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1|Meat-eating {Vegetariaism} = MERCY 2|Illicit-sex {Contienence} = CLEANLINESS 3|Intoxication {Sobriety} = AUSTERITY 4|Gambling {Honesty} = TRUTHFULNESS {I am doing this while waiting for my anti-virus to finish downloading how Ironic} /images/graemlins/grin.gif Siksastakam verse: One should chant the Holy Name of the Lord in a humble state of mind, thinking one-self lower than the straw in the street. One should be more tolerant than a tree devoid of all sense of false prestige, and should be ready to offer all respect to others. In such a state of mind one can chant the Holy Name of the Lord constantly. -- Any affiliation with this verse? Jaya Srila Prabhupada! & BR Sridhara Maharaja!

And yet, though You are beyond the purview of the material energy, You execute the four principles of liberation characterized by religion and so on for the ultimate good of the conditioned souls. PURPORT The Personality of Godhead Sri Krishna, out of His causeless mercy, descends on the manifested world without being influenced by the material modes of nature. He is eternally beyond the material manifestations. He descends out of His causeless mercy only to reclaim the fallen souls who are captivated by the illusory energy. They are attacked by the material energy, and they want to enjoy her under false pretexts, although in essence the living entity is unable to enjoy. One is eternally the servitor of the Lord, and when he forgets this position he thinks of enjoying the material world, but factually he is in illusion. The Lord descends to eradicate this false sense of enjoyment and thus reclaim conditioned souls back to Godhead. That is the all-merciful nature of the Lord for the fallen souls. __ http://srimadbhagavatam.com/1/7/24/en1

FOUR PRIME SLOKAS FROM SRIMAD BHAGAVATAM (Verses 33 to 36 of Ch.9 of Canto 2) The mere chanting of the following slokas will have their own abundant and blissful Trancendental sound vibrations to influence the mind and intelligence of the person who chants them for they have been taught by the LORD NARAYANA (KRISHNA) to the first living being in the creation, LORD BRAHMA in order to progress in our goal to understand and reach Krishna. Further, reading or chanting of the four stanzas tantamounts to reading all the 18,000 stanzas in Srimad Bhagavatam. Brahma inturn taught to Maharshi Narada who preached the same to his disciple Sri Krishna Dwaipayana Vyasa Deva and in this way they are handed our down the line. Sri Bhagavanuvacha : aham evasam evagre nanyad yat sad-asat param pascad aham yad etac ca yo 'vasisyeta so 'smy aham rte 'rtham yat pratiyeta na pratiyeta catmani tad vidyad atmano mayam yathabhaso yatha tamah yatha mahanti bhutani bhutesuccavacesv anu pravistany apravistani tatha tesu na tesv aham etavad eva jijnasyam tattva jijnasunatmanah anvaya-vyatirekabhyam yat syat sarvatra sarvada http://srimadbhagavatam.com/2/9/33/en

Have you not accepted formal initiation from anyone? Stop fooling yourself and everybody else. The point is some people will make any excuses to not surrender to Guruji. Thats how the Ritivk Doctrine came about. Sorry for being harsh. But there you go.

Complied by Prabhupada disicple.: www.geocities.com/theholynameofkrishna/TheNectarofChanting.pdf also in my signature jai sri nitai!

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FOLIO INFOBASE PLAYS The Story Of Sudama Brahmana from Krishna Book, Chapters 80-81 * * * * * CAST: Narrator, Sudama, Sudama's wife, Lord Krishna, Rukmini, 2 Servants. SCENE ONE In Sudama's thatched hut SCENE ONE In Sudama's thatched hut Narrator: Sudama was a very nice brahmana friend of Lord Krishna. As a perfect brahmana, he was elevated in transcendental knowledge. Because of his advanced knowledge, he was not at all attached to material enjoyment. His wife was not very anxious for her personal comfort, but felt concern for her husband. Thus she spoke as follows: Wife: My dear lord, I know that Sri Krishna is your personal friend. Even though you are thinking that you do not render any devotional service to Him, still you are surrendered, and Krishna is the protector of the surrendered soul. He is always ready to help His devotee. He is your only shelter. Please, go to Him. He will understand your impoverished condition. I'm sure He will not hesitate to award you some material benefit. Sudama: I don't want any material benefit from Krishna. Wife: He knows perfectly well how much you are fixed in devotional service… Sudama: But Krishna is only interested in pure devotional service. Besides, I am perfectly satisfied with what Krishna has provided for us. Are we not living peacefully? Do we not have shelter? Are we not eating… Wife: Not sufficiently, my lord. Sometimes you are even too weak to stand. Sudama: I am not this body. Wife: But He would want you to have the bare necessities of life… My dear lord, please go to Him. I beg you. I cannot bear to see you in this condition any longer! Sudama: Alright, alright-I'll go! Besides, if I do go, I shall be able to see Krishna face to face. Wife: Yes, it would be wonderful for you. Sudama: But I can't ask Him for anything. Rather, I'll bring Him a gift. What can we offer Him? Wife: We have nothing. Sudama: Well, then…? Wife: I'll find something. (exits and returns with small bundle) Here, this is all I could find. Sudama: This is all we have-some dry, chipped rice? Wife: I'm afraid so. Please be careful on your journey. Jai Sri Krishna! Sudama: Jai Sri Krishna! (exits) SCENE TWO In Dwaraka, residential palace of Krishna and Rukmini SCENE TWO In Dwaraka, residential palace of Krishna and Rukmini Krishna: Sudama, My dear friend! Sudama: Krishna, my Lord! Krishna: It's so nice to see you! Please sit here and relieve your fatigue. (Krishna proceeds to worship His brahmana friend by bringing fruits and drinks, washing his feet and offering incense and lamps. Srimati Rukmini fans Sudama) It is my great fortune that you have come to Dwaraka! Servant 1: I can't understand why Krishna is worshiping this poor brahmana. Servant 2: He's poorly dressed and is not very clean. Obviously this brahmana is not an ordinary person. He must have performed great pious activities; otherwise why would Lord Krishna take so much care for him? Servant 1: But he's sitting on Rukmini's bedstead! Servant 2: Yes, and Krishna, whose embraces are reserved only for Rukmini, has embraced this brahmana to His own chest! Krishna: My dear Sudama, remember those school days when you and I were living together at the Gurukula? Do you remember the time we lost our way when we went out to collect wood from the forest? Sudama: Yes. And while collecting the dried wood, we entered deeper and deeper into the forest until it became dark. Krishna: There was an unexpected dust storm, dark clouds, lightning in the sky, and the explosive sound of thunder. Then, there was a severe rainfall! Sudama: The whole ground was flooded, and we could not find our way back to our guru's ashram. We felt greatly pained, and in whichever direction we turned, we became bewildered. Krishna: In that distressed condition, we took each other's hand and tried to find our way out. We passed the whole night in that way. Sudama: Early the next morning, when our absence was noticed, our Gurudeva along with some of his disciples came to search us out and found us in this distressed condition. Krishna: Our Gurudeva, with great compassion said, "My dear boys, everyone likes to take care of his body as his first consideration, but you are so faithful that without caring for bodily comforts you have taken so much trouble for me. This is the way for a bonafide disciple to become free from his debt to the spiritual master. It is the duty of the disciple to dedicate his life to the service of his spiritual master." Sudama: And then he blessed us by saying, "May all your desires and ambitions be fulfilled. May your understanding of the Vedas always remain within your memory so you can always quote their instructions without difficulty. Therefore you will never be disappointed in this life or the next." Krishna: Sudama, we can both realize that without the blessings of the spiritual master, no one can be happy. Only by the mercy of the spiritual master can one achieve peace and prosperity and be able to fulfill the mission of human life. Sudama: My dear Krishna, You are the Supreme Lord and the Supreme Spiritual Master of everyone. All the different processes of life are ultimately meant for the understanding of Your Supreme Personality. And yet You played the role of a student and lived with us like an ordinary boy. But, I can understand that You adopted all of these pastimes for Your pleasure only; otherwise there is no need for Your playing the role of a human being. Krishna: Oh, what have you brought for Me? Has your wife sent some nice eatables for Me? Sudama, you must have brought some offering for Me! Certainly I am not in need of anything, but if My devotee gives Me something as an offering of love, even though it may be very insignificant, I accept it with great satisfaction. On the other hand, if a person is not a devotee, although he may offer Me the most valuable thing, I do not like to accept it. I only accept those things which are offered to Me in devotion and love. I not only accept them, but I take them with great pleasure. (Sudama is very hesitant to give Lord Krishna the humble gift, but Lord Krishna snatches it and opens it) Chipped rice! My favorite! I consider that this quantity of chipped rice will not only satisfy Me but will satisfy the whole creation. (Lord Krishna eats one palmfull of chipped rice. Rukmini stops Him from eating more) Rukmini: My dear Lord, You are so kind to Your devotee that even this one morsel of chipped rice pleases You greatly; and Your pleasure assures the devotee great opulence eternally. Krishna: Sudama, it is late. Let Me show you to your quarters. Tell Me, how was your journey… (both exit) Narrator: Sudama Brahmana passed the night in the palace of Lord Krishna. The next morning he started for his home, thinking continuously about his grand reception by Krishna. Thus he became merged in transcendental bliss. He was feeling very happy to have seen the Lord. SCENE THREE Sudama on his way back home SCENE THREE Sudama on his way back home Sudama: Seeing Krishna is so wonderful! It is like drinking nectar through the eyes! How great a lover He is of brahminical culture. He is the Supreme Brahman Himself, yet He embraced me to His own chest with heartfelt pleasure. He was so kind to me that He allowed me to sit on same bedstead where the Goddess of Fortune lies down. Krishna considered me His real brother. How can I appreciate my obligation to Him? Seeing me tired, Srimati Rukmini Devi began to fan me with her own hand. She never considered her exalted position. Krishna was so merciful that He did not give me a farthing, knowing very well that I am a poverty-stricken man who, if I did get some money, might become proud and mad after material opulence and thereby forget Him. Narrator: Thinking in this way, the learned brahmana, Sudama, gradually reached his own home. Upon reaching there, he saw that everything was wonderfully changed. An opulent palace stood where his rustic hut had once been. Sudama: What are all these changes? Does this place belong to me or someone else? If this is the same place I used to live, how has it changed so wonderfully? (Wife enters) My dear wife, how have these incredible changes come about? Wife: I do not know, my lord! Sudama: I have always been a poor man. I do not find any cause for this, other than the all-merciful glance of my friend, Lord Krishna. When Krishna receives a little thing in love and affection from His devotee, He considers it a great and valuable gift. I simply offered Him a morsel of chipped rice, and in exchange He has given me opulences greater then those of the king of heaven, Lord Indra. I pray that I never forget the devotional service to His lotus feet, the unborn Supreme Personality of Godhead, Lord Sri Krishna. Wife: Shall we enter, my lord? Sudama: Yes, it is Krishna's mercy upon us. Narrator: Sudama realized that although Lord Krishna is unconquerable, He nevertheless agrees to be conquered by His devotees. Sudama did not change in his devotional practices; he continued to study and preach the glories of Lord Krishna. By constant meditation on Lord Krishna, whatever darkness of material contamination that still remained within his heart was completely cleared away, and very shortly Sudama was transferred to the spiritual kingdom, which is the goal of all saintly persons. Shukadeva Goswami has stated that anyone who hears this history of Sudama Brahmana and Lord Krishna will know how affectionate Lord Krishna is to the devotees like Sudama; and the listener will gradually become as qualified as Sudama and will thus be transferred to the spiritual kingdom of Lord Krishna. The End

But do you know who BR Sridhara Maharaja is? /images/graemlins/smile.gif Hare Krishna

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This is not siddhanta of Gaudiya Vaishnavas's. Nama-Bhajana leads to Bhakti-Yoga. One of the 9 Anga of Devotional Service. You have no idea who can reach highest goal, Krishna Himself says that those who preach this message of Bhagavad-Gita are very dear to Him. Those who follow the siksa guru-parampara to Lord Krishna and back here {line} Know this secret. It's not fasion to make disciples it is dissipating real Siddhanta for the benifit of human kind. Which line you follow depends on your taste for Krishna.

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I can offer no explanation. Previous to my extract the talk is about Parampara and how some devotees are included {more prominent figures} and why some are not. It doesn't mean to say they are disregarded but this is the nature of disicplic succession. I.e to cite my own example the Hunter which Narada muni initiated. I cannot understand your feelings Maharaja says: The direct approach to Krsna is improper. One must approach him through the proper channel, through the devotees. That is the real approach. Therefore, Gaudiya Math eliminates Mirabhai and so many other apparently great devotees from the category of real devotees, because, although they are mad in praise of Krsna, they have little regard for the real devotees of Krsna. -- Mirabhai didn't goto a Guru etc. So people may think to follow her example. Thats the only reason for this. I hope you understand. Hare Krishna

Tada: When you don't let Krsna take you to His barber, then some evil envious fool makes you look like a chump. How can Krsna protect us when we don't let Him? Bad Hair day Thread {I think who knows I never read it. I still have no idea whats the heck it was about anyway click this link if you want.

from the book Sri Guru and His Grace by His Divine Grace Bhakti Raksak Srila Sridhar Dev-Goswami {extract} Once, Parvati-devi asked Lord Siva, "Of all kinds of worship, whose worship is best?" Then, Lord Siva told her plainly, "The worship and devotional service of Lord Narayana, Visnu, is the highest." Then Parvati became a little mortified and disappointed, thinking, "But I am serving Siva, so I hold a lower position." Then the next line came, tasmat parataram devi tadiyanam samarcanam "But higher than the worship of Narayana is worship of the devotees of Lord Narayana. That is even greater than devotion to the Lord Himself." Then, Parvati smiled, thinking, "Then I am serving the devotee of the Lord. Siva is a devotee: vaisnavanam yatha sambhuh. So, I am doing the best thing." This is also confirmed by Krsna, in the Adi Purana: ye me bhakta-janah partha ne me bhaktas ca te janah mad bhaktanam ca ye bhaktas te me bhaktatama matah "Those who worship Me directly are not real devotees; real devotees are those who are devoted to My devotees." And this principle is true in our own experience. It is said, "If you love me, love my dog." How intense one's love for his master must be if he can love the master's dog. And he loves the dog only because it is his master's dog; not that he wants to take away the dog for himself. He loves it not with the idea of independent love for the dog, but because it is the master's dog. This is a higher test of our love than simply to love the master. This will test whether we are really lovers. Krsna is more pleased if he sees that his servant is being served. Why? Because His servant always serves Him, but he won't take anything in return from Krsna. Krsna tries to give his devotees something, but they won't take it. They have no aspiration to fulfill, no petition to enter in the course of their service. They want only cent per cent service. There is no possibility for Krsna to award any remuneration there, He can't find the slightest hole in their devotional service through which some remuneration can be pushed. His devotees are wholesale servants, and nothing but. Krsna tries his best to give something to his devotees in return for their service, but He fails. So, when Krsna sees that His desired aim of rewarding his servants is being done by someone else, He becomes indebted to that person thinking, "What I wanted to do for my servant, he is doing. I wanted to do that, but failed: it was not accepted. But now someone else is doing the same thing I wanted to do." Krsna is more favorable to the devotee who serves his servant. Then Krsna comes to serve him. That is the underlying purpose of His saying "Those who are devotees of my devotee, they are the real devotees of my heart." So, bhakta puja, worship of the devotees, is the best kind of worship. This statement is confirmed in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, in the Vedas and by Vrndavana Das Thakura in the Caitanya Bhagavata, amara bhakta-puja, ama haite bala. Bhakta-puja, worship of the devotees, is advocated everywhere. At the same time, we should try to understand who is a devotee. That is also to be ascertained. What is the sign of a real devotee? Krsna says, "Those who say they are directly devoted to me are not devotees proper; those who are devotees of my devotees are my real devotees." We should try to follow the principle of this saying. This is not a perverted remark, but there is some genuine reality in it. If we look for its inner meaning, we will reach the conclusion our guru maharaja has announced. He said, "We are suddha sakta, worshipers of the pure potency, not the mundane potency." We worship the potency who is wholesale dedicated to the potent without retaining Her individual independence as a separate entity at all, who is cent per cent dependent on Krsna. Such a potency as this is very, very rarely to be conceived. The direct approach to Krsna is improper. One must approach him through the proper channel, through the devotees. That is the real approach. Therefore, Gaudiya Math eliminates Mirabhai and so many other apparently great devotees from the category of real devotees, because, although they are mad in praise of Krsna, they have little regard for the real devotees of Krsna.

Mantras are always given throughtout the different Ages, some are more potect than others, but the composition of the Maha-Mantra is unsurpassed. -Me An explanation on The Maha Mantra This transcendental vibration--by chanting of Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare--is the sublime method for reviving our Krsna consciousness. As living spiritual souls we are all originally Krsna conscious entities, but due to our asociation with matter since time immemorial, our consciousness is now poluted by material atmosphere. In this polluted concept of live, we are all trying to exploit the resources of material nature, but actually we are becoming more and more entangled in our complexities. This illusion is called maya, or hard struggle for existence over the stringent laws of material nature. This illusory struggle against the material nature can at once be stopped by revival of our Krsna consciousness. Krsna consciousness is not an artificial imposition on the mind. This consciousness is the original energy of the living entity. When we hear the transcendental vibration, this consciousness is revived. And the process is recommended by authorities for this age. By practical experience also, we can perceive that by chanting this maha-mantra, or the Great Chanting for Deliverance, one can at once feel transcendental ecstasy from the spiritual stratum. When one is factually on the plane of spiritual understanding, surpassing the stages of sense, mind and intelligence, one is situated on the transcendental plane. This chanting of Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare\/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare is directly enacted from the spiritual platform, surpassing all lower states of consciousness--namely sensual, mental and intellectual. There is no need of understanding the language of the mantra, nor is there any need of mental speculation nor any intellectual adjustment for chanting this maha-mantra. It springs automatically from the spiritual platform, and as such, anyone can take part in this transcendental sound vibration, without any previous qualification, and dance in ecstasy. We have seen it practically. Even a child can take part in the chanting, or even a dog can take part in it. The chanting should be hears, however, from the lips of a pure devotee of the Lord, so that immediate effect can be achieved. As far as possible, chanting from the lips of a nondevotee should be avoided, as much as milk touched by the lips of a serpent causes poisonous effect. The word Hara is a form of addressing the energy of the Lord. Both Krsna and Rama are forms of addressing directly the Lord, and they mena " the highest pleasure, eternal." Hara is the supreme pleasure potency of the Lord. This potency, when addressed are Hare, helps us in reaching the Supreme Lord. The material energy, called as maya, is also one of the multipotencies of the Lord, as much as we are also marginal potency of the Lord. The living entities are described as superior energy than matter. When the superior energy is in contact with inferior energy, it becomes an incompatible situation. But when the supreme marginal potency is in contact with the spiritual potency, Hara,it becomes the happy, normal condition of the living entity. The three words, namely Hara, Krsna and Rama, are transcendental seeds of the maha-mantra, and the chanting is a spiritual call for the Lord and His internal energy, Hara, for giving protection to the conditioned soul. The chanting is exactly like a genuine cry by the chold for the mother. Mother Hara helps in achieving the grace of the supreme father, Hari, or Krsna, and the Lord reveals Himself to such a sincere devotee. No other means, therefore, of spiritual realization is as effective in this age, as chanting the maha-mantra, Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare\/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

I don't want to be hit! I was just about to do something about Srimad Bhagavatam and well.. Anyway thats another story. Lets read about Krishna Activities in Bhagavatam..what Kana upto now I wonder?

Devotee: namah pankaja-nabhaya namah pankaja-maline namah pankaja-netraya namas te pankajanghraye "My respectful obeisances are unto You, O Lord, whose abdomen is marked with a depression like a lotus flower, who are always decorated with garlands of lotus flowers, whose glance is as cool as the lotus, and whose feet are engraved with lotuses." Prabhupada: Lord's feet, there are flags, lotus flowers, chariot. These are the symbolic representations. God is person, but His personality is distinct from our personality. So these specific marks are there on His lotus feet. And pankaja-nabhaya, another meaning, pankaja-nabhaya means originally a lotus stem came out from the navel of Garbhodakasayi Visnu, and Brahma was born in that lotus flower, the origin of creation. So Krsna's all parts of the body, as reference to the pankaja. Pankaja means lotus flower. Panka means mud, and ja means generate. Pankaja, the lotus flower, is so important. Still, it is generated from mud. <font color="purple">So Krsna likes pankaja very much </font color> , lotus flower. So if we see lotus flower, we can immediately remember Krsna. If... Just like if you love your child, if you see any garment, a small ship, shoes or any play things, immediately you remember your child: "Oh, this is my child's shoes. This is my child's playing things. This is my garment." So it is the custom of love. __ http://www.prabhupadavani.org/Bhagavatam/text/150.html {extract} /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif/images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif/images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif/images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif/images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif/images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif/images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif/images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif/images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif/images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif/images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif

My whole post was about using quotes for political purposes, it was not a gripe. Maybe see past the one-liners than the bigger picture. Jig-saw puzzle. Sorry my lack of humbleness.

I am finding having a simple attitute really helps one overcome differences. Analizing letters Prabhupada wrote from dusk till dawn won't get you anywhere. Just serve Guru & Gauranga sincerely. Read Prabhupada books. Don't be political. For me right now thats what I need to do. I am already seeing how you can become institutionlized. The difference between a devotees who knows about this and one who doesn't 'is very fine line'. Like an invisible line. Heh.

Not specifically teach about Gods acitivites, Vaishnava do this. Its just start. Krishna protects words of Guru in parampara. That is why diksa is not given.

Durga in this world is material form. Durga in spiritual world is Sri Radha. So we should as spiritual beings serve Sri Radha. She is all-merciful.

Chain of disciplic succession. Arjuna asked Krishna that how can he believe that Krishna {for our benefit} 2 million years ago intructed this science of God realization to The Sun God Vivasvan? {line from where Lord Ramachandra appears} etc/ Thats the Key. I don't feel like looking for Artifacts anymore lol. But would be nice to see. Theres a temple diety in India over 2 million years old. Maybe scientist can 'gold' carbon date it hehe!

Found so far? The Incas. And how old are they? Why is artifacts found and some places and not others?

Is that where the above comes into play?

If they found something they would call it Mythology. What they don't know about they give this name! Just see though if scientists did find it they would all be out of a Job. God does exsist you idiots!