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people still fighting........just follow your own guru.......scriptures cannot be understood easily......all secrets are encrypted.....and untill they are revealed ....better to follow your own guru........god is the destination ......and when you arrive there .......there will be no need to proove anything ......peace....

now which sampradaya teaches its devotees to ridicule others ? wether one belong to baps or is under vadtal or amdavad ..... finding out the truth is the common goal of all..... and the truth cannot be arrived at with arguments using scriptures simply because in an individual's case what "one understands" matters more that "what is written" ... and what "one understands" will depend on who the person accepts as authority ...including which scriptures are considered as authorotative........ arguing over it is useless ...pointless...... better to do the mantra given by the guru ...........because unfortunately misery will keep finding a person until the truth finds him..... arguments will only drain your energy and time ....and mood...whats the point in winning an argument over god if god is still not found ?.....and if god is found why would one care for anything else....... personally i still havent found what i'm looking for....so it just pisses me off when i look at arguments .......i mean imagine looking at a bunch of blind men fighting with each claiming "i am blind allright..but i can see better than others" lol......come to think of it ....it looked so inviting to me that i thought i'd better join.....

By the way ..when i said there s no version of vachanamrut online i meant the entire vachanamrut ..not just the gems...... <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=615 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=26 background=images/left.jpg></TD><TD width=563 bgColor=#fdf2ed> || Understanding Scriptures || "Besides, the words of the scriptures cannot be understood in their true context by anyone except an ekãntik bhakta…" [Gadhadã I-66] </TD><TD width=26 background=images/right.jpg> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=615 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD width=26 background=images/left.jpg> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE> and therefore not all teachings are for everyone....even the hare krishna dont discuss higher lilas of gopis and krishna amongst the general masses....for they are likely to be misunderstood......misinterpreted... better to follow one's own guru ......not hurt anyone..... PS ... swaminarayan was very intelligent....especially when he explained the nature of ego ..and how it enters a person masked as ego of virtuosity....something very common among believers....who think that all those who dont agree with their beliefs are idiots.....that was to me personally ..a very important lesson.....

Thank you das ka das.... i guess now i can check out the other versions of vachanamrut when i go back to india...i am really not good at gujarati.... what i would really be interested in knowing is if the other versions also publish a few of the letters of lord swaminarayan along with the vachanamrut as you find in the Baps publication....as personally i feel that they are very influential when it comes to increasing the following of a sampradaya...atleast in case of baps also i feel that all the three sampradayas ....amadavad ,vadtal and Baps are rich enough to publish online versions of vachanamrut.. but they dont ..and there are good reasons ....as mentioned in the earlier posts some questions are not for everyone........ doing regular spiritual practice ...and having sattvik..food is what is ultimately important ....as that will open doors to direct experience .... and when that happens all questions will be automatically answered.....

could you guys just stop fighting over your beliefs ......... i mean if you guys are sure that your sampradaya is perfect then why not just follow it ...why try to proove it to others and waste time ..... as far as the guru is concerned ..he has to be treated like god ..."like god"nothing less as far as who is getting moksh and who not, everyone should read ...the vachanamrutam where lord swaminarayan asks the question "who is in greatest ignorance?.... and please dont discuss the answer to this Question in this forum as this forum is visited by many hare krishnas who believe that the are going to go to goloka .........and madhavas who believe they will go to vrindavana and swaminarayans who believe they will go to akshardham .......all such beliefs are fine and help a devotee in his faith and progress ....... here i would like to add that in vachanamrutam..the main swamis do affirm to lord swaminarayan that they know the glories of lord swaminarayan because of JNANA...... and again when asked that which is that one quality which if imbibed properly all other qualities of an ekantika bhakta will also be imbibed ..the lord replies BHAKTI.... so please dont discuss the answer of the question "who is in greatest ignorance " in this forum because this forum is visited by many bhaktas and as they progress in bhakti they will automatically imbibe jnana.... but atleast the followers of swaminarayan could read the vachanamrut..... PS is there any other publication of vachanamrut in english besides the one published by BAPS.?

could you please mail a copy to me as well... w12345@coolgoose.com Thank you