Remedial Measures

June 18, 2001

Hi,

I am new to the group. I have a question about

Remedial Measures, as this is the latest thing I am

studying. First to clarify, I am looking for practical

methods. Now, I read that, for example, Mars -- here

is what you do to strengthen and therefore appease an

afflicted Mars (yada yada). But then it states to

never strengten an afflicted Mars/planet because it

only increases its malefic powers but instead to use

the remedial measures to strengthen the benefic

planets. So which is it? (This is not about Mars, but

any planet.) Thanks in advance.

Tulasi devi dasi

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June 18, 2001

Hello Tulasi,

The most important point is that strengthening and appeasing are two

entirely different things. If a functional malefic is the harbinger of

difficulties then one would donate (give away in charity) the things

associated with that planet in order to appease his malefic tendencies. On

the other hand if a planet were a functional benefic then one would wish to

increase the benefic tendencies by wearing the gem or articles associated

with that planet or reciting the appropriate mantra. Doing these things will

help to strengthen the planet...giving up the things ruled by a planet is

appeasing or pacifying the planet, not strengthening it.

Regards, Wendy

> Hi,

>

> I am new to the group. I have a question about

> Remedial Measures, as this is the latest thing I am

> studying. First to clarify, I am looking for practical

> methods. Now, I read that, for example, Mars -- here

> is what you do to strengthen and therefore appease an

> afflicted Mars (yada yada). But then it states to

> never strengten an afflicted Mars/planet because it

> only increases its malefic powers but instead to use

> the remedial measures to strengthen the benefic

> planets. So which is it? (This is not about Mars, but

> any planet.) Thanks in advance.

>

> Tulasi devi dasi

June 19, 2001

Dear Narinder,

Just so there's no misunderstanding or confusion :-) I assume the mantras

you're referring to are mahamrtyunjaya, etc; and not the mantra specific to

the malefic planet.

Regards, Wendy

> Dear Tulasi,

>

> Before going for Astral remedies one should know the functional nature of

> planets if planets are benefic and afflicted that can be also strengthened

> by gems & yantra. One should check the proper weight, purity, metal and

wear

> gems/yantra only in elected auspicious time.

>

> Malefic planets can be appeased thru mantra, charities,

> charities(propitiations)are preferred as mantra recitation could usually

go

> wrong which can give adverse results.

>

> Hope this helps.

>

> With Best Wishes

>

> Narinder Juneja

> www.mywebastrologer.com

June 19, 2001

Dear Tulasi,

Before going for Astral remedies one should know the functional nature of

planets if planets are benefic and afflicted that can be also strengthened

by gems & yantra. One should check the proper weight, purity, metal and wear

gems/yantra only in elected auspicious time.

Malefic planets can be appeased thru mantra, charities,

charities(propitiations)are preferred as mantra recitation could usually go

wrong which can give adverse results.

Hope this helps.

With Best Wishes

Narinder Juneja

www.mywebastrologer.com

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Tulasi Devi <tulasidevi2000

Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:54 AM

[gjlist] Remedial Measures

> Hi,

>

> I am new to the group. I have a question about

> Remedial Measures, as this is the latest thing I am

> studying. First to clarify, I am looking for practical

> methods. Now, I read that, for example, Mars -- here

> is what you do to strengthen and therefore appease an

> afflicted Mars (yada yada). But then it states to

> never strengten an afflicted Mars/planet because it

> only increases its malefic powers but instead to use

> the remedial measures to strengthen the benefic

> planets. So which is it? (This is not about Mars, but

> any planet.) Thanks in advance.

>

> Tulasi devi dasi

>

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June 19, 2001

Jaya Jagannath

Dear Tulasi Devi,

Both approaches are present. A sure shot is to prescribe gem for lord of

lagna(health/prosperity) and lord of 9th(bhagya, fortune), or yog karak

graha.. For other approach one should be very knowledgeable and careful. In

certain cases, it may be prescribed but if you are beginner I would advise

you not to do so.. Also, when gems are concerened, they should be of very

high quality with no conclusions, spots, cracks etc...

Best work with fasts and mantras/prayers..

Regards,

Zoran

Tulasi Devi wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I am new to the group. I have a question about

> Remedial Measures, as this is the latest thing I am

> studying. First to clarify, I am looking for practical

> methods. Now, I read that, for example, Mars -- here

> is what you do to strengthen and therefore appease an

> afflicted Mars (yada yada). But then it states to

> never strengten an afflicted Mars/planet because it

> only increases its malefic powers but instead to use

> the remedial measures to strengthen the benefic

> planets. So which is it? (This is not about Mars, but

> any planet.) Thanks in advance.

>

> Tulasi devi dasi

>

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June 19, 2001

Dear Zoran,

There are in fact certain instances when one would be cautious of

prescribing a gem on the basis of it being lagnesh. Capricorn rising for

instance has 2nd house as moolatrikona sign. If Saturn were aspecting

vulnerable planets one would be very wary of prescribing B Sapphire. The

"functional" malefic/benefic status of the planets is the first

consideration.

I know lagnesh is considered to be a functional benefic (always), but I

personally am of the opinion that the moolatrikona sign must be considered

along with lagna.

Regards, Wendy

> Jaya Jagannath

> Dear Tulasi Devi,

> Both approaches are present. A sure shot is to prescribe gem for lord of

> lagna(health/prosperity) and lord of 9th(bhagya, fortune), or yog karak

> graha.. For other approach one should be very knowledgeable and careful.

In

> certain cases, it may be prescribed but if you are beginner I would advise

> you not to do so.. Also, when gems are concerened, they should be of very

> high quality with no conclusions, spots, cracks etc...

> Best work with fasts and mantras/prayers..

> Regards,

> Zoran

>

> Tulasi Devi wrote:

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am new to the group. I have a question about

> > Remedial Measures, as this is the latest thing I am

> > studying. First to clarify, I am looking for practical

> > methods. Now, I read that, for example, Mars -- here

> > is what you do to strengthen and therefore appease an

> > afflicted Mars (yada yada). But then it states to

> > never strengten an afflicted Mars/planet because it

> > only increases its malefic powers but instead to use

> > the remedial measures to strengthen the benefic

> > planets. So which is it? (This is not about Mars, but

> > any planet.) Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Tulasi devi dasi

> >

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June 19, 2001

Hello friends,

Tulasi has again raised an issue which has been debated for a long time. I

am not going into it. But since this issue has cropped up, I would offer my

views limited to daily usage of some mantras which if done regularly can

ward off many evils.

1. recitation of Navgraha stotra regularly.

2. recitation of hanuman chalisa.

3. recitation of vishnu sahastranaam.

4. recitation of mrityunjaya mantra.

regular recitation of these mantras can work wonders. Those who wish can try

it out and see for themselves. And if one starts doing it on a regular

basis, there is no need for any gem, kavach, talisman or things like that.

Manoj

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June 19, 2001

Hello everyone,

The safest option is to prescribe the gemstones of the lords of the 1st, 5th

& 9th houses. These lords should not be in dusthanas ( 6,8 & 12 houses).

Lagnesh, no doubt, is a functional benefic. What if he is in the 8th house ?

Or if the ninth lord is in the sixth? Or if the fifth lord is in the 12th ?

We have to understand that the Law of Karma is inexorable and if we

prescribe a wrong gem, we ourselves will be subject to this mighty Law.

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Wendy Vasicek <wenvas

Tuesday, June 19, 2001 4:50 PM

Re: [gjlist] Remedial Measures

> Dear Zoran,

>

> There are in fact certain instances when one would be cautious of

> prescribing a gem on the basis of it being lagnesh. Capricorn rising for

> instance has 2nd house as moolatrikona sign. If Saturn were aspecting

> vulnerable planets one would be very wary of prescribing B Sapphire. The

> "functional" malefic/benefic status of the planets is the first

> consideration.

>

> I know lagnesh is considered to be a functional benefic (always), but I

> personally am of the opinion that the moolatrikona sign must be considered

> along with lagna.

>

> Regards, Wendy

>

> > Jaya Jagannath

> > Dear Tulasi Devi,

> > Both approaches are present. A sure shot is to prescribe gem for lord

of

> > lagna(health/prosperity) and lord of 9th(bhagya, fortune), or yog karak

> > graha.. For other approach one should be very knowledgeable and careful.

> In

> > certain cases, it may be prescribed but if you are beginner I would

advise

> > you not to do so.. Also, when gems are concerened, they should be of

very

> > high quality with no conclusions, spots, cracks etc...

> > Best work with fasts and mantras/prayers..

> > Regards,

> > Zoran

> >

> > Tulasi Devi wrote:

> >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I am new to the group. I have a question about

> > > Remedial Measures, as this is the latest thing I am

> > > studying. First to clarify, I am looking for practical

> > > methods. Now, I read that, for example, Mars -- here

> > > is what you do to strengthen and therefore appease an

> > > afflicted Mars (yada yada). But then it states to

> > > never strengten an afflicted Mars/planet because it

> > > only increases its malefic powers but instead to use

> > > the remedial measures to strengthen the benefic

> > > planets. So which is it? (This is not about Mars, but

> > > any planet.) Thanks in advance.

> > >

> > > Tulasi devi dasi

> > >

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June 19, 2001

I agree wholeheartedly with you Manoj!

And let's not forget the power of the sacred Gayatri Mantra (which it has

been my great fortune to give utterance to recently). Also the Hari Krsna

Mantra, etc....

All of these have a wonderfully powerful effect on the subtle levels of

being...as does meditation, reiki and so forth. But these practices require

effort on the part of the native, and unless one's predisposed towards

spiritual practices (5th house) he will not likely be disciplined enough in

such practices to reap the benefits...so you've not really helped the native

at all.

Sages tell us that gems can uplift the planets with no more effort on our

part than simply wearing them (in the proper way). In this fast paced,

material world we live in today, people seem to have no time for anything.

If I had a native in front of me with a beneficial 5/9 house I would

recommend religious practices/mantras; If I had an obviously materialistic,

religiously hostile native before me I would recommend other remedies such

as gems, etc. We can't apply the same rule to all.

Best Regards, Wendy

> Hello friends,

>

> Tulasi has again raised an issue which has been debated for a long time. I

> am not going into it. But since this issue has cropped up, I would offer

my

> views limited to daily usage of some mantras which if done regularly can

> ward off many evils.

>

> 1. recitation of Navgraha stotra regularly.

> 2. recitation of hanuman chalisa.

> 3. recitation of vishnu sahastranaam.

> 4. recitation of mrityunjaya mantra.

>

> regular recitation of these mantras can work wonders. Those who wish can

try

> it out and see for themselves. And if one starts doing it on a regular

> basis, there is no need for any gem, kavach, talisman or things like that.

>

> Manoj

>

June 19, 2001

.......Important to consider too is that if a native has a weak or afflicted

5/9 lord (denoting little success in spiritual practices) then by

strengthening such lords by way of (some) remedial measures, it would

possibly lead the native towards more spiritual practices.......

Wendy

June 19, 2001

Namaste jyotisha friends,

You are all right in your views. That is why I said that one should be quite

cautious when prescribing gems. Also such gems are too expensive even for the

people living in high-standard countries. Let's say for example that good yellow

sapphire costs at first hand dealer around 2500 US$, while it belongs to a

cheaper stone. That is why, one has to work a lot to afford a stone.. So he/she

inputs their own work and effort in the form of money earned. Other type of

stones have a role of jewlery only. I personally tend to advice mantras, which

is in my own part with the strong Ortodox Christian tradition very complicated.

Consequently, most often I advise fasting on the days ruled by certain grahas.

For example in case of any marital disourd fasting on days ruled by lord of

Upapada Lagna brings immediate releif and wanders happen. In my own experience

of advicing fast in the course of two previous years, many people felt

tremendous benefit by fasting. So it is somehow, most acceptable to general

population.

Best wishes

Zoran

ZODIAC wrote:

> Hello everyone,

>

> The safest option is to prescribe the gemstones of the lords of the 1st, 5th

> & 9th houses. These lords should not be in dusthanas ( 6,8 & 12 houses).

>

> Lagnesh, no doubt, is a functional benefic. What if he is in the 8th house ?

> Or if the ninth lord is in the sixth? Or if the fifth lord is in the 12th ?

>

> We have to understand that the Law of Karma is inexorable and if we

> prescribe a wrong gem, we ourselves will be subject to this mighty Law.

>

> G Kumar

> ------------------

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> <gjlist>

> Tuesday, June 19, 2001 4:50 PM

> Re: [gjlist] Remedial Measures

>

> > Dear Zoran,

> >

> > There are in fact certain instances when one would be cautious of

> > prescribing a gem on the basis of it being lagnesh. Capricorn rising for

> > instance has 2nd house as moolatrikona sign. If Saturn were aspecting

> > vulnerable planets one would be very wary of prescribing B Sapphire. The

> > "functional" malefic/benefic status of the planets is the first

> > consideration.

> >

> > I know lagnesh is considered to be a functional benefic (always), but I

> > personally am of the opinion that the moolatrikona sign must be considered

> > along with lagna.

> >

> > Regards, Wendy

> >

> > > Jaya Jagannath

> > > Dear Tulasi Devi,

> > > Both approaches are present. A sure shot is to prescribe gem for lord

> of

> > > lagna(health/prosperity) and lord of 9th(bhagya, fortune), or yog karak

> > > graha.. For other approach one should be very knowledgeable and careful.

> > In

> > > certain cases, it may be prescribed but if you are beginner I would

> advise

> > > you not to do so.. Also, when gems are concerened, they should be of

> very

> > > high quality with no conclusions, spots, cracks etc...

> > > Best work with fasts and mantras/prayers..

> > > Regards,

> > > Zoran

> > >

> > > Tulasi Devi wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I am new to the group. I have a question about

> > > > Remedial Measures, as this is the latest thing I am

> > > > studying. First to clarify, I am looking for practical

> > > > methods. Now, I read that, for example, Mars -- here

> > > > is what you do to strengthen and therefore appease an

> > > > afflicted Mars (yada yada). But then it states to

> > > > never strengten an afflicted Mars/planet because it

> > > > only increases its malefic powers but instead to use

> > > > the remedial measures to strengthen the benefic

> > > > planets. So which is it? (This is not about Mars, but

> > > > any planet.) Thanks in advance.

> > > >

> > > > Tulasi devi dasi

> > > >

> > > > Get personalized email addresses from Mail - only $35

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June 19, 2001

Planetary mantras: http://www.p-g-a.org/mantra.html

Hello Tulasi Devi Dasi,

That name, Tulasi, comes from an old Vedic story, about how a great

eternal associate of Vishnu has been essentially placed into a plant

form here on Earth, the Tulasi plant, and who's leaves fall upon the

Salagram Sila stone (a representation of Vishnu on Earth), and thus here

too she is serving the lord, providing solace to Him here, and so,

offerings to Krishna are not accepted unless Tulasi leaves are present

(so to speak). So in Krishna temples in India, we find Tulasi leaves are

placed on the food offered to Krishna on the altar. The prasadam or

foods that come off such Krishna altars are often covered in fresh

Tulasi leaves. Tulasi is an amazing plant on the scientific external

platform as well, with many fine properties. It is in fact, the plant on

Earth which gives off the most oxygen of any plant weighed against it's

size etc. So it's a potent plant on the material level as well. It is

said that walking clockwise around a Tulasi plant in the proper mood

removes all sin. So your name is a remedial measure in a sense!

Remedial Measures means taking steps to alleviate something we don't

desire to experience. This is a complex subject because of the

complexity of the components of this endevour, which includes:

the identity of the seer or native, who wishes to alleviate something

the thing wishing to be improved or changed

the motivation for such a desire

the nature or the identity of the cause of the negative

the negative itself, and it's necessity in their life already

(or it's place in their lesson set)

the practice, technique or structure of the remedial measure

and even more things...

So there are many factors to examine and question here.

In some cases of consciousness, the meer thought of "remedial measure"

becomes difficult to believe, such as in the case of the absolutist

vision of the necessity and perfection of karma itself, which is

arguably the highest vision to hold, in which case, no such measure are

desired or believed in at all.

Perhaps better than that is when the seer believes that the penultimate

remedial measure is either complete disassociation with the cause of the

connection of the seer to the karma, as in the case of those

philosophically tracking with Adi Sankaracarya.

Similar to that is how it is with those tracking with Vaisnava thought

Acaryas, who recommend seeing all such negative karmas as perfect mercy

for our detachment from matter, and who thus use only attachment to

Vishnu Bhakti as the one and only necessary remedial measure, and thus,

use elements of such Bhakti as their only measure, doing more sadhana,

doing more praying, etc., in all negative cases in life. This is why

advanced Vaisnavas for example hardly care about their charts or dashas

etc., except in a whimsical passing fashion like a passtime for fun or

passing interest.

Then there are those who are seeing on the platform of Karma Khanda, or

Mimansha, and other karmic operating philosophical views, and these

persons (which include most Westerners) have so many options to look

into. This is where we usually discuss on this list- from the level of

"it's my karma, and I can change it myself through thought, action,

puja, yoga, etc".

Many of the advanced Jyotishis on this list and elsewhere are halfway or

more involved in one of the two first mentioned philosophical paths,

knowingly or unknowingly, and thus we sometimes see that responses from

them are mixed between karmic corrective methods, and the methods coming

from their higher philosophical views, which are growing in them.

At the time of death, there isn't much time left to arrange for yagyas.

So, many materially based measures are dependent upon a certain set of

material conditions in order to be started or carried out. Thus, they

are by definition of the material plane moreso than say prayer.

The ultimate measure is an attitude adjustment. Indeed, a Saint is a

person who primarily has a different attitude and belief about life than

a regular person. It's not so much what they do, puja, yagya, etc., so

much as how they think and feel spontaneously, all the time. Saints have

no problem with negativities. This is one of their hallmarks. They are

"surrendered" to Divine Will. Whereas, the normal person, is not, and

trys to fix perceived negativities in various ways.

So the ultimate remedial measure is the one that removes us from

interest in the negativities at all.

For the attached person, remedial measures are the most interesting.

Generally, a remedial measure consists of appeasing a Planetary God who

is currently poised in this life to do negative harm to the positive

material life of the native. So, some authorized puja or yagya is

performed in honorific fashion of the God involved, and the native is

the beneficiary. It's basically like filling out a "mercy request

application" and submitting it. That's what a yagya essentially is. The

priests are helping you to "fill in the form" in the proper way. In this

sense, the puja or yagya is the "proper form" to fill out, "the one that

will be heard" in the heavens.

However, karma is very balanced to begin with. So, if you try to change

one side, it won't work unless you change the other. For example, you

cannot kill your neighbors and expect them to like you. So, if you want

their forgiveness for past agressions, it's best to stop agressing. So

with our karma, if we wish to remove the

RE-ACTION

we have to also remove the original cause or

ACTION

that causes the reaction.

This is generally the case.

If one just removes the ACTION, then the RE-action will also dissipate

in due order.

So therefore the most thoughtful of all persons will recommend always

soul searching for your inner connection to the action itself, and then

removing that with means of inner work, one then removes the re-action

as well. This is going on in all of us always. When we try to excercise

for example, we are hoping for a certain result, but really what we're

doing is trying to remove the action or element in us of laziness, and

as laziness goes on every cell level in us, then our body visibly

transforms externally, and we achieve the result our attachment wants.

But what really happened was through tapasya and austerity (the

excercise) we changed our inner nature on the bodily level, and thus we

got the fruit of a transformed body.

On a very subtle level, if one feels that a planet overall is harming

them repeatedly throughout life, they may wish to apply for a "break"

from that God, through Yagya. Japa is also a yagya, as are many other

practices one can do for free, for oneself.

Yesterday I received an email from Richard Brown, head of a Gemological

Study group here on Earth, who is also a Gem Dealer. Richard is always

pushing the science of Jyotish forward, especially in relation to Gems

and these types of matters in general. So he has published on his

website a listing of the 108 names of each planet. One can chant the

names of the planet(s) they wish to appease. I personally think this is

a very HIGH way of remedial measure, with maximum potent effect. Sound

is very powerful and subtle. Chanting the names of a planet with whom

you are currently misaligned is certainly the quickest way to reallign

oneself properly with that division of Gods energies.

I noticed for example that one of Ketu's names is "Bhakta Rakshaka".

This stood out to me as it was the name of my Gurudev as well, or his

was Bhakti Rakshaka, or the protector of Bhakti. Bhakta Rakshaka means

the "Guardian of the devoted". So, Ketu protects the devoted. If someone

is misaligned with Ketu, they therefore may not be very well aligned

with protection of the devoted persons. They may not therefore properly

understand devotion. Chanting this mantra will help them to accept

devotion and devotees as something needing protection. This will help

their heart for example.

I highly believe mantra is the most powerful of practices. It is

practical, and can be started even with a hardened heart. It is not

something you have to be qualified to do, you just have to do it. It's

free, Vedic without question, harmless without question, and if done

sincerely, possibly the most fruitful of all attempts.

Krishna also says that if we devote ourselvs to getting fruits from the

Gods, like removal of bad karma, we will quickly get results. He implies

this is done as a part of nature to increase one's faith and invovlement

in the process of reciprocating with Gods in general but that the

ultimate problem and need of the soul is a little higher than that

preoccupation. After all, generally speaking, we are, with "remedials"

aiming to fix something in one life, and not trying to fix the whole

process of our involvement with matter, which is spoken of in Gita and

Bhagavatam as something higher than pursuing "fixing this one life".

I personally am not able to sort out all these things so well

personally. It's a huge mess, this science of life. Wow. However, the

basic inner attitude of service, surrender, and detachment from specific

desires is I find always helpful in tolerating life in a more positive

way.

For a person on an expansive karmic path, that is, one who is seeking

still fulfillment of desires in this world, there is not choice but to

make deals with Gods, through remedials, and try to move on towards

one's goal. The retractive or exiting path is different, in which case

one seeks to improve their tolerance of what is, rather than trying to

change it. This is why we hear of leppers who "put the worms back into

their wounds when they fall out onto the ground". When we hear of such

things, we know we are dealing with a person who is of the mind that

they are leaving this plane. They have little interest left in

maintaining body and soul together for some material aim.

Hinduism can be very confusing in this way, as there are teachers and

preachers on many different levels of realization.

Therefore, before proceeding with such a discussion, it is good to nail

down a few things, namely, what do you believe, and what is your honest

hope and aim. These will at least establish which field, plane, or level

you are operating on truly, and thus you can make real progress forward

from that point honestly, and will more likely find your way to the

practices which really work for where you're really at.

Like if one is out and out materialistically aiming, and really doesn't

have interest or time for liberation, surrender, devotion, etc., then

yagyas and pujas you pay others to do on your behalf may be the best

option, along with Gems, etc. These are things that don't necessarily

require a change of heart, but which may align you in a subtly

mechanistic way with higher forces. Yogic practices were supposedly used

by "Rakshashas" in scriptures to achieve their aims, though they were

opposed to Vishnu's dominion in general. So the Vedas seem to imply that

even evil person can use yoga, yagya, yantra, tantra, etc., in order to

improve their experience in the material energy. I believe this is so,

knowing God to be such an unbiased providor of whatever we desire.

So by applying in a sincere way, usually results can be had. Even those

who are essentially materialistic will be "heard" if they perform such

applications for alleviation of negatives. This is Krishnas implied

promise. So go for it, by whatever means makes the most sense to you.

Know that Yagya is essentially formed by proper mantra chanting. So

again, mantra chanting is such a potent force. Then with that use the

directions, the days of the week, the hours of the day, and so on, all

related to the planet(s) in question. Articles and artifacts, mantras,

directions, times, and so on, are what make up yagya.

If you were going to "get a loan" from a bank, you would "dress up"

before going to the bank, in order to "show them you're worthy" of the

loan, and able to "handle repayment". Yagya is like that- you dress up,

you gather the articles of your application, things that prove you are

ready for the change or loan, and then you make your application, and

hope for the right result. If it is not granted, you try again later

after re-gathering the same things, but maybe hopefully in a little

better way this time around. So you try, try, try again, to get what you want.

Or you back off and try to go with the flow of your karma without

changing it. Yoga is more so this approach in general. Yoga is more a

process of working with, rather than changing.

Since most of us are mixed between karmic and devotional paths and

methods indeed, so therefore some of each may seem to be the right mix

to propel us forward nicely, ie, a gem may help with things which help

with devotion, which helps with the other, and thus they ying yang

together in an upward spiral. Eventually, some practices are left off in

ones life as it improves, and others are taken up. Progressive and

positive spiritual movement forward will be the result of the right mix.

Our mood should improve. That is the ultimate aim. The ultimate aim is

"happiness at all times" or at least a peacefulness filling the

consciousness, despite all circumstances.

I hope I am somewhat correct in this forward attempt at explaining this

subject according to my learning thus far. I am humble that I may need

correction on many levels.

peace

das goravani

June 19, 2001

Hello Wendy,

Thank you. This has cleared up quite a bit.

I am doing a chart for a lady and she has been going

through some very hard times. Currently she is having

big money problems, says things are breaking around

the house that she must replace, and even had an

injury that requires surgery. She is considering

leaving her job of almost 30 years because it is not

paying enough but will loose all her benefits if she

does. I have my opinions on all this but would love to

hear yours, or anyone elses, IF you have the time.

However, more importantly, she has been asking and

asking me for remedial measures. I've always had an

interest in that area of astro, but never had enough

books on that topic to study it. I have one book, and

it is somewhat helpful but not enough. Anyway, if

anyone would like to take a peek at her chart and

suggest remedial measures (that are not gems): she was

born 10/13/51 in Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, at 8:00

P.M., not during daylight savings time.

Thanks to anyone who wants to try.

Tulasi

>>>Hello Tulasi,

The most important point is that strengthening and

appeasing are two

entirely different things. If a functional malefic is

the harbinger of

difficulties then one would donate (give away in

charity) the things

associated with that planet in order to appease his

malefic tendencies.

On

the other hand if a planet were a functional benefic

then one would

wish to

increase the benefic tendencies by wearing the gem or

articles

associated

with that planet or reciting the appropriate mantra.

Doing these things

will

help to strengthen the planet...giving up the things

ruled by a planet

is

appeasing or pacifying the planet, not strengthening

it.

Regards, Wendy

> Hi,

>

> I am new to the group. I have a question about

> Remedial Measures, as this is the latest thing I am

> studying. First to clarify, I am looking for

practical

> methods. Now, I read that, for example, Mars -- here

> is what you do to strengthen and therefore appease

an

> afflicted Mars (yada yada). But then it states to

> never strengten an afflicted Mars/planet because it

> only increases its malefic powers but instead to use

> the remedial measures to strengthen the benefic

> planets. So which is it? (This is not about Mars,

but

> any planet.) Thanks in advance.

>

> Tulasi devi dasi

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hi wendy

regarding your statements below.

according to SA saturn is the Most Benefic Planet for scorpio lagna

'would you recommend someone wearing sapphire then, if saturn were well

situated in the chart and not harming anything?

or even if?

this is confusing to me, as saturn seems a malefic, especially for lagnas

that it does not become raj yoga producing planet (ie: libra).

thanks

marcia

At 12:41 PM 6/19/01 +0800, you wrote:

>Hello Tulasi,

>

>The most important point is that strengthening and appeasing are two

>entirely different things. If a functional malefic is the harbinger of

>difficulties then one would donate (give away in charity) the things

>associated with that planet in order to appease his malefic tendencies. On

>the other hand if a planet were a functional benefic then one would wish to

>increase the benefic tendencies by wearing the gem or articles associated

>with that planet or reciting the appropriate mantra. Doing these things will

>help to strengthen the planet...giving up the things ruled by a planet is

>appeasing or pacifying the planet, not strengthening it.

>

>Regards, Wendy

>

June 19, 2001

dear wendy

so are you saying that you look to the houses themselves to check on the

nature of the individual (good 5H = spiritually inclined individual) and

the lords to check the potential success/failure of what the houses

represent (strong unafflicted 5H lord to denote successful spiritual practice)?

thanks

marcia

At 08:45 PM 6/19/01 +0800, you wrote:

>......Important to consider too is that if a native has a weak or afflicted

>5/9 lord (denoting little success in spiritual practices) then by

>strengthening such lords by way of (some) remedial measures, it would

>possibly lead the native towards more spiritual practices.......

>

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>

> I am new to the group. I have a question about

> Remedial Measures, as this is the latest thing I am

> studying. First to clarify, I am looking for

> practical

> methods. Now, I read that, for example, Mars -- here

> is what you do to strengthen and therefore appease

> an

> afflicted Mars (yada yada). But then it states to

> never strengten an afflicted Mars/planet because it

> only increases its malefic powers but instead to use

> the remedial measures to strengthen the benefic

> planets. So which is it? (This is not about Mars,

> but

> any planet.) Thanks in advance.

>

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Dear Tulasi Devi,

as far as I know, afflicted or weak BENEFICS should be strangthened (by

wearing certain gems etc.), and Malefics should NOT be strangthened but

APPEASED, by CHANTING MANTRAS performing sacrifices on that planet's weekday

and so on.

This is logical, if you strengthen something which is doing you harm, then

it can do even more harm.

Love,

Lilina

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>Remedial Measures, as this is the latest thing I am

>studying. First to clarify, I am looking for practical

>methods. Now, I read that, for example, Mars -- here

>is what you do to strengthen and therefore appease an

>afflicted Mars (yada yada). But then it states to

>never strengten an afflicted Mars/planet because it

>only increases its malefic powers but instead to use

>the remedial measures to strengthen the benefic

>planets. So which is it? (This is not about Mars, but

>any planet.) Thanks in advance.

>

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June 19, 2001

Dear Marcia,

I have to say I don't know a great deal about the SA. I did watch their list

(from the wings) for a little while but never really had enough time to

follow it fully. Of course for Scorpio Asc. Saturn's moolatrikona is 4th hse

of happiness & contentment and it's always good for that lord to be strong.

Scripture also states that a malefic owning a kendra has the power to do

good. However further comment suggests that this applies only if the malefic

simultaneously owns a trine.

My judgement in a nutshell is that, if weak or afflicted, it would be

advantageous to strengthen 4th lord Saturn. Due consideration should be

given though to any planets aspected by Saturn...as you know 4th hse also

governs "endings, close of life, graveside etc" and Saturn is the natural

significator of these things...so caution!!

Regards, Wendy

> hi wendy

> regarding your statements below.

> according to SA saturn is the Most Benefic Planet for scorpio lagna

> 'would you recommend someone wearing sapphire then, if saturn were well

> situated in the chart and not harming anything?

> or even if?

> this is confusing to me, as saturn seems a malefic, especially for lagnas

> that it does not become raj yoga producing planet (ie: libra).

> thanks

> marcia

June 19, 2001

Basically this is so Marcia, but each chart is unique as you know...what is

true for one may not be true for another...all things related to these

houses must be considered individually, i.e. 5th lord's dispositor, planet's

in 5th house, aspects, nakshatra, etc. People readily see the 5th as the

house of "Children", but it also governs "Inclinations of the mind

(intelligence), Spiritual practices, Mantras, Yantras, Amulets, etc". For

success in these things, 5th house needs to be strong.

Regards, Wendy

> dear wendy

> so are you saying that you look to the houses themselves to check on the

> nature of the individual (good 5H = spiritually inclined individual) and

> the lords to check the potential success/failure of what the houses

> represent (strong unafflicted 5H lord to denote successful spiritual

practice)?

> thanks

> marcia

June 19, 2001

Marcia,

Can I add here also that it may be that 5th lord is not favourably placed or

with good strength, but the karaka for 5th (Jupiter) is strong and

favourably placed...in which case, even though 5th house itself may not

suggest it, the native can have success in 5th house matters. The house

itself must be considered of course but it's karaka also has a big say.

Wendy

June 19, 2001

Hello Marcia,

How are you doing ? Wendy was right. Normally I dont prescribe or use gems

in my scheme of things. My scheme of things rest solely on what Parashara

has advised in the "Shanti Adhyay" of Brihat Parashar Hora Shastra and there

he says only three things can ameliorate one's sufferings and these are

"Jap", "Tap" and "Daan". Saturn is Krishna devotee. So in case of Saturn, it

is advisable to do Pooja for Lord Krishna.

best regards,

Manoj

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>Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:57:06 -0700

>

>hi wendy

>regarding your statements below.

>according to SA saturn is the Most Benefic Planet for scorpio lagna

>'would you recommend someone wearing sapphire then, if saturn were well

>situated in the chart and not harming anything?

>or even if?

>this is confusing to me, as saturn seems a malefic, especially for lagnas

>that it does not become raj yoga producing planet (ie: libra).

>thanks

>marcia

>

>At 12:41 PM 6/19/01 +0800, you wrote:

> >Hello Tulasi,

> >

> >The most important point is that strengthening and appeasing are two

> >entirely different things. If a functional malefic is the harbinger of

> >difficulties then one would donate (give away in charity) the things

> >associated with that planet in order to appease his malefic tendencies.

>On

> >the other hand if a planet were a functional benefic then one would wish

>to

> >increase the benefic tendencies by wearing the gem or articles associated

> >with that planet or reciting the appropriate mantra. Doing these things

>will

> >help to strengthen the planet...giving up the things ruled by a planet is

> >appeasing or pacifying the planet, not strengthening it.

> >

> >Regards, Wendy

> >

>

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June 19, 2001

Hello Tulasi,

Provided I have the data correct, this native is currently in a vidasa

(pratyantar dasa) of Asc lord Venus. Venus is in 4th house of home/home

comforts and is conjunct 12th lord of expenses (Mars)...also, as you stated

is the case, Mars can result in injuries...particularly as transiting Mars

is aspecting Ascendant. The question mark hovering over her job (career) is

evident with 10th lord Saturn transiting Ascendant, aspected by 12th lord

Mars. Further to this is the influence of Ketu on vidasa lord VE. Ketu

signifies accidental incidents/unexpected, unusual happenings etc. Ketu is

currently transiting 8th house...and she's in KE sookshmantar dasa.

So a few things need to be addressed: 1) Mars needs to be propitiated, i.e.

fasting on Tuesdays and giving away in charity the things connected with

Mars, 2) Ketu also needs pacifying being in very tight conjunction with VE

and 3) Ascendant lord Venus himself needs assistance...this is singularly

the most important issue. For this native, with 5/9 lords conjunct 4th lord

Sun in 5th I would suggest the Venus Mantra:

"hima-kunda mrnalabham daityanam paramam gurum

sarva-sastra-pravaktaram bhargavam pranamamy aham"

Chanting should begin on Friday and the mantra should be chanted 16,000

times. Usually one recites 108 times per day (one mala) and continues every

day (without a break) until the prescribed number have been completed.

Having said all that I see that her VE vidasa is almost at an end (finishes

June 22)...so some improvement on the homefront is likely. Also Sun vidasa

would be a favourable time for success with mantras etc....

Regards, Wendy

> Hello Wendy,

>

> Thank you. This has cleared up quite a bit.

>

> I am doing a chart for a lady and she has been going

> through some very hard times. Currently she is having

> big money problems, says things are breaking around

> the house that she must replace, and even had an

> injury that requires surgery. She is considering

> leaving her job of almost 30 years because it is not

> paying enough but will loose all her benefits if she

> does. I have my opinions on all this but would love to

> hear yours, or anyone elses, IF you have the time.

>

> However, more importantly, she has been asking and

> asking me for remedial measures. I've always had an

> interest in that area of astro, but never had enough

> books on that topic to study it. I have one book, and

> it is somewhat helpful but not enough. Anyway, if

> anyone would like to take a peek at her chart and

> suggest remedial measures (that are not gems): she was

> born 10/13/51 in Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, at 8:00

> P.M., not during daylight savings time.

>

> Thanks to anyone who wants to try.

>

> Tulasi

June 20, 2001

Hello wendy & list members,

Adoption of astral remedial measures depens on nativity, planet Jupiter,

ascendant lord and trend of the coming periods. If these are severely

afflicted and coming period is also not supportive then the native do not

adopt the Astral remedial measures. You can say this is the fate of the

native.

With Best Wishes

Narinder Juneja

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Wednesday, June 20, 2001 11:07 AM

Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures

> Hello Tulasi,

>

> Provided I have the data correct, this native is currently in a vidasa

> (pratyantar dasa) of Asc lord Venus. Venus is in 4th house of home/home

> comforts and is conjunct 12th lord of expenses (Mars)...also, as you

stated

> is the case, Mars can result in injuries...particularly as transiting Mars

> is aspecting Ascendant. The question mark hovering over her job (career)

is

> evident with 10th lord Saturn transiting Ascendant, aspected by 12th lord

> Mars. Further to this is the influence of Ketu on vidasa lord VE. Ketu

> signifies accidental incidents/unexpected, unusual happenings etc. Ketu is

> currently transiting 8th house...and she's in KE sookshmantar dasa.

>

> So a few things need to be addressed: 1) Mars needs to be propitiated,

i.e.

> fasting on Tuesdays and giving away in charity the things connected with

> Mars, 2) Ketu also needs pacifying being in very tight conjunction with VE

> and 3) Ascendant lord Venus himself needs assistance...this is singularly

> the most important issue. For this native, with 5/9 lords conjunct 4th

lord

> Sun in 5th I would suggest the Venus Mantra:

>

> "hima-kunda mrnalabham daityanam paramam gurum

> sarva-sastra-pravaktaram bhargavam pranamamy aham"

>

> Chanting should begin on Friday and the mantra should be chanted 16,000

> times. Usually one recites 108 times per day (one mala) and continues

every

> day (without a break) until the prescribed number have been completed.

>

> Having said all that I see that her VE vidasa is almost at an end

(finishes

> June 22)...so some improvement on the homefront is likely. Also Sun vidasa

> would be a favourable time for success with mantras etc....

>

> Regards, Wendy

>

> > Hello Wendy,

> >

> > Thank you. This has cleared up quite a bit.

> >

> > I am doing a chart for a lady and she has been going

> > through some very hard times. Currently she is having

> > big money problems, says things are breaking around

> > the house that she must replace, and even had an

> > injury that requires surgery. She is considering

> > leaving her job of almost 30 years because it is not

> > paying enough but will loose all her benefits if she

> > does. I have my opinions on all this but would love to

> > hear yours, or anyone elses, IF you have the time.

> >

> > However, more importantly, she has been asking and

> > asking me for remedial measures. I've always had an

> > interest in that area of astro, but never had enough

> > books on that topic to study it. I have one book, and

> > it is somewhat helpful but not enough. Anyway, if

> > anyone would like to take a peek at her chart and

> > suggest remedial measures (that are not gems): she was

> > born 10/13/51 in Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, at 8:00

> > P.M., not during daylight savings time.

> >

> > Thanks to anyone who wants to try.

> >

> > Tulasi

>

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June 20, 2001

Dear Tulasi,

Please clarify the place of birth and state in USA again for the data you

have given.

With Best Wishes

Narinder Juneja

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Tuesday, June 19, 2001 10:08 PM

[gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures

> Hello Wendy,

>

> Thank you. This has cleared up quite a bit.

>

> I am doing a chart for a lady and she has been going

> through some very hard times. Currently she is having

> big money problems, says things are breaking around

> the house that she must replace, and even had an

> injury that requires surgery. She is considering

> leaving her job of almost 30 years because it is not

> paying enough but will loose all her benefits if she

> does. I have my opinions on all this but would love to

> hear yours, or anyone elses, IF you have the time.

>

> However, more importantly, she has been asking and

> asking me for remedial measures. I've always had an

> interest in that area of astro, but never had enough

> books on that topic to study it. I have one book, and

> it is somewhat helpful but not enough. Anyway, if

> anyone would like to take a peek at her chart and

> suggest remedial measures (that are not gems): she was

> born 10/13/51 in Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, at 8:00

> P.M., not during daylight savings time.

>

> Thanks to anyone who wants to try.

>

> Tulasi

>

> >>>Hello Tulasi,

>

> The most important point is that strengthening and

> appeasing are two

> entirely different things. If a functional malefic is

> the harbinger of

> difficulties then one would donate (give away in

> charity) the things

> associated with that planet in order to appease his

> malefic tendencies.

> On

> the other hand if a planet were a functional benefic

> then one would

> wish to

> increase the benefic tendencies by wearing the gem or

> articles

> associated

> with that planet or reciting the appropriate mantra.

> Doing these things

> will

> help to strengthen the planet...giving up the things

> ruled by a planet

> is

> appeasing or pacifying the planet, not strengthening

> it.

>

> Regards, Wendy

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I am new to the group. I have a question about

> > Remedial Measures, as this is the latest thing I am

> > studying. First to clarify, I am looking for

> practical

> > methods. Now, I read that, for example, Mars -- here

> > is what you do to strengthen and therefore appease

> an

> > afflicted Mars (yada yada). But then it states to

> > never strengten an afflicted Mars/planet because it

> > only increases its malefic powers but instead to use

> > the remedial measures to strengthen the benefic

> > planets. So which is it? (This is not about Mars,

> but

> > any planet.) Thanks in advance.

> >

> > Tulasi devi dasi

>

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Hello List,

Well, I certainly DID hit on a hot topic. lol Anyway,

I thank everyone for their responses and hope I can

reply to each, but if I can't, know

that I do apprecaite it. - Tulasi devi dasi

-------

Narinder,

Though I am new to the Remedial side of jyotish

astrology, I never heard of mantra's going wrong the

way I have with gems. Could you please elaborate?

>> as mantra recitation could usually go wrong which

can give adverse results.<

---------------

Manoj,

I am close in agreement with you, but I know many who

are highly spiriutal, have chanted mantras "anyway,"

and still have had astrological problems. In those

cases I am thinking something else may be needed for

them, possibly something more materail as they are

less on the material plane and do not deal with that

as directly. What do you think?

Tulasi

>>"Manoj Pathak" <manojpathak

Re: Remedial Measures

Hello friends,

Tulasi has again raised an issue which has been

debated for a long

time. I am not going into it. But since this issue has

cropped up, I would offer my views limited to daily

usage of some mantras which if done regularly can ward

off many evils.

1. recitation of Navgraha stotra regularly.

2. recitation of hanuman chalisa.

3. recitation of vishnu sahastranaam.

4. recitation of mrityunjaya mantra.

regular recitation of these mantras can work wonders.

Those who wish

can try it out and see for themselves. And if one

starts doing it on a regular basis, there is no need

for any gem, kavach, talisman or things like that.

Manoj<<

--------

Zodiac,

You make a very good point how, if we don't get it

right, we ourself could incur karma. Something I

suspect we all need to think more about.

Tulasi devi dasi

-----

Hello das Goravani,

Thank you for the very informative letter.

>>Das Goravani <>

Re: Remedial Measures

Planetary mantras: http://www.p-g-a.org/mantra.html

<<

Though I do not have the time to look at this site

right now, as I am about to go out, I am very

interested in it. Now here is my constant dilema. It

feels too close to demi-god worship. The lady I am

doing the chart for is a nondevotee, so maybe it would

be ok for her, but in general I am not sure what way

to go with this concept of chanting mantras to the

demi-gods. ?

>> It is in fact, the plant on Earth which gives off

the most oxygen of any plant weighed against it's size

etc. <

I never knew that. How interesting!

I am sure there are many opinions on whether or not

one should prescribe/use remedial measures or not. I

have thought about this long and hard. My conclusion

has been, thus far, that it would be like telling

someone not to go to a medical doctor when they are

ill but just flow with their karma. Of course, at the

time of death that is all very different, but on a

day-to-day life basis, I feel that it is good to help

someone.

I too believe mantra is the most potent of all for a

remedial measure. That does bring one to a duality.

One the one hand, she is a nondevotee, though it is

true she might chant anyway but I am also speaking of

the nondevotees charts we sometimes do who might not.

So thats out. And then there is the devotee who, as I

explained in a letter above, chants all the time

anyway. They seem to need something on a more material

level, so they can get more spiritual. That is, heal

the body or mind so they can get back with their

devotional service. So this is a dilema for me at the

moment, mantra.

Tulasi devi dasi

>>Hello Tulasi Devi Dasi,

That name, Tulasi, comes from an old Vedic story,

about how a great

eternal associate of Vishnu has been essentially

placed into a plant

form here on Earth, the Tulasi plant, and who's leaves

fall upon the

Salagram Sila stone (a representation of Vishnu on

Earth), and thus

here too she is serving the lord, providing solace to

Him here, and so,

offerings to Krishna are not accepted unless Tulasi

leaves are present

(so to speak). So in Krishna temples in India, we find

Tulasi leaves

are placed on the food offered to Krishna on the

altar. The prasadam or

foods that come off such Krishna altars are often

covered in fresh

Tulasi leaves. Tulasi is an amazing plant on the

scientific external

platform as well, with many fine properties. It is in

fact, the plant

on Earth which gives off the most oxygen of any plant

weighed against it's size etc. So it's a potent plant

on the material level as well. It is said that walking

clockwise around a Tulasi plant in the proper mood

removes all sin. So your name is a remedial measure in

a sense!

Remedial Measures means taking steps to alleviate

something we don't

desire to experience. This is a complex subject

because of the

complexity of the components of this endevour, which

includes:

the identity of the seer or native, who wishes to

alleviate something

the thing wishing to be improved or changed

the motivation for such a desire

the nature or the identity of the cause of the

negative

the negative itself, and it's necessity in their life

already

(or it's place in their lesson set)

the practice, technique or structure of the remedial

measure

and even more things...

So there are many factors to examine and question

here.

In some cases of consciousness, the meer thought of

"remedial measure"

becomes difficult to believe, such as in the case of

the absolutist

vision of the necessity and perfection of karma

itself, which is

arguably the highest vision to hold, in which case, no

such measure are

desired or believed in at all.

Perhaps better than that is when the seer believes

that the penultimate

remedial measure is either complete disassociation

with the cause of

the connection of the seer to the karma, as in the

case of those

philosophically tracking with Adi Sankaracarya.

Similar to that is how it is with those tracking with

Vaisnava thought

Acaryas, who recommend seeing all such negative karmas

as perfect mercy

for our detachment from matter, and who thus use only

attachment to

Vishnu Bhakti as the one and only necessary remedial

measure, and thus,

use elements of such Bhakti as their only measure,

doing more sadhana,

doing more praying, etc., in all negative cases in

life. This is why

advanced Vaisnavas for example hardly care about their

charts or dashas

etc., except in a whimsical passing fashion like a

passtime for fun or

passing interest.

Then there are those who are seeing on the platform of

Karma Khanda, or

Mimansha, and other karmic operating philosophical

views, and these

persons (which include most Westerners) have so many

options to look

into. This is where we usually discuss on this list-

from the level of

"it's my karma, and I can change it myself through

thought, action,

puja, yoga, etc".

Many of the advanced Jyotishis on this list and

elsewhere are halfway

or more involved in one of the two first mentioned

philosophical paths,

knowingly or unknowingly, and thus we sometimes see

that responses from

them are mixed between karmic corrective methods, and

the methods

coming from their higher philosophical views, which

are growing in them.

At the time of death, there isn't much time left to

arrange for yagyas.

So, many materially based measures are dependent upon

a certain set of

material conditions in order to be started or carried

out. Thus, they

are by definition of the material plane moreso than

say prayer.

The ultimate measure is an attitude adjustment.

Indeed, a Saint is a

person who primarily has a different attitude and

belief about life

than a regular person. It's not so much what they do,

puja, yagya, etc., so much as how they think and feel

spontaneously, all the time. Saints

have no problem with negativities. This is one of

their hallmarks. They are "surrendered" to Divine

Will. Whereas, the normal person, is not, and trys to

fix perceived negativities in various ways.

So the ultimate remedial measure is the one that

removes us from

interest in the negativities at all.

For the attached person, remedial measures are the

most interesting.

Generally, a remedial measure consists of appeasing a

Planetary God who

is currently poised in this life to do negative harm

to the positive

material life of the native. So, some authorized puja

or yagya is

performed in honorific fashion of the God involved,

and the native is

the beneficiary. It's basically like filling out a

"mercy request

application" and submitting it. That's what a yagya

essentially is. The

priests are helping you to "fill in the form" in the

proper way. In

this sense, the puja or yagya is the "proper form" to

fill out, "the one

that will be heard" in the heavens.

However, karma is very balanced to begin with. So, if

you try to change

one side, it won't work unless you change the other.

For example, you

cannot kill your neighbors and expect them to like

you. So, if you want

their forgiveness for past agressions, it's best to

stop agressing. So

with our karma, if we wish to remove the

RE-ACTION

we have to also remove the original cause or

ACTION

that causes the reaction.

This is generally the case.

If one just removes the ACTION, then the RE-action

will also dissipate

in due order.

So therefore the most thoughtful of all persons will

recommend always

soul searching for your inner connection to the action

itself, and then

removing that with means of inner work, one then

removes the re-action

as well. This is going on in all of us always. When we

try to excercise

for example, we are hoping for a certain result, but

really what we're

doing is trying to remove the action or element in us

of laziness, and

as laziness goes on every cell level in us, then our

body visibly

transforms externally, and we achieve the result our

attachment wants.

But what really happened was through tapasya and

austerity (the

excercise) we changed our inner nature on the bodily

level, and thus we

got the fruit of a transformed body.

On a very subtle level, if one feels that a planet

overall is harming

them repeatedly throughout life, they may wish to

apply for a "break"

from that God, through Yagya. Japa is also a yagya, as

are many other

practices one can do for free, for oneself.

Yesterday I received an email from Richard Brown, head

of a Gemological

Study group here on Earth, who is also a Gem Dealer.

Richard is always

pushing the science of Jyotish forward, especially in

relation to Gems

and these types of matters in general. So he has

published on his

website a listing of the 108 names of each planet. One

can chant the

names of the planet(s) they wish to appease. I

personally think this is

a very HIGH way of remedial measure, with maximum

potent effect. Sound

is very powerful and subtle. Chanting the names of a

planet with whom

you are currently misaligned is certainly the quickest

way to reallign

oneself properly with that division of Gods energies.

I noticed for example that one of Ketu's names is

"Bhakta Rakshaka".

This stood out to me as it was the name of my Gurudev

as well, or his

was Bhakti Rakshaka, or the protector of Bhakti.

Bhakta Rakshaka means

the "Guardian of the devoted". So, Ketu protects the

devoted. If

someone is misaligned with Ketu, they therefore may

not be very well aligned with protection of the

devoted persons. They may not therefore properly

understand devotion. Chanting this mantra will help

them to accept devotion and devotees as something

needing protection. This will help their heart for

example.

I highly believe mantra is the most powerful of

practices. It is

practical, and can be started even with a hardened

heart. It is not

something you have to be qualified to do, you just

have to do it. It's

free, Vedic without question, harmless without

question, and if done

sincerely, possibly the most fruitful of all attempts.

Krishna also says that if we devote ourselvs to

getting fruits from the

Gods, like removal of bad karma, we will quickly get

results. He

implies this is done as a part of nature to increase

one's faith and

invovlement in the process of reciprocating with Gods

in general but that the ultimate problem and need of

the soul is a little higher than that preoccupation.

After all, generally speaking, we are, with

"remedials" aiming to fix something in one life, and

not trying to fix the whole process of our involvement

with matter, which is spoken of in Gita and Bhagavatam

as something higher than pursuing "fixing this one

life".

I personally am not able to sort out all these things

so well

personally. It's a huge mess, this science of life.

Wow. However, the

basic inner attitude of service, surrender, and

detachment from

specific desires is I find always helpful in

tolerating life in a more positive way.

For a person on an expansive karmic path, that is, one

who is seeking

still fulfillment of desires in this world, there is

not choice but to

make deals with Gods, through remedials, and try to

move on towards

one's goal. The retractive or exiting path is

different, in which case

one seeks to improve their tolerance of what is,

rather than trying to

change it. This is why we hear of leppers who "put the

worms back into

their wounds when they fall out onto the ground". When

we hear of such

things, we know we are dealing with a person who is of

the mind that

they are leaving this plane. They have little interest

left in

maintaining body and soul together for some material

aim.

Hinduism can be very confusing in this way, as there

are teachers and

preachers on many different levels of realization.

Therefore, before proceeding with such a discussion,

it is good to nail

down a few things, namely, what do you believe, and

what is your honest

hope and aim. These will at least establish which

field, plane, or

level you are operating on truly, and thus you can

make real progress forward from that point honestly,

and will more likely find your way to the practices

which really work for where you're really at.

Like if one is out and out materialistically aiming,

and really doesn't

have interest or time for liberation, surrender,

devotion, etc., then

yagyas and pujas you pay others to do on your behalf

may be the best

option, along with Gems, etc. These are things that

don't necessarily

require a change of heart, but which may align you in

a subtly

mechanistic way with higher forces. Yogic practices

were supposedly

used by "Rakshashas" in scriptures to achieve their

aims, though they were opposed to Vishnu's dominion in

general. So the Vedas seem to imply

that even evil person can use yoga, yagya, yantra,

tantra, etc., in order to improve their experience in

the material energy. I believe this is so,knowing God

to be such an unbiased providor of whatever we desire.

So by applying in a sincere way, usually results can

be had. Even those

who are essentially materialistic will be "heard" if

they perform such

applications for alleviation of negatives. This is

Krishnas implied

promise. So go for it, by whatever means makes the

most sense to you.

Know that Yagya is essentially formed by proper mantra

chanting. So

again, mantra chanting is such a potent force. Then

with that use the

directions, the days of the week, the hours of the

day, and so on, all

related to the planet(s) in question. Articles and

artifacts, mantras,

directions, times, and so on, are what make up yagya.

If you were going to "get a loan" from a bank, you

would "dress up"

before going to the bank, in order to "show them

you're worthy" of the

loan, and able to "handle repayment". Yagya is like

that- you dress

up, you gather the articles of your application,

things that prove you are ready for the change or

loan, and then you make your application, and hope for

the right result. If it is not granted, you try again

later

after re-gathering the same things, but maybe

hopefully in a little

better way this time around. So you try, try, try

again, to get what

you want.

Or you back off and try to go with the flow of your

karma without

changing it. Yoga is more so this approach in general.

Yoga is more a

process of working with, rather than changing.

Since most of us are mixed between karmic and

devotional paths and

methods indeed, so therefore some of each may seem to

be the right mix

to propel us forward nicely, ie, a gem may help with

things which help

with devotion, which helps with the other, and thus

they ying yang

together in an upward spiral. Eventually, some

practices are left off

in ones life as it improves, and others are taken up.

Progressive and

positive spiritual movement forward will be the result

of the right

mix. Our mood should improve. That is the ultimate

aim. The ultimate aim is "happiness at all times" or

at least a peacefulness filling the

consciousness, despite all circumstances.

I hope I am somewhat correct in this forward attempt

at explaining this

subject according to my learning thus far. I am humble

that I may need

correction on many levels.

peace

das goravani<<

-----------------

Zoran,

I would like to ask you about fasting. The book I am

reading requires many fasts for a long time. It seems

impractical in this country. You said you have had

success with it. Could you share how long, on average,

you suggest a fast?

Thank you.

Tulasi devi dasi

>> ahimsa

Re: Remedial Measures

Namaste jyotisha friends,

You are all right in your views. That is why I said

that one should be

quite cautious when prescribing gems. Also such gems

are too expensive even for the people living in

high-standard countries. Let's say for example that

good yellow sapphire costs at first hand dealer around

2500 US$, while it belongs to a cheaper stone. That is

why, one has to work a lot to afford a stone.. So

he/she inputs their own work and effort in the form of

money earned. Other type of

stones have a role of jewlery only. I personally tend

to advice

mantras, which

is in my own part with the strong Ortodox Christian

tradition very

complicated.

Consequently, most often I advise fasting on the days

ruled by certain

grahas.

For example in case of any marital disourd fasting on

days ruled by

lord of

Upapada Lagna brings immediate releif and wanders

happen. In my own

experience

of advicing fast in the course of two previous years,

many people felt

tremendous benefit by fasting. So it is somehow, most

acceptable to

general

population.

Best wishes

Zoran

----------

Hello Lilina,

Thank you. As I asked Zoran so I will ask you. How

long to you prescribe a fast?

Tulasi

>> Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:56:22 +0200

"Liliana Sucur Perisic"

<astrolila

Re: Remedial Measures

Dear Tulasi Devi,

as far as I know, afflicted or weak BENEFICS should be

strangthened (by

wearing certain gems etc.), and Malefics should NOT be

strangthened but

APPEASED, by CHANTING MANTRAS performing sacrifices on

that planet's

weekday

and so on.

This is logical, if you strengthen something which is

doing you harm,

then

it can do even more harm.

Love,

Lilina<<

-------

Pursottam,

You make a valid point. The concern is, where to draw

the line? Do we tell the nondevotee or even the novice

they are not qualified to chant? Do we say its ok?

What are your suggestions on this? As I have

considered prescribing a little bit of mantra for this

lady but she can only do so much.

Tulasi

> say "Om Namo Narayanaya" or "Om Namo Shivaya". If

you have a Guru,

then

> you will have so many mantras already to start with

undoubtedly.

>

If and when reciting it, be careful with the

pronouciation of the

latter

mantra - Lord Shiva's pancaksari (without the "Om")

mantra. The correct

pronounciation is "Om Namah Shivaya", which simply

tranlates to "Om. I

offer

my respectful obeisances unto Lord Shiva." I once

heard it said that

when

people mistakenly say "Om Namo Shivaya" they are

actually saying that

Lord

Shiva should bow to them! Don't know if it's true or

not, but everytime

I've

seen it written in Roman/Devanagari, it's always "Om

Namah Shivaya".

"Om

Namo Narayanaya" is, I believe, the correct way of

pronouncing the

astaksari

mantra of Lord Narayana.

Thanks,

Pursottam

----------------

Hello Das Goravani,

Thank you for all the information on the Tulasi plant.

Actually, I have taken care of her, both in temple and

at home. Not now though but maybe one day, again.

Would be nice if she was a Remedial measure. Never

know.

Tulasi

>> Das Goravani <>

Srimati Tulasi Maharani, details of care etc

Srimati Tulasi Devi

Caring for a pure devotee in a plant body...

For proper worship of Vishnu Tattva Deities, which

includes Sri

Krishna,

one must have Tulasi leaf and flower to sprinkle on

the offering plates

before bringing them on the altar. So growing Tulasi

plants goes on at

most temples, if the plants are not available locally

commonly.

In India, one often sees Tulasi growing on a raised

pillar in the

middle

of the temple courtyards, etc.

Serious Vishnu Bhaktas, like the folks at all Hare

Krishna centers,

will

be growing Tulasi as a regular course of their lives.

They will have

seeds and or small plants to share.

However, they are protective about the plants. Some

will not give them

out to outsiders who are not "initiated" in Vishnu

Bhakti through

surrender to Guru etc. This is to protect Srimati

Tulasi Devi from

abuse.

You can find Tulasi as an ingredient in many Ayurvedic

medicines.

Strict

Vaisnavas get great pains seeing that Tulasi is being

slaughtered for

medicine.

The only time Vaisnavas will eat Tulasi leaf or flower

is after is has

been offered to Vishnu or Krishna on the altar,

otherwise they consider

her STRICTLY to be the property of Krishna, like other

divine

paraphanelia or personalities, and therefore, not to

be "taken"

whimsically by us at any time.

So if one seeks to own a Tulasi plant, one will have

to acquire seeds

or

a small plant. This should be done. Everyone should

grow Tulasi if

possible. You can approach the devotees or seek a seed

source.

The Tulasi plant is scientifically a type of Basil

plant. It is NOT the

kinds of Basil you can buy in stores in the West.

There are many types

of Basil, and some look an awful lot like Tulasi but

still are not.

Tulasi itself comes in a couple minor varieties or sub

species I guess

you could say.

It is considered that the Tulasi plant is an expansion

of the soul of

Srimati Tulasi Devi, an exalted devotee in Heaven (the

eternal

spiritual

world of the Vedic scriptures telling), and that

therefore any offense

towards the plant is to be avoided. The Vaisnavas bow

to the plant,

treat it like a deity essentially, worship it

everyday, give it special

treatment. In Hare Krishna temples, they sew skirts

for the pots (as if

it's a lady with a dress on so to speak). VERY CUTE.

Very Devotional.

This is so good for people to see and feel.

It may look weird, but think about it, who the heck

are you to say!

The final step in installing a Vishnu or Krishna

deitie is to stick a

Tulasi leaf on the foot of the deity with Sandalwood

paste, as if to

signify,

THIS deitie is now GOD HIMSELF, therefore, we can

STICK A TULASI LEAF

on

it's foot and be CORRECT.

It's the final step in Pran Pratishta, or inviting the

breath of God

into the deity. From this, one can grasp the high

place Tulasi holds in

Hindu Vaisnava Thought.

The beads worn around the neck and chanted on are made

from expired

Tulasi bushes. In Vrndavan India, Krishnas city, many

are engaged in

making beeds from old expired Tulasi trunks. The bush

can grow to be

large, like a person say, but is usually a small bush,

only knee high

from the Earth say. Generally, a Tulasi plant is a

small bush with a

firm woody stem and twigs, very soft small almond

shaped leaves, bushy

long flowers, and an incredible aroma and taste

overall. Indeed, the

leaves are very very tasty, as either a spice or

whatever, and the

smell

of the plant is something else. It's very special.

Note that Vrndavan is considered to be essentially a

forest of Tulasi

plants, in subtle essence anyway, don't expect to see

that now on

Earth,

but there are places in India and Hawaii where there

are TONS of Tulasi

growing wild.

The Tulasi plant prefers warmth and humidity. I have

raised Tulasi

houses successfully in Portland Oregon and Londong

England, two places

that don't naturally qualify at all. She'll die

outside in such places.

So for most of america and most of the Western World,

you have to raise

her indoors, but she's not an indoor plant. So, you

have to give her

special circumstances. The best thing is a small

indoor greenhouse, so

that you can control the humidity and warmth. If she

is warm and damp,

like as if in a jungle, then she'll grow like crazy

and be bright green

and healthy. This is such a pleasure to see. She is an

incredibly

beautiful and stunning plant. Really. It's a sweet

feeling to raise

Tulasi.

But if she dies in your care, it's not a sweet feeling

at all. It's

rather sad, and it happens. It's best to take this

seriously.

I generally build an indoor greenhouse, from floor to

ceiling, but it

can be as small as 3 ft high deep and wide, simply by

putting up strips

of wide thick plastic, like plastic tarps or whatever,

glass is best,

get as fancy as you want. I put in shelves and full

spectrum plant

lights. Everything you need is available in all modern

places. Then I

bring in She. I spray her a few times a day, and keep

her soil moist.

She likes loam, not acidic soil. Forget what they say

about making it

sandy, no, make it light, as her tender roots will

then go crazy in

that

nice black rich light soil as she grows. She'll be

happy.

If you care about her, you'll be able to feel her.

She's very

sensitive.

She's soft and supple. She's not at all agressive. Not

too wet, but not

too dry, just right, and with nice light, she can

handle alot of light

in the right temperature and humidity.

She dies usually from cold drafts, drying up, dry air,

spiders, white

flies, spider mites, other types of plant mites, the

presence of dogs

or

cats or other ignorant innocently abusive animals,

neglect of spirit,

and bad vibes in the home which don't welcome her Lord

Sri Vishnu

(purity in the home is good). She's a Bhakti

Barometer. She is so tasty

and good and kind that all forms of bugs love to eat

her. You must not

let them, but you must not use harsh anything around

her. We used to

pick off small bugs of all types one by one by hand to

avoid poisons or

making her watch carnage of critters, which she also

doesnt like to

see.

You can pick a few leaves each day, the ones that want

to mature and

fall off come off easily, and you place them on top of

the food just

before you offer it. You do not use her in the

cooking. You set the

fresh leaves right on top of the food as you bring it

to Krishna. Just

lightly wash off each leaf first, that's all. You can

also pick the

flowers and use them in the exact same way. You can

also just give

these

to Krishna, or God, directly, by placing them on the

altar, and

offering

them with a prayer, or on Krishnas feet, or make a

garland of them and

put it on Krishna.

After these leaf and flowers are offered, you may and

should eat them.

They are tasty, good for you, and good for devotion.

Never treat them

bad in any way.

To learn more about Tulasi, hang out with the Tulasi

Pujari (caretaker)

at any Hare Krishna or other Vaisnava temple, or place

where Tulasi is

grown and worshipped fully. There are books in

Sanskrit, Hindi and

English just on the matter of her Divinity and Care.

Jai Srimati Tulasi Maharani<<

-------------------------

I have to agree with Chirs here, not so much for

myself but for those I would give this remedial

measure to. How does one get them to chant this much?

Or, are there lesser numbers one can chant?

Tulasi

ckevill

Re: Planetary Mantras

>

>Yes, one chants the whole list.

Whoa! That's a lot of chanting! :-) I know there is

a difference of

opinion out there about pronounciation, but how close

should one be to

the "correct" one?

Thanks again.

Chris

--------------------

Manoj,

I very much liked your approach, and I too am not so

inclined toward SA. Though what you are saying seems

to leave some of the things out that have been

described on the list as helpful. Do you have any

ideas on these?

Tulasi

>Hello Marcia,

How are you doing ? Wendy was right. Normally I dont

prescribe or use

gems in my scheme of things. My scheme of things rest

solely on what

Parashara has advised in the "Shanti Adhyay" of Brihat

Parashar Hora Shastra and there he says only three

things can ameliorate one's sufferings and these are

"Jap", "Tap" and "Daan". Saturn is Krishna devotee. So

in case of Saturn, it is advisable to do Pooja for

Lord Krishna.

best regards,

Manoj

--------------------

Hello Nitin,

>>I had a general quesiton regarding the

recommendation of stones to the

native. Is there a difference between having a stone

on the chest (on a

chain) as opposed to say, a stone on a ring?<

I have often wondered this myself and hope some

answers are sent in.

Tulasi devi dasi

----------------

Hello Wendy,

Some of the astrological sanskrit still behooves me.

(pratyantar dasa)??

What I am getting is that she is at the end of her

SUN/jupiter period, and yes, soon to change over into

her SUN/saturn period, which should be much better for

her. I too was thinking it was her Mars causing

accidents (lord of 7th in 4th). Her job, in my humble

opinion, it is good she is changing it as this is how

she is starting to feel. She has told me she is not

really happy in it. I also told her to make sure she

is doing what is her natural propensity as in general,

she should be doing ok. I thank you for the suggested

remedial measures!

Tulasi

>>> Hello Tulasi,

Provided I have the data correct, this native is

currently in a vidasa

(pratyantar dasa) of Asc lord Venus. Venus is in 4th

house of home/home

comforts and is conjunct 12th lord of expenses

(Mars)...also, as you

stated is the case, Mars can result in

injuries...particularly as transiting Mars

is aspecting Ascendant. The question mark hovering

over her job

(career) is

evident with 10th lord Saturn transiting Ascendant,

aspected by 12th

lord

Mars. Further to this is the influence of Ketu on

vidasa lord VE. Ketu

signifies accidental incidents/unexpected, unusual

happenings etc. Ketu

is

currently transiting 8th house...and she's in KE

sookshmantar dasa.

So a few things need to be addressed: 1) Mars needs to

be propitiated,

i.e.

fasting on Tuesdays and giving away in charity the

things connected

with

Mars,

2) Ketu also needs pacifying being in very tight

conjunction with

VE

and

3) Ascendant lord Venus himself needs

assistance...this is

singularly

the most important issue. For this native, with 5/9

lords conjunct 4th

lord Sun in 5th I would suggest the Venus Mantra:

"hima-kunda mrnalabham daityanam paramam gurum

sarva-sastra-pravaktaram bhargavam pranamamy aham"

Chanting should begin on Friday and the mantra should

be chanted 16,000

times. Usually one recites 108 times per day (one

mala) and continues

every day (without a break) until the prescribed

number have been completed.

Having said all that I see that her VE vidasa is

almost at an end

(finishes June 22)...so some improvement on the

homefront is likely. Also Sun vidasa would be a

favourable time for success with mantras etc....

Regards, Wendy<<<

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