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"Let there be supreme victory for the chanting of the holy name of Sri-Krsna alone, which cleanses the mirror of the heart and completely extinguishes the blazing forest fire of material existence. Sri-krsna-sankirtanam diffuses the soothing moon rays of bhava which causes the white lotus of good fortune for the jivas to bloom. The holy name is the life and soul of transcendental knowledge, which is here compared to a wife. It continuously expands the ocean of transcendental bliss, enabling one to taste complete nectar at every step. The holy name of Sri-Krsna thoroughly cleanses and cools the self, one's nature and determination, as well as the body both internal and external." -- 2006 WW4

Hare Krishna, Has anybody bought this book? Is it same as The Full 7 Set? I'm thinking about getting it. Hare Krishna

Krishna came to see His devotees. His external energy known as Maya can kick any Demons. When Krishna expanded His body each body was different in Character, this was in Dwaraka. And into each Palace was Krisna Queen. This is not the same as what you have mentioned. It says in Bhagavatam Krishna expands as Vishnu into every atom. The argument you use is, Swami-Narayana only said He was Krishna so you would be attracted. But actually He wanted you to worship Him [sN]. If that's the case what is the need for Shikpatram? What real substance do you gain from this Scripture? Are you not actually intrepretating the words of Swami-Narayana? Instead of following His teachings? Jesus Christ also showed many miracles..

`Swaminarayan himself worshipped and stated that Krishna is the Lord of us all in the Sikhsapatri. The hare-krishna followers are following the Sikhsapatri perfectly and thus are more loyal to swaminarayan than BAPS, which is not following the Sikhsapatri.` Good point Prabhu, I like to add that thier is only one Avatara of Godhead mentioned in the sastras. [bhagavatam] The 'yellowish incarnation' Golden Aavatara. Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu, who came 500 years ago.! Swami-Narayanas state that He {SM} is mentioned in the Sastras, though it cannot actually be verified he was Godhead, besides this fact thier own scripture states to worship Krishna, so all round misintrepretation. Anyway going on the first part, about Incarnation, Sastra says that 'The Aavatara' already came. So already on this point we can conclude that Swami-Narayana was NOT Godhead.

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Sriman Mahaprabhur Sata-Nama One Hundred Names of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu -4 songs- Song 1 (refrain) nadiya-nagare nitai nece' nece' gay re HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare (Refrain:) Oh! In the towns and villages of Nadiya, Lord Nityananda ecstatically dances and sings these names of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu: Part 1 (1) jagannatha-suta mahaprabhu visvambhara mayapur-sasi navadvipa-sudhakara HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 1) Lord Caitanya is the beloved son of Jagannatha Misra. He is Mahaprabhu, the great master, and maintainer of the whole world. He is the shining moon of Mayapur, and the source of all nectar for the land of Navadvipa. (2) saci-suta gaurahari nimai-sundara radha-bhava-kanti-acchadita natabara HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 2) He is the beloved son of Saci Mata, and is Lord Hari with a fair golden complexion. As He was born under a nim tree He was called Nimai-sundara (beautiful Nimai). He is covered by the sentiment and luster of Srimati Radharani, and He is the best of all dancers. (3) namananda capala balaka matr-bhakta brahmanda-vadana tarki kautukanurakta HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 3) He becomes restless upon hearing the holy names of Lord Hari. In His boyhood pastimes He is swift and agile, and is devoted to His mother. He displays the entire universe within His mouth, is a great logician, and is fond of joking and playing pranks. Part 2 (4) vidyarthi-udupa caura-dvayera mohana tairthika-sarvasva gramya-balika-kridana HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 4) He is the moon among scholarly students, and He bewildered two thieves who tried to steal His jewels when He was a small child. He is the cynosure of all philosophers, and He teased and joked with the village girls of Nadiya. (5) laksmi-prati bora-data uddhata balaka sri-sacira pati-putra-soka-nibaraka HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 5) He is the giver of blessings to Laksmi-priya (His first wife). He is very mischievous as a child, and is the dispeller of the grief Saci-mata felt after losing her husband Jagannatha and first son Visvarupa. (6) laksmi-pati purva-desa-sarva-klesa-hara digvijayi-darpa-hari visnu-priyeswara HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 6) He is the Lord and husband of Laksmi-priya. By His sankirtan movement He removed all the distress of East Bengal. He eradicated the pride of the conquering pandita named Kesava Kasmiri, and is the beloved Lord of Visnu-priya (His second wife). Part 3 (7) arya-dharma-pala pitr-gaya pinda-data puri-sisya madhvacarya-sampradaya-pata HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 7) He is the preserver of sanatana-dharma, and the giver of the pinda oblation at the holy town of Gaya after the disappearance of His father Jagannath Misra. He became the disciple of isvara Puri, and is the protector of the Madhvacarya Sampradaya. (8) krsna-namonmatta krsna-tattva-adhyapaka nama-sankirtana-yuga-dharma-pravartaka HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 8) He becomes madly intoxicated by tasting the holy name of Krsna, and is the professor of the science of Krsna consciousness. Thus He inaugurated the religion of the age, nama-sankirtan. (9) adwaita-bandhava srinivasa-grha-dhana nityananda-prana gadadharera jivana HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 9) He is the friend of Advaita Acarya, the treasure of Srivasa Thakura's home, the life and soul of Nityananda Prabhu, and the very source of life for Gadadhara Pandita. Part 4 (10) antardwipa-sasadhara simanta-vijaya godruma-bihari madhyadwipa-lilasraya HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 10) He is the moon of Antardvipa, and the triumph of Simantadvipa. He enjoys wandering and frolicking on the island of Godruma, and is the shelter of pastimes in Madhyadvipa. (11) koladwipa-pati rtudwipa-maheswara jahnu-modadruma-rudradwipera iswara HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 11) He is the Lord of Koladvipa, the great controller of Ritudvipa, and the creator of Jahnudvipa, Modadrumadvipa, and Rudradvipa. (12) nava-khanda-ranganatha jahnavi-jivana jagai-madhai-adi durvrtta-tarana HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 12) He is thus the Supreme Lord of the nine islands of Navadvipa, which serves as the stage for His wonderful pastimes. He is the life of the River Ganga, and the deliverer of all sorts of rogues and rascals beginning with Jagai and Madhai. Part 5 (13) nagara-kirtana-simha kaji-uddharana suddha-nama-pracaraka bhaktarti-harana HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 13) He is the lion of the village kirtanas, and the deliverer of Chand Kazi. He is the preacher of the pure holy name, and the remover of the distresses of His devotees. (14) narayani-krpa-sindhu jivera niyanta adhama-paduya-dandi bhakta-dosa-hanta HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 14) He is the ocean of mercy for Narayani (the mother of Srila Vrndavana dasa Thakura), and is the regulator of all souls. He is the chastiser of the fallen students who criticized His chanting of "gopi! gopi!", and is the destroyer of the sins of His devotees. (15) sri-krsna-caitanya-candra bharati-tarana parivraja-siromani utkala-pavana HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 15) He was initiated into sannyasa with the name of Sri Krsna Caitanya, and He is beautiful like the moon. He delivered His sannyasa-guru Kesava Bharati, is Himself the crest-jewel of all wandering renunciates, and is the savior of the region of Orissa. Part 6 (16) ambu-linga-bhuvanesa-kapotesa-pati khir-cora-gopala-darsana-sukhi yati HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 16) He is the master of Lord Siva, who is known in three different Saiva tirthas as Ambu-linga, Bhuvanesvara, and Kapotesvara (visited by Lord Caitanya on His way to Jagannatha Puri). As a sannyasi He rejoiced at the sight of the Orissan deities Ksira-cora Gopinatha and Saksi Gopala. (17) nirdandi-sannyasi sarvabhauma-krpamoya swananda-aswadanandi sarva-sukhasroya HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 17) He became a sannyasi without a danda (due to Lord Nityananda's breaking it in three parts and throwing it in the Bhargi River), and is full of mercy for Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya. He is ecstatic by tasting the bliss of Himself in the form of Krsna, and He is the resting place of all universal happiness. (18) purata-sundara vasudeva-trana-karta ramananda-sakha bhatta-kula-klesa-harta HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 18) He is beautiful like molten gold, and He delivered the leper Vasudeva. He is the intimate friend of Ramananda Ray, and the remover of all miseries from the family of Vyenkata Bhatta. Part 7 (19) bauddha-jain-mayavadi-kutarka-khandana daksina-pavana bhakti-grantha-uddharana HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 19) He is the refuter of the atheistic arguments of the Buddhists, Jains, and Mayavadis. He is the savior of South India, and He has brought to light the two devotional literatures, Krsna-karnamrta and Brahma-samhita. (20) alala-darsananandi rathagra-nartaka gajapati-trana devananda-uddharaka HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 20) He became ecstatic at the sight of the deity Alalanatha, and He danced in front of the Jagannatha cart during the Ratha-yatra festival. He delivered Gajapati Pratapa-Rudra, and was the savior of Devananda Pandita. (21) kuliya-prakase dusta paduyara trana rupa-sanantana-bandhu sarva-jiva-prana HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 21) By His appearance at Kuliya He delivered the ill-behaved student community there. He is the friend of Rupa and Sanatana Goswami, and the life of all souls. Part 8 (22) brndabanananda-murti balabhadra-sangi yavana-uddhari bhatta-ballabhera rangi HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 22) He is the personification of bliss in the transcendental realm of Vrndavana, and He is the companion and friend of Balabhadra Bhattacarya. On His return from Vrndavana He delivered many Mohammedans, and He is very fond of intimate exchanges with Vallabha Bhatta. (23) kasibasi-sannyasi-uddhari prema-data markata-vairagi-dandi a-candala-trata HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 23) He delivered the Mayavadi sannyasis of Kasi, and He is the bestower of love of God. He is the chastiser of the false renunciates (called markata-vairagis for being like monkeys), and He is the savior of everyone down to the lowest class of men. (24) bhaktera gaurava-kari bhakta-prana-dhana haridasa-raghunatha-swarupa-jivana HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 24) He is the glorifier of His devotees, and is the treasured wealth of their lives. He is the very life of such devotees as Haridasa Thakura, Raghunatha Dasa Goswami, and Svarupa Damodara. (25) nadiya-nagare nitai nece' nece' gay re bhakativinoda ta'r pode ranga-pay re HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 25) Oh! In the towns and villages of Nadiya, Lord Nityananda dances and dances ecstatically while singing these divine names, and Bhaktivinoda falls down at His reddish lotus feet. Oh! Song 2 (1) jaya godruma-pati gora nitai-jivana, advaitera dhana, vrndavana-bhava-vibhora gadadhara-prana, srivasa-sarana, krsna-bhakta-manasa-cora HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 1) All glories to Lord Gaura, the master of Godruma! He is the very life of Lord Nityananda, the treasure of Sri Advaita, and He is always overwhelmed with the ecstatic moods of Vrndavana. He is the life-breath of Gadadhara Pandita, the shelter of Srivasa Pandita, and the thief of the hearts of all the devotees of Lord Krsna. Song 3 (1) kali-yuga-pavana visvambhara gauda-citta-gagana-sasadhara kirtana-vidhata, para-prema-data, saci-suta purata-sundara HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 1) Lord Visvambhara is the savior of the age of Kali, the full moon in the sky of the hearts of Bengal, the inaugurator of congregational chanting, the bestower of transcendental ecstatic love, the beloved son of Mother Saci, and He has a pure golden complexion. Song 4 (1) krsna-caitanya advaita prabhu nityananda gadadhara srinivasa murari mukunda svarupa-rupa-sanatana-puri-ramananda HareKrishnaHareKrishnaKrishnaKrishnaHareHare HareRamaHareRamaRamaRamaHareHare 1) (Please chant these holy names of the Lord and His personal associates): Krsna- Caitanya, Advaita, Prabhu Nityananda, Gadadhara, Srinivasa, Murari, Mukunda, Svarupa, Rupa, Sanatana, Puri, and Ramananda.

www.krsnaconsciousness.org/Gauranga/Gauraranga-Forum.htm I did this years ago, but nobody joined or contributed. Ah well I had fun doing it, and I'm chanting 100 names of Gauranga everyday, so it did me good.

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Only the first download is working, I don't normally delete downloads, but there is hardly any space left [where did it all go?!]. -BVP Japa Tape is not available on-line except here: http://www.krsnaconsciousness.org/Gauranga/Gurudevchanting.mp3 Jaya Gurudeva!

Is judged by vaishnavas. And seen whether He has symptoms or not. You can read this in Chaitanya Charitamrta. http://caitanyacaritamrta.com/madhya/6/en1 TRANSLATION "My dear Bhattacarya, you do not know the greatness of Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu. All the symptoms of the Supreme Personality of Godhead are found in Him to the highest degree." PURPORT Since the Bhattacarya was an impersonalist, he had no idea of the Absolute Truth beyond the impersonal effulgence. However, Gopinatha Acarya informed him that Caitanya Mahaprabhu was the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Those who know the Absolute Truth know it in three phases, as explained in Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.2.11): vadanti tat tattva-vidas tattvam yaj jnanam advayam brahmeti paramatmeti bhagavan iti sabdyate "Those who are in knowledge of the nondual Absolute Truth know very clearly what is Brahman, what is Paramatma, and what is the Supreme Personality of Godhead." The Supreme Personality of Godhead is shad-aisvarya-purna, complete with six opulences. Gopinatha Acarya emphasized that all those six opulences were completely existing in Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. http://caitanyacaritamrta.com/madhya/6/78/en1 TRANSLATION "Another name for Lord Vishnu is Triyuga because there is no incarnation of Lord Vishnu in Kali-yuga. Indeed, this is the verdict of the revealed scriptures." PURPORT The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Vishnu, is known as Triyuga, which means that He is manifest in three yugas. However, this means that in the Age of Kali the Lord appears not directly but in disguise. This is confirmed in Srimad-Bhagavatam (7.9.38): ittham nri-tiryag-rishi-deva-jhashavatarair lokan vibhavayasi hamsi jagat-pratipan dharmam maha-purusha pasi yuganuvrittam channah kalau yad abhavas tri-yugo 'tha sa tvam "My Lord, You kill all the enemies of the world in Your multifarious incarnations in the families of men, animals, demigods, rishis, aquatics and so on. Thus You illuminate the worlds with transcendental knowledge. In the Age of Kali, O Mahapurusha, You sometimes appear in a covered incarnation. Therefore You are known as Triyuga [one who appears in only three yugas]." Srila Sridhara Svami has also verified that Lord Vishnu appears in the Age of Kali but does not act as He does in other ages. Lord Vishnu incarnates for two purposes: paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca dushkritam [bg. 4.8]. That is, He comes to engage in pastimes with His devotees and to annihilate the demons. These purposes are visible in the Satya, Treta and Dvapara yugas, but in Kali-yuga the Lord appears disguised. He does not directly kill demons and give protection to the faithful. Because the Lord is not directly perceived in Kali-yuga but is directly known in the other three yugas, His name is Triyuga. http://caitanyacaritamrta.com/madhya/6/95/en1 TRANSLATION "'In the past, your son has had bodies of three different colors, according to the age. These colors were white, red and yellow . In this age [Dvapara-yuga] He has accepted a blackish body.' PURPORT This verse from Srimad-Bhagavatam (10.8.13) was spoken by Garga Muni when he was performing the rituals at Lord Krishna's name-giving ceremony. He states that the incarnations of the Lord in other ages had been white, red and yellow. This yellow color refers to Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, whose bodily complexion was yellowish. This confirms that in past Kali-yugas the Lord also had incarnated in a body that was yellow in hue. It is understood that the Lord incarnates in different colors for the different yugas (Satya, Treta, Dvapara and Kali). Accepting the color yellow (pita), as well as other characteristics, the Lord incarnated as Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This is the verdict of all Vedic authorities. http://caitanyacaritamrta.com/madhya/6/101/en1 Chaitanya is the yellow [Golden] Incarnation, and Has His own transcdendental Dhama.

Is not a Yuga-avatara avatara.

A heart of stone. Give up your false petty knowledge. Seeya later, i'm leaving this forum, don't wanna hang around with fools like you here. Your a complete idiot, who cannot see a pure devotee. And you call yourself a Shiva-bhakta, your a disgrace. I said those things for your own good, hope it helps you, hare krishna.

http://www.hare-krishna.org/showflat.php?Board=HareKrishnaNews&Number=730 See bottam past of this wonderful lecture

not funny.

I won't look at the pics. Some people do anything to make money. Sorry I even came to this thread:(

Glad i'm in yr good books, i was scared for a min /images/graemlins/blush.gif

http://www.prabhupadavani.org/Gita/web/text/167.html Devotee (1): Srila Prabhupada, when one returns to his svarupa, his natural form, how does... Prabhupada: First of all, anartha-nivrtti. You are accustomed to so many bad habits. First of all try to rectify it...

I don't get what your getting at Prabhu.

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is not mentioned as a lila-avatara because He is an incarnation in disguise (channa-avatara). In this Age of Kali there are no lila-avataras, but there is an incarnation of the Lord manifested in the body of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. This has been explained in Srimad-Bhagavatam. http://caitanyacaritamrta.com/madhya/6/99/en1

Gaudiya Vaishnavas don't practise this, in fact they condemn it. This person doing this is laughable, due to Kali-yuga it's difficult to see who's devotees and who isn't. It's rare to find a devotee, but they don't dress up and practise rasa-lila, this is for Sahajiyas [those who take everything cheaply]. When a person cannot practice Bhakti-yoga in the Bona-fide way and is maybe envious of Krishna, then 'Kali'-yuga makes them into Kali-chelas. And they concont many ways. Go where their is purity, nobody asked you to goto Iskcon. But there are many pure devotees 'in' Iskcon, so you'd better be careful. Only Pure devotee can say something about an Organization such as Iskcon, but not to vilify but to offer advice. We shouldn't be arrongant but accept advice as given to us by Lord Nityananda Himself.

http://srimadbhagavatam.com/4/4/10/en1 The process of offering sacrifices is especially meant to <font color="red">satisfy Vishnu</font color> , who is called Yajnesa because He is the enjoyer of the fruits of all sacrifice. Bhagavad-gita (5.29) also confirms this fact. The Lord says, bhoktaram yajna-tapasam. He is the actual beneficiary of all sacrifices. Not knowing this fact, less intelligent men offer sacrifices for some material benefit. To derive personal material benefits for sense gratification is the reason persons like Daksha and his followers perform sacrifices. Such sacrifices are condemned here as a labor of love without actual profit. This is confirmed in Srimad-Bhagavatam. One may prosecute the Vedic injunctions of offering sacrifices and other fruitive activities, but if by such activities one does not develop attraction for Vishnu, they are useless labors. One who has developed love for Vishnu must develop love and respect for Vishnu's devotees. <font color="#666666">Lord Siva is considered the foremost personality amongst the Vaishnavas.</font color> Vaishnavanam yatha sambhuh. Thus when Sati saw that her father was performing great sacrifices but had no respect for the greatest devotee, Lord Siva, she was very angry. This is fitting; when Vishnu or a Vaishnava is insulted, one should be angry. Lord Caitanya, who always preached nonviolence, meekness and humility, also became angry when Nityananda was offended by Jagai and Madhai, and He wanted to kill them. When Vishnu or a Vaishnava is blasphemed or dishonored, one should be very angry. Narottama dasa Thakura said, krodha bhakta-dveshi jane. We have anger, and that anger can be a great quality when directed against a person who is envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead or His devotee. One should not be tolerant when a person is offensive towards Vishnu or a Vaishnava. The anger of Sati towards her father was not objectionable, for although he was her father, he was trying to insult the greatest Vaishnava. Thus Sati's anger against her father was quite applaudable. --- That Form is material form, it's not the same as the form krishna showed to Arjuna as Krishna says nobody had seen that form before him.

First of all let me say Prabhu that Srila Prabhupada is a great devotee of Lord Krishna, so you would do well to find out your answers in a humble and submmisive way, and not get sentimental and ovely angry in this situation. Please read them with a calm mind: For a Vaishnava there is no possibility of offending any demigods, and the demigods are also pleased with the Vaishnava because they are faultless devotees of Lord Vishnu. http://srimadbhagavatam.com/4/7/49/en1 [Purport] The five mantras mentioned in this connection are as follows: (1) Purusha, (2) Aghora, (3) Sadyojata, (4) Vamadeva, and (5) Isana. These five mantras are within the category of thirty-eight special Vedic mantras chanted by Lord Siva, who is therefore celebrated as Siva or Mahadeva. Another reason why Lord Siva is called Siva, which means "all-auspicious," is that he is self-illuminated, exactly like Lord Vishnu, who is the Paramatma. Because Lord Siva is directly an incarnation of Lord Vishnu, he is situated as Lord Vishnu's direct representative. This fact is corroborated by a Vedic mantra: patim visvasyatmesvaram sasvatam. sivam acyutam. The Supersoul is called by many names, of which Mahesvara, Siva and Acyuta are especially mentioned. http://srimadbhagavatam.com/8/7/29/en1 [Purport] Please read the following Chapter at the site given, you will see that Gaudiaya Vaishnava don't shy away from any subject as you have implied. <font color="#666666">Lord Sasa-shiva drinks the posion: </font color> TRANSLATION O King, when that uncontrollable poison was forcefully spreading up and down in all directions, all the demigods, along with the Lord Himself, approached Lord Siva [sadasiva]. Feeling unsheltered and very much afraid, they sought shelter of him. PURPORT One may question that since the Supreme Personality of Godhead was personally present, why did He accompany all the demigods and people in general to take shelter of Lord Sadasiva, instead of intervening Himself. In this connection Srila Madhvacarya warns: rudrasya yasaso 'rthaya svayam vishnur visham vibhuh na sanjahre samartho 'pi vayum coce prasantaye Lord Vishnu was competent to rectify the situation, but in order to give credit to Lord Siva, who later drank all the poison and kept it in his neck, Lord Vishnu did not take action. http://srimadbhagavatam.com/8/7/19/en1 <font color="#666666">Material Universe and Prayers to Lord Sada-shiva by the Demi-Gods: </font color> TRANSLATION O lord, you are the cause of bondage and liberation of the entire universe because you are its ruler. Those who are advanced in spiritual consciousness surrender unto you, and therefore you are the cause of mitigating their distresses, and you are also the cause of their liberation. We therefore worship Your Lordship. PURPORT Actually Lord Vishnu maintains and accomplishes all good fortune. If one has to take shelter of Lord Vishnu, why should the demigods take shelter of Lord Siva? They did so because Lord Vishnu acts through Lord Siva in the creation of the material world. Lord Siva acts on behalf of Lord Vishnu. When the Lord says in Bhagavad-gita (14.4) that He is the father of all living entities (aham bija-pradah pita), this refers to actions performed by Lord Vishnu through Lord Siva. Lord Vishnu is always unattached to material activities, and when material activities are to be performed, Lord Vishnu performs them through Lord Siva. Lord Siva is therefore worshiped on the level of Lord Vishnu. When Lord Vishnu is untouched by the external energy He is Lord Vishnu, but when He is in touch with the external energy, He appears in His feature as Lord Siva. http://srimadbhagavatam.com/8/7/22/en1 Please also read the above quotes, in the previous post, these are not to vilify anybody in fact they provide more clues as to your predicament. Thanking you.

As you can see from above.! This is said so people don't be fooled by Raskals [not my words even Vedas calls them], in Kali-yuga. And to say God can descend anytime, God has written this Vedas as incarnation called in this age who wrote Bhagavatam- Veda Vyasa. So this is the reason why. haribol!

Did any devotees here pass these examinations? They look so difficult.. Do you need devotion to pass these or mental brain power?