sasisekaran_pti Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 OM GURUBHYO NAMAH NAMASTE dear all, kindly express your opinion if both the plus and negatives in a chart be explained by astrologers/learners/etc ? my personal feeling is all of us are grown up and are facing one or other problem in our life. a few of us who are practicing astrology either as an experienced or as a learner are trying to discusss the charts in an open forum. under such circumstances, what should be our approach towards the subject, discussion and the advice we get through such consultations ? pl suggest. may mother bless all regards sasisekaran chennai. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepa.bhandari Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 Respected sir, Greetings and Pranam, Did you read the way Khushwant Singh completely debunked astrology in his article on pg 15 in Hindustan Times? He has no consideration for his moral responsibility as a celebrity writer and without even delving into the karma-shreshta philosophy of our vedas he has mercilessly parodied the subject and the masters of the same. Only people who know and have felt for this science may actually equate it to something like the sensex. Just as no analyst can tell us exactly what position will nifty be tomorrow, in the same manner no astrologer can say with hundred percent conviction as to what will happen to a native tomorrow! The reason is not only the vast knowledge + intuition that one needs to decipher a chart but also because nothing exists in pre-recorded destiny - We cannot tell what will happen to a man tomorrow because we dont know what course of actions he might take. WHat I am getting at - is that conflicting views upon any subject mar faith which is fundamental to applying remedies. People like me who seek remedies want to have faith in the system. Contradictory verdicts will only harm our own subject and will render our own purpose ineffective. The solution as i see, is a seperate forum-category for viewers who want advice and a seperate one for beginners/professionals to debate/argue/analyse/exhaustively work towards any controversial issues. Not only will this be taken in good stead, it will also enrich knowledge seekers to formulate what they feel rightly towards. (The same debate in front of a lay man posing a query will just invite ridicule) Regards to you always sir (pls forgive me if i am crossing any limits. I have been personally disturbed with khushwant singh's article. Can he not see the truth? Ill fated creature is also blocking a path many might have taken) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sasisekaran_pti Posted May 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 om gurubhyo namah namaste dear deepa.bhandari, well said. you have not crossed limits. freedom of expression should be respected by all. you have rightly pointed out confilicting views have marred the faith in the system. look at astrology and health issues side by side. pl assume that a person goes to an astrologer and a doctor for health problems. astrologer has to look at the horoscope and find out the disease and its intensity without any help from the person. but can he do the same with a doctor ? can he tell the doctor, " sir , i wont tell you the disease, you will have to find it " just imagine that the disease is migrane.. how many tests will the doctor do and how he will zero in on the disease ? but dont forget the patient should never open his mouth about the disease during this process. why we treat astrology differently from that of others ? this is the only area where blind analysis is demanded and that too without an inch of error. is this justified ? once this is understood , people would understand the limitations of astrologers and learners. even if a separate forum is dedicated for this purpose, ego comes in and every one stick to their analysis. all are learning the subject from books and forums like this. but they fail to understand one's understanding of the subject is limited to their 'own' horoscope. also prediction seekers should take things with a pinch of salt. if they are going to make their emotions rule them, nothing can be done. your observations regarding kushvant singh is right. probably some astrologer would have predicted that he would be a fit for nothing when he was young. apart from the negatives, he is seen as a writer. we dont know how hard he would have worked for that. hence his anger towards the subject could be some personal experience. all of us in fact weigh and view things based on our personal experience. is it not ? thanks for writing. may mother bless all regards sasisekaran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astro_tech Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 OM GURUBHYO NAMAH NAMASTE dear all, kindly express your opinion if both the plus and negatives in a chart be explained by astrologers/learners/etc ? my personal feeling is all of us are grown up and are facing one or other problem in our life. a few of us who are practicing astrology either as an experienced or as a learner are trying to discusss the charts in an open forum. under such circumstances, what should be our approach towards the subject, discussion and the advice we get through such consultations ? pl suggest. may mother bless all regards sasisekaran chennai. Dear Shri Sasisekaran I hope this finds you in best of health and spirits. In my view, all the positives and negatives should be clearly explained to the querist so that he can have a clear understanding about his/her life. regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasisekaran_pti Posted May 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 om gurubhyo namah namaste dear shri.astro.tech we are fine with the grace of god and well wishers like you. what do you think about different predicitions given by astrologers/learners ? that seems to the biggest issue... to overcome that and do something productive , what do you think we people should do ? kindly post your views may mother bless all regards sasisekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astro_tech Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Dear Shri Sasisekaran May this finds you in best of health and spirits. Well, I am still at a learning stage and trying to have some appropriate understanding of astrological principles. Therefore, I don't think I am capable of discussing over the issue of different predictions given by different astrologers. regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vipin1 Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Astrology is a science which is there to help the humanity .Suppose if in a person's chart ,5th house ,its lord and Jupiter are weak and afflicted and in Shasthamsa chart ,combinations are not good ,one is bound to suffer from liver disease or diabetes.At birth time ,parents do not know what disease their children will suffer in life but if they get this astrological idea ,they can do remedies and reduce the impact of afflictions and weaknesses to a large extent . People resort to astrological measures only after suffering starts But initial preventive remedial measures are not taken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasisekaran_pti Posted May 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 om gurubhyo namah namaste dear shri.vipin quote: "Astrology is a science which is there to help the humanity " unquote. well said vipin. so it goes without saying both positive and negatives are to be put before the questionare. is it not ? may mother bless all regards sasisekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepa.bhandari Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Dear sir, What about looking at the chart/prashna and deciding upon the mental state of the person too? The only reason for not completely agreeing with your very logical and clear rationale is that many people get affected by negatives. It can put them into turmoil and devastate their present. I am a living example. A great astrologer has predicted I will lose my daughter after 2 years. I havent slept for six months at night. Astrologically, present dasha is favourable which ends in november. I am unable to enjoy my present. I cant look at a horoscope and tell a pregnant lady that she had a kulika kaal sarp yoga and her child will probably die at birth! HOWEVER< I WILL STRONGLY SUGGEST THE REMEDY FOR A NORMAL DELIVERY! Also, I am not in favour of astrologers giving sure-shot predictions. That way, we are telling people that whatever you do, this WILL happen. Thats wrong! There are remedies, prayers, good actions and guru kripa. Profound Regards! Deepa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasisekaran_pti Posted May 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 OM GURUBHYO NAMAH NAMASTE dear smt.deepa bhandari, i quote from my guruji's writings. i assume he would not mind quoting him as he is one of a very few straight forward and born for spreading the jyothish knowledge to all freely. quote : What is prasna? Prasna is a question asked by an individual who is desparate to get an answer for his pressing problem. That being the case when we start using Prasna to find the answer for puzzle raised by x/z without any urge to know the answer (as he knows it already)then the objective is not realised. Who wants to know the answer? It is the student in the jyotisha who wants to know the answer for solving a puzzle. The question then belongs to Jyotisha. Now who has to answer the question for the jyotisha? Only Ista can answer the question. Invoke the Ista by praying/chanting the Ista devatha mantra and then cast the chart. If you are using cowries then pick out a certain quanitity from the 108 heap after completing your japa. The cowries picked up should give you the lagna called as the Arudha picked by the Ista(manifestation). Analyse the chart from this reference point. Instead if you are using the usual udaya lagna technique then do the Kunda rectification (bringing the lagna degrees aligned after multiplying by 81)so as to fall in line with cosmic 'dhi' factor(lagna represents 'dhi'). Trace your Ista in the chart. Find out his connection with the Hora lord. Find out the connection of the Ista with the 6th level dasa lord. unquote: i am sure it would take atleast ten times to go through and understand every bit of if. i am not exaggerating. do you think ordinary astrologers/learners take so much care in seeing if the prasna has any relation to them to see if they are in tune with the questioner ? if a questioner always expect only ' rosy ' predictions , why then he or she should raise a doubtful question to someone he/she thinks would know his/her future through astrology. ? only kids always expect their parents to allow them to play always and not do homework......... sorry for an example as i told you earlier every one would answer any question based on their intelligence. obiviously intelligence varies.. why do we always go to the "so called " best doctor. if any astrologer/learner feels that he is one of the best in the field, i feel it is ignorance. vidya is bigger than oceans.. thank you for devoting sometime.. ayush calcultions are not that easy... just to predict the life of children from parents charts.. as you rightly said prayers can alter.. may mother bless all regards sasisekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepa.bhandari Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Dear Sir, Accept my regards. Arguments augment learning if the purpose is to learn and not win. Having said that, I humbly accept my lack of knowledge viz a viz prasna. As a matter of fact, reading the quoted paraphrase a hundred times also will not make me understand. Your example was correct as in the journey of soul I am a kid, and nowhere near evolved people as you. There is no definition of who an "ordinary" astrologer is. Fame is attained through destiny. All adjectives are always with respect to our perception. I am poor because people around me have more . You are "not an ordinary astrologer" because your wisdom far exceeds those around you. The astrologer who predicted my daughter's seperation from me did not mean to imply death. He has no connection with this forum and he is a guru in his very own exalted way. I have faith in him because he explained every detail of his technique. Rich people must experience a glimpse of poverty to empathise with the poor. Similarly many common and ordinary people may become devastated/miserable or depressed with negative forecasts. Its the duty of learned astrologers to sensitise themselves to misfortunes/failures of the native. If the purpose of astrology is to apply remedies and correction, what is the dire need for a verbal outburst anyway? There are alternates - such as warnings, regular remedies, stregthening the native's mind - rather than facing him/her with a gory picture. Sasisekaran ji, you are held in utmost respect by one and all on this forum. Nobody can doubt the strength in your wisdom or the confident and learned study of horoscopes. You might be at a "much much higher perspective" than most of us here and therefore accept apologies for any immature behaviour. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
U.Sanjeeva Rao Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 My dear Sasisekaran_pti, There seems to be no end to get replies till you are satisfied. You have not understood me properly.My intention is when a person suffering with a problem asks, the reply should be gentle and not harsh.Perhaps you may be correct as per your nature.With this haunting you,you will not be able to do justice to your predictions, because peace of mind is required for analysing and predicting the charts.So, I have decided to quit this forum forever and I wish you to forget this and devote yourself for the members peacefully. Pl remember that I am not responsible for this entire episode as it is started by you. wishing you all the best. with regards, USR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasisekaran_pti Posted May 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 OM GURUBHYO NAMAH NAMASTE dear smt deepa bhandari your writing expresses your thoughts fully. how come you got disturbed by the prediction when your thoughts are so clear, gentle and nice ? please chant maha miritunjiya sloka to come out of any fear about death.. pl medidate on Lord Shiva and chant the following after lighting a lamp " OM TRIYAMBAKAM YAJAMAHE SUGANDIM PUSHTI VARDANAM OORVARUKAMIVA BANDANAAN MRITYOR MOKSHEEYA MAAMRITAAT " i respect your guruji. pranams to HIM. but when negative predictions are put forth, people should always take them with a pinch of salt. yes i agree , verbal outbursts should be avoided. you have expressed your views and you have the right to do so. there was absolutely "no immaturity " may mother bless all regards sasisekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasisekaran_pti Posted May 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 OM GURUBHYO NAMAH NAMASTE dear shri.usr pl do not get upset and quit. it is you who advised readers to avoid reading my postings. i have never come across such an advise . anyway i am not hurt. my intention is only to get the feeling of the readers and i feel it is my privilege to seek opinion from members at large. pl understand many saints were haunted by so many thougths. otherwise their lives would not set an example to others. if you term my starting this thread is ' haunting ' i humbly accept it. i am not a saint but dont try to pass on the bug to me. may mother bless all regards sasisekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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