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Our connection is EMOTIONAL, not TECHNICAL! PERSONAL not IMPERSONAL! Strong feelings keep us awake and if not, well perhaps it's time for a nap...
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Originally posted by talasiga:
"Whatever" happened to "prabhu"
Boo Boo ?
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yogi talasiga@hotmail.com
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You no want,
I no do!
After all,
You're PRABHU!
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...and where is Atma prabhu when we need her perceptive inputs? Not to mention comedic...
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From Bhaktavasya prabhu:
3) In the event of a discourse erupting into a battle, the rules of engagement are one on one,
and that it be 'taken outside' the spiritual discussion forum and hashed on on the test forum.
Suggestion 1) can be formatted to allow for spontaneity, with some restrictions applying. For
example, someone may refer to their 'opponent' (and not the opponent's guru) as a jerk or a
b**ch, but calling someone a f**khead would not be allowed. If the heat of the battle
becomes too intense, the moderator can intervene by imposing a cool-out period for both
forum members.
Not meaning to make fun, but just got a strangely comic picture of an enormous wrestling ring filled with diverse passionate personalities in extreme costumes, running about, frantically grappling with each other. More are climbing over the ropes on all sides, desperately struggling to join the fracas, while Bhaktavasya in a flashy referee outfit is swinging one of the rowdier participants over her head before flinging his screaming body into the raucous crowd of spectators!!!
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I was in Mayapur in 1974 and, as I remember it, Prabhupada told us that WWIII would start between India and Pakistan, with Russia and the USA coming in on the sides of India and Pakistan, respectively. Mahak, I'm not sure if you've personally experienced India or Pakistan, but to imagine the types of weapons you describe in THEIR hands is a frightening thought indeed! No offence intended to individuals, however even the basic electrical systems can't be depended on.
I place my personal faith in the following, which I appreciated very much. Thank you, Jayradhe prabhu!
**********"HOWEVER, the conditioned souls DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO ECLIPSE
THE EFFICACY OF THE INTERNAL POTENCY THAT COMES ALONG WITH THE
SINCERE SERVICE AND CHANTING OF THE HOLY NAMES BY TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF DEVOTTEES, NO MATTER HOW IMPERFECT!"
JAI JAI SRI RADHE!!!
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There is a program here in downtown Toronto called Foodshare that delivers boxes of fresh produce weekly to contracted customers. Monies collected go to the farmers prior to growing season so their crops can be planned and financial security provided from the start. All food is organic and in accordance with the customers' dietary preferences as far as possible. There is more of this or less of that, depending on the season. All is non-profit and as such some government and/or private charity help is available. Should any wish to make further inquiries, I could post the address for the group. They also give cooking classes and help establishing community gardens, I believe.
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Tridandisvami Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayana Maharaja
VRNDAVANA IS MADE OF SRIMATI RADHIKA
A LECTURE ON BRAHMARA-GITA, THE SONG OF THE BEE
Sri Kesavaji Gaudiya Matha in Mathura, U.P. India: August 5,
2001
[As Srila Prabhupada Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja discusses in
detail, in
several places of Sri Caitanya Caritamrta, Teachings of Lord
Caitanya, and
Krsna Book, quoting from Ujjvala-nilamani and other Gosvami
literatures, the
transcendental realm is full of ecstatic emotions. All the
emotions we
experience in this world are perverted reflections of those
experienced in
that realm. Without hearing about that abode from the authorized
disciplic
succession, we conditioned souls can never acquire the taste to
serve there.
Without knowing the goal, there is no question on adopting the
means to
get there. Following in the footsteps of Srila Prabhupada and
our previous
acaryas, and in preparation for the upcoming Radhastami Festival
at the end
of August, Srila Narayana Maharaja gave a series of four
classes, in Hindi,
at the Sri Kesavaji Gaudiya Matha in Mathura, India. The
following is a
translation of the first in that series of Srila Maharaja's
classes
ed.)]Vrndavana is Radhamayi. It is made of Srimati Radhika, and
everyone there is
bhava-vibhor, lost in transcendental sentiments. The devotees
here have just
sung a bhajana in which they prayed, "I don't want to leave
Vrndavana", and
the main cause of that prayer is the variagated moods of Radhika
and their
depth of absorption. When Uddhava saw the moods of Radhika at
Uddhava-kyeri,
he became stunned like a wooden doll. Earlier he had been with
Nanda Baba
and he was very moved by his moods and amazed by his deep love.
However,
when he later saw the transcendental ecstasies of divyonmada and
citra-jalpa
in Radhika, he became stunned in helplessness.
Srila Rupa Gosvami has written, "I am standing on the shore of
the
fathomless, bottomless, endless ocean of rasa in which there are
various
ripples and waves, and after seeing it I am explaining a portion
of it in
Ujjvala-nilamani."
There are various moods in the stage of love in separation
called
divyonmada. One of the symptoms is that the lover speaks
irrelevantly, and
this is called citra-jalpa. There are ten categories of
citra-jalpa, and one
of them is called prajalpa. Prajalpa, in turn, has four
symptoms, and they
are transcendental envy, disrespect, pride, and ridicule or
taunt. The type
of speech in which these four are present is called prajalpa.
[This is not
to be confused with the mundane prajalpa, nor can the other
three be
compared with their mundane perverted reflections. They are all
pure and
transcendental, and one who hears about them from the right
source becomes
purified from the influence of their mundane counterparts.]
In Srimad Bhagavatam, chapter forty-seven, called Brahmara-gita,
Srimati
Radhika talks to a bumblebee whom She takes as a messenger of
Krsna:
madhupa kitava-bandho ma sprsanghrim sapatnyah
kuca-vilulita-mala-kunkuma-smasrubhir nah
vahatu madhu-patis tan-maninanam prasadam
yadu-sadasi vinambyam yasya dutas tvam idrk
["Radharani said: 'O honeybee, O friend of a cheater, don't
touch My feet
with your whiskers, which are smeared with the kunkuma that
rubbed onto
Krsna’s garland when it was crushed by the breasts of a rival
lover! Let
Krsna satisfy the women of Mathura. One who sends a messenger
like you will
certainly be ridiculed in the Yadus' assembly." (SB10.47.11)]
When Uddhava wanted to meet with the gopis to give them Krsna's
message, the
gopis took him to where Radhika was lying down at a distance.
They offered
him an asana, but instead of sitting on it he paid his
obeisances to it.
Uddhava then saw a golden doll, on whose limbs sandlewood paste
was smeared,
lying on a bed of lotus petals. She was motionless, and all her
friends were
checking to see whether or not She was alive. She was in such a
state that
Her friends were completely perturbed, and they could not bring
Her to
consciousness.
Srimati Radhika was engrossed in a mood in which She was feeling
Krsna in
Mathura. She was thinking, "Krsna cannot live without women, and
therefore
He must be associating with the Mathura-ramanis, the beautiful
young damsels
of Mathura.
Radhika began to experience asuya, envy, towards these city
girls. She saw a
madhukara, bumble bee, flying around Her feet and thinking they
were
lotuses. In Her high class of loving mood She thought that the
bee was a
messenger of Krsna, and in this elevated state of divyonmada She
told him,
"Don't touch me." Seeing that bee had come to Her in an
intoxicated state,
She said, "O Madhukara, it appears that My kanta, My beloved,
has sent you
to pacify Me because He feels guilty that He has committed sins
and
offences. He therefore wants to plead through you in humble
submission.
"O messenger of Krsna, you are just like Him. He is a cunning
cheater who
deceives people of their wealth, and He is a cheater from all
other points
of view as well. And you are his bosom friend." Srimati Radhika
never called
Krsna 'Krsna' directly, but She addressed Him indirectly by the
use of other
names. She told that bee, "You are the bosom friend of My
priya-bandhu who
is durta, a cheater, and dhita, stubborn.
The bumblebee replied, "Don't think in that way, Svamini. Krsna
loves You
and honors You, and therefore He has sent me. He is attached to
You and He
is very rasika.
Radhika then said, " Be silent. Do you remember what He said
during
rasa-lila? He said, "O My dear gopis, I was always here. I never
left you. I
just wanted to see how you respond when I disappear. I pretended
to leave in
order to increase your love. A poor man may acquire a diamond
and think it
to be glass. He may thus mishandle it and lose it. Then a friend
may come
and say to him, 'Oh, where is that diamond I gave you?' The poor
man will
reply, 'You never gave me a diamond.' The friend will then say,
'I did.' And
the poor man will then say, 'Oh, I thought it was glass and I
accidentally
threw it away.' 'No, it was a diamond.' When thus convinced,
that poor man
deeply grieves and repents. Therefore, to create a mood of eager
longing in
your heart, and also to show the world how much berievement My
dear gopis
feel, I appeared to have left you. In this way the world will
come to know
the depth of your love."
na paraye ’ham niravadya-samyujam
sva-sadhu-krtyam vibudhayunapi vah
yä mabhajan durjara-geha-srnkhalah
samvrscya tad vah pratiyatu sadhuna
(Srimad Bhagavatam 10.32.22)
["I am not able to repay My debt for your spotless service, even
within a
lifetime of Brahma. Your connection with Me is beyond reproach.
You have
worshiped Me, cutting off all domestic ties, which are difficult
to break.
Therefore please let your own glorious deeds be your
compensation."]
Radhika continued, "Then, when He left for Mathura He said He
would return
in two days. But He didn't fulfill His promise. How can you say
He is
sincere? No, He is a number one cheater. His words are only
external. They
do not come from His heart. He is madhupa, intoxicated from
drinking the
wine of the association of the ladies of Mathura. He is
apavitra, impure,
and I will become impure by your association. So don't touch me.
Go away!"
The bumblebee replied, "I am nirdosa, faultless. I am not at all
drunk from
drinking wine."
Srimati Radhika then said, "Don't cheat me. What is that on your
mustache?
You were on the garland of Krsna after He associated with
different
Mathura-ramanis and their kumkuma came off on that garland. It
is for this
reason that your mustache is yellowish at the ends.
"Krsna has sent you to pacify Me, but I'll not be pacified. You
don't know
how to pacify someone. Carrying the signs of Krsna's meeting
with others is
not the right way. You are foolish like your master.
The bumblebee said, "No, He is not like that. If you criticize
my master I
am leaving.
Srimati Radhika said, "Wait. I want to say something further.
Krsna is
Madhupati, and that means He is Yadupati. He used to be a gopa,
but recently
He has changed His asrama. He was a gopa, but since He has taken
upanaya-samskara, His sacred thread, in the ksatriya tradition,
He is now
meeting with the beautiful women of Mathura City.
We are village girls with no education. We are penniless. We are
without any
wealth. Don’t waste your time trying to pacify us. Go to the
Mathura-ramanis
and they will pay you heavily. They are rich. When Krsna is with
one of
those women, the others will become manani. They will became
angry in
jealousy and Krsna will be able to spend His whole life
pacifying them;
because they are not easy like us. We used to be easily
pacified.
"You have said that Krsna loves Me and therefore He has sent
you. I am
surprised, then, how His messenger can be so stupid; not
thinking ahead how
I will react to his yellow mustaches. Krsna was the exact same
way. He never
used to wipe off the signs of having been with other beloveds in
Vrndavana,
and now He must be going with similar signs into the Yadu
assembly. And they
must be ridiculing Him there. How can your master be sincere?
In this way, the four symptoms of prajalpa, namely asuya, envy;
garva,
pride; upahasa, ridicule; and avajna, disobedience; are manifest
from the
heart of Radhika.
Gaura premanande.
[This lecture was translated from Hindi by Sripad Ramacandra
dasa Adhikari]
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Originally posted by talasiga:
Those who are truly Alone
have nothing to compare
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comparable talasiga@hotmail.com
Whatever.
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Friend ! This thread has inspired
Some of my best poems
on Radha
Would you have me leave it ?
Come now.
I hope you're not sulking
because I asked you
not to call me "prabhu"
Please call me "friend"
or perhaps "old thread head".
Your brother
in Dust
RADHA
You say!
COME
Let us
PLAY!
I have neither family, friends nor guru, but it is friends I miss the most. That connection I consider most intimate and precious as it is wholly voluntary at all stages. Prabhu is used by me in a generic sense to indicate a particular respect for devotees and aspirants on this path, in spite of what some may believe who are unable or simply unwilling to see what motivates my actions.
As for lovers, the price is far too high for any to qualify, including Krsna. I worship Sri Radhika as my all-in-all and hold Her as most dear. What continues on these forum exchanges is not only greatly disheartening for me, but even crippling. Maybe later, `friend`...your heart calls, but you are not so alone as I.
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Originally posted by Bhaktavasya:
Valaya, I don't understand how bringing up (reviving)old threads can cause confusion when the entire thread can be read by 'new readers'.
Sounds to me like you're picking at faults (sorry, but I have to say it) that don't really exist.
It seems to me that discussions move between threads, conclusions are reached and sometimes peoples' opinions or philosophy has changed by the time an old thread is picked up again. It's o.k. for those of us that know each other somewhat and have been following our posts all over, even on dharma-mela, but I thought new-comers might get off on the wrong tangent. No big thing and certainly no fault finding intended, except possibly of these internet forums as a means of personal communication. Like, we can post the words of a song, but unless the reader has heard it along with the music so much is missing...
I find it somewhat frustrating and wish we could all meet face-to-face and share more intimately. Maybe that's due to my own isolation and/or something/someone lacking in my life. I tend towards unrealistic idealism and have always been a dreamer, I guess.
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Originally posted by livingentity:
tee hee
touche' Slightly touched, perhaps, but definitely not touche'! BTW, when DOES duck hunting season begin? (dark humor, prabhus)
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Originally posted by a6v:
Namaste to all,
The religion Hindu is popularly known as Hinduism in the western world. However It makes me wonder if using "ism" the right thing as "ism" is usually the suffix for negatively oriented words like feudalism, fundamentalism, barbarianism, racism criticism, plagiarism, marxism etc.
However when it comes to religion most of the religions other than christianity get "ism" suffixed onto it may it be Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Taoism.
Is using Hinduism the right thing ?
AyeVee
An intresting TRUISM! Using RELIGION is not the right thing!
OyVay
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I saw a dog today running with it's owner. what amazed me is that the dog ran forward with it's head turned fully back towards it's owner, never checking where it was going at full tilt! That's what I call TRUST! Something I don't even have in God, let alone other humans. Of course, if I was able to see God face-to-face, and so close, focusing as intently as that dog...
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Originally posted by JRdd:
Even? That's odd.
Odd indeed!
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Originally posted by JRdd:
I feel like Im going nuts. Everytime I delete the message meant for another thread, it keeps reposting it and adding a new one. Help!!!
Unlike VNN, we can't delete our messages here, but we can edit though some kind of text must be posted. jnDas will delete if you ask by Email.
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Don't go `quacking` up, now. I call all the devotees or aspiring devotees prabhu, even Maitreya Christian.
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Originally posted by JRdd:
YOu seem relieved about that.
Ducky
...and you, prabhu?
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Anonymous posting will still be permitted, however...
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Dear Sabrina, Things can change quickly here, especially with Satyaraja prabhu. Renewing old threads can bring up all kinds of complications and also confusion for those who are just recently tuning in. Hope this might help in understanding and conflict avoidance. Sincerely, Peter
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Originally posted by jndas:
Everyone should be addressed in a respectful manner with the words Sri, Sriman, or Srimati, But perhaps this requires some culture to understand.
CULTURE? Please!
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What was indicated here, I believe, is a ratio of significance rather than relative progression. Raganuga is a type of faith which can very quickly lead to prema, whereas vaidhi can just as easily become self-limiting in itself. Finding oneself caught up in a madly rushing river, there's precious little time to consider one's swimming technique... As stated, FIDELITY is what it's all about! JAI SWAMINI KISORI SRI RADHE!
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Haribol, ys, mahaksadasa
PS I agree that Srimati Jayaradhe didi's site is a very inspiring section of this here innernet.
SRIMATI? Please!
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Originally posted by jijaji:
he ha ha ....like Prabupadas tabacco/snuff lila debate goin on right now on some other forum!
How could we mere mortals understand ..?
I think they put out the fire before it sent out too many smoke signals!
"Ours not to reason WHY, Ours but to do and DIE!" Can't help wondering how come all those self-righteously offended `followers` that supposedly LOVE their God and gurus so very much are not yet perfect themselves! Maybe they are, but I just can't see with my own still imperfect senses, obviously blinded by so many offenses...
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Bowsy Wowsie!
Srila Bhakti Vaibhava Puri Maharaj Site
in Spiritual Discussions
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Now shvu, you trying to get us going again? At least allow the wounded to stumble or be dragged from the battlefield for a well-deseverved respite of, say, a day or two! Later, prabhu...
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