Pankaja_Dasa

http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/srila_sridhara_mj/sri_guru/sri_guru_10.html Devotee: Can you explain how the principle of disciplic succession works? I Was under the impression that in your teaching there must ke an unkroken chain of disciplic succession beginning with God Himself, in order for the knowledge to be properly understood. But when I read Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada's Bhagavad-gita As It Is, I found that the disciplic succession contains only thirty-eight names, although it says that the system is fifty centuries old. Is this a complete list, or are some names left out? How are we to understand these apparent historical discrepancies? Srila Sridhara Maharaja: Our guru parampara, disciplic succession, follows the ideal, not the body; it is a succession of instructing spiritual masters, not formal initiating spiritual masters. In a song about our guru parampara written by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati, it is mentioned, mahaprabhu sri caitanya radha krsna nahe anya rupanuga janera jivana : the highest truth of Krsna consciousness comes down through the channel of siksa gurus, instructing spiritual masters. Those who have the standard of realization in the proper line have been accepted in the list of our disciplic succession. It is not a diksa guru parampara, a succession of formal initiating gurus. Diksa, or initiation is more or less a formal thing; <font color="red">the substantial thing is siksa </font color> , or spiritual instruction. And if our siksa and diksa gurus or instructing and initiating spiritual masters are congruent, then we are most fortunate. There are different gradations of spiritual masters. In the scriptures, the symptoms of the guru and the symptoms of the disciple have been described: the guru must be qualified in so many ways, and the disciple must also be qualified. Then when they come in connection, the desired result will be produced. == man you really have to research with Pure devotees to find out the answer. Thank god for internet /images/graemlins/wink.gif

http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/nmj_articles/parampara/parampara1_1.html http://www.gosai.com/chaitanya/saranagati/html/nmj_articles/parampara/parampara1_2.html I read this it clears much of my doubts. Bhaktivinda Diksya from Bipini Goswami is accepted. Even though He was rejected for some reason. So I didn't really understand this point. That how can Guru reject YET Diksya still remains. But it must do, since it is accepted universally. Anyway my doubts are cleared.

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http://www.krsnaconsciousness.org/Gauranga/whos-whos-in-gaura-lila.htm 199 Jagannatha Dasa Babaji Rasika Manjari 200 Bhaktivinoda Thakura Kamala Manjari 201 Gaurakishore Dasa Babaji Guna Manjari 202 Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Nayana Mani Manjari

Is that why you Worship Krishna in SwamiNarayana temples? Come on where are you getting this from. I am sure your Gurudeva is not saying this. Don't make things up just to win an argument, Shikshpatri clearly states Krishna should be worshipped, if your truely following SwamiNarayana then you would be doing this. I am sure you are, maybe you need to re-consider what you said. /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

We' is Plural for respect. God is resepectin Himself. Normally Kings do it as well. Like in UK , queen say '[enlgish accent 'we will goto pay taxes' means her, not Prince Charles. anyway, this is going on for too long lol. Flash MX, nice, Koolmoves much easy.

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Hang about lol. You made me hang about. I asked somebody [was very polite muslim] he said it's the plural for respect. 'We' Like a queen might say 'We are going to play Polo'. It's outta respect.

But we' means 2 people, God is one, so what's this 'we'?

gaura-nitai, they are also 'sleep'. Maybe I install later. Always later never now for me.

I don't understand. OMG. Maybe somebody else should explain.

So who is this 'we'? I don't understand. Ps. Nice flash site u hav.

'We'? You didn't explain this.

Tum Maya mai hoi, tum Krishna kabi nahi hai sakta, tumara body hai material, Krishna body hai spiritual. Uska body aur soul mai kuch difference nahi hai. Tum maya mai hoi. Please tum Bhagavad-gita koi paro. Hindu mai be hai. Is link par hai: http://www.winsite.com/bin/Info?26000000038488 [A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada]

Cause thy are invisible. lol No but serisouly, you can't. Many things we can't see. What are eyes anyway? Gateway to the mind right? What is the mind? What is the intelligence? Devotees says we need to purify it. Then we can 'see'. hare krishna.. What is purification? Getting rid of Karma, Jnana. Then what happens? You realize who YOU are. Who am I? 'Jivera svarupa haya nityere krsna dasa' :: I am an eternal servant of krsna:: How do I get to this point? YOU ARE NOT THIS BODY, you have a soul. First point, your a soul. www.vedabase.net

I emailed. I prefer small version lol, easy to carry around. Only UK delivery. Small books, cooooooool!

Srila Maharaja had ordered Syamarani dasi and the art department to create paintings for the covers of his upcoming Hindi books, Camatkara-candrika and Prema Samput. Here, before the evening class, the artists showed him the cover of Camat-kar-candrika and he gave his instructions. http://www.purebhakti.com/gallery/spsannyass2005/art1

So this makes it ok. Yata mat tata pat, worship Kali, you'll goto Goloka. -Ramakrishna

By Letter many times when He couldn't be personally present. Bhaktivinoda took Diksya, then took Sikya. [Regardless of the aparent rejection by His own Gurudeva]. This is one instance where the disicple was greater than Guru!

And in this case it seems the fault was from the Gurus side, not from the disicple. So what fault in there in him, besides Jagannatha dasa Babaji could have given Diksya, what more worthy disicple than Bhaktivinoda?

Siksa Parampara we are in? Then why did Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati take initation from Gaura Kisora das? And if you say Bhaktivinoda Thakura was never initiated [Diksya], then you can make an argument that we cannot have true spiritual liniege. Then tell me something, who was it that FOUND The Yogapitha? I recall another forum that goes over this same argument. They say Prabhuada never gave or talked about Gopi-bhava, well excuse me..but you don't teach this to new disicples. Manjari-svarupa [bhaktivinoda]. Born devotee. Doesn't require initation. Was Sukadeva Goswami initaited?

Can Guru take away Diksya that He has already given?

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