annapoorni Venkatesh <annapoornivenkatesh[Guruvayur] (unknown)guruvayur Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 6:23 PM Dear Group Members,I want to make special request to the Group Members for my eldest son, Mast. Krishnan Iyer, who is appearing for his 10th Board Exam in March. Since he is a weak student and he had also failed in his 7th Standard and thereafter he was somehow just passing the years.This year, he got less mark in first Unit Test and in the Cemester exam, he had failed in four subjects. I was very very afraid about his studies. His first Preliminary Exam had to start from 10th December and since then I was chanting Narayaneeyam Dasakam 32 – Matsyapuranam – for fulfillment, 101 times I read in two days and also I had completed the whole Narayaneeyam book in two days. Again I had started reading the whole Narayaneeyam book 101 times. Yesterday, the first Preliminary Exam’s result had come. To my surprise, he had passed in all subjects scoring more than 50%. Also I had completed 1001 times chanting Vishnusahasranamam within one-year. All the developments had happened after joining the Guruvayoor Group only. I am fully confident that by the grace of the group members’ prayers, his studies will develop further better. Please pray for him.One more great incident happened in my office. One lady of our office was always fighting with all the staff of our office for unnecessary reasons since last 20 years and all of us have been taking so many troubles and sufferings because of her. I was always praying for her good nature. The next day of the completion of one crore “OM NAMO NARAYANAYA” she had to resign from this office for making dispute with the Boss. How Guruvayoorappan save us from her?With regards,(Annapoorni Venkatesh)Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2009 Dear Annapoorniji!It was only Guruvayoorappan who protected Ambarisha and gave riches to Kuchela. I see your experiences similar to these and how can He ignore you when you sing His glory. May you be able to continue your prayers and son be successful in his studies and life. With prayers,Chith PuramOn Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 4:23 AM, Annapoorni Venkatesh <annapoornivenkatesh wrote: Dear Group Members, I want to make special request to the Group Members for my eldest son, Mast. Krishnan Iyer, who is appearing for his 10th Board Exam in March. Since he is a weak student and he had also failed in his 7th Standard and thereafter he was somehow just passing the years. This year, he got less mark in first Unit Test and in the Cemester exam, he had failed in four subjects. I was very very afraid about his studies. His first Preliminary Exam had to start from 10th December and since then I was chanting Narayaneeyam Dasakam 32 – Matsyapuranam – for fulfillment, 101 times I read in two days and also I had completed the whole Narayaneeyam book in two days. Again I had started reading the whole Narayaneeyam book 101 times. Yesterday, the first Preliminary Exam's result had come. To my surprise, he had passed in all subjects scoring more than 50%. Also I had completed 1001 times chanting Vishnusahasranamam within one-year. All the developments had happened after joining the Guruvayoor Group only. I am fully confident that by the grace of the group members' prayers, his studies will develop further better. Please pray for him. One more great incident happened in my office. One lady of our office was always fighting with all the staff of our office for unnecessary reasons since last 20 years and all of us have been taking so many troubles and sufferings because of her. I was always praying for her good nature. The next day of the completion of one crore "OM NAMO NARAYANAYA" she had to resign from this office for making dispute with the Boss. How Guruvayoorappan save us from her? With regards, (Annapoorni Venkatesh) Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 12, 2009 You may chantSri Sudarsana Mahamantram,or Soundaryalahari sloka no.1. with total faith.It will work wonders.Shyamala dandakam is superb.Manjula Subramaniam <songs1980guruvayur Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 3:14:59 AM[Guruvayur] (unknown) Om Namo Narayana, I had just come out of one major problem and I got back my job me and my daugther are eating by Lord Krishna blessing. Now I have various enemities within the office to put me into trouble. I have lord with me and I request one and all to kindly pray for me and job. I have my daughter alone to live with and again am into problem I don't have that much of strength to accept and live. Am just requesting all the Guru and group member to pray for me in your daily prayers. If some one can suggest me of any slogam to chant daily in order to have evil breeze to stay away from me. I kow Lord will always show a better life and I have been seeing this throughout my life. En mann marndha namaskarankal , Hare Krishna Radhe Krishna. Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
