Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2001 Hello Visti, Battleground, Battles, Disunion, Forts, etc = 8th Struggles, Obstacles, Enemies, Competitors = 6th I can mail you the reference privately if you like :-) Regards, Wendy > Dear Wendy, Namaste. > Sorry for my attentiveness, but battles and struggle are not the same. Battles in which we encounter an enemy is seen from the 6th house, and the 8th shows struggle. The 7th house associated with the 8th gives short lasting marriages. Many malefics in 8th kills the first spouse. > > Best wishes, Visti. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2001 Dear Narinder, I beg to differ here. The 1H repsresent self and hence present, the 5H the kids hence the Future, and the 9H represents Father and hence Past. Regards Narayan gjlist, "Narinder Juneja" <pbk@N...> wrote: > Dear Narayan, > > 5th house represents past karma & 9th house represents future. I think this > would clarify. > > With Best Wishes > > Narinder Juneja > Sr. Astrologer > www.mywebastrologer.com > - > Narayan Iyer <narayaniyer@v...> > <gjlist> > Sunday, June 24, 2001 2:22 AM > [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures > > > > Namaste Wendy & Liliana, > > > > Actually for an Astrologer Jupiter is the planet. Mercury is secondary > significator, and they (esp. Ju) should have connection to houses 2, 5, 8 & > 11 or the Panapharas in D24 the Chart for Knowledge/Learning and D10 the > chart of Profession/Work/Action in Society. > > > > The question now is why the Panapharas???? > > > > > > We all know that houses 1, 5 & 9 constitute the Dharma Trikona(Trine). > > > > Here, the > > > > 1H represents the Present. > > 9H represents the Past. > > 5H represents the future. > > > > Furthermore, we know Quadrants are VishnuSthanas and provide mutual > sustainance and hence Quadrants from the 5H provide sustainance for > Future(Envisioning etc). > > > > Therefore, houses 2, 5, 8 & 11 are important for Astrologers. > > > > Hope this Helps, > > > > Regards > > Narayan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist, "Liliana Sucur Perisic" <astrolila@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Wendy, > > > According to what I've read sofar, and according to the charts of > > > astrologers which I've seen, astrological knowledge is a matter of the > 8th > > > house. Of course strong 9th house supports this and is in a way a > condition > > > for being really good as an astrologer, but still, no matter how strong > the > > > 9th, without the connection between the houses of knowledge and > profession > > > with the 8th house, a person won't become an astrologer. > > > Regards and love, > > > Liliana > > > > > > >"Wendy Vasicek" <wenvas@d...> > > > >gjlist > > > ><gjlist> > > > >Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures > > > >Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:39:44 +0800 > > > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > >Received: from [208.50.144.78] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id > > > >MHotMailBCFD6853009E4004325FD032904E2AD1124; Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:40:07 > > > >-0700 > > > >Received: from [10.1.4.56] by mo. with NNFMP; 23 Jun 2001 > > > >04:39:38 -0000 > > > >Received: (EGP: mail-7_1_3); 23 Jun 2001 04:39:37 -0000 > > > >Received: (qmail 21046 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2001 > 04:39:36 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (10.1.10.142) by l10. with QMQP; 23 > Jun > > > >2001 04:39:36 -0000 > > > >Received: from unknown (HELO mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au) > (203.2.75.229) by > > > >mta3 with SMTP; 23 Jun 2001 04:39:35 -0000 > > > >Received: from wenvas (perax3-035.dialup.optusnet.com.au > [198.142.80.35]) > > > >by mail005.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id > f5N4dWQ30589 > > > >for <gjlist>; Sat, 23 Jun 2001 14:39:32 +1000 > > > >From sentto-490438-6022-993271178-astrolila Fri, 22 Jun 2001 > 21:41:02 -0700 > > > >X-eGroups-Return: > > > >sentto-490438-6022-993271178-astrolila=hotmail.com@r... > > > >X-Sender: wenvas@d... > > > >X-Apparently-gjlist > > > >Message-ID: <004201c0fb9e$8773ed60$23508ec6@wenvas> > > > >References: <LAW2-F71maEqxGGmNN700004ff1@h...> > > > >X-Priority: 3 > > > >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 > > > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > > >Mailing-List: list gjlist; contact > > > >gjlist-owner > > > >Delivered-mailing list gjlist > > > >Precedence: bulk > > > >List-Un: <gjlist-> > > > > > > > >Dear Manoj, > > > >Spiritual expression (understanding) is a consequence of karma and has > > > >nothing to do with being a Westerner, Indian, or any other race :-) > > > > > > > > > These days, I see that the moment > > > > > a person starts reading elementary astrology, he starts talking of > > > > > spirituality. Especially in the West. Please note, these are general > > > > > comments and not meant for anyone on the list. These are my musings. > > > > > > > >Also relevant to note that Jyotish (as the knowledge of "Natural Law") > is > > > >governed by 9th house, as is Religion, Philosophy, Yagyas, etc...so > it's > > > >only natural that what draws one towards Jyotish also draws him towards > > > >Religion. This is independent of whether he's a Westerner or an Indian. > > > > > > > >Regards, Wendy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2001 With all due respect I must disagree with both Narinder and Narayan on this, sorry! 9th house (Dharma) shows rewards (or not) from past karma. 10th house (Karma) shows actions in this life. Regards, Wendy > Dear Narinder, > > I beg to differ here. The 1H repsresent self and hence present, the 5H the kids hence the Future, and the 9H represents Father and hence Past. > > Regards > Narayan > > gjlist, "Narinder Juneja" <pbk@N...> wrote: > > Dear Narayan, > > > > 5th house represents past karma & 9th house represents future. I think this > > would clarify. > > > > With Best Wishes > > > > Narinder Juneja Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 25, 2001 Dear Wendy, I read your mails today morning when I came back from Jaipur in India, where I was invited to participate in a Workshop on Mundane Astrology. I will try and answer them one by one : You equate Karmas with administration of Insulin. I don't. For me Karmas mean improving the life to come. For the present life, we already have brought our bank-balance with us and we know what ills we have to suffer and what ills can be over-come and what cannot be overcome. So the statement you made may appear appealing for those who believe in short term gains and not for those who look for long term gains. Ok, no more on this, as I have time and again made my views totally clear. All these Yantras, Kavachas, Gems have no meaning for me and I have seen people amassing money through these remedies and still calling themselves pious and researchers in astrology. They do not know the essence of astrology. (It's a general comment, not in particular about anyone). Part II : What to talk of Pisces or Saggittarius. Look at each lagna, no seventh lord for any lagna is lagna's friend. God made Lagna (Self) and Seventh (Spouse) as enemies, hahahha. My dear friend, can you generalise astrology like that. Try these very simple rules for finding out disturbance in marriage. i) Affliction to lagna ii) Affliction to seventh house/lord iii) Afflication to Venus Repeat this in navamsha and you have a clear picture. Combustion of Venus and Mercury in transit shall have no bearing on one's marital happiness so only I have often said that the so called neo-researches is only distorting astrology and not supporting it. Each horoscope is different from other and has to be analysed in individuality. I have often seen statements like Lord of Disputes (6th house) disturbing house of marriage. Here again, if the seventh lord is in sixth but if he is a benefic and benefically aspected, there would be no disturbance in marriage. with best regards, Manoj _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 26, 2001 Dear Manoj, I do understand your views on this and repect the passion behind your arguments. The point is Manoj, you could well be right and I wrong...at the moment though we seem to be looking at things through different eyes :-) My Best Wishes to you always, Wendy > Dear Wendy, > > I read your mails today morning when I came back from Jaipur in India, where > I was invited to participate in a Workshop on Mundane Astrology. I will try > and answer them one by one : > > You equate Karmas with administration of Insulin. I don't. For me Karmas > mean improving the life to come. For the present life, we already have > brought our bank-balance with us and we know what ills we have to suffer and > what ills can be over-come and what cannot be overcome. So the statement you > made may appear appealing for those who believe in short term gains and not > for those who look for long term gains. Ok, no more on this, as I have time > and again made my views totally clear. All these Yantras, Kavachas, Gems > have no meaning for me and I have seen people amassing money through these > remedies and still calling themselves pious and researchers in astrology. > They do not know the essence of astrology. (It's a general comment, not in > particular about anyone). > > Part II : What to talk of Pisces or Saggittarius. Look at each lagna, no > seventh lord for any lagna is lagna's friend. God made Lagna (Self) and > Seventh (Spouse) as enemies, hahahha. My dear friend, can you generalise > astrology like that. Try these very simple rules for finding out disturbance > in marriage. > > i) Affliction to lagna > ii) Affliction to seventh house/lord > iii) Afflication to Venus > > Repeat this in navamsha and you have a clear picture. Combustion of Venus > and Mercury in transit shall have no bearing on one's marital happiness so > only I have often said that the so called neo-researches is only distorting > astrology and not supporting it. Each horoscope is different from other and > has to be analysed in individuality. I have often seen statements like Lord > of Disputes (6th house) disturbing house of marriage. Here again, if the > seventh lord is in sixth but if he is a benefic and benefically aspected, > there would be no disturbance in marriage. > > with best regards, > > Manoj Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 26, 2001 Dear Mr. Narinder, For Saggitarius : Mercury is 7th & 10th Lord. Sun in 9th Lord and Venus is 6th & 2nd Lord. Do you mean to say that a combination of 6th and 2nd lord is going to improve marital happiness. For Pisces : Sun is 6th lord. Mercury 4th and 7th lord. and Venus is 3rd and 8th lord. So now the statement qualifies but to say that Mercury and Venus would be regularly combust in transit does not qualify. Transit is secondary not primary. Because transits take place every year, say for marriage, but do you marry every year. Transits for child birth similarly are present, but do you get a child birth. Even in cases where child birth is denied, transit would continue to take place, but would they get children. Please redefine your theories and if this is the research on 50,000 charts, then Thanks. Manoj >"Narinder Juneja" <pbk >gjlist ><gjlist> >Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures >Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:01:05 +0530 > >Dear Manoj, > >In saggi ascendant this combination is excellent as all the 3 planets give >opportunity to easy settlement in life thru profession with lot of gains. >In >Pisces ascendant the functional nature of Sun & Venus becomes malefic >therefore this problem of relationship will occur frequently. > >If in Piscean ascendant Mercury,Mars,Moon are unafflicted & Venus is a >strong planet then the problem in relation will mitigate. > >Hope this helps. > >With Best Wishes > >Narinder Juneja >Sr. Astrologer >www.mywebastrologer.com >- >Manoj Pathak <manojpathak ><gjlist> >Friday, June 22, 2001 5:40 PM >Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures > > > > Hello Dear Narinder, > > > > I was foxed and it really took some courage to write back. You had >mentioned > > that for Pisces ascendant, marital problems would continue to exist >while >in > > a chart reading for Wendy or someone on the list. Basically that means >that > > Jupiterian ascendants would suffer on marital front as Mercury would >have > > frequent malefic influences. > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but this is what I gathered out of your >statement > > in one of your posts. > > > > Manoj > > >_______________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 26, 2001 Dear Manoj, As far as arguments concern I dont beleive in it, I am very satisfied with my results and in my opinion learning requires patience , nothing else. With Best Wishes Narinder Juneja Sr. Astrologer www.mywebastrologer.com - Manoj Pathak <manojpathak <gjlist> Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:52 AM Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures > Dear Mr. Narinder, > > For Saggitarius : Mercury is 7th & 10th Lord. Sun in 9th Lord and Venus is > 6th & 2nd Lord. Do you mean to say that a combination of 6th and 2nd lord is > going to improve marital happiness. > > For Pisces : Sun is 6th lord. Mercury 4th and 7th lord. and Venus is 3rd and > 8th lord. So now the statement qualifies but to say that Mercury and Venus > would be regularly combust in transit does not qualify. Transit is secondary > not primary. Because transits take place every year, say for marriage, but > do you marry every year. Transits for child birth similarly are present, but > do you get a child birth. Even in cases where child birth is denied, transit > would continue to take place, but would they get children. > > Please redefine your theories and if this is the research on 50,000 charts, > then Thanks. > > Manoj > > > >"Narinder Juneja" <pbk > >gjlist > ><gjlist> > >Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures > >Sat, 23 Jun 2001 12:01:05 +0530 > > > >Dear Manoj, > > > >In saggi ascendant this combination is excellent as all the 3 planets give > >opportunity to easy settlement in life thru profession with lot of gains. > >In > >Pisces ascendant the functional nature of Sun & Venus becomes malefic > >therefore this problem of relationship will occur frequently. > > > >If in Piscean ascendant Mercury,Mars,Moon are unafflicted & Venus is a > >strong planet then the problem in relation will mitigate. > > > >Hope this helps. > > > >With Best Wishes > > > >Narinder Juneja > >Sr. Astrologer > >www.mywebastrologer.com > >- > >Manoj Pathak <manojpathak > ><gjlist> > >Friday, June 22, 2001 5:40 PM > >Re: [gjlist] Re: Remedial Measures > > > > > > > Hello Dear Narinder, > > > > > > I was foxed and it really took some courage to write back. You had > >mentioned > > > that for Pisces ascendant, marital problems would continue to exist > >while > >in > > > a chart reading for Wendy or someone on the list. Basically that means > >that > > > Jupiterian ascendants would suffer on marital front as Mercury would > >have > > > frequent malefic influences. > > > > > > Correct me if I am wrong, but this is what I gathered out of your > >statement > > > in one of your posts. > > > > > > Manoj > > > > >_______________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > >http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > _______________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 26, 2001 Dear Narinder, Good to hear that it is patience which gives learning. Keep it up. Manoj _______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 26, 2001 In a message dated 6/26/2001 4:19:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, manojpathak writes: > Part II : What to talk of Pisces or Saggittarius. Look at each lagna, no > seventh lord for any lagna is lagna's friend. God made Lagna (Self) and > Seventh (Spouse) as enemies, hahahha. My dear friend, can you generalise > astrology like that. Try these very simple rules for finding out > disturbance > in marriage Hmmmm. Guess that's why marriage is called an institution. Robin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 26, 2001 What if the 7th lord is conjunct the Lagna? >>> PHURRBALL3 06/26/01 11:00AM >>> In a message dated 6/26/2001 4:19:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, manojpathak writes: > Part II : What to talk of Pisces or Saggittarius. Look at each lagna, no > seventh lord for any lagna is lagna's friend. God made Lagna (Self) and > Seventh (Spouse) as enemies, hahahha. My dear friend, can you generalise > astrology like that. Try these very simple rules for finding out > disturbance > in marriage Hmmmm. Guess that's why marriage is called an institution. Robin gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted June 29, 2001 In a message dated 6/19/2001 10:21:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ahimsa writes: > Consequently, most often I advise fasting on the days ruled by certain > grahas. > For example in case of any marital disourd fasting on days ruled by lord of > Upapada Lagna brings immediate releif and wanders happen. In my own > experience > of advicing fast in the course of two previous years, many people felt > tremendous benefit by fasting. So it is somehow, most acceptable to general > population Dear Zoran, That's pretty fascinating! got to try this! --one question: when you say "on days ruled by lord of Upapada Lagna" would that be Monday for Moon, for example, or Rohini-Hasta-Sravana? Thanks, Robin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
