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Thats pretty nice and easy going explanation. to logically conclude "endeavours performed without selfish desires in the name of god is called karma yoga " It has given me a new outlook to the things i do Thanks freinds Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala /images/graemlins/laugh.gif! Srivats

Be neutral , dont over react to anything , be calm and humble to everyone around you. You dont have to change anyone , neither you need to change yourself. Again you may ask question - if you are in rome be rome , yet that is true, but the ajustment you do should be to an extend that does not ruin your own nature. Jus pray and chant his name , he will coem to you for the rest ! Madhava Kesva Madhana Gopala /images/graemlins/laugh.gif Srivats

I went through this, but still i have clear doubt what is karma yoga , please forgive my ignorance pls tell me in your term and simple terms. Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala /images/graemlins/smile.gif Srivats

Is doing ones duty in the name of god and not expecting anything in return is Karma Yoga ? Can someone please explain in simple terms. I am in very basic in spirituality and i need all your help in understanding things better. Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala /images/graemlins/smile.gif Srivats

A man and his dog walk into a bar. The man proclaims, "I'll bet you a round of drinks that my dog can talk." Bartender: "Yeah! Sure...go ahead." Man: "What covers a house?" Dog: "Roof!" Man: "How does sandpaper feel?" Dog: "Rough!" Man: "Who was the greatest ball player of all time?" Dog: "Ruth!" Man: "Pay up. I told you he could talk." The bartender, annoyed at this point, throws both of them out the door. Sitting on the sidewalk, the dog looks at the guy and says, "or is the greatest player Mantle?" Madhanva Kesava Madhana Gopala /images/graemlins/laugh.gif Srivats

IT Profiles of God--------------------------- Brahma : Systems Installation Vishnu : Systems Support Lakshmi : Finance and Accounts consultant (SAP) Shiva : DBA (crash specialist) Ganesh : Documentation specialist Narada : Data Transfer Brihaspathi : Chief Information Officer. Yama : ReOrganisation Consultant ChitraGupta : Personnel Records Apsaras : Downloadable Viruses Devas : Y2k Programmers Surya : Solaris adminstrator Rakshasas : In house Hackers Ram : Hardware Support - single user specialist Lakshman : Support software and Backup Ravan : Internet Explorer - WWW Hanuman : RS6000 Vali : Windows 98 Sugreeva : Win 95 Angadh : Win 3.1 Jambhuvan : DOS Vishwamitra : Sr.Manager Projects Hastinapur : Silicon Valley Arjun : Lead Programer (all Companies are Vying for him) Abhimanyu : Trainee Programmer Draupadi : Web server - free access (Shareware) Bhima : MAIN FRAME Duryodhan : Microsoft product written in VB Shakuni : Bill Gates Karna : Contract Programmer Shikandi : Steve Jobbs 100 Kauravas : Microsoft Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala /images/graemlins/laugh.gif Srivats

Thanks for trying this out ! Its all nothing but the same old story we heared in the childhood. Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pile...... ha ha Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala Srivats

Hi, I am sorry i didnt get you ! Madhava KEsava Madhana Gopala Srivats

I have been taught from childhood Matha , Pitha , Guru and theyvam ( god ) And for me my mom is everything and i think performing my duties to her is the first and formost thing in this world. I have also ehared stories about god being kept on wait ( none but our krishna , wehre he as aked to stand in a stone ) til a women served her husband ( if ai not right ) where it is considered that husband is everything for women . Do god accept those who are not giving first prefernce to him ? Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala /images/graemlins/laugh.gif Srivats

Whoever posted this, My dear friend i am open to say that i am exaclty same as you are........ /images/graemlins/frown.gif I know we cannot live in house which is soo dirty and rubbish, How can we expect god to be in our mind , if our mind is rubbish and too bad to let him come and stay. I have gone thru all replies to get what i want. Let me know have u came out of it. Thats a imp news for me. Madhava KEsava Madhana Gopala /images/graemlins/laugh.gif Srivats

Hi Ethos, Jus out of my curiosity to know things /images/graemlins/grin.gif, can you explain me whats the picture ( i think the legs of vishnu , with some meaningful figures ) in your profile means ? Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala /images/graemlins/laugh.gif Srivats

I think u are lucky experiencing this. May god come to you one day to enlighten you. May you see him and share with us what he really is. My posting seems to be very childish , but this is what i actually feel . Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala. /images/graemlins/smile.gif Srivats

Hi shyam, Thanks for your answers , it convinced me a litte, but still i do have lot of queries on each part of it. May be somethings in life has no answer. One thing which is out of this conversation which impresed me about you ------------------- "Never give room for such thoughts or even encourage in such a person and hurt the other person emotionally later giving false hopes. " ------------ whether it has got something to do with you or not, /images/graemlins/wink.gif that concept of not making hope to another person if you dont like them is simply good ! Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala /images/graemlins/laugh.gif Srivats

Do you think you know English? Try this one. Can you decipher this (into plain English) and try to match it with another incident that all of us already know of? A research team proceeded towards the apex of a natural geologic protuberance, the purpose of their expedition being the procurement of a sample of fluid hydride of oxygen in a large vessel, the exact size of which was unspecified. One member of the team precipitously descended, sustaining severe damage to the upper cranial portion of his anatomical structure; subsequently the second member of the team performed a self-rotational translation oriented in the same direction taken by the first team member. (in simple English how do you translate this?) If anyone knows reply this, or else i will give the answer tomarrow .. its very simple ! Madhanva Kesava Madhana Gopala /images/graemlins/laugh.gif Srivats

Sorry guys I forgot to login , Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala Srivats

------ The very fact that you have started this thread proves that you have concern that you might do something wrong (may be by mistake). But one thing is certain that there is some concern regarding this in you. ---------- Yes it is to me and for everyone on this earth , isnt it ? ------- The answer is that if you are really in such a situation that you are justified in doing what is usually considered as wrong, then you will not feel bad in doing that. -------- Please consider my point , whatever i think good or bad is also from the materialistic knowledge i have got from the society and people around the world . But then i am not totally errofree in judging what is good or what is bad , but as far as i understand from your script that , we may not feel guilty in doing things which are good to us . But people who are doin bad things continously are free from gulity ( feeling bad ) , otherwise they are not goin to reopeat it. Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala Srivats

in reply to ----------- you are being guided by god ,paramatma, god within, to your suitable destination for the elevation of your consciousness. -------------- IF i am being guided by him , for every action then isnt he is responsible for whatever my action is ?? ----------- Karma is the reaction to your actions --------------- what kind of reaction it is either good or bad ?? ----------- suitable destination for the elevation of your consciousness. ----------- sometimes i am jus confused by hearing elevation of consciousness . what does this really mean , although i know its all about knowing what are u , still i wanted to confirm that. --------- it is a process of gradual purification of consciousness, this is the point. --------- if this is soo ? then why we are taking birth ( insted of attaining salvation) based on the karma . ------- so god decides , what is best for you,period ------- i do believe he has best for me always !! but then he has kept different thing for diff people , do we say he knows that the best thing a poor , or blindl ppl or a prostitute can get in thier life ?? i am sorry i dont want to start a debate but , i want to get answers for these questions. thanks to u dear friend. Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala ! Srivats

Two morons stand on a cliff with their arms outstretched. One has some budgies lined up on each arm, the other has parrots lined up on his arms. After a couple of minutes, they both leap off the cliff and fall to the ground. Laying next to each other in intensive care at the hospital, one moron says to the other, "I don't think much of this budgie jumping." The other moron replies, "Yeah, I'm not too keen on this paragliding either." Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala !

1. It's not a laugh to practice barking at 3a.m. 2. It's wrong to back Grandma into a corner and guard her. 3. He shouldn't jump on your bed when he's sopping wet. 4. The cats have every right to be in the living room. 5. Barking at guests 10 minutes after they arrive is stupid 6. Getting up does NOT mean we are going for a walk 7. Just because I'm eating, doesn't mean you can. 8. If you look at me with those big soppy eyes, I'm not going to give in and feed you. NOT NOT NOT. Oh, ok, just this once. 9. No, it's my food....Oh alright then, just a small piece Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala !

My dear freind, Mind is creator of all ideas/ thoughts, it is proved that in a minute it can think atleast 20 things, All these can be fitted into 4 category 1.Good 2.Bad 3.Higher 4.Lower but we are not utilizing all these ideas, and its getting waste , if we are able to produce only one or two ideas those will not get wasted, this is very hard to do and if do that whatever we think will be fulfilled. Rishis and great saints produce only one thoght , the thinking about god. in other hand our heart knows what is good and what is bad , heart know what to do and what not do to , heart always goes for right, even if you do wrong heart will make u feel guilty. For some persons heart and mind are same , for some its not , its always good to go by heart and not by mind Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala

My dear friend. The first thing i would say about you is, You are soo lucky being atheist , yes you are ! i have heared in one of the vedantic lectures that the person who says god doesnot exists , always thinks how to prove it or how to make others dont believe in god , but by doing so he unknowingly thinks about god , he thinks twice about god than the thiest. And one more thing is that when you find answers to all your questions , your knowledge about spiritual life will be more and that will be the time you start believing in god . in reply to ---------- Becoming is the most important thing in the world for everybody -- to become something ----------- yes you are correct. If anyone not wishes to become something then there is no change ,no life , there is no universe and nothing ! If the ancient man ( as proven scientifically ) , has not wanted to find fire , take food wear dress and then to find wheel .etc...we are not here sitting at front of computers typing something. yes we all wanted to be someone and still want to be someone. everyone wants to be something , Otherwise there is no drive , if there is no drive and then no life, but accoding to puranas these drives are basically to gain knowledge spritual world and to find the way out from materialistic world . ---------------------------- She wants something, so she goes to the temple. ------------------------ How to make one worship god , he needs to know what the gain he can get out of it , being a materilistic man . If he worships he gets somthing at the end of the prayer , he believes that god has given him somehting as result of prayer , yes its starts like this . Because god gives every chance to the human to find his way towards him. In simple terms , How u make a pet ( dog , cat ..etc ) , you cannot jus show ur love towards animal, first you should start feeding him then by spending time with it Then slowly it understands that you are its freind and you can take care of him. Your animal thinks that you are his owner and no one else , it believes and loves you till its last days. In reply to -------------------- What I am trying to point out is simply this: your spiritual and religious activities are basically selfish. ----------------- Well , even i thought that great gurus are praying lord to attain salvation for themselfes which could be selfishness. But its not , A great true saint will never pray for anything that is materialistic, if he does that it will be not for him but for others , who are his follwers . There is always a belief that your prayers for others have more result than that of your own. True saint help others to know the path to the salvation , Thus leading the way to the salvation. Jus think what it goin to cost for all those persons who contribure to these sites , praising lord names , do you think there is selfishness here , absoultely not , the reason is these people who by preaching lord names helps others to get into the spiritual world and feel the grace of lord. Dear thiest friends , I tried answering our freind with my little knowledge in sprituality. Please do correct me , if anything i have said is wrong. Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala ! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

My dear friend. The first thing i would say about you is, You are soo lucky being atheist , yes you are ! i have heared in one of the vedantic lectures that the person who says god doesnot exists , always thinks how to prove it or how to make others dont believe in god , but by doing so he unknowingly thinks about god , he thinks twice about god than the thiest. And one more thing is that when you find answers to all your questions , your knowledge about spiritual life will be more and that will be the time you start believing in god . in reply to ---------- Becoming is the most important thing in the world for everybody -- to become something ----------- yes you are correct. If anyone not wishes to become something then there is no change ,no life , there is no universe and nothing ! If the ancient man ( as proven scientifically ) , has not wanted to find fire , take food wear dress and then to find wheel .etc...we are not here sitting at front of computers typing something. yes we all wanted to be someone and still want to be someone. everyone wants to be something , Otherwise there is no drive , if there is no drive and then no life, but accoding to puranas these drives are basically to gain knowledge spritual world and to find the way out from materialistic world . ---------------------------- She wants something, so she goes to the temple. ------------------------ How to make one worship god , he needs to know what the gain he can get out of it , being a materilistic man . If he worships he gets somthing at the end of the prayer , he believes that god has given him somehting as result of prayer , yes its starts like this . Because god gives every chance to the human to find his way towards him. In simple terms , How u make a pet ( dog , cat ..etc ) , you cannot jus show ur love towards animal, first you should start feeding him then by spending time with it Then slowly it understands that you are its freind and you can take care of him. Your animal thinks that you are his owner and no one else , it believes and loves you till its last days. In reply to -------------------- What I am trying to point out is simply this: your spiritual and religious activities are basically selfish. ----------------- Well , even i thought that great gurus are praying lord to attain salvation for themselfes which could be selfishness. But its not , A great true saint will never pray for anything that is materialistic, if he does that it will be not for him but for others , who are his follwers . There is always a belief that your prayers for others have more result than that of your own. True saint help others to know the path to the salvation , Thus leading the way to the salvation. Jus think what it goin to cost for all those persons who contribure to these sites , praising lord names , do you think there is selfishness here , absoultely not , the reason is these people who by preaching lord names helps others to get into the spiritual world and feel the grace of lord. Dear thiest friends , I tried answering our freind with my little knowledge in sprituality. Please do correct me , if anything i have said is wrong. Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala ! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Jus came thorugh this in one of the sites, I like this Chapter very much. --------------- Chapter 11: The Revelation of KRISHNA to ARJUNA: Vision of the Cosmic Form Translated by Ramanand Prasad Arjuna said: My illusion is dispelled by Your profound words, that You spoke out of compassion towards me, about the supreme secret of the Self. (11.01) O Krishna, I have heard from You in detail about the origin and dissolution of beings, and Your imperishable glory. (11.02) O Lord, You are as You have said, yet I wish to see Your divine cosmic form, O Supreme Being. (11.03) O Lord, if You think it is possible for me to see this, then O Lord of the yogis, show me Your imperishable Self. (11.04) The Supreme Lord said: O Arjuna, behold My hundreds and thousands of multifarious divine forms of different colors and shapes. (11.05) See the Adityas, the Vasus, the Rudras, the Ashvins, and the Maruts. Behold, O Arjuna, many wonders never seen before. (11.06) O Arjuna, now behold the entire creation; animate, inanimate, and whatever else you like to see; all at one place in My body. (11.07) But, you are not able to see Me with your physical eye; therefore, I give you the divine eye to see My majestic power and glory. (11.08) Sanjaya said: O King, having said this; Lord Krishna, the great Lord of (the mystic power of) yoga, revealed His supreme majestic form to Arjuna. (11.09) (Arjuna saw the Universal Form of the Lord) with many mouths and eyes, and many visions of marvel, with numerous divine ornaments, and holding divine weapons. (11.10) Wearing divine garlands and apparel, anointed with celestial perfumes and ointments, full of all wonders, the limitless God with faces on all sides. (11.11) If the splendor of thousands of suns were to blaze forth all at once in the sky, even that would not resemble the splendor of that exalted being. (11.12) Arjuna saw the entire universe, divided in many ways, but standing as (all in) One (and One in all) in the body of Krishna, the God of gods. (11.13) Then Arjuna, filled with wonder and his hairs standing on end, bowed his head to the Lord and prayed with folded hands. (11.14) Arjuna said: O Lord, I see in Your body all the gods and multitude of beings, all sages, celestial serpents, Lord Shiva as well as Lord Brahmaa seated on the lotus. (11.15) O Lord of the universe, I see You everywhere with infinite form, with many arms, stomachs, faces, and eyes. Neither do I see the beginning nor the middle nor the end of Your Universal Form. (11.16) I see You with Your crown, club, discus; and a mass of radiance, difficult to behold, shining all around with immeasurable brilliance of the sun and the blazing fire. (11.17) I believe You are the imperishable, the Supreme to be realized. You are the ultimate resort of the universe. You are the protector of eternal Dharma, and the imperishable primal spirit. (11.18) I see You with infinite power, without beginning, middle, or end; with many arms, with the sun and the moon as Your eyes, with Your mouth as a blazing fire whose radiance is scorching all the universe. (11.19) The entire space between heaven and earth is pervaded by You alone in all directions. Seeing Your marvelous and terrible form, the three worlds are trembling with fear, O Lord. (11.20) These hosts of demigods enter into You. Some with folded hands sing Your names and glories in fear. A multitude of Maharishis and Siddhas hail and adore You with abundant praises. (11.21) Rudras, Adityas, Vasus, Saadhyas, Vishwedevas, Ashvins, Maruts, Ushmapas, Gandharvas, Yakshas, Asuras, and Siddhas; they all amazingly gaze at You. (11.22) Seeing your infinite form with many mouths, eyes, arms, thighs, feet, stomachs, and many fearful teeth; the worlds are trembling with fear and so do I, O mighty Lord. (11.23) Seeing Your great effulgent and various-colored form touching the sky; Your mouth wide open and large shining eyes; I am frightened and find neither peace nor courage, O Krishna. (11.24) Seeing Your mouths, with fearful teeth, glowing like fires of cosmic dissolution, I lose my sense of direction and find no comfort. Have mercy on me! O Lord of gods, refuge of the universe. (11.25) The sons of Dhritaraashtra along with the hosts of kings; Bheeshma, Drona, and Karna together with chief warriors on our side are also quickly entering into Your fearful mouths having terrible teeth. Some are seen caught in between the teeth with their heads crushed. (11.26-27) As many torrents of the rivers rush toward the ocean, similarly, those warriors of the mortal world are entering Your blazing mouths. (11.28) As moths rush with great speed into the blazing flame for destruction, similarly all these people are rapidly rushing into Your mouths for destruction. (11.29) You are licking up all the worlds with Your flaming mouths, swallowing them from all sides. Your powerful radiance is burning the entire universe, and filling it with splendor, O Krishna. (11.30) Tell me who are You in such a fierce form? My salutations to You, O best of gods, be merciful! I wish to understand You, the primal Being, because I do not know Your mission. (11.31) The Supreme Lord said: I am death, the mighty destroyer of the world, out to destroy. Even without your participation all the warriors standing arrayed in the opposing armies shall cease to exist. (11.32) Therefore, you get up and attain glory. Conquer your enemies and enjoy a prosperous kingdom. All these (warriors) have already been destroyed by Me. You are only an instrument, O Arjuna. (11.33) Kill Drona, Bheeshma, Jayadratha, Karna, and other great warriors who are already killed by Me. Do not fear. You will certainly conquer the enemies in the battle, therefore, fight! (11.34) Sanjaya said: Having heard these words of Krishna; the crowned Arjuna, trembling with folded hands, prostrated with fear and spoke to Krishna in a choked voice. (11.35) Arjuna said: Rightly, O Krishna, the world delights and rejoices in glorifying You. Terrified demons flee in all directions. The hosts of Siddhas bow to You in adoration. (11.36) Why should they not, O great soul, bow to You, the original creator who is even greater than Brahmaa? O infinite Lord, O God of gods, O abode of the universe, You are both Sat and Asat, and the imperishable Brahman that is beyond both (Sat and Asat). (11.37) You are the primal God, the most ancient Person. You are the ultimate resort of all the universe. You are the knower, the object of knowledge, and the supreme abode. The entire universe is pervaded by You, O Lord of the infinite form. (11.38) You are Vaayu, Yama, Agni, Varuna, Shashaanka, and Brahmaa as well as the father of Brahmaa. Salutations to You a thousand times, and again and again salutations to You. (11.39) My salutations to You from front and from behind. O Lord, my obeisances to You from all sides. You are infinite valor and the boundless might. You pervade everything, and therefore You are everywhere and in everything. (11.40) Considering You merely as a friend, not knowing Your greatness, I have inadvertently addressed You as O Krishna, O Yadava, O friend; merely out of affection or carelessness. (11.41) In whatever way I may have insulted You in jokes; while playing, reposing in bed, sitting, or at meals; when alone, or in front of others; O Krishna, I implore You for forgiveness. (11.42) You are the father of this animate and inanimate world, and the greatest guru to be worshipped. No one is even equal to You in the three worlds; how can there be one greater than You? O Being of Incomparable Glory. (11.43) Therefore, O adorable Lord, I seek Your grace by bowing down and prostrating my body before You. Bear with me as a father to his son, as a friend to a friend, and as a husband to his wife, O Lord. (11.44) I am delighted by beholding that which has never been seen before, and yet my mind is tormented with fear. Show me that (four-armed) form. O God of gods, the refuge of the universe have mercy! (11.45) I wish to see You with a crown, holding mace and discus in Your hand. O Lord with thousand arms and universal form, appear in the four-armed form. (11.46) The Supreme Lord said: O Arjuna, being pleased with you I have shown you, through My own yogic powers, this supreme, shining, universal, infinite, and primal form of Mine that has never been seen before by anyone other than you. (11.47) Neither by study of the Vedas, nor by Yajna, nor by charity, nor by rituals, nor by severe austerities, can I be seen in the cosmic form in this human world by anyone other than you, O Arjuna. (11.48) Do not be perturbed and deluded by seeing such a terrible form of Mine as this. With fearless and cheerful mind, now behold My four-armed form. (11.49) Sanjaya said: Lord Krishna, having thus spoken to Arjuna, revealed His four-armed form. Then assuming His gentle human form, Mahatma Krishna consoled Arjuna who was terrified. (11.50) Arjuna said: O Krishna, seeing this gentle human form of Yours, I have now become composed and I am normal again. (11.51) The Supreme Lord said: This (four-armed) form of Mine that you have seen is very difficult, indeed, to see. Even the gods are ever longing to see this form. (11.52) Neither by study of the Vedas, nor by austerity, nor by charity, nor by ritual, can I be seen in this form as you have seen Me. (11.53) However, through single-minded devotion alone, I can be seen in this form, can be known in essence, and also can be reached, O Arjuna. (11.54) The one who does all works for Me, and to whom I am the supreme goal, who is my devotee, who has no attachment, and is free from enmity towards any being attains Me, O Arjuna. (See also 8.22) (11.55) Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thanks for the reply , i am sure about the relativity , as u see i myself has told that its from the point of view. But i want some light on the Karma part of it . Madhava Kesava Madhana Gopala

Hey all, I really doubt about being right and being wrong .Let me expalin what my question really is. I man who is soo poor kills a wealthy man and gets money for food and for his famliy. From his prospective whatever he has done is correct and what made him to do that is wrong. But from others view its totally wrong. Who decides one is good or bad , we ourselfs know something is good but its bad for other , By doing every action we are getting karma attached to it. But Who decides whats the karma is , because according to our Karma only we are going to take our life. If god decides that , He is the one who created hungry lion and beautiful deer as pray for it. /images/graemlins/confused.gif Madava Kesava Madhanagopala ! /images/graemlins/smile.gif Srivats