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    Srila Bhaktivinode Thakura, Sri Chaitanya Siksamrtam 6.5

     

    Putana represents the fake guru who teaches bhukti and mukti, material enjoyment and liberation. Devotees attached to bhukti and mukti are like Putana. Being merciful to the pure devotees, Krishna as a baby, killed Putana to protect the devotees' newly appearing affection for him.

    The cart represents the load produced by old and recently acquired bad habits, by laxity and by pride. The mood created by thinking of baby Krishna breaks the cart, or removes this evil.

    The whirlwind demon represents pride in being learned, and the consequent use of faulty arguments and dry logic, the quest for liberation, and association with such people. This includes all types atheists believing in material causality. Being merciful on seeing the affection for the devotee to Him baby Krishna kills that whirlwind and removes the obstacles to worship.

    Pride stemming from intoxication with wealth, which breeds violence, illicit sex and addiction to wine, and finally loose speaking and shameless brutality to other living beings, is represented by the Yamala Arjuna trees. Krishna, being merciful, removes this sin in breaking the Yamala Arjuna trees.

    Being controlled by greed and the sinful activities caused by it are represented by Vatsasura. By Krishna's mercy this fault is vanquished.

    False dealing due to deceit and cheating are represented by Bakasura. Without eliminating this, pure bhakti does not appear.

    The sinful mentality to do violence to others is represented by Aghasura. This tendency must be removed. It is one of the offenses.

    Skepticism due to practicing jnana and karma and disregard for the sweetness of Krishna from attachment to the Lord's majestic aspect are presented by Brahma when he was put into illusion by Krishna.

    Complete ignorance of spiritual truth, originating from material intelligence, lack of spiritual intuition and foolishness, which is contrary to spiritual knowledge, is represented by Dhenuka.

    Pride, deceit, harming others, cruelty, represented by Kaliya must be given up by the devotee.

    Any type of conflict such as argument, disagreement with other sampradayas, malice to devatas, fighting are represented by the forest fire.

    Pralambasura represents lust for women, greed, desire for worship and position. These must also be given up.

    The forest fire which Krishna swallowed represents the obstacles that atheists create against dharma and preachers of dharma.

    The brahmanas performing yajna represent indifference to Krishna caused by identity with varnasrama or absorption in karma khanda.

    Worship of Indra signifies worship of many gods, or worship of self as God.

    Varuna symbolizes intoxicants. Some people mistakenly think that liquor will increase spiritual bliss. Such thinking must be given up.

    The snake which attempted to swallow Nanda Maharaja represents Mayavada and similar philosophies which try to swallow up the real nature of bhakti. Mayavada association must be avoided.

    Sankhacuda symbolizes desire for fame and desire for women.

    Aristasura the bull demon symbolizes disregard for bhakti and attraction for cheating religion.

    The illusion of being a great devotee or acarya, is represented by Kesi. Lording it over others and material pride must be given up.

    Vyomasura represents thieves and fake devotees.

     

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    Of course it is a matter of one's personal preference what one chooses to believe, but it might be noteworthy that this position (of karma being anadi, beginningless) is the siddhanta of the Vedanta-sutra that is accepted across the board by all strands of Vaishnavism. The implication is the the jiva has always been fallen, hence the term nitya-baddha. When we speak of the soul "originating in the brahmajyoti", that is simply referring to what the soul is made of. It is a spark of God - sac-cid-ananda. That is confirmed in Bhagavad-gita also: mamaivamso jivaloka jivabhutah sanatanah.

     

    Karma is anadi (beginningless).

    This is certainly true.

    Material existence and the jiva-soul are also beginningless (gita 13.20).

    However a soul who attains mukti (nirvisesha-brahma) becomes liberated in the unity of Brahman and becomes from from karma. Karma has no beginning but it can end.

    Shankaracharya taught the path to sayujya mukti and many souls have walked that path.

    There are souls who are liberated and merged in God's impersonal aspect called Brahma (brahman). The "nigarbha-yogī" atmarama souls who adore God in his impersonal aspect are listed as "santa bhaktas" by Sri Chaitanya.

     

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    Madhya 24.164

    ei saba śānta yabe bhaje bhagavān

    'śānta' bhakta kari' tabe kahi tāńra nāma

    "These thirteen types of yogīs and munis are called śānta-bhaktas, for they render transcendental loving service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the neutral stage.

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    They are impersonalists. They worship Krishna in the form of "formless Brahman". They can fall down into Maya. But the bhaktas in Vaikuntha never fall down.

     

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    Madhya 24.155

    sagarbha, nigarbha, — ei haya dui bheda

    eka eka tina bhede chaya vibheda

    TRANSLATION

    "The two types of ātmārāma-yogīs are called sagarbha and nigarbha. Each of these is divided into three; therefore there are six types of worshipers of the Supersoul.

    PURPORT

    The word sagarbha-yogī refers to a yogī who worships the Supersoul in the Viṣṇu form. The nigarbha-yogī worships the Supersoul without form. The sagarbha and nigarbha yogīs are further categorized: (1) sagarbha-yogārurukṣu, (2) nigarbha-yogārurukṣu, (3) sagarbha-yogārūḍha, (4) nigarbha-yogārūḍha, (5) sagarbha-prāpta-siddhi and (6) nigarbha-prāpta-siddhi.

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    Such a great mass of souls who are of this temperament are existing, this mood of adoration of the Formless God, that compared to them the number of liberated devotees is very small.

     

     

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    muktānām api siddhānāḿ nārāyaṇa-parāyaṇaḥ

    sudurlabhaḥ praśāntātmā koṭiṣv api mahā-mune

    TRANSLATION

    O great sage, among many millions who are liberated and perfect in knowledge of liberation, one may be a devotee of Lord Nārāyaṇa, or Kṛṣṇa. Such devotees, who are fully peaceful, are extremely rare.

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    Why waste our time and energy reasoning with the likes of Vigraha and Sarva-gattah, who have evidently given up thinking - let us all focus single-mindedly on bhajana and sadhana, as that is where our welfare lies.

     

    Sri Sri Guru Gaurangau Jayatah

     

    Hare Krsna

     

    Gaura Premanande Hari Bol

     

    Yes I agree

     

    Gaura Premanande!

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    In is way it is clear that every living entity (marginal potency) has/is an original devotional bodily form that is perpetually serving Krishna in unlimited pastimes within either Goloka-Vrndavana or Vaikuntha whether they are aware of who they really are or not.

    Can't you see the absurdity of what you are preaching?

     

    Souls in Goloka are nitya-siddhas. They have no material dreams. They only dream of different ways of serving Sri Sri Radha-Krishna.

     

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    The mahat-tattva cloud of the dreaming

     

     

    In the corner of the painting above, one can see the less significant and smaller mahat-tattva unpreserved cloud, also in that Spiritual Sky (perishable material universe divided by past, present and future and only 25% of creation)

     

    This dark cloud is nothing other than the rebellious dreams, thoughts, desires and impersonal escape of just a few of those eternal bodily personalities (nitya-siddha-svarupa-atma-vigraha devotees).

     

    Ones secondary consciousness (nitya-baddha) enters the dark cloud in the Spiritual Sky or Brahmajyoti due to ones desires and the choice not to be with Krishna as their devotional nitya-siddha-svarupa form or body.

     

    Very interesting.

     

    In the photo above, on the top left side you can see some guys getting blasted with fire coming out of the mouths of the Virata Rupa form of the Lord.

     

    These barbecued people all used to be Gopis but they decided to enjoy life in the material world for a while.

     

    What fun they are enjoying in the material world!

     

    When they were all burned up their hair got very badly roasted. This event is the origin of the well known experience of having a bad hair day. Everything comes from Vaikuntha -- even bad hair days. But these barbecued people aren't really disturbed by any of this because in reality their Vigraha (Svarupa) Satchitananda Nitya Leela Eternal Form of Bliss and TRUE EVERLASTING SELF is somewhere else.

     

    I think I should be somewhere else too.

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    Guru Maharaj didn't claim to be infallible. He forgot my name, and couldn't remember me when I went to see him a week or so before his departure from this world. Guru Maharaj taught us to think and not to be blind believers.

     

    Some people believe all the truths in the universe are written in some books. But according to Brahma Samhita the trees in Goloka can give us items such as aroti paraphenalia or anything else. Even a speck of dust in Goloka can give infinite ecstasy. Goloka is beyond our brain and beyond our imagination. And Guru Maharaj said that if we "expect the unexpected" then we will make progress --- the class of people who think they know everything and that there is nothing new to learn, those people don't allow themself to move forward and learn new lessons in the next classroom.

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    The teachings of the Spiritual Master are absolute so Prabhupadas books, tapes (that all his books are via Dictaphone anyway) lectures, classes, morning walks, interviews and letters are all as equal as each other.

    Numerous devotees have pointed out that what Srila Prabhupada said must be viewed in consideration of the "Guru, Sadhu, Shastra" principle.

     

    When Narada told the hunter "if you kill animals then kill them outright, don't leave them half-killed", was Narada promoting animal slaughter? No.

     

    We were told it is OK to have sex for procreation, but then it is also said that it is better not to have sex at all. Which path is the proper path, no sex or occasional sex?

     

    Srila Prabhupada also said "chant sixteen rounds" but in Sri Caitanya Bhagavata we read this:

     

    prabhu bale,-"jana, 'laksesvara' bali kare?

    prati-dina laksa-nama ye grahana kare"

    Caitanya-bhagavata Madhya Khanda 9.121-122

    Here is the commentary of Sri Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati to this verse:

     

    sri gaurasundera balibena - "jini pratidina laksanama grahana

    karibena, tanharai grhe bhagavan sevita hana."

    Sri Gaurasundara spoke as follows - "The Supreme Personality of Godhead accepts service only in the home of those who chant one hundred thousand names daily.

    "one hundred thousand names" is 64 rounds.

    When I received Harinama from my Guru Maharaj he told me I could chant 64 rounds or more each day. 16 if I am busy. He mentioned that Srila A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada had said 16 rounds is advisable. If there are many things to do we can chant 4 rounds.

    I like to chant 64 or more rounds. Chanting 2 lakhs or Sri Nama (128) is really beautiful but it takes me ten hours to do that. However if one day I get told that I have terminal cancer I will stop everything else and chant 3 lakh Nama each day. Would this be doing what "Prabhupada says" to do? No. He taught differently. Yet it is what Sri Chaitanya likes, as we see in the case of Haridasa Thakura who chanted 3 lakh names.

    Vigraha your ISKCON way of thinking and acting is not the only way that people can follow in order to go "Back to Godhead".

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    Theist

     

    Perhaps Srila Prabhupada said to his disciples not to discuss this point but this point has been elaborately discussed by other acharyas.

     

    And what about people like me who are not even disciples of Srila Prabhupada?

     

    Sri Jiva Goswami and Srila Sanatana Goswami both taught that jiva souls arise from Brahman.

     

    Anadi-siddha souls can enter Vaikuntha or enter Maya. The word "anadi-siddha" or in other words "unborn siddha souls" is Sanatana's word he uses to describe souls who are eternally existing within formless Brahman. If they do not adore Brahman but instead think they are ONE or EQUAL with Brahman they can fall down. This is the teaching of the Goswamis.

     

    My Guru told me the same thing, and I've read it in the writings of Srila Prabhupada too. People like Vigraha and Suhotra das who say that the Vrajabashis, the Gopas and Gopis, those Great Souls sometimes choose to forget Krishna and choose to go to hell to enjoy some physical enjoyment, those people are promoting nonsense ideas that are pure ignorance.

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    Both the dreams of Maha-Vishnu and the atma-vigraha devotee’s originate from the uninterrupted Spiritual Sky (Krishna’s Goloka-Vrndavana/Vaikuntha realm) that has been a mystery to even many great Vishnavas (devotee’s of Krishna) in the past, yet correctly understood by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

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    Are you now admitting no "Vishnavas (devotee’s of Krishna) in the past" including Sukadeva, Vyasa, Bhaktivinode Thakur, Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura or Rupa and Sanatana ever taught that the associates of the Lord in Vaikuntha are dreaming they are experiencing birth and death in the material world?

    Since you have never produced a single quote from any of these Acharyas to back up your "dream-fall" theory, do you acknowledge that none of the previous Acharyas support this idea that soul dreams he has fallen into material suffering?

    Please explain this proposition you make, that it is only His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada who has really "understood" this new truth, a new revelation that the previous Acharyas had not understood?

    Sri Chaitanya explained jiva-tattva to Sanatan Goswami, and Sanatana, Rupa, Kaviraj Gosai and others have repeated what they heard. All of them talk about how souls have come into material existence, and none of them mention this idea you allege Srila Prabhupada was teaching.

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    Vigraha has not answered the simple question I asked him, which is on the bottom of page 5

     

    Vigraha, perhaps you missed this simple question. Please answer it

     

    I wrote:

     

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    Vigraha, you almost never answer the questions you are asked.

     

    Will you answer this one question of mine.

     

    According to your philosophy nobody falls down from Vaikuntha, they merely enter into a dream of material existence. Further, in the spiritual world there is no passage of time, so the aeons of time that a soul who is dreaming he is in Maya spends feeling different types of suffering, that period of time has no real duration. This is what I understand you are saying. Correct me if I'm wrong.

     

    What I want to ask is this: those souls who are in Vaikuntha who are dreaming about material existence, do they experience a feeling of suffering? They observe "themself" being born as a mosquito or dog and they experience getting killed millions of times. Do these souls in Vaikuntha having this material dream feel any suffering?

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    If they do and feel all this, then that is not possible. I have never ever read that this is happening there and its a total speculation. The people who say that we are still in vaikuntha are dreaming an impossible dream.

     

    What is happening to them, how have they become so speculative?

    We never read about anything like this and yet they are propagating it and even make fun of those who understand the philosophy properly.

     

    So here they are in this world, thinking themselfes to be in Vaikuntha where no one can even have a bad dream. There is no maya so how can maya enter their dream?

     

    Forget it lads, wakey wakey!! :sleep:

     

    Well said, Prabhu

     

    But I still want Vigraha to give me a clear answer to this question

     

    ys,

    Murali

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    Vigraha, you almost never answer the questions you are asked.

     

    Will you answer this one question of mine.

     

    According to your philosophy nobody falls down from Vaikuntha, they merely enter into a dream of material existence. Further, in the spiritual world there is no passage of time, so the aeons of time that a soul who is dreaming he is in Maya spends feeling different types of suffering, that period of time has no real duration. This is what I understand you are saying. Correct me if I'm wrong.

     

    What I want to ask is this: those souls who are in Vaikuntha who are dreaming about material existence, do they experience a feeling of suffering? They observe "themself" being born as a mosquito or dog and they experience getting killed millions of times. Do these souls in Vaikuntha having this material dream feel any suffering?

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    Timeline of the Manhattan Project

    1939

     

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    A letter from Albert Einstein, authored by Leo Szilard, began the U.S. government's early efforts towards atomic weapons.

    [edit] 1940

    [edit] 1941

    • February 26 — Conclusive discovery of plutonium by Glenn Seaborg and Arthur Wahl.
    • March — MAUD Committee prepares interim report urging immediate action and sends it to USA. Lyman Briggs locks it in his safe and fails to tell Uranium Committee. [1]
    • May 17 — A report by Arthur Compton and the National Academy of Sciences is issued which finds favorable the prospects of developing nuclear power production for military use. Vannevar Bush creates the Office of Scientific Research and Development (OSRD)
    • July 15 — The MAUD Committee issues final detailed technical report on design and costs to develop a bomb. Advance copy sent to Vannevar Bush who decides to wait for official version before taking any action
    • August — Mark Oliphant travels to USA to urge development of a bomb rather than power production [2]
    • October 3 — Official copy of MAUD Report reaches Bush
    • October 9 — Bush takes MAUD Report to Roosevelt who approves project to confirm MAUD's findings
    • December 6 — Vannevar Bush holds a meeting to organize an accelerated research project, still managed by Arthur Compton. Harold Urey is assigned to develop research into gaseous diffusion as a uranium enrichment method, while Ernest O. Lawrence is assigned to investigate electromagnetic separation methods.
    • December 7 — The Japanese attack Pearl Harbor. The United States issues a formal declaration of war against Japan the next day. Four days later, Nazi Germany declares war on the United States.
    • December 18 — First meeting of the OSRD sponsored S-1 project, dedicated to developing fission weapons.

    [edit] 1942

     

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    Gen. Leslie Groves and physicist Robert Oppenheimer became the military and scientific heads of the Manhattan Project.

    [edit] 1943

     

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    Massive calutrons at Oak Ridge, Tennessee, worked around the clock to enrich uranium for a bomb.

    [edit] 1944

     

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    The two types of fission weapon designs pursued during the Manhattan Project.

    • April 5 — At Los Alamos, Emilio Segrè receives the first sample of reactor-bred plutonium from Oak Ridge, and within ten days discovers that the spontaneous fission rate is too high for use in a gun-type fission weapon.
    • May — Fermi at Los Alamos tests the world's third reactor, LOPO, the first aqueous homogeneous reactor, and the first fueled by enriched uranium.
    • July 4 — Oppenheimer reveals Segrè's final measurements to the Los Alamos staff, and the development of the gun-type plutonium weapon "Thin Man" is abandoned. Designing a workable "implosion" design becomes top priority of the laboratory.
    • July 20 — The Los Alamos organizational structure is completely changed to reflect the new priority of "implosion".
    • September 2 — Peter N. Bragg, Jr. and Douglas P. Meigs, chemists on the projects, are killed, and Arnold Kramish almost killed, while attempting to clean a clog out of a uranium enrichment device as part of the pilot thermal diffusion plant at the Philadelphia Navy Yard. Two soldiers, George LeFevre and John Tompkins, also receive extensive injuries. An explosion of liquid uranium hexafluoride, which burst nearby steam pipes, which combined with the uranium hexafluoride to shower the men with the highly corrosive hydrofluoric acid. [3]
    • December — A new test reactor comes on line at Los Alamos, HYPO, using uranyl nitrate in an aqueous homogeneous reactor.

    [edit] 1945

     

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    The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the culmination of the wartime effort.

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    Einstein conceived the theory of relativity. On the basis of his work it was theorized that it would be possible to split atoms and cause a nuclear explosion. The theory was put to the test, and was Einstein's "speculation" proven true or false?

     

    The atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima was proof that Einstein's view of the cosmos was valid.

     

    Einstein was not against spirituality. In this universe that Einstein described, Einstein felt there is room for genuine spirituality. In this physical universe, we are living on a small planet near a medium sized star. The moon we see is closer to the earth than the sun. Moreover, there are many suns in the universe. All the stars are suns. We all learned that at school, didn't we?

     

    And if fundamentalist preachers try and tell high school students that the sun is closer to earth than the moon then most of them will laugh at what they are being told. The stupid ones may believe it is true. And then they may decide to join up....

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    tad gaccha dhruva bhadraḿ te

    bhagavantam adhokṣajam

    sarva-bhūtātma-bhāvena

    sarva-bhūtātma-vigraham

     

    SYNONYMS

    tat — therefore; gaccha — come; dhruva — Dhruva; bhadram — good fortune; te — unto you; bhagavantam — unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead; adhokṣajam — who is beyond the concepts of material senses; sarva-bhūta — all living entities; ātma-bhāvena — by thinking of them as one; sarva-bhūta — in all living entities; ātma — the Supersoul; vigraham — having form.

     

     

    TRANSLATION

    My dear Dhruva, come forward. May the Lord always grace you with good fortune. The Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is beyond our sensory perception, is the Supersoul of all living entities, and thus all entities are one, without distinction. Begin, therefore, to render service unto the transcendental form of the Lord, who is the ultimate shelter of all living entities.

     

     

    PURPORT

    Here the word vigraham, "having specific form," is very significant, for it indicates that the Absolute Truth is ultimately the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is explained in the Brahma-saḿhitā. Sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ: [Bs. 5.1] He has form, but His form is different from any kind of material form. The living entities are the marginal energy of the supreme form. As such, they are not different from the supreme form, but at the same time they are not equal to the supreme form. Dhruva Mahārāja is advised herewith to render service unto the supreme form. That will include service to other individual forms. For example, a tree has a form, and when water is poured on the root of the tree, the other forms — the leaves, twigs, flowers and fruits — are automatically watered. The Māyāvāda conception that because the Absolute Truth is everything He must be formless is rejected here. Rather, it is confirmed that the Absolute Truth has form, and yet He is all-pervading. Nothing is independent of Him.

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    That's an interesting quote.

     

    I haven't seen it before.

     

    THanks.

     

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    Your either with Prabhupada or against him. The choice is yours

     

    :rolleyes2:

     

    Rupa, Sanatana, Bhaktivinoda, Bhaktisiddhanta... none of them ever taught that souls fall from Vaikuntha and enter into samsara.

     

    If I choose to believe in them and not in your ideas, then am I against Srila Prabhupada?

     

    In his books I read this:

     

     

    The all-pervading feature of the Lord — which exists in all circumstances of waking and sleeping as well as in potential states and from which the jīva-śakti (living force) is generated as both conditioned and liberated souls — is known as Brahman. Since the Lord is the origin of both Paramātmā and Brahman, He is the origin of all living entities and all else that exists.

     

    http://www.isopanisad.com/16/en

     

     

    I believe this

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    "We are all originally Krishna conscious entities . . ."

     

    means

     

    We were originally conscious of Krishna in his Brahman aspect

     

     

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    Madhya 24.155

    sagarbha, nigarbha, — ei haya dui bheda

    eka eka tina bhede chaya vibheda

    TRANSLATION

    "The two types of ātmārāma-yogīs are called sagarbha and nigarbha. Each of these is divided into three; therefore there are six types of worshipers of the Supersoul.

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    The word sagarbha-yogī refers to a yogī who worships the Supersoul in the Viṣṇu form. The nigarbha-yogī worships the Supersoul without form. The sagarbha and nigarbha yogīs are further categorized: (1) sagarbha-yogārurukṣu, (2) nigarbha-yogārurukṣu, (3) sagarbha-yogārūḍha, (4) nigarbha-yogārūḍha, (5) sagarbha-prāpta-siddhi and (6) nigarbha-prāpta-siddhi.

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    Madhya 24.164

    ei saba śānta yabe bhaje bhagavān

    'śānta' bhakta kari' tabe kahi tāńra nāma

    "These thirteen types of yogīs and munis are called śānta-bhaktas, for they render transcendental loving service to the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the neutral stage.

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    The nigarbha-yogi worships the Supersoul without form. They are impersonalists. They worship Krishna in the form of "formless Brahman". They can fall down into Maya. But the bhaktas who adore God in a Personal Form in Vaikuntha never fall down.

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    Hmmm.... let me get this straight

     

    Guruvani was initiated by the flute, so that makes him a servant of the flute

     

    Murali-mohana das is the servant of the charming Lord who holds a flute

     

    And I am known as Muralidhar das

     

    So then my brothers, what do you think about this:::::

     

     

    Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta Antya 1.162

     

    sad-vaḿśatas tava janiḥ puruṣottamasya

    pāṇau sthitir muralike saralāsi jātyā

    kasmāt tvayā sakhi guror viṣamā gṛhītā

    gopāńganā-gaṇa-vimohana-mantra-dīkṣā

     

     

    "'My dear friend the flute, it appears that you have been born of a very good family, for your residence is in the hands of Śrī Kṛṣṇa. By birth you are simple and are not at all crooked. Why then have you taken initiation into this dangerous mantra that enchants the assembled gopīs?'

     

     

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