Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2001 My Dear Manoj, I know you addressed this to Narinder, but can I just say a little something to hopefully get it all into perspective. I do not believe that kavach or gem can in any way change a person's destiny. Just as I don't believe for one moment that insulin can change a person's destiny, or setting a broken bone and putting it in a cast till it mends can change a person's destiny...remedies don't change people's destiny, not in the way you understand. Best Wishes, Wendy > Dear Narinder, > > Can you cite a single example where by use of your astral remedy or amulet > you were able to change the destiny of a single person. > > with best wishes, > > Manoj > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2001 Dear Wendy, I can understand whenever a new thing is heard that is looked by suspicion in many matters. When I was learning SA I also thought differently. The functional nature of ME is fixed not as I said and it is accepted, this is the crux of more than 50000 charts and experience of hundred of astrologers and my esteemed guru Sh V.K.choudhary who has excellently fixed the norms of functional nature of planets. In further interpretation if you fix the functional nature of planets according to SA you will feel and have a tremendous result. Yes, This Kavach will not strengthen only Moon but also all his benefic planets in the nativity equivalent to gem. The gems are always effective but should be proper in size, purity, weight and metal to be worn in an elected auspicious time only. If in a native chart affliction is on strong planet then the Kavach is sufficient and if this affliction is on weak,badly placed to many planets then we can ask he/she should wear the Kavach with stone. Hope this helps. With Best Wishes Narinder Juneja Sr. Astrologer www.mywebastrologer.com - Wendy Vasicek <wenvas <gjlist> Friday, June 22, 2001 9:41 AM Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures > Dear Narinder, > > Many thanks for your reply. Your statement regarding the transit of SU, VE, > ME for Pisces Lagna is something that's easily overlooked even by > experienced astrologers. The obvious often gets lost in the search for other > things...it's something I will always keep in mind in future...for all > lagnas! > > There is one thing I'd like to ask in regard to the M/B status of Mercury. > You referred to ME as being a benefic, but surely his moolatrikona sign > manifesting as 7th house, makes him a FM for this chart...also the > conjunction of Ketu would increase his malefic tendency. Obviously during ME > mahadasa a kavach would be appropriate to ward off the clutches of Ketu, but > I would think that at the completion of this dasa, strengthening Mercury > would be unadvisable. > > I'm shooting a bit in the dark here on these finer points. Hope you can make > it a bit clearer. My great caution is that, as we're directly influencing > the planets concerned, it's paramount that we cause no harm. I am obviously > quite ignorant still as to the intended effect of the kavach...I suspect > it's not quite strengthening in the same way as a gem would. Can you advise > us all on the subtle/philosophic difference between the two remedies. > > The kavach for Moon I'm completely comfortable with and will speak to him > about it at my earliest opportunity. > > Best Regards, Wendy > > > > > Dear Wendy, > > > > The chart you submit is Piscean ascendant, most of Piscean suffer in > > relationship & marital compatibility as their 7th lord Mercury(lord of > > spouse)frequently conjunct with malefic planets Sun & Venus in transit. In > > this case his Mercury is under influence of malefic Rahu,Ketu. Emotion & > > children lord Moon is weak due to in the state of infancy, bed comfort > lord > > Saturn is also 0 deg. and marital tie lord Venus is placed in house of > > losses. These are the reasons for obstruction in relationship & marital > > compatibility. > > > > Generally People ruin their life due to hasty decisions therefore one > should > > utilize the experience of a competent astrologer for success in life thru > > Astral remedies. In his case strengthening of benefic Mercury & Moon by > > wearing of Kavach will help a great deal. > > > > I am elaborating about complete Astral remedial measures below:- > > There are two parts of remedial measures. > > > > 1.ASTRAL REMEDIES- To appease the malefic planets by the way of doing > > charities & propitiations. Through these certain & ritual charities both > the > > transit and natal malefic planets will appease. You know in transit the > > planets are on their path, they make aspect and conjunction to each other. > > Whenever the malefic transit planets form an aspect & conjunction in the > > transit & nativity, it creates hurdles & obstructions in giving the > results > > of the benefic planets. If any person do these certain ritual remedies > every > > morning (it will take only 5-10 minutes only) it will help in reducing the > > evil malefic impact of the malefic > > planets and allow the benefic planets to shower their significance on the > > native. > > > > 2.-KAVACH/AMULET- This is the second part of the Astral remedial measure. > > Whenever in the native chart the benefic planets are weak due to its > > placement, strength, in the term of debilitation(weakness)and afflicted by > > malefic > > planets. In this situation the benefic planets cannot promote their > > significance in getting the desired results by native. For strengthening > the > > benefic planets we advice to wear the Kavach/Amulet. The Kavach is made in > > Silver worn like a pendant around the neck in the elected auspicious time > > and it contains mystical numbers of > > benefic planets on it, according to their planet. It will be worn in next > > elected auspicious time. The > > auspicious time will be elected as per the geographical > > location(longitude-latitude) of the place of wearing Kavach by the native. > > Kavach is beneficial for all benefic planets in the nativity. > > > > The auspicious time is elected according to certain parameters ,i.e > > > > a) When the benefic planets in transit are not in the sign of debilitation > > and their placement are not in the bad houses(6th, 8th & 12th). Those > houses > > which promote > > dispute, disease, theft, fire, arson, obstruction, denial, accidents, > > addiction, hospitalization, losses, etc. > > > > b) The placement of malefic planets should be in good houses and not near > > the midpoint of the ascendant, also not afflicting any benefic planets and > > there should be no affliction to any malefic planets. > > > > These remedies are not only recommended for the bad periods in life but > also > > recommended for good periods because due to these remedies native gets > > maximum result, which will be more than the actual results of the benefic > > planets. > > > > As far as our research & studies goes whosoever has adopted and performed > > the complete Astral remedies he has definitely achieved his desires and > has > > enjoyed his life. > > > > Generally people confuse in only functional nature of planets in other > > systems, this is very easy in system approach, if someone consider the > > functional nature of planet & its strength, he can analyse whole chart in > > less than 3 minutes and tell the problem without asking the quarrant. This > > skill will come after practicing SA regularly. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > With Best Wishes > > > > Narinder Juneja > > Sr. Astrologer > > www.mywebastrologer.com > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2001 Dear Wendy, Yes, the destiny can't be changed but the obstruction level is brought down by 80% (depends on affliction & chart) by adopting astral remedies. With Best Wishes Narinder Juneja Sr. Astrologer www.mywebastrologer.com - Wendy Vasicek <wenvas <gjlist> Friday, June 22, 2001 1:24 PM Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures > My Dear Manoj, > > I know you addressed this to Narinder, but can I just say a little something > to hopefully get it all into perspective. I do not believe that kavach or > gem can in any way change a person's destiny. Just as I don't believe for > one moment that insulin can change a person's destiny, or setting a broken > bone and putting it in a cast till it mends can change a person's > destiny...remedies don't change people's destiny, not in the way you > understand. > > Best Wishes, Wendy > > > > Dear Narinder, > > > > Can you cite a single example where by use of your astral remedy or amulet > > you were able to change the destiny of a single person. > > > > with best wishes, > > > > Manoj > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2001 Hello Dear Narinder, I was foxed and it really took some courage to write back. You had mentioned that for Pisces ascendant, marital problems would continue to exist while in a chart reading for Wendy or someone on the list. Basically that means that Jupiterian ascendants would suffer on marital front as Mercury would have frequent malefic influences. Correct me if I am wrong, but this is what I gathered out of your statement in one of your posts. Manoj _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2001 Dear Wendy, Excellent analogy - thank you. Sateesh. ======= gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@d...> wrote: > My Dear Manoj, > > I know you addressed this to Narinder, but can I just say a little something > to hopefully get it all into perspective. I do not believe that kavach or > gem can in any way change a person's destiny. Just as I don't believe for > one moment that insulin can change a person's destiny, or setting a broken > bone and putting it in a cast till it mends can change a person's > destiny...remedies don't change people's destiny, not in the way you > understand. > > Best Wishes, Wendy > > > > Dear Narinder, > > > > Can you cite a single example where by use of your astral remedy or amulet > > you were able to change the destiny of a single person. > > > > with best wishes, > > > > Manoj > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2001 Dear Wendy, You make an interesting point. I was wondering if you would mind elaborating. Does this mean you believe that no ones destiny can be changed and they therefore must undergo their bad karma, no matter what they try to do about it? Or do you mean only through prayer/meditation and connecting with God could such a change take place? Or something else? Would love to hear your answer. Tulasi >>"Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@d...> wrote: > My Dear Manoj, > > I know you addressed this to Narinder, but can I just say a little something > to hopefully get it all into perspective. I do not believe that kavach or > gem can in any way change a person's destiny. Just as I don't believe for > one moment that insulin can change a person's destiny, or setting a broken > bone and putting it in a cast till it mends can change a person's > destiny...remedies don't change people's destiny, not in the way you > understand. > > Best Wishes, Wendy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2001 Dear Manoj, For both Pisces and Sagittarius (Jupiterian ascendants) Mercury owns the 7th house of marriage. As it happens that Mercury, Venus and Sun are often conjunct during their transit we can see that the two significators of marriage/spouse (ME/VE) will often be combust. For Pisces ascendant Sun is lord of 6th house of disputes, difficulties, struggles etc...it's easy to see then how Pisces natives may often have difficulties in their relationships due to these transits. Sagittarius natives on the other hand will see a different outcome from this conjunction as Sun is lord of 9th house. So generally speaking, Sagittarius natives will enjoy smoother relationships than Pisces natives...it makes sense. Regards, Wendy > You had mentioned > that for Pisces ascendant, marital problems would continue to exist while in > a chart reading for Wendy or someone on the list. Basically that means that > Jupiterian ascendants would suffer on marital front as Mercury would have > frequent malefic influences. > > Correct me if I am wrong, but this is what I gathered out of your statement > in one of your posts. > > Manoj Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2001 Dear Wendy, Insulin doesn't CHANGE anybody's destiny, it is A PART of destiny, for those diabetics who are lucky to get it. There are also diabetics who cannot get it. The same goes for all remedial measures. This is the way I see it. Regards and love, Liliana >tulasidevi2000 >gjlist >gjlist >[gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures >Fri, 22 Jun 2001 13:41:38 -0000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >X-Originating-IP: 63.17.223.182 >Received: from [208.50.144.76] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBCFC9875003E40043221D032904C493E54; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 06:58:47 -0700 >Received: from [10.1.4.52] by mk. with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2001 >13:41:44 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 22 Jun 2001 13:41:42 -0000 >Received: (qmail 35789 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2001 13:41:41 -0000 >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Jun >2001 13:41:41 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO hn.) (10.1.2.221) by mta1 with >SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 13:41:41 -0000 >Received: from [10.1.10.105] by hn. with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2001 >13:41:40 -0000 >From sentto-490438-6007-993217304-astrolila Fri, 22 Jun 2001 07:00:37 -0700 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-490438-6007-993217304-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) >X-Sender: tulasidevi2000 >X-Apparently-gjlist >X-eGroups-Return: tulasidevi2000 >Message-ID: <9gvhui+v8s6 (AT) eGroups (DOT) com> >User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 >X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact >gjlist-owner >Delivered-mailing list gjlist >Precedence: bulk >List-Un: <gjlist> > >Dear Wendy, > >You make an interesting point. I was wondering if you would mind >elaborating. Does this mean you believe that no ones destiny can be >changed and they therefore must undergo their bad karma, no matter >what they try to do about it? Or do you mean only through >prayer/meditation and connecting with God could such a change take >place? Or something else? Would love to hear your answer. > >Tulasi > > > >>"Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@d...> wrote: > > My Dear Manoj, > > > > I know you addressed this to Narinder, but can I just say a little >something > > to hopefully get it all into perspective. I do not believe that >kavach or > > gem can in any way change a person's destiny. Just as I don't >believe for > > one moment that insulin can change a person's destiny, or setting a >broken > > bone and putting it in a cast till it mends can change a person's > > destiny...remedies don't change people's destiny, not in the way you > > understand. > > > > Best Wishes, Wendy > > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2001 Dear Wendy, This is the second time I mail this quote from "Light on Life" (by Defouw&Svoboda) to the list, but I believe reading it twice is not reading ot too often. "Transiting planets can activate results promised in the horoscope, but they CANNOT CHANGE THE NATURE OF THOSE RESULTS." I believe this is true for Pisces AC as much as for any other AC. If a horoscope promises happy married life, no transits can change that. That such a promise seems to be very rare these days in the western world, no matter where AC is, is another point. Regards and love, Liliana >"Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas >gjlist ><gjlist> >Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures >Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:01:54 +0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [216.115.96.54] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBCFCA804004740042A15D873603646E6256; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:04:45 >-0700 >Received: from [10.1.4.52] by hk. with NNFMP; 22 Jun 2001 >15:02:46 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 22 Jun 2001 15:02:44 -0000 >Received: (qmail 37687 invoked from network); 22 Jun 2001 15:01:48 -0000 >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 22 Jun >2001 15:01:48 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au) (203.2.75.231) by >mta3 with SMTP; 22 Jun 2001 15:01:47 -0000 >Received: from wenvas (perax1-184.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.75.184]) >by mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5MF1iC30074 >for <gjlist>; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 01:01:44 +1000 >From sentto-490438-6010-993222166-astrolila Fri, 22 Jun 2001 08:05:54 -0700 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-490438-6010-993222166-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) >X-Sender: wenvas >X-Apparently-gjlist >Message-ID: <005e01c0fb2c$4795b420$b84b8ec6@wenvas> >References: <LAW2-F98VoMDrxxnSYe000006cb >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact >gjlist-owner >Delivered-mailing list gjlist >Precedence: bulk >List-Un: <gjlist> > >Dear Manoj, > >For both Pisces and Sagittarius (Jupiterian ascendants) Mercury owns the >7th >house of marriage. As it happens that Mercury, Venus and Sun are often >conjunct during their transit we can see that the two significators of >marriage/spouse (ME/VE) will often be combust. > >For Pisces ascendant Sun is lord of 6th house of disputes, difficulties, >struggles etc...it's easy to see then how Pisces natives may often have >difficulties in their relationships due to these transits. Sagittarius >natives on the other hand will see a different outcome from this >conjunction >as Sun is lord of 9th house. > >So generally speaking, Sagittarius natives will enjoy smoother >relationships >than Pisces natives...it makes sense. > >Regards, Wendy > > > > You had mentioned > > that for Pisces ascendant, marital problems would continue to exist >while >in > > a chart reading for Wendy or someone on the list. Basically that means >that > > Jupiterian ascendants would suffer on marital front as Mercury would >have > > frequent malefic influences. > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but this is what I gathered out of your >statement > > in one of your posts. > > > > Manoj > > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2001 This is absolutely correct Liliana. Wish more people could see this...astrological remedies are no different than any other...the only difference is that they are likely to be 100 times more effective as you're going directly to the source of the problem. I also agree that if it's not your destiny to benefit from such things, then you will not. Regards, Wendy > Dear Wendy, > Insulin doesn't CHANGE anybody's destiny, it is A PART of destiny, for those > diabetics who are lucky to get it. There are also diabetics who cannot get > it. The same goes for all remedial measures. This is the way I see it. > Regards and love, > Liliana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2001 Having never read Defouw, I can neither support nor refute what he says. But it's a sound principle and one that applies to divisionals as well. Common sense tells us however that what's common in transit is often (also) common in natal chart. If we also note a Piscean has an afflicted VE and/or ME, then the difficulties are set in concrete, so to speak. I have to hand two horoscopes: One has Pisces rising with Venus in 12th and Mercury afflicted in 10th. The other has Sagittarius rising with both Venus and Mercury in 12th. The Pisces native (constantly) has great difficulties in relationships...the Sagittarius native has an extremely supportive spouse. My views are that with Sun (Self) owning 9th house (for Sagittarian) the solutions to problems in life, whether with spouse or any other problems, will materialise...whereas for Pisces natives, 6th lord Sun denotes more problems than solutions (coming from the native himself). So we do see that the transiting planets and the natal planets are not contradictory in their results. Regards, Wendy > Dear Wendy, > This is the second time I mail this quote from "Light on Life" (by > Defouw&Svoboda) to the list, but I believe reading it twice is not reading > ot too often. > > "Transiting planets can activate results promised in the horoscope, but they > CANNOT CHANGE THE NATURE OF THOSE RESULTS." > > I believe this is true for Pisces AC as much as for any other AC. If a > horoscope promises happy married life, no transits can change that. > That such a promise seems to be very rare these days in the western world, > no matter where AC is, is another point. > Regards and love, > Liliana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2001 Dear Tulasi, It's been said many times on this list that even enlightened ones reap the results of their karma. The difference is that they're able to remain detached from the consequences (results) of their Karma. To greet both success and failure, happiness and pain, as the impostors that they are is the constant reality of those established in the "Absolute" (God consciousness). As you rightly say; only through prayer and meditation and connecting with God (inner Self) can we truly escape the consequences of our karma. Regards, Wendy > Dear Wendy, > > You make an interesting point. I was wondering if you would mind > elaborating. Does this mean you believe that no ones destiny can be > changed and they therefore must undergo their bad karma, no matter > what they try to do about it? Or do you mean only through > prayer/meditation and connecting with God could such a change take > place? Or something else? Would love to hear your answer. > > Tulasi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2001 Dear Manoj, Spiritual expression (understanding) is a consequence of karma and has nothing to do with being a Westerner, Indian, or any other race :-) > These days, I see that the moment > a person starts reading elementary astrology, he starts talking of > spirituality. Especially in the West. Please note, these are general > comments and not meant for anyone on the list. These are my musings. Also relevant to note that Jyotish (as the knowledge of "Natural Law") is governed by 9th house, as is Religion, Philosophy, Yagyas, etc...so it's only natural that what draws one towards Jyotish also draws him towards Religion. This is independent of whether he's a Westerner or an Indian. Regards, Wendy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 22, 2001 Well, I agree with that. Tulasi gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@d...> wrote: > Dear Tulasi, > > It's been said many times on this list that even enlightened ones reap the > results of their karma. The difference is that they're able to remain > detached from the consequences (results) of their Karma. To greet both > success and failure, happiness and pain, as the impostors that they are is > the constant reality of those established in the "Absolute" (God > consciousness). As you rightly say; only through prayer and meditation and > connecting with God (inner Self) can we truly escape the consequences of our > karma. > > Regards, Wendy > > > > Dear Wendy, > > > > You make an interesting point. I was wondering if you would mind > > elaborating. Does this mean you believe that no ones destiny can be > > changed and they therefore must undergo their bad karma, no matter > > what they try to do about it? Or do you mean only through > > prayer/meditation and connecting with God could such a change take > > place? Or something else? Would love to hear your answer. > > > > Tulasi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 23, 2001 I would like to add, that I personally cannot say many come to Jyotish first and after that, spiritual. Those I know first moved into an ashrama or seriously practied their spiriutal life at home, and only many years later did they decide to learn Jyotish. Though I will agree no one should think that after reading a few elementary books that they've got it all, I just can't make that an assumption and do not feel it is only for those who are not westerners. Besides, the soul is not western, eastern or so on. It is transcendental. Tulasi gjlist, "Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@d...> wrote: > Dear Manoj, > Spiritual expression (understanding) is a consequence of karma and has > nothing to do with being a Westerner, Indian, or any other race :-) > > > These days, I see that the moment > > a person starts reading elementary astrology, he starts talking of > > spirituality. Especially in the West. Please note, these are general > > comments and not meant for anyone on the list. These are my musings. > > Also relevant to note that Jyotish (as the knowledge of "Natural Law") is > governed by 9th house, as is Religion, Philosophy, Yagyas, etc...so it's > only natural that what draws one towards Jyotish also draws him towards > Religion. This is independent of whether he's a Westerner or an Indian. > > Regards, Wendy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 23, 2001 Dear Manoj, In saggi ascendant this combination is excellent as all the 3 planets give opportunity to easy settlement in life thru profession with lot of gains. In Pisces ascendant the functional nature of Sun & Venus becomes malefic therefore this problem of relationship will occur frequently. If in Piscean ascendant Mercury,Mars,Moon are unafflicted & Venus is a strong planet then the problem in relation will mitigate. Hope this helps. With Best Wishes Narinder Juneja Sr. Astrologer www.mywebastrologer.com - Manoj Pathak <manojpathak <gjlist> Friday, June 22, 2001 5:40 PM Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures > Hello Dear Narinder, > > I was foxed and it really took some courage to write back. You had mentioned > that for Pisces ascendant, marital problems would continue to exist while in > a chart reading for Wendy or someone on the list. Basically that means that > Jupiterian ascendants would suffer on marital front as Mercury would have > frequent malefic influences. > > Correct me if I am wrong, but this is what I gathered out of your statement > in one of your posts. > > Manoj > _______________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 23, 2001 Dear Wendy/Liliana & list members, If affliction is not so dire in a nativity by malefic planets the life can be managed in all aspects thru Astral remedies, that is my experience. With Best Wishes Narinder Juneja Sr. Astrologer www.mywebastrologer.com - Wendy Vasicek <wenvas <gjlist> Saturday, June 23, 2001 7:32 AM Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures > Having never read Defouw, I can neither support nor refute what he says. But > it's a sound principle and one that applies to divisionals as well. Common > sense tells us however that what's common in transit is often (also) common > in natal chart. If we also note a Piscean has an afflicted VE and/or ME, > then the difficulties are set in concrete, so to speak. > > I have to hand two horoscopes: One has Pisces rising with Venus in 12th and > Mercury afflicted in 10th. The other has Sagittarius rising with both Venus > and Mercury in 12th. > > The Pisces native (constantly) has great difficulties in relationships...the > Sagittarius native has an extremely supportive spouse. My views are that > with Sun (Self) owning 9th house (for Sagittarian) the solutions to problems > in life, whether with spouse or any other problems, will > materialise...whereas for Pisces natives, 6th lord Sun denotes more problems > than solutions (coming from the native himself). So we do see that the > transiting planets and the natal planets are not contradictory in their > results. > > Regards, Wendy > > > Dear Wendy, > > This is the second time I mail this quote from "Light on Life" (by > > Defouw&Svoboda) to the list, but I believe reading it twice is not reading > > ot too often. > > > > "Transiting planets can activate results promised in the horoscope, but > they > > CANNOT CHANGE THE NATURE OF THOSE RESULTS." > > > > I believe this is true for Pisces AC as much as for any other AC. If a > > horoscope promises happy married life, no transits can change that. > > That such a promise seems to be very rare these days in the western world, > > no matter where AC is, is another point. > > Regards and love, > > Liliana > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 23, 2001 Dear Wendy and all list members, I feel "Light on Life" is really a must! It's a GREAT book, worth reading over and over again, and each time one discovers something new and learns from it. After this, do read "Light on Relationships" (also by Defouw&Svoboda), also GREAT! I'm most grateful to them for making the effort to pass their huge knowledge to others, and in such an understandable, yet not simplified way. Kindest regards and love, Liliana >"Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas >gjlist ><gjlist> >Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures >Sat, 23 Jun 2001 10:02:48 +0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [64.211.240.232] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBCFD4314009A4004389240D3F0E8824384; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:02:52 -0700 >Received: from [10.1.4.52] by fk. with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2001 >02:02:40 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 23 Jun 2001 02:02:40 -0000 >Received: (qmail 94340 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2001 02:02:39 -0000 >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by m8.onelist.org with QMQP; 23 Jun >2001 02:02:39 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au) (203.2.75.231) by >mta3 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2001 02:02:38 -0000 >Received: from wenvas (perax4-152.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.81.152]) >by mail007.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5N22ZC09039 >for <gjlist>; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:02:35 +1000 >From sentto-490438-6020-993261760-astrolila Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:04:42 -0700 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-490438-6020-993261760-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) >X-Sender: wenvas >X-Apparently-gjlist >Message-ID: <003901c0fb88$9aa1e880$98518ec6@wenvas> >References: <F241VuMhvqgStMVhEUs000002ee >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact >gjlist-owner >Delivered-mailing list gjlist >Precedence: bulk >List-Un: <gjlist> > >Having never read Defouw, I can neither support nor refute what he says. >But >it's a sound principle and one that applies to divisionals as well. Common >sense tells us however that what's common in transit is often (also) common >in natal chart. If we also note a Piscean has an afflicted VE and/or ME, >then the difficulties are set in concrete, so to speak. > >I have to hand two horoscopes: One has Pisces rising with Venus in 12th and >Mercury afflicted in 10th. The other has Sagittarius rising with both Venus >and Mercury in 12th. > >The Pisces native (constantly) has great difficulties in >relationships...the >Sagittarius native has an extremely supportive spouse. My views are that >with Sun (Self) owning 9th house (for Sagittarian) the solutions to >problems >in life, whether with spouse or any other problems, will >materialise...whereas for Pisces natives, 6th lord Sun denotes more >problems >than solutions (coming from the native himself). So we do see that the >transiting planets and the natal planets are not contradictory in their >results. > >Regards, Wendy > > > Dear Wendy, > > This is the second time I mail this quote from "Light on Life" (by > > Defouw&Svoboda) to the list, but I believe reading it twice is not >reading > > ot too often. > > > > "Transiting planets can activate results promised in the horoscope, but >they > > CANNOT CHANGE THE NATURE OF THOSE RESULTS." > > > > I believe this is true for Pisces AC as much as for any other AC. If a > > horoscope promises happy married life, no transits can change that. > > That such a promise seems to be very rare these days in the western >world, > > no matter where AC is, is another point. > > Regards and love, > > Liliana > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 23, 2001 Dear Wendy, According to what I've read sofar, and according to the charts of astrologers which I've seen, astrological knowledge is a matter of the 8th house. Of course strong 9th house supports this and is in a way a condition for being really good as an astrologer, but still, no matter how strong the 9th, without the connection between the houses of knowledge and profession with the 8th house, a person won't become an astrologer. Regards and love, Liliana >"Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas >gjlist ><gjlist> >Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures >Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:39:44 +0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from [208.50.144.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id >MHotMailBCFD6853009E4004325FD032904E2AD1124; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:40:07 >-0700 >Received: from [10.1.4.56] by mo. with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2001 >04:39:38 -0000 >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 23 Jun 2001 04:39:37 -0000 >Received: (qmail 21046 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2001 04:39:36 -0000 >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10. with QMQP; 23 Jun >2001 04:39:36 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au) (203.2.75.229) by >mta3 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2001 04:39:35 -0000 >Received: from wenvas (perax3-035.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.80.35]) >by mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5N4dWQ30589 >for <gjlist>; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:39:32 +1000 >From sentto-490438-6022-993271178-astrolila Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:41:02 -0700 >X-eGroups-Return: >sentto-490438-6022-993271178-astrolila=hotmail.com (AT) returns (DOT) >X-Sender: wenvas >X-Apparently-gjlist >Message-ID: <004201c0fb9e$8773ed60$23508ec6@wenvas> >References: <LAW2-F71maEqxGGmNN700004ff1 >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact >gjlist-owner >Delivered-mailing list gjlist >Precedence: bulk >List-Un: <gjlist> > >Dear Manoj, >Spiritual expression (understanding) is a consequence of karma and has >nothing to do with being a Westerner, Indian, or any other race :-) > > > These days, I see that the moment > > a person starts reading elementary astrology, he starts talking of > > spirituality. Especially in the West. Please note, these are general > > comments and not meant for anyone on the list. These are my musings. > >Also relevant to note that Jyotish (as the knowledge of "Natural Law") is >governed by 9th house, as is Religion, Philosophy, Yagyas, etc...so it's >only natural that what draws one towards Jyotish also draws him towards >Religion. This is independent of whether he's a Westerner or an Indian. > >Regards, Wendy > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 23, 2001 Namaste Wendy & Liliana, Actually for an Astrologer Jupiter is the planet. Mercury is secondary significator, and they (esp. Ju) should have connection to houses 2, 5, 8 & 11 or the Panapharas in D24 the Chart for Knowledge/Learning and D10 the chart of Profession/Work/Action in Society. The question now is why the Panapharas???? We all know that houses 1, 5 & 9 constitute the Dharma Trikona(Trine). Here, the 1H represents the Present. 9H represents the Past. 5H represents the future. Furthermore, we know Quadrants are VishnuSthanas and provide mutual sustainance and hence Quadrants from the 5H provide sustainance for Future(Envisioning etc). Therefore, houses 2, 5, 8 & 11 are important for Astrologers. Hope this Helps, Regards Narayan gjlist, "Liliana Sucur Perisic" <astrolila@h...> wrote: > > Dear Wendy, > According to what I've read sofar, and according to the charts of > astrologers which I've seen, astrological knowledge is a matter of the 8th > house. Of course strong 9th house supports this and is in a way a condition > for being really good as an astrologer, but still, no matter how strong the > 9th, without the connection between the houses of knowledge and profession > with the 8th house, a person won't become an astrologer. > Regards and love, > Liliana > > >"Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@d...> > >gjlist > ><gjlist> > >Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures > >Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:39:44 +0800 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from [208.50.144.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > >MHotMailBCFD6853009E4004325FD032904E2AD1124; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:40:07 > >-0700 > >Received: from [10.1.4.56] by mo. with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2001 > >04:39:38 -0000 > >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 23 Jun 2001 04:39:37 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 21046 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2001 04:39:36 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10. with QMQP; 23 Jun > >2001 04:39:36 -0000 > >Received: from unknown (HELO mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au) (203.2.75.229) by > >mta3 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2001 04:39:35 -0000 > >Received: from wenvas (perax3-035.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.80.35]) > >by mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5N4dWQ30589 > >for <gjlist>; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:39:32 +1000 > >From sentto-490438-6022-993271178-astrolila Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:41:02 -0700 > >X-eGroups-Return: > >sentto-490438-6022-993271178-astrolila=hotmail.com@r... > >X-Sender: wenvas@d... > >X-Apparently-gjlist > >Message-ID: <004201c0fb9e$8773ed60$23508ec6@wenvas> > >References: <LAW2-F71maEqxGGmNN700004ff1@h...> > >X-Priority: 3 > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact > >gjlist-owner > >Delivered-mailing list gjlist > >Precedence: bulk > >List-Un: <gjlist-> > > > >Dear Manoj, > >Spiritual expression (understanding) is a consequence of karma and has > >nothing to do with being a Westerner, Indian, or any other race :-) > > > > > These days, I see that the moment > > > a person starts reading elementary astrology, he starts talking of > > > spirituality. Especially in the West. Please note, these are general > > > comments and not meant for anyone on the list. These are my musings. > > > >Also relevant to note that Jyotish (as the knowledge of "Natural Law") is > >governed by 9th house, as is Religion, Philosophy, Yagyas, etc...so it's > >only natural that what draws one towards Jyotish also draws him towards > >Religion. This is independent of whether he's a Westerner or an Indian. > > > >Regards, Wendy > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > _______________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 23, 2001 Dear Liliana, I agree with the need for strong 8th house (past & future events), however many fortune tellers, psychics etc have the same. I think I made the distinction when I said "Jyotish (as the knowledge of natural law)"...let's face it, there are countless astrologers who have absolutely no knowledge of natural law. Regards, Wendy > > Dear Wendy, > According to what I've read sofar, and according to the charts of > astrologers which I've seen, astrological knowledge is a matter of the 8th > house. Of course strong 9th house supports this and is in a way a condition > for being really good as an astrologer, but still, no matter how strong the > 9th, without the connection between the houses of knowledge and profession > with the 8th house, a person won't become an astrologer. > Regards and love, > Liliana Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2001 Dear Wendy Even though it this makes some sense, what would happen with capricorn lagna when moon rules 7th? does that mean that at least once a month due to its conjunction with sun, a partner would die or suffer death like experiences? I beleive this is too general... Best wishes, Zoran Wendy Vasicek wrote: > Dear Manoj, > > For both Pisces and Sagittarius (Jupiterian ascendants) Mercury owns the 7th > house of marriage. As it happens that Mercury, Venus and Sun are often > conjunct during their transit we can see that the two significators of > marriage/spouse (ME/VE) will often be combust. > > For Pisces ascendant Sun is lord of 6th house of disputes, difficulties, > struggles etc...it's easy to see then how Pisces natives may often have > difficulties in their relationships due to these transits. Sagittarius > natives on the other hand will see a different outcome from this conjunction > as Sun is lord of 9th house. > > So generally speaking, Sagittarius natives will enjoy smoother relationships > than Pisces natives...it makes sense. > > Regards, Wendy > > > You had mentioned > > that for Pisces ascendant, marital problems would continue to exist while > in > > a chart reading for Wendy or someone on the list. Basically that means > that > > Jupiterian ascendants would suffer on marital front as Mercury would have > > frequent malefic influences. > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but this is what I gathered out of your > statement > > in one of your posts. > > > > Manoj > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2001 Dear Wendy, > I have to hand two horoscopes: One has Pisces rising with Venus in 12th and> Mercury afflicted in 10th. The other has Sagittarius rising with both Venus > and Mercury in 12th. > > The Pisces native (constantly) has great difficulties in relationships...the > Sagittarius native has an extremely supportive spouse. My views are that > with Sun (Self) owning 9th house (for Sagittarian) the solutions to problems > in life, whether with spouse or any other problems, will > materialise...whereas for Pisces natives, 6th lord Sun denotes more problems > than solutions (coming from the native himself). So we do see that the > transiting planets and the natal planets are not contradictory in their > results. Let's leave transits aside for the time being. Meen lagna have kanya in 7th house, ruled by Budha which is often too close to surya, thus absorbing sun rays which is ruler of 6th house. Dhanu lagna budh is often under the influence of surya ruler of 9th house giving rise to very powerful Dharma Karma adhipati yoga. This has nothing to do with transits, but with natal chart positions Best wishes, Zoran. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2001 Dear Narayan, 5th house represents past karma & 9th house represents future. I think this would clarify. With Best Wishes Narinder Juneja Sr. Astrologer www.mywebastrologer.com - Narayan Iyer <narayaniyer <gjlist> Sunday, June 24, 2001 2:22 AM [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures > Namaste Wendy & Liliana, > > Actually for an Astrologer Jupiter is the planet. Mercury is secondary significator, and they (esp. Ju) should have connection to houses 2, 5, 8 & 11 or the Panapharas in D24 the Chart for Knowledge/Learning and D10 the chart of Profession/Work/Action in Society. > > The question now is why the Panapharas???? > > > We all know that houses 1, 5 & 9 constitute the Dharma Trikona(Trine). > > Here, the > > 1H represents the Present. > 9H represents the Past. > 5H represents the future. > > Furthermore, we know Quadrants are VishnuSthanas and provide mutual sustainance and hence Quadrants from the 5H provide sustainance for Future(Envisioning etc). > > Therefore, houses 2, 5, 8 & 11 are important for Astrologers. > > Hope this Helps, > > Regards > Narayan > > > > > gjlist, "Liliana Sucur Perisic" <astrolila@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Wendy, > > According to what I've read sofar, and according to the charts of > > astrologers which I've seen, astrological knowledge is a matter of the 8th > > house. Of course strong 9th house supports this and is in a way a condition > > for being really good as an astrologer, but still, no matter how strong the > > 9th, without the connection between the houses of knowledge and profession > > with the 8th house, a person won't become an astrologer. > > Regards and love, > > Liliana > > > > >"Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@d...> > > >gjlist > > ><gjlist> > > >Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures > > >Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:39:44 +0800 > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > >Received: from [208.50.144.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > >MHotMailBCFD6853009E4004325FD032904E2AD1124; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:40:07 > > >-0700 > > >Received: from [10.1.4.56] by mo. with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2001 > > >04:39:38 -0000 > > >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 23 Jun 2001 04:39:37 -0000 > > >Received: (qmail 21046 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2001 04:39:36 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10. with QMQP; 23 Jun > > >2001 04:39:36 -0000 > > >Received: from unknown (HELO mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au) (203.2.75.229) by > > >mta3 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2001 04:39:35 -0000 > > >Received: from wenvas (perax3-035.dialup.optusnet.com.au [198.142.80.35]) > > >by mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f5N4dWQ30589 > > >for <gjlist>; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:39:32 +1000 > > >From sentto-490438-6022-993271178-astrolila Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:41:02 -0700 > > >X-eGroups-Return: > > >sentto-490438-6022-993271178-astrolila=hotmail.com@r... > > >X-Sender: wenvas@d... > > >X-Apparently-gjlist > > >Message-ID: <004201c0fb9e$8773ed60$23508ec6@wenvas> > > >References: <LAW2-F71maEqxGGmNN700004ff1@h...> > > >X-Priority: 3 > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact > > >gjlist-owner > > >Delivered-mailing list gjlist > > >Precedence: bulk > > >List-Un: <gjlist-> > > > > > >Dear Manoj, > > >Spiritual expression (understanding) is a consequence of karma and has > > >nothing to do with being a Westerner, Indian, or any other race :-) > > > > > > > These days, I see that the moment > > > > a person starts reading elementary astrology, he starts talking of > > > > spirituality. Especially in the West. Please note, these are general > > > > comments and not meant for anyone on the list. These are my musings. > > > > > >Also relevant to note that Jyotish (as the knowledge of "Natural Law") is > > >governed by 9th house, as is Religion, Philosophy, Yagyas, etc...so it's > > >only natural that what draws one towards Jyotish also draws him towards > > >Religion. This is independent of whether he's a Westerner or an Indian. > > > > > >Regards, Wendy > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > _______________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2001 Dear Zoran, You know as well as I do that 8th house signifies many things other than death (or death like suffering). It is the house of battles as we know...it is also the house of shared income, etc...also important to remember that Venus is yogakaraka for this Lagna. When I gave the examples of Pisces/Sagittarius natives, they both had VE & 7th lord suffering some affliction. All horoscopes must be judged on their own merits as has been said many times before. Regards, Wendy > Dear Wendy > Even though it this makes some sense, what would happen with capricorn > lagna > when moon rules 7th? does that mean that at least once a month due to > its > conjunction with sun, a partner would die or suffer death like > experiences? > I beleive this is too general... > Best wishes, > Zoran Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
