Karaka bhava nasha

[Coolgimmy 0]

Respected all astrologers

 

I have some queries on the above topic. I read in one of the website that Sun in Lagna is bad for marriage and one becomes Widower/Widow. But what would be the result if sun is in leo in lagna and its chara darakaraka as well. Does the karaka bhava nasha apply to naisargika darakaraka or only to charadarakaraka or both. What would be the aspect of benefics on lagna in this case.

 

Regards/

 

Coolgimmy

[sasisekaran_pti 0]

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear coolgimmy,

 

People born during those two hours during the entire

month will fall in the same lagna. So, should we infer

that all of them will have such debacle ?

 

sutras have to be read carefully. you may find a few

casually saying , " yeah, i too have seen than working

in many charts ". If you ask them to provide at least

five such real cases, they will open their empty hand.

 

sun in simha lagna can make one develop ego, since

sun is very comfortable in its house. The sign is fiery,

and rajasic. Karaka for lagna is sun. Hence such

a sun can brign in lot of authority in one's mind and

application. All these can bring in problems in

relationships.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[U.Sanjeeva Rao 0]

Karako Bhava Nasaya

what it means is the karaka planet is in the karaka bhava/Rasi it spoils the affairs associated with that bhava.

For example :

Mars is karaka for brothers.If Mars is in the 3rd house it effects the affairs of brothers .

Like this ,Sun is karaka for father.if it is in 9th it causes problems to father.

USR

[sasisekaran_pti 0]

OM GURUBHYO NAMAH

 

namaste

 

dear coolgimmy,

 

karaka's are of three types. they are chara karakas,

sthira karakas and naisargika karakas.

 

which karaka do you mean ?

 

also if you can put a practical case study, it would be

better for analysis.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[Coolgimmy 0]

Namaste Mr.Shashikaran and Mr.Rao,

 

I am somewhat clear about the concept of charakarakas. But I dont know the difference between naisargika karakas and sthira karakas. Are they both the same? I was watching the gem stone programme in one of the TV channels recentl,they specifically mentioned about Leo lagna having Jupiter in 5th and mentioned about this subject about wearing pokhraj as fifth house jupiter is not good for them. I dont know what category they were referring as such. I have one chart of a relative of mine and my sister's husband chart. The date of birth of my relative is 6,July,1945, Bhadrakh, 7.15PM, and the other chart is 3rd,Jan, 1962, 10.35PM, Mumbai. In the first case her husband died and in the second case he had lots of problems having progeny and had it very late using IVF. In the earlier case the charadarakaraka which venus is in her own house with exalted moon which is also the seventh lord. In the second case chara putrakaraka is in his own house in 6th which caused lots of problem having children.

 

With due regards/

 

Coolgimmy

[sasisekaran_pti 0]

OM GURUBHYO NAMAH

 

namaste

 

dear coolgimmy,

 

chara karakas are unique for every nativity.

 

naisargika karakas are permanent karakas, which are same for every

body. like sun as pitri karaka, moon as matri karaka etc.

 

sthira karakas are used in timing deaths which too are same for

every one.

 

1/12 the of the people born in a day will have almost all the

planets in the same place from lagna !. are their lives similar in every

respect ? karako bhava nasya will fail miserably in many cases.

 

the difficulty we face are mainly lack of charts of people born in the

very same hour.

 

interestingly, in the first case, moon - the seventh lord is associated

with chara darakaraka venus. this venus is placed second to "ul"

a maraka sthana and also the fourth lord in navamsa !.

 

the sixth lord is placed in seventh aspected by bhadaka mars placed

in 'ul'. many more aspects can be seen , but all these are postmortem.

when did she loose her partner ? let us see which planets played

roles and what connection they have with 'ul', seventh lord both in

rasi and navamsa.

 

in the second case, the lagna lord sun has won the battle and

had given him progeny though, firth lord is placed in sixth

a maraka house along with saturn the sixth lord. also fourth lord

mars is placed in fifth.

 

but in saptamsa ( lagna shifts here only if birth time is less by ten

minutes or more by 8 minutes from the given time ) sun the ninth lord is exalted

in the fifth and saturn the putra karaka is placed in the ninth house.

 

just out of curiosity , see if sun plays a dominant role in his

children's charts.

 

thanks for providing examples

 

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[deepa.bhandari 0]

Respected USRji and Sri Sasisekaran ji,

 

Its also important to relate - that Karaka in question will definitely bestow non-material significance while it destroys the associated living-significance.

 

In the above example given by USRji, Mars will not deny property to the native.

 

Sasisekaran ji, karako bhava nasya never fails miserably - but just as in the case of planets in marana karaka awastha, we assess the damage by looking at naisargika karakas too - IN THE SAME WAY - we need to assess the nasya as invited by Karako bhava nasya

 

Best Regards

Deepa

[Coolgimmy 0]

Namaste Shashikaranji,

 

Heres an another chart of my cousin, the daughter of the relative who lost her husband, about whom I have mentioned under this topic. She lost her husband on 6th Sept 1993. Her daughter DOB 10.12DEC.1963, 13.35PM, Bhadrakh. She also has Jupiter in lagna, sun in 9th house, Jupiter is pitrukaraka in her chart and thats in pisces. The relevant details of the child born to my sister has the following birth details.

28.March.2005, 4.30AM, Mumbai.

 

How are the sthirakarakas defined for different relatives?

 

Regards/

 

Coolgimmy

[U.Sanjeeva Rao 0]

Dear Coolgimmy,

 

I gave example and meaning from vedic texts as asked by you.

No fool thinks that 1/12 of the people are born in the same place ex Chennai Central ,at the same time say 7 AM ,in the entire world to have identical charts .Without proof generalised/repetitive comments are of no use.Better some identical charts are put forward by the astrologer and discussed to accept or reject his views.

This forum has not seen any two identical horoscopes so far.It may not see also.Better to see that astrological principles are applied to all the places in the world and not to a single place and same time.

Narrow thinking gives wrong predictions.

Now pl continue with your discussions.

with best wishes.

 

USR

[sasisekaran_pti 0]

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear smt.deepa bhandari

 

the examples were given by coolgimmy.

 

pl read my posting again. i have said that karaka bhava nasya

will fail miserably if all the 1/12 of the birth implying same

same lagna. 1/12 of a day is two hours... ofcourse you know this.

probably my wordings did not imply the intended meaning !

 

for example take two cases on june 11, 2008 between 1015 to 1230 hrs

one born in chennai and the other in delhi ( wide variation of lattitudes)

 

birth on june 11, 2008 for different lattitudes

chennai..... from 10 22 to 12 24 hrs .. lagna is simha. jup in 5th

delhi......... from 10 17 to 12 33 hrs .. lagna is simha. jup in 5th

 

will all these people have the same karaka bhava nasya effect ?

 

thanks for the interest shown

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[sasisekaran_pti 0]

OM GURUBHYO NAMAH

 

namaste

 

dear coolgimmy,

 

thanks for the additional info.

 

in the second case where i said 'sun' could have played a role

in giving the child has some substance. in the rasi of the

child's chart, sun has joined the ninth lord mercury and aspects

the ninth house. lagna lord saturn who happens to be the

putra karaka of its parentage, aspects sun.

 

in dwadasamsa meant for parents, sun is ninth lord and placed

in seventh aspecting lagna!.

 

few sthira karakas are...

 

stronger between sun and venus is the significator of father

stronger between moon and mars is the signification of mother

 

jupiter is the sthira darakarka.

 

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[Coolgimmy 0]

Namaste Shashikaranji,

 

I have some questions on the sthira karakas. I read in one of the sites that 64th Navamsha technique is used to predict certain events during transits pertaining to relations based on the sthirakarakas. The 4th house in the navamsha is the 64th navamsha for self. For every other relation do we see the 4th house from the sthirakaraka occupied in the navamsha or there is some other method as well?

 

Regards/

 

Coolgimmy

[sasisekaran_pti 0]

OM GURUBHYO NAMAH

 

namaste

 

dear coolgimmy,

 

What is 64th navamsa ? if the basic point is understood, one

can develop from it. sages have given sutras only to a few.

we have to develop further without diluting it in the name of

'research'.

 

the begining of the eigth house in rasi falls in the fourth house

in navamsa. once this basic is understood , you can apply this

and see if it works.

sthira karakas usage is well understood if you use dasas

meant for timing deaths.. like shoola.. etc.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[deepa.bhandari 0]

There are different methods to find the 64th navamsa for each planet in a native's horoscope. These are event-prediction techniques especially useful to assess when an expected damage might happen - Point of worst destruction. No dasha system is included herein.