Beggar

We could start a thread on how Murali Mohan Prabhu fell from Audarya Fellowship Spiritual Discussions. In one sense since spiritual discussions are going on eternally, then he is only dreaming that he got banned. No wait a minute maybe I'm dreaming it? Or maybe it's the dream of the Maha-Moderator?

Methinks Murali Mohan just got banned.

Chapter 14: The Three Modes Of Material Nature Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 14.27 brahmaṇo hi pratiṣṭhāham amṛtasyāvyayasya ca śāśvatasya ca dharmasya sukhasyaikāntikasya ca SYNONYMS brahmaṇaḥ — of the impersonal brahmajyoti; hi — certainly; pratiṣṭhā — the rest; aham — I am; amṛtasya — of the immortal; avyayasya — of the imperishable; ca — also; śāśvatasya — of the eternal; ca — and; dharmasya — of the constitutional position; sukhasya — of happiness; aikāntikasya — ultimate; ca — also. TRANSLATION And I am the basis of the impersonal Brahman, which is immortal, imperishable and eternal and is the constitutional position of ultimate happiness. PURPORT The constitution of Brahman is immortality, imperishability, eternity, and happiness. Brahman is the beginning of transcendental realization. Paramātmā, the Supersoul, is the middle, the second stage in transcendental realization, and the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the ultimate realization of the Absolute Truth. Therefore, both Paramātmā and the impersonal Brahman are within the Supreme Person. It is explained in the Seventh Chapter that material nature is the manifestation of the inferior energy of the Supreme Lord. The Lord impregnates the inferior, material nature with fragments of the superior nature, and that is the spiritual touch in the material nature. When a living entity conditioned by this material nature begins the cultivation of spiritual knowledge, he elevates himself from the position of material existence and gradually rises up to the Brahman conception of the Supreme. This attainment of the Brahman conception of life is the first stage in self-realization. At this stage the Brahman-realized person is transcendental to the material position, but he is not actually perfect in Brahman realization. If he wants, he can continue to stay in the Brahman position and then gradually rise up to Paramātmā realization and then to the realization of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. There are many examples of this in Vedic literature. The four Kumāras were situated first in the impersonal Brahman conception of truth, but then they gradually rose to the platform of devotional service. One who cannot elevate himself beyond the impersonal conception of Brahman runs the risk of falling down. In Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is stated that although a person may rise to the stage of impersonal Brahman, without going further, with no information of the Supreme Person, his intelligence is not perfectly clear. Therefore, in spite of being raised to the Brahman platform, there is the chance of falling down if one is not engaged in the devotional service of the Lord. In the Vedic language it is also said, raso vai saḥ, rasaḿ hy evāyaḿ labdhvānandī bhavati: "When one understands the Personality of Godhead, the reservoir of pleasure, Kṛṣṇa, he actually becomes transcendentally blissful." (Taittirīya Upaniṣad 2.7.1) The Supreme Lord is full in six opulences, and when a devotee approaches Him there is an exchange of these six opulences. The servant of the king enjoys on an almost equal level with the king. And so eternal happiness, imperishable happiness, and eternal life accompany devotional service. Therefore, realization of Brahman, or eternity, or imperishability, is included in devotional service. This is already possessed by a person who is engaged in devotional service. The living entity, although Brahman by nature, has the desire to lord it over the material world, and due to this he falls down. In his constitutional position, a living entity is above the three modes of material nature, but association with material nature entangles him in the different modes of material nature — goodness, passion and ignorance. Due to the association of these three modes, his desire to dominate the material world is there. By engagement in devotional service in full Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he is immediately situated in the transcendental position, and his unlawful desire to control material nature is removed. Therefore the process of devotional service, beginning with hearing, chanting, remembering — the prescribed nine methods for realizing devotional service — should be practiced in the association of devotees. Gradually, by such association, by the influence of the spiritual master, one's material desire to dominate is removed, and one becomes firmly situated in the Lord's transcendental loving service. This method is prescribed from the twenty-second to the last verse of this chapter. Devotional service to the Lord is very simple: one should always engage in the service of the Lord, should eat the remnants of foodstuffs offered to the Deity, smell the flowers offered to the lotus feet of the Lord, see the places where the Lord had His transcendental pastimes, read of the different activities of the Lord, His reciprocation of love with His devotees, chant always the transcendental vibration Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare, and observe the fasting days commemorating the appearances and disappearances of the Lord and His devotees. By following such a process one becomes completely detached from all material activities. One who can thus situate himself in the brahmajyoti or the different varieties of the Brahman conception is equal to the Supreme Personality of Godhead in quality.

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Why me? So you are saying that I am more or less condemned by the process of material energy? I'm afraid to shave up!

Help the Ksatriyas are coming!!!

So from the last post, "Cit Shakti, the Internal energy, is Krishna proper". But to call the cit or swarupa shakti, visnu-tattva is incorrect for it would at least be a rasa-[a]bhasa. From Thakura Bhaktivinoda's Jaiva Dharma From Vaishnava Siddhanta Mala by Thakura Bhaktivinoda: From Srila Prabhupada:

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/08-05/editorials26.htm C.C. Madhya 20.109,111: suryamsu kirana yaiche agni-jalaya svabhavika krsnera tina prakara sakti haya krsnera svabhavika-tina-sakti-parinati cic-chakti jiva-sakti ara maya-sakti The living entity is a manifestation simultaneously one and different from the Lord, like a molecular particle of sunshine or fire. Krsna has three varieties of energy. Lord Krsna naturally has three energetic transformations, and these are known as the spiritual energy, the living entity energy, and the illusory energy C.C. Madhya 8.150-152: krsnera ananta-sakti, ta'te tina pradhana cic-chakti, mayasakti, jiva-sakti-nama antaranga,bahiranga, tatastha kahi yare antaranga svarupa-sakti sabara upare Krsna has unlimited potencies, which can be divided into three main parts. These are the spiritual energy, the material energy and the marginal energy, which is known as the living entities. In other words, these are all potencies of God - internal, external, and marginal. However, the internal energy is the Lord's personal energy and stands over the other two. Why does the Internal or Cit or Antaranga Shakti stand over the other two? From Bhaktivinoda's The Bhagavat: Antaranga-shakti Antaranga is that which pertains to the proper Entity of the Absolute Person. It is also called Swarupa-shakti for this reason. The literal meaning of the word antaranga is "that which belongs to the inner body." Shakti is rendered as "power." From Bhaktivinoda's Jaiva Dharma: Krsna is self-effulgent, like a blazing fire or the sun. Krsna is like a blazing fire. In the centre of the fire is the cit-sakti (svarupa sakti), it is present in fullness. In addition to the centre there is also a great expanse illuminated by the fire. The same way the Krsna-sun illumines a great area with sunlight. The rays of sunlight are particles of His internal potency (svarupa sakti). Those atomic particles that constitute those rays of sunlight are the individual spirit souls. The internal potency (svarupa sakti) manifests the Krsna-sun planet itself. The sunlight emanating from that planet is manifested by the cit-sakti (svarupa sakti) and the individual particles of light are manifested by the jiva-sakti. Therefore the individual spirit souls are manifested by the jiva-sakti. Cit Shakti, the Internal energy, is Krishna proper. If we take into account the totality of reality, the totality of God, we have Bhagavan, the Internal energy, External energy, and Jiva. The Internal energy is God proper. Also from Jaiva Dharma: Srila Jiva Gosvami describes the Supreme Person in these words: "The Absolute Truth is one. Still, by His inconceivable potency He is manifested in four ways: 1. svarupa (His original form), 2. tad-rupa-vaibhava (His incarnations), 3. jiva (the individual spirit souls), and 4. pradhana (the material energy). These four features are like: 1. the interior of the sun planet, 2. the sun's surface, 3. the sunlight, and 4. the reflection of the sun." This example of course, explains only a small part of the Lord's nature. His svarupa (original form) is His form of eternity, knowledge and bliss. His svarupa-vaibhava (manifestations of His form) are His spiritual abode, name, associates and paraphernalia. The jiva-sakti is the abode of the numberless eternally liberated and conditioned individual souls, who are tiny particles of spirit. Jiva Goswami explains the personal incarnations and spiritual abode, name, associates (personal expansions) and paraphernalia of the Lord to be like the sun's surface and the Lord to be like the sun's interior. What this means is that when you look at the sun you only see the surface, but underneath is the sun. So when you look at a personal expansion of the Lord or the Lord's abode, etc, they may display a great variety of forms, personas, pastimes, etc. But underneath they are all the same Supreme Lord. That is the Antaranga or Cit Sakti which is always completely identical to the Lord.

Swami B.G. Narasingha,

Is it hard to understand that She will never, ever fall down? We are looking for authoritative quotes!

Sarva gattah, you still have not answered this question: Can such persons "fall down" or at least "dream" their way into the mahat-tattva? Can they temporarily (for millions of lifetimes) forget Krsna? Can Mother Yasoda forget Krsna? Can Srimati Radharani forget Krsna? Who are these persons? Are they jivas or not?

The result of the German intervention in Poland - Polish garrison of Warsaw marching out of city after the surrender. 2/19/41 --- Monsieur, Do you cry also for zee Pollack masses aflicted by zee German invasion and zen zee the Rein of Terror by Harikesa and Suhotra in the next generation?

In den ISKCON Mitteln bleiben, an den Bügel angeschlossen zu werden, zu den eifrigen Anhängern sowie zur Autoritätsstruktur von ISKCON, nämlich die Bügel vorteilhaft abgeschaffen zu werden, die Bügeleifrigen Anhänger, der Bügelpräsident und die älteren eifrigen Anhänger dieses Bereichs, das GBC und andere Gurus! Erinnern Sie sich, Proletariat SCHWEIN und sein ist VERBOTEN und wird bestraft werden mit Gewissenhaftigkeit!!!!!!!!! Ravindra Swarupa's 1999 identity document as a member of the GBC

Cher monsieur, s'abstiennent svp à signaler cette image à l'avenir pour elle me conduit graduellement au bord de la santé d'esprit!

I remember reading about ten years ago how Mother Therressa noted that even the poorest people who she worked to help in Kolkata had a certain dignity about them that was almost entirely lacking in the West. She attributed this to a spiritual poverty that most Westerners were suffering from living in a culture of the most gross materialism possible.

Sarva gattah, are you saying that Mother Yasoda, Nanda Maharaj, Subal, Sridama, Madhumangal, Lalita, Visaka, Tungabhadra, Candravali and other parisads are ordinary jiva souls? Are you saying that they don't have a special position?

From where does the "plain sheet of consciousness" originate? Hint: sarva karna karanam.

Why did Srila Prabhupada use the phrase, "back to Godhead"? Why didn't he phrase it, "back to Goloka"? Why didn't he call his magazine, "Wake up Your Already in Goloka"? - Speaking of apparent contradictions, "back" to somewhere you really "are"? You philosophy is like a bad sequel to a great movie, like Back to the Future III!

Where did he say, "that impoverished 6 year old starving children should beshown the futility of seeking lasting happiness and fulfillment in mundane life..."? Of course he was writing of children who are affluent compared to very poor Third World children. No need to state the obvious.

Swami B.V. Tripurari, This means that the baddha jiva becomes infused with the svaupa sakti through the grace of Srimati Radharani and Her representative, Sri Guru. "The partial expression of the svarupa sakti that the jiva is constituted of is insufficient to afford it standing in the lila of Bhagavan in and of itself." So this is a prime difference between how a baddha jiva and a jivan mukta in the spiritual world are "constituted". Without this infusion of svarupa shakti or what Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur sometimes refers to as cit-shakti the jiva cannot stand in the lila of Bhagavan. Do you think that Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur made all this up and that he was some kind of an impersonalist?

Can you prove this from quotes from sastra?

Silly Rabbit, Vrndavana is for kids!!!!

Okay suppose it's not for money. Still isn't it quaint? A few elderly "Hindu" monks in a temple that's generally very empty and now the public comes there to vote. Anyway ISKCON Berkeley became a madhouse when Caru allowed Jiva and his womens "collecting" party to run wild in late 1976. For them it certainly was a party. And then the GBC sent "His Divine Grace" Hamasadutta Swami to "reform" the situation in 1978. Oh yeah, he reformed it alright, right out of the frying pan into the fire. And then the aftermath - the struggle of ISKCON Berkeley just to survive. Now they have a very small program but ironically there are several dozen devotees who are now in different Gaudiya Math groups living within 20 or 30 miles. Nothing like an inclusive mood to encourage participation! I guess it just proves that you get back what you dish out.

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