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I am trying to figure out, how this karma-kanda section and impersonal aspect, what is the philosophy behind it? I am sure Muslims and many others are following this path [by deduction science-I am not even sure what that word means]. Can any devotees who are experienced in knowledge shed some light on it, with some sastric referrences. ? I know that usually the Bhagavad-gita is intrepretated by Karmis and they establish God as impersonal, so they can enjoy in heavenly planets. That said. I still cannot seem to figure out how they exactly they establish this? Plus I have a short duration of life so would be helpful if experienced devotees told me what they already know.

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God is always unchangeable and eternal. So this philosophy is athiestic. [Adi-shankara]. To reconsile this it is said that He was Shambu [Lord Shiva] In the guise of a Mayavadi or Impersonalistic Philosopher. He taught what is called 'covered Buddisum'. If you have read any Gaudiya Vedanta Books it is very easy to disern this fact.

According to many Highly elevated Vaishnava, Kalki Bhagavan may or may not appear, because the Sankirtana Movement of Gauranga will spread. Even if He does come He will join in the Movement. So I can only suggest to chant the Maha-mantra, which needs to be done under guidance of a Bona-fide representative of Krishna.

With your post. Even if it was for a moment.

No just wash your hands. Can I ask you a personal question? Have you been blind from birth? If so how do you percieve 'faith'. ? [you can call it research!]. Sorry if that question is not clear. I am just wanting to know for myself it's not an question which I am asking for any other reason. Be good if you could answer.

Bhagavad-gita ecard Prabhupada /images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Govindaram If the food should not be prepared in the kitchen, where else should I prepare it? I live in a small apartement, with a kitchen, a bedroom, a living room in which my altar is located, a toilet and a hallway. Which room do you suggest? __ The toilet! <smile> I know one lady devotee who sometimes needs to prepare food for her husband. Meat and so on, and she uses the same kitchen [not utensils] for cooking for Krishna. So I suppose you can do the same. There are rules but clearly you have to use your commen sence as well. ps. I hope you find your answers.

Siva-tattva. I think you need to e-mail them to get it. Or maybe a devotee will post it to you.

When I had my dog we prepared the food NOT IN THE KITCHEN ever. We are vegitarians. I am not sure about the karmic reactions you would recieve if you feed your Dog meat. I think they are meant to be carnivores. But in India many people do have Dogs and they feed them only vegitarian foodstuffs.

There is no exact prescribed way to make an excuse to such offense? Maybe visit a temple? and ask. Your dog should be okay I feel. I think also you can feed dogs anything. They will eat it. [mine did when I had one YEARS ago]. I fed is Indian Food [not curries]. Though I think sometimes we did feed it meat from cans. Woof woof.

Not sure what you can do. Offer your respects to them. And try not to bump into them again.

Q.14 What If I in a desorented state incidently -bump- into my altar? How do I make my excuse? __ I was rolling about laughing with this. I never bumped into my alter. I think if I did I would have a heart attack. Because I would need to clean it up.! Bhagavad-gita Audio is available at: www.gitamtra.org

I got an e-mail through the post [lol post.] It said to approach a spiritual master, and not read on your own. It is probably the most simplish instruction in exsistance. But the most difficult to understand I feel. [well is for me anyway]. For example I can read at home. On my own. And I get soooooooo many questions, I have google, and Vedabase. But still something missing? Association of Sadhus. If i went to association of devotees, and I saw a copy of Bhagavatam and a devotee. Would I ignore the devotee and start reading Bhagavatam? If the devotee was advanced. [sorry if that sound dumb]. Haribol. "Because the spiritual master is the representative of the Supreme Lord, his direction is directly the direction of the Supreme Lord. The spiritual master, saintly persons and scriptures direct in the same way. There is no contradiction in these three sources. All actions done under such direction are free from the reactions of pious and impious activities of this material world." (Bhagavad-gita 10.3, purport) Ps. Even though I am dumb I do try to ask questions. Mostly in private. I guess what I am saying is when Prabhupada is writing things here. It's even everybody, I mean to say. Erm even for initiated devotees. Anyway, I am only saying because we Book is okay. [even if your initiated]. But at the end of the day, have you ever tried to ask a book something? Plus the pure devotees Vani [speech] is animated [as Sridhara Maharaja says]. Anyway, I am not knowing about it. SO i shall stop.

didn't look like you visited the site I suggested.. You would have learnt a lot. Maybe in the next life...

Please read Prabhupada Books or Buy them www.vedabase.net www.krishna.com READ. And don't forget one thing, you need very advanced devotee association. Blessings, etc etc. I am tired now! And i wrote 2 pages. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif What would we do without these Books? /images/graemlins/confused.gif Gaura haribol. Nitai /images/graemlins/grin.gif

What is your a Muslim who is wanting heavenly [or whatever else] enjoyment? But thinks God is Impersonal. ? Then that is another problem. You will have to I feel go back to the Original teachings. That God is eternal. Everything in this universe is always dying. Which is 'meant' to be God. If you understand what I'm saying. So just like Prabhupada says this Universe is temporary, [but eternal] but also not false. This is the basics I think. The Universe IS eternal but temp, this tells you something special. Please try to think about this concept with the philosophies discussed above. Eternal yet temprary [look around it's a fact]. If you accept the Muslim way, [islam] you cannot deny it. You cannot say that God is Impersonal and at the same time say He is not? [Please refer to the Buddist concept for this] and some commen sence. Scientists often tell you that you cannot use commen sence in understanding, but without how did the question come 'wherefrom did we come?'. Gauranga Mahaprabhu often used commen sence to defeat the Buddists and Mayavdis. And I am also finding it a great tool to defeat my misconceptions. The Universe was exsisting even before Scientists came about! Unfortulaity trying to figure all this out [mayavada and impersonal etc] does make me feel a bit Athiestic, so I lean towards science. So it's like a merry go around. But when you have a choice between Athiesum and Vaishnavisum. Then I am sorry to say 'oh mind' but it is just too attractive and sublime. SP said: ____ Rüpänuga: An explosion, a big bang. Prabhupäda: Eh? Rüpänuga: A big bang. An explosion. Haàsadüta: There were some chemicals. Prabhupäda: So wherefrom the chunk came? That is not... That is their brain fag, that they are simply trying to get everything from matter. That is their material brain. But we see here that the origin is not matter. Origin is Viñëu, Mahä-Viñëu. So Mahä-Viñëu is the supreme soul, mahä, Mahä-Viñëu. So we cannot accept such nonsense theory, that chunk exploded. Where is the evidence that a chunk explodes automatically? How nonsense theory it is. We haven’t got experience. There is explosion of big, big mountains when there is dynamite, and the dynamite is given by some person. So how explosion can take place without the hand of somebody else, some living entity? This simple theory they cannot understand, that where is the evidence that matter acts automatically? Where is the evidence? How you can say that there was a chunk? Suppose there was a chunk. First of all, the question will be: “Who made this chunk?” And then again, next question will be: “How explosion took place unless there was some living being to explode, as we have got experience that sometimes we explode, explode the mountain with dynamite, and that is arranged by a living being?” So they have no common sense even, and they are passing as big, big philosopher, scientist. Then where is the evidence? Can anyone say? Is there any evidence that matter explodes without a living being’s touch? Is there any? No. Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 1.9 Mayapur, April 2, 1975 ___ Matter cannot come from matter. Get your head around that concept. Also Scientists claim that this Big Bang took place inside 'nothing' it had no space around it. So it took place in some vortex. Some unknown place. Where time and space didn't exsist [maybe that's a new concept]. So they are basically saying the Big Bang took place where no time exsisted. [eternality?]. I don't know how you can deny this. If it took place like that it means was there time before it took place? It's a load of hogwash. How long before it took place? When? [NB: SP says it is Sudra brain who understands in this way, they don't question anything,heh. [scientists being sudras]. Prabhupada says who created it?. Must have been somebody, so I been trying to figure it out. Also SP says where is the evidence ? This is what I am asking myself /images/graemlins/grin.gif. How can a Universe be created from a single atom? ANyway the simple thing is 'who created the big bang?'. I think for that I need to use commen sence. /images/graemlins/grin.gif Ps. The GREATEST and most conclusive thing is, <font color="red"> how do Scientists know the Big Bang was created? </font color> I think it is just a thoery. Hope I am not repeating myself [is this a blog!?]. Also if the Big Bang took place in Eternality space, then that makes this Universe eternal. [but is it?]. YES. But temporary. Things are dying everyday, so it is both eternal [since it came from something eternal] and temp. Now Scientists will not accept this, because they are no bloody commen sence. They say it came from eternity so what is the problem? How does something which comes from eternity have a temp life? This means the creator is still in exsistance. Hare Krishna. Please read Prabhupada Books to find all this out.

- Do we have the eyes to see? Morning Walk December 18, 1973, Los Angeles Prabhupada: What is the different between educated and not educated? Because he has heard from authorities. That’s all. This is education. Without going to school, he is not considered to be educated. Why? Because he did not hear from the authorities. Therefore he is uneducated. Let him learn everything. He has got the eyes. He has got the senses. Why he is sent to school? Why? Tell me, why? He has got the eyes. Why he is sent to school for education? Devotee: To hear from the authority. ____

www.purebhakti.com And type Siva or Shiva. I think you'll find things that you never knew about Shiva. He is VERY VERY complex.

The above still doesn't make you see God is Personal. But it does make you realize that you are something else. Now that we have rejected the Mayavada philosophy, with simple argument. Where do you go from here? Do you become a Buddist? Please read the above arguments for this. Now what? Shall I become an impersonalist and desire mukti? To become one with the Supreme? But we already defeated this. We cannot become one. So I tend to lean towards the fact [by deductive theory with the help of Guru [Prabhupada, My Guru blessings, Guru varga] that God maybe is personal. You cannot really deny it. Download Bhagavad-gita As It Is

This is the total basics of the Mayavda Doctrine as Propagated by Srimad Adi-Shankrachara. Now you can see. Logically speaking. According to Vedas God [be it Impersonal or Personal] is Eternal and Unchanging. This picture shows otherwise. In The Bhagavad-gita it says [most impersonalists and mayavadis always intrepretate the words of Gita]: Translation [Prabhupada]: For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain. __ Even though that Translation is by Prabhupada, the Original Sankrit wording cannot really be denied. For both parties. I read one Mayavadi intrpretation before, and it says the opposite [takes about Brahman*] as Being Eternal. So before they have started they have defeated thier own philosophy. IF [it is] Eternal then how can it be changeable? [i know what your thinking, oh maybe it took on some forms]. But it is unchangeable. So how can it take on form? You can go around and round in a cicle if you like. But the fact is, Brahman [whether you see it has impersonal or personal] is Unchanging and eternal according to Bhagavad-gita [mayavada Gita or Impersonal or Vaishnava]. So you cannot but reject Mayavada because it is telling some untruth. I'll come to impersonal conception later.. *Brahman is said to be Impersonal aspect or to Vaishnava the Brahmajyoti.

A wise Man said- 'The Big bang took place, but also did not take place'. 'Evolution is evolving, but also not'. 'Dinosaurs are old, but we are not' 'We landed on the moon but, also did not' __ I actually made those up but you get my point. /images/graemlins/wink.gif All Glories to Lord Buddha! CC:9.49 Purport extract www.vedabase.net About Buddisum: Their first principle is that the creation has always existed. But if this were the case, there could be no theory of annihilation. The Buddhists maintain that annihilation, or dissolution, is the highest truth. If the creation eternally exists, there is no question of dissolution or annihilation. This argument is not very strong because by practical experience we see that material things have a beginning, a middle and an end. The ultimate aim of the Buddhist philosophy is to dissolve the body. This is proposed because the body has a beginning. Similarly, the entire cosmic manifestation is also a gigantic body, but if we accept the fact that it will always exist, there can be no question of annihilation. Therefore the attempt to annihilate everything in order to attain zero is an absurdity. __ This is same as Mayavada Philosophy. Let's get to know this. It's not hard. It's practical.

Just chant this eternal song.. God is unchanging and eternal. And read Gita. Then everything becomes clear. Specifically study it. TRY to understand it. The full whole. If you take the advaitin or impersonl or Mayavada philosophy togther, and create a 'oneness' and add a pinch of Buddisum. You get a mixed up philosophy, because.. God is unchanging and eternal. This basic concept is negated in each of the above philosohies. One more thing... <font size="7">Jaya Prabhupada</font>

<font size="5">Srimad Bhagavatam.</font> <font color="red"> SB: 2.7.2 </font color> www.vedabase.net PURPORT A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada In order to guard against the invention of unauthorized incarnations of God by the fanciful, less intelligent persons, the name of the father of the bona fide incarnation is also mentioned in the authorized revealed scriptures. No one, therefore, can be accepted as an incarnation of the Lord if his father’s name, as well as the name of the village or place in which he appears, is not mentioned by the authorized scriptures. In the Bhagavata Purana the name of the Kalki incarnation, which is to take place in almost four hundred thousand years, is mentioned along with the name of His father and the name of the village in which He will appear. A sane man, therefore, does not accept any cheap edition of an incarnation without reference to the authorized scriptures. <font color="red">SB.1.3.25 </font color> www.vedabase.net TRANSLATION A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada Thereafter, at the conjunction of two yugas, the Lord of the creation will take His birth as the Kalki incarnation and become the son of Visnu Yuga. At this time the rulers of the earth will have degenerated into plunderers. PURPORT Here is another foretelling of the advent of Lord Kalki, the incarnation of Godhead. He is to appear at the conjunction of the two yugas, namely at the end of Kali-yuga and the beginning of Satya-yuga. The cycle of the four yugas, namely Satya, Treta, Dvapara and Kali, rotates like the calendar months. The present Kali-yuga lasts 432,000 years, out of which we have passed only 5,000 years after the Battle of Kurukñetra and the end of the regime of King Pariksit. So there are 427,000 years balance yet to be finished. Therefore at the end of this period, the incarnation of Kalki will take place, as foretold in the Srimad-Bhagavatam. The name of His father, Viñëu Yaçä, a learned brahmana, and the village Çambhala are also mentioned. As above mentioned, all these foretellings will prove to be factual in chronological order. That is the authority of Srimad-Bhägavatam. ___ This is only way to accept an incarnation, through Guru Sadhu and Sastra. Unless it is mentioned like this how will we know? Anybody could come and say He is an incarnation. But who will show you His Personal Vishnu Form? Nobody will..