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Where? 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Who? It was split several ways. SP explains how sharply dressed thieves morally convene: "Now let us divide this illegal loot honestly."

Monday Night 17Dec, WBAI Pacifica hosted MORC = Moorish Orthodox Radio Crusade which held a lengthy discussion about George Harrison, John Lennon, PrabhupAd, ISKCON. They were trying to decide whether ISKCON was a cult or sect. They were wondering why George Harrison had often acted as a frontman or promoter for ISKCON. They were comparing George Harrison to... (you ready for this?): Recently captured Taliban's American Johnny Walker. Why? In this sense: They both gave up their previous culture, embraced an Eastern Culture in which they never really quite fit. Both 'changed sides' so to speak. People who knew PrabhupAd called in. Phone lines were jammed. I could not get through. If you want to politely, eloquently express your KC point of view: MORC@hotmail.com

mAtulunga rasAbhAsaM, sauvIrAbhaM jalopamam | prapAkarahitAnAM ca, mUtraM candana sannibham ||33|| If there’s indigestation, urine looks like mAtulunga juice, sauvIra (vinegar), simple water or sandalwood paste. Lou Gehrig - Yankee Stadium 1941: “Today I consider myself the luckiest man in the world.”

VedAnta III 3rd adhyAya, 1st pada - Invocation: na vinA sAdhanair devA, jnAna vairAnya bhaktibhiH | dadAti svapadaM zrImAn, atas tAni budhaH zrayet || God does not manifest His Highest State unless there be proper sAdhana/practices, Consisting of wisdom, dispassion & love. Ergo, let the wise have those sAdhanas. = = = = = = = = Interjection: Alice Walker, author of The Color Purple, is now speaking from her home in Mendecino, CA broadcast on WBAI Pacifica Radio about her new book Warrior Marks. Its documented subject is so grossly violent, though thoroughly true, I cannot even type it. Instead I’ll just type its initials: FGM You may not agree with her views but she said some interesting things. = = = = = = = “My employer is/are the ancestors. Now I study gardening & dharma. My parents were Mississippi sharecroppers. We lived in a shack. We were very poor but we didn’t know it. My mother would can/jar/preserve fruit, so our home, though modest, appeared like a jeweled palace, because sunshine would pass through all these fruit-filled jam jars stacked against our walls. My mother had that ability to transform any place into a special place.” This description by Alice reminded me of ZrI KRSNa BhagavAn’s Dvarka-lila Palaces. Actually, fruit jars are worth more than jewels. De Beers is busy stockpiling diamonds. So many in fact, you’d be shocked. Actually diamonds are almost worthless. Their price is artificially inflated. KRSNa clearly points this out in Bhagavad-gItA. Extremely foolish women like Marilyn Monroe glorify diamonds with song & dance. And men who are even more foolish become trapped like rats in a maze of chasing diamonds to impress such distaff. Kaliyuga depends on such illusion. Stick with it. Don’t become intelligent. Remain a fool lifelong. It’s a dog’s life, at least for some. Never abandon your Kaliyuga idea & practice. Eyes Wide Shut. = = = = = = = = = = VedAnta-sUtra III adhyAya III.1.1 tadaNtara pratipattau raMhati saMpariSvaktaH prazna nirUpaNAbhyAm that (body); different; in obtaining, going to; raMhati = departs; enveloped by subtle elements; from question; from explanations To achieve another body, soul goes accompanied by permanent atoms, as appears from question & answers in Chandogya text. 292 III.1.2 tryAtmakatvAt tu bhUyastvAt Due to 3-fold consistency; but; due to preponderating That water which envelops Soul, being 3-fold, denotes all other elements by implication. And text specifies water, for it preponderates in human body. 293 III.1.3 prANa-gatez ca Of sense organs, due to going out, and Since Soul goes out with PrANas, all element mus accompany it. 294 III.1.4 agnyAdi gati zruter iti cen na bhAktatvAt Fire-demigod & others; about entering; due to scriptural statement; as/thus; if; not/no; due to metaphorical nature of, for referring to partial If may be said that scriptural texts mention various senses going into various planets, like fire, and ergo, senses do NOT accompany Soul, when it leaves body. To this we reply, senses going to elements is metaphorical only. 295 = = = = = =

KRSNarAj-ji: How is it you've chosen this number $40KK as your value? About 27 yrs ago one BTG was titled: What are You Worth? Back then our body's elements were worth approximately $9.50. Since then our body's have gone up in value to about $29. At this rate how long will it take us/you to reach $40 million? Don't hold your prANAyAma breath.

mAyA: mA = not, yA = this. CANakya PaNDit wrote: "Never trust a woman or a politician." Whatever that politician is saying, whatever he wants you to believe, know for sure it is mAyA. You may not know the precise relative truth, the detailed fact. Still you can safely conclude: what is being broadcast is false.

Holmes-Watson Tent gag wasn't too bad. It's already been floating around Internet for 2-3 yrs. Bronx Zoo Lila has a collection that can easily rival it. When's the next contest? Let us know!

Ayurveda VI CarpaTitaH = According to CarpaTi NilAc-charUxa hima-kRSNanibhaM (ca vAyau) pItAruNaM taila samaM SnigdhaM kaphAdvahalaM palva lavAr ity ulyam snigdhoSNa rakta vahalaM rudhira prakope ||32|| Due to vAyu aggravation, urine becomes blue, transparent, unctuous, cold, black.. Due to pitta aggravation, urine becomes reddish & oil-like. Due to kapha aggravation, urine becomes unctuous, thick, like palvala (tank) water. Due to rakta vitiation, urine becomes unctuous, hot, red, thick.

gHariji: According to our magnanimous FBI, 15 of 19 hijackers were Saudis. So why we're not bombing Saudi Arabia? ex-Presidents Bush & Carter stayed at Bin Laden Family's Saudi Arabian home last year. This Afghan War was planned years ago as was Pentagon & WTC attack. To condemn Bin Laden's as the Big Cheese/Main Demon/Scapegoat is like condemning Noriega as the biggest cocaine importer 11 yrs ago. He was taking orders from... His guiltier boss walked/walks free while Manuel sits in jail. CIA - Cocaine Importers of Amerika. Tonight on Politically Incorrect, Jeff Bridges, Ted Danson, Bill Maher, Michael Moore (filmmaker?) pointed out how Amerika must be weaned off imported oil by setting a timely focussed goal/plan, say 10 yrs, to solve our overseas petroleum dependency once & for all. Dropping bombs on Afghanistan can only bring future devastation. My maternal grandfather was a mason. Bush & his masonic friends think they have it all figured out. What a joke. What a shame. They forgot one thing. karmanA daiva-netreNa...

* * * * VedAnta-sUtra IV IV.4.20 darzayataz caivaM pratyaxAnumAne They both show, and, thus direct knowledge: zruti; inference: smRti Both Revelation & Tradition also whow it thus. 557 IV.4.21 bhoga mAtra sAmya lingAc ca Enjoyment, only, equality, from indication, only, Na = not should be inferred, read into aphorism by drawing form IV.4.18 558 IV.4.22 anAvRttiH zabdAd anAvRttiH zabdAt There’s no return (to saMsAra for mukta) due to scripture; Yea, there’s no return due to God’s Word. 559 - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

CapItulo Nove – O Conhecimento Mais Confidencial 1) A Suprema Personalidade de Deus disse: Meu querido Arjuna, porque nunca Me invejas, transmitirei a ti este ensinamento e compreensAo muito confidenciais, e passando a conhecE-los, ficarAs livre das misErias encontradas na existEncia material. 2) Esta conhecimento E o rei da educaCAo, o mais secreto de todos os segredos. E o conhecimento mais puro, e por conceder a percepCAo direta do eu, E a perfeiCAo da religiAo. Ele E eterno e E agradAvel practicA-lo. Shouldn’t practicA-lo be instead practicar-lo = o infinitivo? 3) Aqueles que nAo sAo fiEis neste serviCo devocional nAo podem Me alcanCar, O subjugador dos inimigos. Por isso, eles voltam a trilhar o caminho de nascimentos e mortes neste mundo material. 4) Sob Minha forma imanifesta, Eu penetro este Universo inteiro. Todos os seres estAo em Mim, mas Eu nAo estou neles. 5) E mesmo assim, os elementos criados nAo repousam em Mim. Observa Minha opulEncia mIstica! Embora Eu seja o mantenedor de todas as entidades vivas e embora esteja em toda a parte, nAo faCo parte desta manifestaCAo cOsmica, pois meu Eu E a prOpria fonte da criaCAo. ZrIla ZrIdhardev considered these last 2 zlokas to be the most revolutionary statements in all of history. 6) Compreende que, assim como o vento poderoso, que sopra em toda a parte, sempre permanece no cEu, todos os seres criados repousam em Mim. 7) O filho de Kunti, no final do milEnio todas as manifestaCOes materiais entram em Minha natureza, e no comeCo de outro milEnio, por Minha potEncia, Eu volto a criA-las. - - - - - - - - - - - - - VedAnta-sUtra IV IV.4.20 darzayataz caivaM pratyaxAnumAne They both show, and, thus direct knowledge: zruti; inference: smRti Both Revelation & Tradition also whow it thus. 557 IV.4.21 bhoga mAtra sAmya lingAc ca Enjoyment, only, equality, from indication, only, Na = not should be inferred, read into aphorism by drawing form IV.4.18 558 IV.4.22 anAvRttiH zabdAd anAvRttiH zabdAt There’s no return (to saMsAra for mukta) due to scripture; Yea, there’s no return due to God’s Word. 559 Fin - End

5-7 chapatis, rice, dahl, sabji.

Free to be anything I choose. Free to wait tables & shine shoes! I have my own washing machine. What do you have but to keep clean? Amerika supports freedom fighters. Amerika condemns terrorists. Tonight on Politically Incorrect, Jeff Bridges, Ted Danson, Bill Maher, Michael Moore proved Amerika generally does just the opposite. Generally. Without exception. Mantras free us from so much Kaliyuga hypocrisy, specially within our own country. Let Freedom Ring. Perform local HarinAm-sankIrtan. 1-2x/week is nice. Invite your Mayor, Congressmen. Dance with them. Teach them our 'Swami-Step' for Transcendental Freedom.

snigdhaM vasAmalachAyAM, vAte mUtraM prajAyate | tarIm upari badhnAti, taila bindu yutaM tathA | If person suffers from vAtik disease, then urine is unctuous & looks like vasA (muscle fat) waste product. Oil drop remains stagnant on urine surface. *mutre zleSmaNi jAyante, samaM palvala vAriNA ||32||” If there’s kapha aggravation, then urine appears like palvala (muddy tank) water.

Jay Leno hosted same Will Smith tonight. Jay must've mentioned, repeated 5-7 times, in different ways about abstaining, sometimes respectfully, others with snide remarks.

[APFN] DICK EASTMAN: OBL VIDEO TRANSLATORS CAUGHT IN DECEPTION -- LET ME POINT OUT WHERE. OSSAMA IS INNOCENT-- VICTIM OF A FRAME-UP AFTER ALL > "WHAT THE TRANSLATORS HAVE > DONE IS TAKEN A CONVERSATION OF BIN LADEN ON THE > SUBJECT OF WHAT HE WAS THINKING AND GUESSING AS > HE WATCHED THE NEWS ON SEPTEMBER 11 AS EVENTS WERE > UNFOLDING -- AND MAKING IT SEEM THAT HE WAS > DOING THIS THINKING AND GUESSING AT SOME EARLIER TIME > BEFORE THE EVENTS." > ========= > > All over the world people are shaking their heads in dismay that the U.S. Government would expect us to not see through this forced and twisted interpretation of this interview. > > Here is my analysis -- I am sure similar ones will soon be flooding every forum. > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< > > " The tape is transcribed below according to the proper sequence of events. > " > ======= > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: First note that the tape as found has been revised for translation. Before even the first word we see editing based on interpretation -- we see interpretive reporting rather than faithful translation of the subject matter as it was discovered. > ======== > "Due to the quality of the original tape, it is NOT a verbatim transcript of every word spoken during the meeting, but does convey the messages and information flow." > > ======= > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: Note that the translators have been selective and that they tell us that they did not understand/discriminate ever word spoken on the tape: > ====== > <><><><><><><><><><> > ALLEGED TRANSLATION TEXT: > > > Shaykh: (... inaudible...) You have given us weapons, you have given us hope and we thank Allah for you. We don't want to take much of your time, but this is the arrangement of the brothers. People now are supporting us more, even those ones who did not support us in the past, support us more now. I did not want to take that much of your time. We praise Allah, we praise Allah. We came from Kabul. We were very pleased to visit. May Allah bless you both at home and the camp. We asked the driver to take us, it was a night with a full moon, thanks be to Allah. Believe me it is not in the country side. The elderly... everybody praises what you did, the great action you did, which was first and foremost by the grace of Allah. This is the guidance of Allah and the blessed fruit of jihad. > =========== > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: I don't believe this. They soi-disant translators start in the middle of the tape instead of the begining of the recording and they begin with a passage in which someone is telling Osama bin Laden that "everyone praises what you did" -- no context -- leaving the average unguarded reader to presumtuously assume it is a reference events in New York CIty on September 11. > ============ > > UBL: Thanks to Allah. What is the stand of the Mosques there (in Saudi Arabia)? > > Shaykh: Honestly, they are very positive. Shaykh Al-Bahrani (phonetic) gave a good sermon in his class after the sunset prayers. It was videotaped and I was supposed to carry it with me, but unfortunately, I had to leave immediately. > UBL: The day of the events? > > Shaykh: At the exact time of the attack on America, precisely at the time. He (Bahrani) gave a very impressive sermon. Thanks be to Allah for his blessings. He (Bahrani) was the first one to write at war time. I visited him twice in Al-Qasim. > > ====== > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: > Notice OBL refers to the day of "the events" -- a passive expression -- not of "the victory" or "our victory" or even of "the deeds." This is consistent with remoteness from what happened. > > Notice also that Shaykh feels it necessary to specify "at the exact time of the attack on America" which he would not need to do if the context were understood or centrally concerned with the theme of the conversation. > ========== > > UBL: Thanks be to Allah. Shaykh: This is what I asked from Allah. He (Bahrani) told the youth: "You are asking for martyrdom and wonder where you should go (for martyrdom)?" Allah was inciting them to go. I asked Allah to grant me to witness the truth in front of the unjust ruler. We ask Allah to protect him and give him the martyrdom, after he issued the first fatwa. He was detained for interrogation, as you know. When he was called in and asked to sign, he told them, "don't waste my time, I have another fatwa. If you want me, I can sign both at the same time." > > UBL: Thanks be to Allah. > > Shaykh: His position is really very encouraging. When I paid him the first visit about a year and half ago, he asked me, "How is Shaykh Bin-Ladin?" He sends you his special regards. As far as Shaykh Sulayman 'Ulwan is concerned, he gave a beautiful fatwa, may Allah bless him. Miraculously, I heard it on the Quran radio station. It was strange because he (' Ulwan) sacrificed his position, which is equivalent to a director. It was transcribed word-by-word. The brothers listened to it in detail. I briefly heard it before the noon prayers. He (' Ulwan) said this was jihad and those people were not innocent people (World Trade Center and Pentagon victims). > He swore to Allah. This was transmitted to Shaykh Sulayman Al ((' Umar)) > Allah bless him. > =============== > > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: > First we see that there is indeed the assumption that Moslems were responsible for the September 911 crashbombings -- an assumption that OBL has already told us in to other video interviews that he first learned from American media sources. This conversation is consistent with that claim throughout. > > It is also clear that those in Saudi Arabia who are spoken of here naturally assumed that bin Laden was responsible for Sept 11 -- but so did Ariel Sharon and Laura Bush -- but that does not make them necessarily people who "know for sure" of complicity -- they merely assumed -- as did this man addressing students in Saudi Arabia. > > Also, here they are talking about bin Laden's general support in Saudi Arabia; they are talking about attitudes toward the concept of jihad and of martyrdom-- common subjects for revolutionaries -- obviously they are please to have people willing to follow and die in their cause -- but this is the same kind of talk we would expect anyway, with or without the events of September 11. And we already knew that OBL wants to overthrow the Saudi government and do violent things in support of his goals for Palestine -- but, again, nothing yet suggests they are merely assuming that it was someone with similar convictions who, without their knowledge, planned and executed the attack (as bin Laden claims in his other interviews). > =============== > > UBL: What about Shaykh Al-(( Rayan))? > > Shaykh: Honestly, I did not meet with him. My movements were truly limited. > > UBL: Allah bless you. You are welcome. > > Shaykh: (Describing the trip to the meeting) They smuggled us and then I thought that we would be in different caves inside the mountains so I was surprised at the guest house and that it is very clean and comfortable. > Thanks be to Allah, we also learned that this location is safe, by Allah's blessings. The place is clean and we are very comfortable. > > UBL: (... Inaudible...) when people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will like the strong horse. This is only one goal; those who want people to worship the lord of the people, without following that doctrine, will be following the doctrine of Muhammad, peace be upon him. > > (UBL quotes several short and incomplete Hadith verses, as follows): > > "I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah, and his prophet Muhammad." > > "Some people may ask: why do you want to fight us?" > > "There is an association between those who say: I believe in one god and Muhammad is his prophet, and those who don't (... inaudible...) > > "Those who do not follow the true fiqh. The fiqh of Muhammad, the real fiqh. > They are just accepting what is being said at face value." > > ===== > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: > Note the translators are interpreting here, and they omit translating the word "faith" using the Arabic "fiqh" which in appearance resembles the English word "fight" -- an obvious effort to alienate the reader -- these are not honest translators. > ====== > > UBL: Those youth who conducted the operations did not accept any fiqh in the popular terms, but they accepted the fiqh that the prophet Muhammad brought. > Those young men (... inaudible...) said in deeds, in New York and Washington, speeches that overshadowed all other speeches made everywhere else in the world. The speeches are understood by both Arabs and non-Arabs even by Chinese. It is above all the media said. Some of them said that in Holland, at one of the centers, the number of people who accepted Islam during the days that followed the operations were more than the people who accepted Islam in the last eleven years. I heard someone on Islamic radio who owns a school in America say: "We don't have time to keep up with the demands of those who are asking about Islamic books to learn about Islam." This event > > ========= > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: > > Here OBL refers to "the young men" -- again based on the identifications that were in the media as likely as not. He talks about the effect of the destruction of the towers on the minds of people with respect to their support of Islam and presumably of its oppostion to Israeli policy and globalization and cultural deterioration from westernization -- all of these are remarks we would expect if OBL were innocent of the plotting as much as if he were guilty. > ============== > > Shaykh: Hundreds of people used to doubt you and few only would follow you until this huge event happened. Now hundreds of people are coming out to join you. I remember a vision by Shaykh Salih Al-(( Shuaybi)). He said: "There will be a great hit and people will go out by hundreds to Afghanistan." I asked him (Salih): "To Afghanistan?" He replied, "Yes." > According to him, the only ones who stay behind will be the mentally impotent and the liars (hypocrites). I remembered his saying that hundreds of people will go out to Afghanistan. He had this vision a year ago. This event discriminated between the different types of followers. > ========= > EASTMAN ANALSIS: > Here is a man who knows nothing of the details, talking about how the events of September 11 will energize their cause -- yes, certainly they are aware that those so energized assume that the crashbombing was the work of their hidden ero -- but this assumption is not of OBLs doing -- it is just an assumption that almost everyone was then making around the world, Saudi, American, Afgan, Jew and Eskimo. > > NOW GET READY FOR THE BIG ONE: > =============== > > UBL: (... Inaudible...) we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower. We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (... Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for. > > Shaykh: Allah be praised. > > ==== > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: > > This is an amazing piece of deceit on the part of the translators. > > First their is a giant jump of context -- an entirely different topic and tone -- and only the word "inaudible" is given to bridge the gap. > > But we know from above that the conversation had been about the > effects of the television reports. WHAT THE TRANSLATORS HAVE > DONE IS TAKEN A CONVERSATION OF BIN LADEN ON THE > SUBJECT OF WHAT HE WAS THINKING AND GUESSING AS > HE WATCHED THE NEWS ON SEPTEMBER 11 AS EVENTS WERE > UNFOLDING -- AND MAKING IT SEEM THAT HE WAS > DOING THIS THINKING AND GUESSING AT SOME EARLIER TIME > BEFORE THE EVENTS. > > THIS IS THE WHOLE OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATIONS PROOF? > ======== > > UBL: We were at (... inaudible...) when the event took place. We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day. We had finished our work that day and had the radio on. It was 5:30 p. m. our time. I was sitting with Dr. Ahmad Abu-al-(( Khair)). > Immediately, we heard the news that a plane had hit the World Trade Center. We turned the radio station to the news from Washington. The news continued and no mention of the attack until the end. At the end of the newscast, they reported that a plane just hit the World Trade Center. > > ====== > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: > > Here again there is resort to the fudge word "inaudible" -- again we find OBL discussing "the event" -- possibly just as well translated "it," I suspect -- without context -- the context all hidden in that fudge-box "inaudible." > > Yet even this passage as mangled still reveals consistency with bin Laden's claim of innocense. This clearly indicates that bin Laden was NOT listening to the radio before he heard the news of the attack from regular sources. The whole government base is shot to pieces by this one statement. Bin Laden wanted news and he was frustrated that the news program was not telling him of the event -- he was not prepared to get information on the event. > > In short he had nothing to do with it. Q.E.D. and finis > ==================== > > Shaykh: Allah be praised. > > UBL: After a little while, they announced that another plane had hit the World Trade Center. The brothers who heard the news were overjoyed by it. > > Shaykh: I listened to the news and I was sitting. We didn't... we were not thinking about anything, and all of a sudden, Allah willing, we were talking about how come we didn't have anything, and all of a sudden the news came and everyone was overjoyed and everyone until the next day, in the morning, was talking about what was happening and we stayed until four o'clock, listening to the news every time a little bit different, everyone was very joyous and saying "Allah is great,Allah is great,We are thankful to Allah,Praise Allah." And I was happy for the happiness of my brothers. > ========= > EASTMAN ANALYSIS: > > Here OBL is merely commenting on the joy that the news on the radio elicited -- yes it is callous to show joy over the misery, but it is not crime -- it is nothing that resentful and fgrustrated people do when they hear of their enemies misfortune -- but that is a far cry from commiting the act -- at least in the eyes of the law and of justice. > ================= > > That day the congratulations were coming on the phone non-stop. The mother was receiving phone calls continuously. Thank Allah. Allah is great, praise be to Allah. > > ====== > EASTMAN'S ANALYSIS: One wonders about the real word translated "congratulations" -- it may merely mean shared joy -- but even if people were calling in congratulations, it is of course natural that they would assume that bin Laden was responsible -- certainly the thought of a frame-up would not occur to any of these people, not even bin Laden. > ============== > > (Quoting the verse from the Quran) > > Shaykh: "Fight them, Allah will torture them, with your hands, he will torture them. He will deceive them and he will give you victory. Allah will forgive the believers, he is knowledgeable about everything." Shaykh: No doubt it is a clear victory. Allah has bestowed on us... honor on us... and he will give us blessing and more victory during this holy month of Ramadan. And this is what everyone is hoping for. Thank Allah America came out of its caves. We hit her the first hit and the next one will hit her with the hands of the believers, the good believers, the strong believers. By Allah it is a great work. Allah prepares for you a great reward for this work. I'm sorry to speak in your presence, but it is just thoughts, just thoughts. By Allah, who there is no god but him. I live in happiness, happiness... I have not experienced, or felt, in a long time. I remember, the words of Al-Rabbani, he said they made a coalition against us in the winter with the infidels like the Turks, and others, and some other Arabs. And they surrounded us like the days... in the days of the prophet Muhammad. Exactly like what's happening right now. But he comforted his followers and said, "This is going to turn and hit them back." And it is a mercy for us. And a blessing to us. And it will bring people back. Look how wise he was. And Allah will give him blessing. And the day will come when the symbols of Islam will rise up and it will be similar to the early days of Al-Mujahedeen and Al-Ansar (similar to the early years of Islam). And victory to those who follow Allah. Finally said, if it is the same, like the old days, such as Abu Bakr and Othman and Ali and others. In these days, in our times, that it will be the greatest jihad in the history of Islam and the resistance of the wicked people. > > Shaykh: By Allah my Shaykh. We congratulate you for the great work. Thank > Allah. > > Tape ends here > ============== > EASTMAN's ANALYSIS: > > The joy of men who hate at the disaster of others. The feeling of vindication when those who offend your faith come to ruin -- but no evidence of cooperation in this tragedy. > > SUMMARY: > > THE GOVERNMENT HAS FAILED TO SHOW REASON FOR SUSPECTING > BIN LADEN -- BUT THEY HAVE EXPOSED THEMSELVES AS WILLING > TO ENGAGE IN DECEIT TO YIELD A DESIRED INTERPRETATION.

----------------------- Headers ------------- Return-Path: <pyari_h@> Received: from rly-xc04.mx.aol.com (rly-xc04.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.137]) by air-xc04.mail.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILINXC410-1120010640; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:06:40 -0500 Received: from web14506.mail. (web14506.mail. [216.136.224.69]) by rly-xc04.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXC44-1120010601; Tue, 20 Nov 2001 01:06:01 -0500 Message-ID: <20011120060600.68449.qmail@web14506.mail.> Received: from [24.51.200.146] by web14506.mail. via HTTP; Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:06:00 PST Mon, 19 Nov 2001 22:06:00 -0800 (PST) pyari hari <pyari_h@> Did US attack itself on 9/11? Dear devotee <sresthadd@aol.com> Cc: devotee <garytanis@hotmail.com>, devotee <jayram108 Did US attack itself on 9/11? Gary North's REALITY CHECK Number 82 October 12, 2001 PERPLEXING PUZZLE OF PUBLISHED PASSENGER LISTS Maybe you like puzzles. I hope so. I don't like them. I regard them as a challenge, not a game. I avoid them because, when I cannot find a solution, my mind won't stop working on them. Then I get very frustrated. So, I avoid magic shows, crossword puzzles, and similar brain-twisters. Yet I am also a historian with a Ph.D. Historians are trained to solve puzzles with insufficient pieces. Historians never have all of the evidence that they would like in order to come up with a coherent explanation of what happened. They always want another piece in the puzzle before they go into print. (Of course, once they go into print, they will tend to reject any newly discovered piece that messes up their version of the completed puzzle.) At some point, they are supposed to come to a conclusion. They are supposed to make a judgment about what happened. I am presently stuck. So, I am sending out this report. Maybe there is someone my list who can get me unstuck. Years ago, I saw a movie, "My Cousin Vinnie." Vinnie was studying to be a lawyer. He wasn't a good classroom student, but he had a unique ability. He could figure out how things fit together. Show him a magic trick, and he could tell you how the magician did it. Tell him a story with a missing link, and he could identify where the missing link was, and maybe what it was. He could solve puzzles. I am trying to locate Vinnie. This puzzle is no game. The United States has gone to war on the basis of one solution to this puzzle. We have not yet been told what this solution is. The puzzle begins with the crash of four airliners. We must work our way backward from this. To do this, I decided to begin with official information that was published 16 days after the attack. To work my way backwards, I first leaped forward. ALLEGED HIJACKERS On September 27, the Associated Press released a story about the hijackers. The version that I read, published in the ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION, referred to these men as alleged hijackers. I shall do the same. I located this article by using www.daypop.com. Daypop is the most complete archive of recent news stories on the Web. Daypop allows you to search for stories that are up to four weeks old. I searched for "passenger list" and "hijackers." Daypop produced three pages of links -- not that many. Almost all of these links were to the same AP story, which was published by numerous on-line news sources. Here is the version I used. http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/terrorism/nation/0927hijackerlist.html The headline reads: "FBI releases updated list of alleged hijackers." Above the headline is a link that says, "Click here to see 19 suspected hijackers." I clicked it. A large box popped up. It took a while for the photos to appear. There are 19 photos, along with names. The names appear to be Middle Eastern -- Arabs. Most of the men look like Arabs, although a few might pass as Mexicans. Only one of them looked vaguely like a European. They are divided into four lists, according to which flight they are said to have boarded. There were five men on American Airlines Flight 77, five on AA Flight 11, five on United Airlines Flight 175, and four on UA Flight 93 -- the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania. Let's return to the AP story itself. We read the following: As Attorney General John Ashcroft launched a "national neighborhood watch" with the release of the photos, FBI Director Robert Mueller acknowledged that questions remained about whether an accompanying list contained the true names of the 19. "What we are currently doing is determining whether, when these individuals came to the United States, these were their real names or they changed their names for use with false identification in the United States," Mueller said. The FBI director said there was evidence that one or more of the hijackers had had contacts with al-Qaida, the network associated with Osama bin Laden, exiled Saudi millionaire who is Bush administration's top suspect in the attacks. This story indicates that, as of September 27, the FBI was not certain whether these suspects had used their real names. The remainder of the story listed each of their names, along with possible aliases. The aliases all look like Arab names. I have discovered no additional information released to the general public regarding these suspects. I now backtrack to the morning of September 11. The issue that I am trying to deal with is airline security. To draw rational conclusions about how the alleged hijackers accomplished their acts of terrorism, we must begin with airline security. The United States has now gone to war because of a breakdown somewhere in airline security procedures. Yet nobody in government is blaming the specific airlines. They are blaming the procedures. This is why I want you mentally to go through the procedures with me. I have hit a brick wall. I am asking you to help me knock it down. I will show you how I went through the procedures mentally. See if you can figure out which step I missed. Step One is check-in. STEP ONE: CHECK-IN On September 11, airline check-in counters were the only places in the United States that required travellers to present a photo ID in order to travel. A photo ID meant (and still means) a card issued by some branch of civil government. Years ago, the United States government took the first step toward a national ID card when it mandated the requirement that all passengers present a photo ID card before being allowed to get on a commercial airplane. This means that the tightest security that the typical American ever confronts is airport security. This is the model for all other security systems governing the general public. Let's go through the check-in routine together. Pretend that it's September 11, and you are a check-in agent at either a United Airlines counter or an American Airlines counter. It is your job to ask the standard questions. "Did you pack your own luggage? Have you had it in your possession at all times?" Then you ask for a photo ID. The name on the ID must match the name on the ticket. The photo must match the person presenting the card. I began with American Airlines, Flight 11. This was the plane that crashed into the north tower of the World Trade Center. I began with the list of passengers. This was not difficult. The passenger lists for all four planes are posted on CNN's Website. Click on the link. This is a long link for the formatting of my newsletter. If it is broken on your screen, you will have to paste it into your Web browser's address box. This will take two steps. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA11.victims.html The CNN page says that there were 92 people on board. I suggest that you print out the list. Part of my exercise was to count the names of the passengers. Besides, you never know when a Web page will disappear. Do you have the print-out in front of you? Count the names. I get 86 names, including the crew. But the CNN page says 92 people were on board. None of the 86 names is an Arab name. This is very, very strange. First, how did the CNN list-compiler know that there were 92 people on board? Five of them are not listed. Second, how did anyone get on board who was not on the list of ticketed passengers? Did US attack itself on 9/11? -- Part 3 To get onto the flight legally, each passenger had to have a ticket with his or her name on it. Each passenger had to present a photo ID to the check-in agent. The check-in agent was supposed to look at the picture and the person, and then make a judgment. Was it the same person? If the mandated procedure was followed, the check-in agent decided that the ticket's name, the photo ID's name, the photo, and the ID-holder's face all matched. If there was any doubt, the check-in agent was supposed to ask for some other form of identification. If there was none, the person was not allowed to board the plane. We are told by the United States government that five Arabs somehow got through this initial screening procedure. How did they do this? This is puzzle number one regarding Flight 11. Puzzle number two has to do with the incomplete passenger list. Airlines keep a list of passengers on board. This is for insurance purposes, should there be a crash. It is also for the purpose of notifying relatives after a crash. It is also for the purpose of in-cabin screening. "Has everyone paid who is on the plane?" And, finally, is there a hijacker on board? On American Airlines Flight 11, there were no Arab names on the passenger list. So, how does the government know who the hijackers were? Why does CNN's Web page list 92 dead, when there are only 86 name listed? Who was the non-Arab? I have seen nothing about government accusations against American Airlines for substandard check-in security procedures. In fact, I have seen nothing about the discrepancy between the published names and the published numbers regarding how many people were on board. Let's go to American Airlines Flight 77. This plane crashed into the Pentagon. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/AA77.victims.html We are told that 64 people were on board. I count 56, including 6 crew members. There is no explanation offered for the absence of 8 names. There is no Arab name on this list. Something is definitely wrong here. What about United Airlines? Did the company's employees follow the same check-in procedure? Presumably, they did. I checked Flight 175, which crashed into the south tower. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/ua175.victims.html There were 56 people on board, according to CNN's summation. I printed out the list. I counted the names. Once again, they don't add up. The summation says there were 2 pilots, 7 flight attendants, and 56 passengers. I counted the names. The total is 56 -- the number attributed to the passengers. Nine names are missing. None of the listed names is Arab. This leaves United Flight 93, which crashed in Pennsylvania. It had 45 people on board, according to the summation. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/ua93.victims.html Again, there is a discrepancy. Only 33 names appear on the list. A dozen names are missing. Among the missing names are the four Arabs who allegedly hijacked the plane. So, the published names in no instance match the total listed for the number of people on board. CNN really should offer an explanation for this discrepancy. In no case does an Arab name appear on a list, let alone one of the alleged hijackers. How did CNN fail to count the names accurately? Did the airlines not provide the full list of each flight's names? Perhaps so. Did US attack itself on 9/11? -- Part 4 This raises the next question. How did the airlines know how many people were on each of these flights? The airlines must have had a list for each flight. What possible reason could they have had for not releasing the full lists? Finally, why are there no Arabs listed on any of these lists, let alone the specific Arabs identified by the Attorney General and the head of the FBI in an Associated Press story? I do not understand how 19 Arabs could have evaded the check-in procedures. I also do not understand why every passenger's name is not on the published lists. I have seen no other source of the passenger lists. (Another search word: "manifests.") It has now been over a month since the attack. Where is a complete list? I don't know. Where is a complete list of all four flights that has the alleged hijackers' names on it? I don't know. Finally, where is some enterprising reporter who is trying to get answers? I don't know. What about Step Two? STEP TWO: ON-BOARD SEATING There were multiple terrorists in the cabin of each plane when the plane left the ground. They did not get there through the ticket-screening system. Or did they? If they did, then how? I assume here -- again, maybe I am wrong -- that they got there through another entrance. Maybe they were part of the food service team. These were all cross-country flights. The planes were loaded with lots of fuel, which is why they were selected: flying bombs. On cross-country flights, passengers still are given meals, not just pretzels and soft drinks. The number of meals is supposed to match the number of people on board, or at least come close. Flight attendants have a list of passengers and their assigned seats. This is to enable them to identify passengers who have requested special meals, such as kosher meals. It is also to enable them to identify people who have not bought a ticket. Flight attendants are supposed to know who has been assigned to which seat. It is September 11. Here is the situation: there are an extra five men on three flights, and four extra men on Flight 93. You have already seen the photos of these men. If I had been a flight attendant, and I saw five extra men who looked like they did -- young, Arabic, and without tickets -- I would have asked them to explain why they were on board. I would not have assumed that they belonged there. Are we to assume that on four separate flights, none of the flight attendants noticed that something was wrong? Are we to believe that they failed to notice that five or four extra passengers were on board who were not on the passenger list? Furthermore, these men looked as though they were of one ethnic group. They all had Arabic accents, I presume. Why did the flight attendants ignore all this? There is no indication from the government that these men took over all four planes while the planes were still on the ground. Even if they had, the pilots would not have taken off if there were hijackers on board. They would have waited to hear the demands, and the demand to "take off now" would have been refused by at least one flight crew -- and I believe all four. We need a theory of the co-ordinated hijacking that rests on a plausible cause-and-effect sequence that does not assume the complete failure of both the check-in procedures and the on-board seating procedures on four separate flights on two separate airlines. If the explanation does rely on a theory of check-in procedural breakdown, where is the evidence? I have heard no such theory from the government. I have heard no such theory from the news media. In fact, I have heard neither the government nor the mainstream media even mention these perplexing problems. Perhaps you have. If so, I would like to see the Web link or a reference to the newspaper or other source where these matters have been discussed. Did US attack itself on 9/11? -- Part 5 I don't mean this or that discussion forum devoted to conspiracy theories. I mean the mainstream press. It is very peculiar that the mainstream media and the government have not offered a detailed theory of how the hijackers evaded both the check-in procedures and the pre-takeoff seating procedures. Perhaps some airline industry publication has dealt with this. If so, I would like to see the document. I would also like to see passenger lists that include every passenger's name. I want to see 19 Arab names on these complete lists. If these updated lists are ever released, I want to see that they match the original lists that were not released immediately. I want to know that any new names have not been added retroactively. I want evidence -- from travel agencies' records and credit card records -- that everyone on each plane's updated passenger list actually bought a ticket. Is this to much to ask? So far, apparently it is. CONSPIRACY THEORIES Conspiracy theories are a dime a dozen. Well, not all of them. We have gone to war based on one of them. But I don't see how anyone can make an accurate judgment about who was behind the attacks until he has a plausible explanation of how the hijackers got onto the planes and were not removed. I am not interested in any theory about who did it until I have a plausible explanation for how he did it. The key to discovering who planned this attack is inescapably tied to the procedures used by his agents to do it. I don't see how they did it, yet I know that three planes crashed into highly visible targets. A fourth plane had veered off course, and it seems plausible that it was part of a co-ordinated attack. This has yet to be proven, but it seems plausible. We keep hearing about plastic knives and box cutters. But we hear nothing about how these 19 men took plastic knives and box cutters onto four planes, and no one noticed that anything was amiss until the planes were in the air. So, you tell me. How did 19 Arabs get onto these planes and then remain inconspicuous until the planes were aloft? CONCLUSION I have no conclusion. I told you this at the beginning. I am stuck. I am looking for Vinnie. Maybe you're Vinnie. After you have drawn your own conclusion, and it seems reasonable, let me know. But before you do, please run your theory by someone whose judgment you trust. See if that person thinks your theory is plausible. See if he or she can pick holes in it. Don't make me your first guinea pig. I want to be at least second. Third would be even better. Did US attack itself on 9/11? -- Part 6 We need to get the division of intellectual labor working here. As the Bible says, "Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour. For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up" (Ecclesiastes 4:9-10). If you have no logical explanation, join the club. Maybe you know a potential Vinnie. Use your FORWARD button to send him or her a copy of this report. Ask for feedback. Notice to all would-be Vinnies: with each forwarding, e-mail software adds either a carrot -- this is a carrot: > -- or a vertical line. This pushes the text to the right. If you have received this after several forwardings, the text may be difficult to read. You can get a fresh copy by sending an e-mail to puzzle@kbot.com, or click this link and then click SEND: maiPuzzle@kbot.com Somewhere out there is a person who can solve this puzzle. There has to be a solution. I just don't know what it is. In future issues of this newsletter, I will report on any conclusions that look plausible to me. If you're not yet a r, and you want to read what some of these conclusions are, you can for free. Send an e-mail to this address: unstuck@kbot.com, or and then click the SEND button: unstuck@kbot.com You will receive a welcome letter from me within a few seconds. It will explain what my newsletter is all about. ----------------------- P.S. Send your proposed solution to solution@kbot.com You will receive a short autoresponder-generated letter telling you that I have received it. This way, you will know that your solution got through to me. [This message has been edited by Tarun (edited 02-06-2002).]

Copenhagen.

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Sonaji: so untrue? Then what would you add to HER side?

BOSTON - 12.12.01 | (Reuters) Osama bin Laden escaped the embattled Tora Bora base to Pakistan 10 days ago with the help of Ghilzi tribesmen, a senior Al Qaeda operative and Saudi financier told the Christian Science Monitor on Wednesday. "Osama bin Laden traveled out of Tora Bora two times in this Ramadan holy month," financier Abu Jaffar told the newspaper. "He left to meet Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar about three weeks ago and stayed with him near Kandahar," Jaffar said. "He left again just over a week ago and was headed to Pakistan, where he was helped across the border by Pashtun tribesmen." The newspaper's report of bin Laden's movements, posted on its Web site (http:/www.csmonitor.com), is the first that the Saudi-born militant has escaped the U.S. bombing raids on Tora Bora. Bin Laden is blamed by Washington for masterminding the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States that killed nearly 3,300 people. A U.S. official in Washington, however, said "every indication" was that bin Laden was still in Afghanistan and that U.S. officials had no indication he had left. Jaffar spoke through an Arabic-speaking reporter and interpreter in a remote village at the base of Tora Bora, the newspaper reported, and said bin Laden sent his 19-year-old son Salah Uddin back to Tora Bora to act on his behalf. Jaffar, who said he traveled with bin Laden in a truck out of Jalalabad, told the newspaper: "Osama is my good friend....After Osama left 10 days ago, he contacted us inside Tora Bora to tell us that he was sending his own son to be with us there. His son traveled through Paktia province with 30 Arabs and 50 Afghan fighters. "Yesterday, Salah Uddin told me to leave, and he gave me money because I will likely need another operation on my leg," the newspaper quoted Jaffar as saying. He said his foot was blown off by a stray cluster bomb. During the interview, the Saudi financier, who studied in Cairo's Al Azhar University, reached in his pocket and pulled out a wad of British notes to show that he had enough money for his travels, the newspaper reported. (In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving included information for research and educational purposes.)

Enron Officials Snub Congress By Marcy Gordon WASHINGTON - 12.11.01 | Enron Corp., whose stunning collapse is being investigated by federal regulators and Congress, is declining to send any officials to a hearing Wednesday by two House panels. "I don't think they want to, or are not prepared to answer some very pointed questions about what went wrong," Rep. Michael Oxley, R-Ohio, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said Tuesday in a telephone interview. The hearing is being conducted by two subcommittees of the panel. Joseph Berardino, chief executive of Big Five accounting firm Arthur Andersen LLP, which was Enron's longtime auditor, and Robert Herdman, chief accountant of the Securities and Exchange Commission, are appearing as requested by the lawmakers. Asked whether the committee planned to issue a subpoena to Enron officials to compel an appearance, Oxley said that would not happen immediately. However, he added, "We can certainly contemplate that at a later date." Additional hearings are planned on the subject. Wednesday's inquiry is designed to help Congress and the public "understand as best we can what structurally went wrong, what mistakes were made and what mistakes were not noticed," Oxley said. Subjects to be examined include accounting practices by the company and Andersen, and potential securities law violations, and Enron's handling of its employees' 401(k) retirement investment plans, he noted. At Enron's headquarters in Houston, spokeswoman Karen Denne said neither Chairman and Chief Executive Kenneth Lay, who was invited by the lawmakers, nor any other Enron representatives will testify Wednesday. "We don't believe that we would be able to adequately serve the interests of the committee while at the same time we're trying to serve the interests of our creditors' shareholders, and former and current employees," Denne told Dow Jones Newswires. The SEC is examining Enron's use of questionable partnerships that allowed the energy-trading company to keep half a billion dollars in debt off its books, and has issued subpoenas to Andersen related to its auditing of Enron's accounts. The company, which only months ago was the nation's seventh-biggest in revenue, has acknowledged that it overstated profits for four years. Enron filed for bankruptcy protection from creditors on Dec. 2, following a six-week downward spiral, and also filed a $10 billion lawsuit against smaller rival Dynegy Inc. for scrapping a proposed buyout. It was one of the largest corporate bankruptcies in history. The company laid off about 4,000 of the 7,500 employees at its headquarters the day after filing for bankruptcy with a promise that each would receive a $4,500 severance payment. At the same time, nearly 600 employees deemed critical to running its prized energy trading business received more than $100 million in bonuses last month. Enron also is under investigation by the Justice Department and by the Labor Department for its handling of its employees' retirement benefit plans. Before filing its bankruptcy petition, Enron prohibited its workers for several weeks from selling stock held in voluntary retirement plans while the share price plunged. (In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving included information for research and educational purposes.) © : t r u t h o u t 2001

Talasigaji: Honest change? "Very strange". You can't be from New York. Maybe Penny Lane...

Good idea. Vedik base. When his passion's quieted, he's freed of sin. All 4 varNas marry - gRhastha. 1) Zudras can only experience one azram - gRhastha. 2) Vaizyas 2 - brahmacari, gRhastha 3) Xatriyas 3 - brahmacari, gRhastha, vanaprastha 4) BrAhmaNas - all 4... Or if they opt, only 2: 1st => 4th ~ brahmacari bypass. It's now 2am in NYC. I'm watching PBS Channel 13. Well done documentary interviewing Israeli & Palestinian kids. Much hate on both sides till they met each other face to face. Then all hate subsided, friendship grew, parting brought tears. pov@pbs.org or search 'pov' with aol.

I don't know all the history. Balfour Declaration deals with creation of a Jewish State. Had Woodrow Wilson been healthier, he wood've done it earlier. Rajogun prides itself in justifying itself.