Bishadi

Bija <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p> </o:p> Perhaps you are becoming one with existence (aware) and capable of experiencing the collective of the entangled energy. Ever hear of Monks that could fly from the eyes of an eagle? That is what that is. <o:p> </o:p> Seeing the spring; perhaps that energy was entangled to you and your senses began to experience the object as if in your face. Again we are One with all existence and consciousness is that window to see. <o:p> </o:p> We are entangled to all existence past and future in time. That is why God is the ‘indescribable,’ as well One with all the representing ‘prophets’ <o:p> </o:p> They could see too but how to have this conversation? That is of today. <o:p> </o:p> As time progresses we can return to being ‘babes’ in the world and raised to nourish these rather than discount them. A shadow on the wall now a days is often interpreted as an imagination of a ‘dragon’ such that is what was perhaps in memory and associated incorrectly based on learned ignorance. <o:p> </o:p> Mind combines knowledge with experiences. <o:p> </o:p> When the children are raised with truth at the earliest age, then greater development of capabilities and awareness can begin. To comprehend the basics then the ‘journey’ can be pure. <o:p> </o:p> We are all a part of the total of existence; God. <o:p> </o:p> This truth is revealed in understanding the ‘light’ of life. All mass is combined by light such that every atom that associates to make even one molecule is held together by ‘light’ or electromagnetism. (see electromagnetic spectrum) <o:p> </o:p> And entanglement is a property of ‘light. Milly, Mother is always our Goddess; to know that allows you to honor your whole lineage with responsibility. Then bring her a grandchild and say "thank you mother for giving me life"....

<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> And the circumstances NOW are the children can see a little more than what was shared even 25 years ago. Such that not even the greatest of teachers had the knowledge available to this “to time, place and circumstance” <?xml:namespace prefix = u1 /><u1:p></u1:p> So the rules of evolving are based on ‘time and environment’ and change is ever purposed. This does not mean the experience is per se changing, but the knowledge of defining the experience exceeds anything previously available.<o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> Ie… ranjeetmore …… is still speaking in the old language to share his opinion on a western forum in the context of the krisna movement, in which the teacher was converting everything to ENGLISH for the west. Nothing benefits from the regression!<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The progression (evolving process) is not only observed in nature and knowledge but the ability to comprehend and experience evolves, such as why any seek in the first place.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> To see the varied opinions should give each teacher a clue as to the proper change to embrace.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Regression is oppressive.<o:p></o:p> Progression is submissive.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> So the choice goes back to each person and to choose ‘perfect’ follow the rules of truth! <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Good: supports life to continue<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Bad: loss to the common<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> In the choice weigh the action. The bad in this case is to isolate and maintain complacency.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Or be submissive (bhakti/devotion)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> As then the only choice is; to support our future with every bit of our fiber, so they can have the chance ‘we all did not’………… give that true LOVE to our future; existence; GOD; do good!<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Submission to God is not worrying about yourself but being responsible to existence and life in all actions/purpose. Selfless commitment.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Can you see the difference?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> The old ways will fail in today’s world as only by honoring the truth in knowledge as a whole will you continue; been trying to share this with you.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Is it the western arrogance that throws you off?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Imagine each child knowing the truth in the numbers of billions not little retreats in the forest where individual understanding is like trying to comprehend Einstein’s Theory of Relativity. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> But in truth; the rule share we are each like a tap on the pond; when our wave interacts with others in existence the good combinations combine and our wave lives longer, the bad offer little good in support of the total or in simple terms 'try and jump out of the pond'; either way a loss to the common.<o:p></o:p>

Now your talking! Evolve!<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> yet social changes are what created the need to place vedic literature in english so in reality; Prabhapadas was truly adjusting, evolving, developing in true Bhakti (devotion)....... contributing to the evolution of knowledge for mankind..... as the first premise of pure love is honesty..... as to retain a belief over this choice... then the cycle reveals itself as "Any religious movement that remains inexorably rooted in some past era becomes extinct. There are many examples." Hence.... krsna movement changed as well came west; the evolution was recognized as 'to continue' as the progression was given and shared by Prabhupadas's writings. He gave to us to progress, not to regress. as to suggest in selfish requisite of pursuing a belief over the maintaining absolute truth to knowledge and the contributions of the previous teachers shares that "Any religious movement that remains inexorably rooted in some past era becomes extinct. There are many examples." <o:p></o:p> without changing and evolving; the children can not Love you for your contributions be of selfish practice and become extinct!

remember, many primates don't read Hitlers purpose was cleansing but failed with ego and selfish requisites. the combining of the four colors of mankind (yellow, black, red and white) see the Hopi too http://symbolic-meanings.com/2007/08/14/native-american-swastika-symbol-meaning-hopi/ that migration towards the; the knowledge of truth. remember if we (mankind) are under the 'lotus feet' of vishnu.... then each corner of the earth must be honored makes sense perhaps why the adi buddha (last avatar to come) is supposed to have it on the bottom of his feet http://www.religionfacts.com/buddhism/symbols/buddhapada.htm which to me suggests, he has walked (observed the knowledge from each) The swastika is not a Nazi idea but used as a war cry within a war machine. It is almost as bad as Judaism using a religious belief to create a state within a foreign land. i.e.... the migration to Israel was not of compassion but of selfishish religious beliefs. hence the idea once observed; it is good that Israel exists or what hitler did to the jewish people? Neither would exist without the other and we can't change time to argue about it. That divide of the east and west, the war of all wars; will be based in this conflict. It is already written. perhaps try a little from other points of view about the combining of mankind http://www.spiritwheel.com/hopiproph.htm

as knowledge 'evolves' consciousness is like the window to krsna. We experience 'life' in his eyes; we islolate by ourselfish choices. Not separate in reality just the preception of mind. (incorrect knowledge) Consciousness offers choice; the mind is often of self; remove the self and the mind can learn the truth. Combine the consciousness with the mind and truth and bliss; the mind of GOD! remove the self as priority and experience GOD. the sciences do in fact, share nothing is isolated. To comprehend that God is not separate from mankind; then responsibility to the good (bhakti) becomes a part of the living experience. sounds like you are already 'walking on water' :>

Wise words, in which to comprehend, we can share the reality or truth within application; then the dharma shares its life. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Each of the worlds contributors shared the beauty of ‘truth’. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> When you see the combination of; then realize the absolute.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> How is that possible?<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> The ocean is but a portion of the world. Perhaps a rehash on the meaning before representing a story as if to bring wisdom. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> no such thing as the ‘netherworld’ as it is like never-never-land in the never-ending story….. created ideas….. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> first step is to perhaps be honest with absolute truths before using words divided and unequal to mankind………. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Then why the diversity of beliefs?<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> Why on a thread of ‘truth’ use stories created by men?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Is like saying; without confessing Jesus as the savior, you cannot be saved…… a secular structure within a belief system. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> The true teaching of Krsna is submission or bhakti… to give of the self over any for the good of all……….. rule ONE; be honest!<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Hence, for a teacher to suggest they know the words of truth but cannot share life ever lasting………….. then he be a liar!<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> The truth only exists ONE way. All else are creations of mankind.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The truth combines mankind! The truth shares life. The truth raises the dead to the flesh.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The truth is what every soul on this earth seeks.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> Makes sense that any who fib….. are like ……… <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> well you know….. a rascal!<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p>

whats the signifigance? symbolic......... see the crips and bloods just as any ritual sharing acceptance of an understanding see any diploma or degree.... (he understands that) how about the the ritual, called pangngae Iban tribe? Perhaps commitments to God should be by what we do and not so much by showing a ritual undertaking.

Prasadam; selfless contribution; you offer of anything 'you' for the good which kind of mirrors the true meaning of 'prayer'; a state of being; commit to so to walk in the state 'being to good' ..... there are a whole bunch of definitions for that; pick your word use or dialect; that is the ultimate realization to all; submission to existence upon awareness this becomes the walk of each to know that each act is a contribution to existence then comprehensible awareness can become understood that to 'support life to continue' is the universal good of existence then each can know how to be 'good' within the continuation of life as every choice is either to 'support life to continue' or a 'loss to the common'. so to support life, then become a nourishment to existence; and live within that contribution. therein know how to live the 'ever-lasting life' good continues bad goes extinct

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p> </o:p> What is the truth? <o:p> </o:p> Who is God? <o:p> </o:p> ‘Who’s’ are people. Names go with isolated things. <o:p> </o:p> Since we know the three are ONE; Mass, energy (light) and time, then all is of this combination; nothing isolated. <o:p> </o:p> Everything from before and tomorrow are described within them three. <o:p> </o:p> All the people are names of portions of this existence. And since a portion is still a part of the total, then something from ‘then’ is a part of ‘tomorrow’ and ‘now’ can experience both. i.e… consciousness is aware. <o:p> </o:p> We are all a part of the total, as the total experiences existence by our eyes. <o:p> </o:p> God is existence itself. <o:p> </o:p> The contributors (prophets/teachers) represented what they experiences and could define in the words of their time. Many could see but words to define are limited by the cultures and environment; available knowledge. From the original teachers, the intent seems pure; to contribute knowledge. The sights can be believed. As cultures diversified, knowledge also diversified. Yet over the course of history, the progression can be observed sharing the evolution of knowledge. This progression and the contributors are not working for God but like any other; of the total (God). The difference is the choice. To be of pure intent, then each are capable of being just as aware and the reason is each are still ‘of’ the total. <o:p> </o:p> The web now exists returning the diversity of the world’s knowledge to the finger tips. The depth of material knowledge now far exceeds the depth ever available in any other period in history. The web allows any of pure intent to do that homework. <o:p> </o:p> So if existence itself is all that is and man lives within; then see that during ‘time’ men contributed knowledge for the next period to learn from until the one period (prophesized by many throughout the faiths) a birth. Basically a nut who spends his life to learn and by choice reveals the ‘absolute truth’… <o:p> </o:p> Nothing magical about it as knowledge is to describe the experiences called phenomenon. <o:p> </o:p> Rituals, beliefs, and the isolation from God all end with the truth. <o:p> </o:p> Did that answer your questions?

the idea of taking a journey to California is upon the mind. Is there a place any can suggest that would welcome a person such as me for a period? This request in based on the good of conveying and learning. Peace

the idea was that to see death upon the face of another allows each to observe dispassion<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> that the human form upon physical death has no selfish desires, loss or gain in choices to make; they are no longer on the take. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> To observe the death of another, offers a mind a chance to open their eyes to what life is, rather than what we have culturally been taught to believe. Most all of mankind has a moment of awakening when recognizing death of another. Many begin to self reflect. <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> That hell is self prescribed. Many do not wake up with needs and desires upon the mind. Words upon the mind and prescribed responsibilities often create them attachments. Hence why in some teachings they suggest; ‘remove the entanglements.’ To remove them responsibilities often sheds the desires of needs. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> agreed as instinct takes over; survival within an environment<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> if you knew your life after death is real, rather than believed or of hope, then where is the suffering with realizing nothing is yours to begin with? Meaning all them desires, needs and wants are self prescribed when without cloths, food, or water, you can still live in what you do.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> but then we are back to understanding life.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> Meaning; to simply sit and do nothing like a monk in the mountain caves; is selfish in a sense as that knowledge may die with the teacher as well what life is continued, created or living beyond the choice? Doing nothing brings little gain or loss; a safe bet but perhaps also a loss to the common. Just imagine how many great teachers never had a child to nurture and teach all that they learned or never wrote down with words to share what was realized <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Which is easy; remove the self as the priority and follow the rules;<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> Good: supports life<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Bad: loss to the common<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> hence the wisdom; <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> ‘do little if not understanding’<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> but then another; ‘if the bowl is dirty, wash it’<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Such that if you have the thought, ‘to cross the river’ perhaps observe why you wish too.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> It is for the good of life to continue, or for a selfish desire?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> to know that to take your shirt off for your brothers warmth will save his life; then as you shiver; your choice was of passion You chose to support life over the self!<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Did you do it (kill the partner)…. ? Then what choice is best; to learn from the experience or maintain a hate which can harm each moment thereof in pain and suffering.<o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> Only by maintaining a possession (which is not yours) can you suffer any loss. i.e… in the stead of mourning a deceased, praise their life so they live longer but to hate a feeling of loss is self prescribed. They didn’t leave you but helped you become a nourished soul. They live in you and what Love you experienced. Love them back by planting a tree in memory of that Love; give back. As well perhaps teach a lesson to another that you learned from them; give again and contribute to their continued life.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Life is not simply making choices; that is ‘the experience’ not the life of their being.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> See the difference? Choice is the experience; life is what was imposed to existence; whether good or bad. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> Perhaps to understand Life purely then perhaps that suffering can be understood by even a child before their parents ever pass that period of choice. IN such that to Love each moment and never be in a mind of ‘unfinished business’ as if to not have taken for granted each moment and remember to give back that Love while both still have that choice.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> My better half held the hands of both parents when they left and never cried but said ‘thank you,’ for giving. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Her Mother was a born again Christian and a few months before leaving, spent almost 3 weeks in our home and to see the change in her as the lady played with our dogs and laughed more than most elderly you would ever see; She learned the truth of life from the words learned and shared and from that point forth began to understand what her life is and what the ever after is; she began to live with truth and know bliss for the last months of her life. It was the most beautiful change this I had ever seen from a single person beginning to understand. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> All based in Understanding Life removing the ideas and guise of religious beliefs and grounding the truth to comprehension of what ‘life’ is. She became aware!<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Kind of strange me talking about life, and use a deceased person within the example.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Perhaps Gloria lives within all of us now! Another ‘thank you’ for the Love that still lives

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p> </o:p> That opener fits this idea <o:p> </o:p> <o:p></o:p><o:p> </o:p> Perhaps the idea of dispassion is moot? <o:p> </o:p> If you live your whole life believing you are here for nothing than be nothing but if you understand ‘life’ then live.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> If you were on your death bed and knew you were still alive in all that you have done, then you would smile as if the change from life to death was just like sleeping.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> To know that the trees planted, the children raised, the flowering life of all your contributions were not in vain. That the energy of your life (existence) is alive within the gifts you contributed to others and life to continue; then you can experience the bliss of ever lasting life and know it, passionately. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Dispassion is to remember you should not put selfish emotions or attachments to things over awareness of others or ‘the common’ first. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> But how can a choice be dispassionate? Meaning how can you take a step forward without intent? So without true understanding; be selfless and aware. (old school)<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> With ‘understanding’ be most passionate about life. (the new)<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Live in what you do; the experienced choice.<o:p></o:p>

Peace can exist if the rules of truth can be understood equally between all. Wisdom from a Friend; Skippy "Each particle that awakens contributes in service to the whole." 2008 share what is good! With compassion, with pure Love; for life! Peace <!-- / sig -->

Watz good? 'Support life to continue' that is the absolute truth to existence. Doing things to make yourself feel holy or of acceptable ritual to man, is self gratifying. Watz good for existence? Support life to continue! Give of yourself for life! and for comparison; Bad: Loss to the common! so when of an experience of choice; what do you choose? Good or Bad?

http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/guardians_fs.html within the body of text there is a few items that can be observed and so it seems that the evolution of life and knowledge should be understood as well the suggestion of the 'scientific approach' is where it appears that the intend of bhakti must remain honest to the evolution of knowledge honoring the scientific aspects as well. Not that seeking the gains of possession is at all merited as the sciences are often geared for but that true understanding and that evolution to knowledge exists within. Perhaps a few of the elders can share a little on this.

Cycles can be seen right here on the education thread; <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p> Growth in understanding with eyes of compassion and the foundations of progress for the good of knowledge.<o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> Sharing equality of spirit within all mankind no matter the beliefs but within the soul. Or perfectly stated<o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> little compares to the mind of equality<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Which shares how even the greatest teachers can be misinterpreted and often cause separations. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> that shares how gaps widen.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> then a perfect closing<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> Kind of nice to see the idea of NO RITUALs……. IS that the first sign of true faith and the beginning of Understanding? Perhaps the idea of 'Why waste the time on self satifaction?', when to learn and devote all for the progress is bhakti of service. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> So the education continues under the thread of Buddhism…. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Lesson learned; <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Seek the wisdom from even a car wreck. <o:p></o:p>

to prepare the knowledge of truth for the children is the choice of good imagine if each child could be in understanding with knowledge that allows all to combine and never have to be in doubt of truth ever again then every pursuit can be in pure harmony with God by choice Peace unfolds by knowledge 3 from each color of man, makes 12; and a friend to sit that 13th chair

here hear, a resounding agreement<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:" /><o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> fallibility should not be the quest; but to observe the purpose<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> observe the meaning<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> the truth lives compassionately; the teachers are people too<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> never has a single unit of living man had the combining knowledge into one, otherwise the last chapter would have already been written<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> so can any single set of literature share what life is, and the true meaning of good and bad?<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> That is what the real debate of mankind is! To understand life and how to choose.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Everything else is wrestling of mind between opinions. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> this person is defining by combining 2 areas of thought; bravo!<o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> This is what Prabhupada did when bringing the Gita into the West. Each gave to share understanding (Godhead)……..<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Please stay tuned as the missing elements to perfect it are identified.<o:p></o:p> _<o:p></o:p> The perspective of isolation is what divides.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Gravity is entangled energy between mass; neither ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<st1:City><st1:place>Newton</st1:place></st1:City> nor the world has ever known what it is. But Einstein and Schrödinger did recognize that ‘spooky action at a distance’ <o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> The entangled mass of time. That wheel is existence (God) itself.<o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> That missing link is combining the property of light (entanglement) within the sciences. It is not addressed in any math of cosmology; that is what brings in the scientific paradigm shift. Energy itself is light and the error from Planck’s constant will not allow this comprehension to unfold, mathematically. <o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p> Which all of existence is ONE.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> All mass (corporeal), all energy (the spirit), all time (the transcendent): Existence itself, revealed in change.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> That is what all (things) exists within; GOD!<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> And that pinnacle of man’s existence is for mass to comprehend how it exists.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> We can Understand!<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> And the method of unfolding this is to combine the knowledge of the 4 colors of mankind, within a frame (of light), in which the physical can be understood combined with the spirit of life (God). This offers each the ability to know God and have the responsibility within each choice.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Allowing the pure rules of Good and Bad to be understood in the pure literal sense of mass and energy within all that is. (existence/God)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Good: supports life<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Bad: loss to the common<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> That is what the choice made a long time ago is all about; sharing the absolute truth!<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Existence only operates ONE way, and it is by combining the knowledge of mankind that the truth reveals itself.<o:p></o:p>

this was copied from anothers post but reveals much more than many might realize; can you see what this paragraph suggests? please share your points of view and allow the teaching of truth to share just how important honesty is over maintaining beliefs......

So let's look at a teacher and then the opposing set of ideas seems to me, that the priority begins with integrity over and above complacency. Meaning to remain honest and of pure compassion, then the truth supercedes beliefs. And them that suggest otherwise are the selfish! Keep your eyes open, you can see the difference, quite clearly!

still an opinion. debating opinions is normal; debating fact is ........ wierd, in my opinion that the words come from that opinion, you bet..... That is what all faiths have as their coming promise; that's pretty universal. Now we are back to an opinion. That is the opinion of what one suggests another meant. Is the Mother, Rosanne? Are you God? Otherwise you keep coming back to facts based on opinions and it is so confusing. a martyr? i thought we were talking about... Buddhism is an Education- Not a Religion! the only way to stop suicides is to give our children the truth once and for all.

the compassion known, felt, observed and real; then be happy to realize each can understand the truth, equally. We are of this existence together; so observing the knowledge to combine all into the One, is purposed, inevitable and as promised.

are we debating? shall we suggest perhaps repeating a name is a form of 'pleasure, a relief'? such the same with the rituals of praying..... such is exactly the same mindset any could have 'against' any other religion or sect. Meaning if each person was focused on some of the idiocracies of the other then what 'good' is being accomplished. Perhaps try and remember, people make serious fun at the ideas of chanting. Does that mean the 'intent of good' is not worth observing? and the only way to address the confusions and dividing force that inhabit the minds of the children is to be compassionate in observing what the delusional cause may be. Much of the cause is the idea of having nothing 'good' to offer. debate is good, and offers ideas to share and observe but to be focused on the opinions of others over observing the data personally, shares a lust to remain compliant to a bias...... it would be like me suggesting, 'well if Bush thinks its OK to bark at Russia for stopping the Georgian military advance then it must be correct' A. Bierce is not speaking on behalf of anyone but himself. ie.. a journalist; you debating the 'good and intent' of Buddhism based on the words from an AMERICAN journalist? Opening doors is of good medicine, closing them shares much to be desired. How about a Nobel Award winner as a quality quote to observe; "Even then it was clear to socially minded people that the openness of the possibilities was an opportunity, and that doubt and discussion were essential to progress into the unknown. If we want to solve a problem that we have never solved before, we must leave the door to the unknown ajar. ...

can opinions be made in this subject matter?

Perhaps the variety of interpretations are the error verus the initial teachers intent. For example; Jesus represented a quality set of compassionate understanding and it was them who interpretated the guiding words, that changed much of the meanings. SO rather than discount the initial teaching perhaps honor the intent and seek the good. duality is like the husband and wife, together with a like purpose yet, for the wife to discount the husband or vise versus share little compassion for the intent of the unit Peace to you