Sonic Yogi

Recommended reading for all those truly interested in this matter: Chapter 15 of Harinama Chintamani of Bhaktivinoda Thakura, entitled Bhajana Pranali.

The bottom line though Kulapavana is that in line of Srila Prabhupada - the Saraswata Gaudiyas, the siddha-pranali process is rejected because it is not required and in fact became mostly associated with the sahajiya sects in India.

What might have been practiced by some of the saints of bygone days does not mean in any way that it is at all something mandatory or even practical for the vast majority of Gaudiya Vaishnavas.

This siddha-pranali process became so much associated with fraud babas and sahajiyas that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarawati Thakur wanted to purge the practice from Gaudiya Vaishnavism.

If you choose to be a proponent and supporter of the siddha pranali concept that is your choice but in doing so you are directly challenging the innovation of the Saraswata Gaudiya sampradaya.

There again, that is your choice however a bad choice that would be.

 

“Some, while remembering the eighteen-syllable mantra, meditate on the pastimes of tending cows and playing flute, becoming attracted and absorbed in them. In such upäsana (worship), in order to attain my specifically desired perfection, I should meditate on that very form of a resident of Vraja my revered guru has instructed me in."

That means one should meditate on one of the parshadas of Radha and Krishna. We should all know now that one's rasa with Krishna is not appointed by the guru but is accepted by the disciple out of spontaneous attraction.

The guru does not mandate the rasa with Krishna or siddha-deha of the disciple.

Just as in the Nectar of Devotion of Srila Prabhupada, we find that one will have a natural attraction for a particular rasa with Krishna and then accept the parshada of one's choice as the role model to be emulated and followed.

So, meditation on the parshada and aspiring to be like that parshada is the actual process instructed by Srila Rupa Goswami and Srila Prabhupada.

Gopal Guru Goswami is not a "Rupanuga" or in the line of Srila Rupa Goswami. Whatever he might have instructed to a few select disciples cannot be then adopted by the Rupanugas as if it was the way given by Srila Rupa Goswami.

In the line of Srila Rupa Goswami the siddha-pranali process is not practiced or preached.

The whole siddha pranali system is based on something coming from Gopal Guru Goswami and is not actually followed by exclusive Rupanugas like Srila Prabhupada, Srila Sridhar Maharaja or Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Goswami.

The false propaganda that "siddha pranali" is the pure and original form of the Rupanuga Gaudiyas is blatantly false and a product of misconception.

The term "siddha-pranali" is not found in any of the writings of Srila Rupa Goswami or any of the principle Gaudiya Goswamis.

The term siddha-pranali was manufactured by sahajiyas and is a cheap imitation of something beyond anything sahajiyas are capable of.

That some Gaudiya acharyas accepted the practice was only for preaching purposes of gaining credibility within the sects of Gaudiyas that practice it, even though the great Gaudiya acaryas did not attain "siddha deha" through the imitation siddha-pranali process.

I have not heard of that. Would you please share a link?

here ya go....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3492919.stm

There is a Hare Krishna temple in New Delhi.

http://www.iskcondelhi.com/

Take your sister there and take shelter of the sadhus, ask for guidance and help.

Very soon the curse of the evil guru will be gone and life will be back on an auspicious path.

Do this.

Don't delay.

I'll go with stars being self-efficient suns in their own right.

 

The idea of only one sun in the vast universe should have died along with the flat earth theory.

But, as far as life on Earth goes, there is only ONE sun.

Recently, scientists have discovered a star that they believe is one massive diamond in the sky.

Mystic yogis can create their own planets if they so choose.

So, Vedic information does not deal with every last occurrence or creation of mystic yogis over the last few billion years.

The Vedas deal with a generic universal scheme and not with so many exacting details.

The Vedas are eternal.

The description of the universe is a generic universal schematic and does not deal with every last detail of all the variations of the millions of universes in the cosmos.

Bhagavad-gita As It Is 13.13

 

jneyam yat tat pravakshyami

 

yaj jnatvamritam asnute

 

anadi mat-param brahma

 

na sat tan nasad ucyate

 

SYNONYMS

 

jneyam -- the knowable; yat -- which; tat -- that; pravakshyami -- I shall now explain; yat -- which; jnatva -- knowing; amritam -- nectar; asnute -- one tastes; anadi -- beginningless; mat-param -- subordinate to Me; brahma -- spirit; na -- neither; sat -- cause; tat -- that; na -- nor; asat -- effect; ucyate -- is said to be.

 

TRANSLATION

 

I shall now explain the knowable, knowing which you will taste the eternal. Brahman, the spirit, beginningless and subordinate to Me, lies beyond the cause and effect of this material world.

 

PURPORT

 

The Lord has explained the field of activities and the knower of the field. He has also explained the process of knowing the knower of the field of activities. Now He begins to explain the knowable, first the soul and then the Supersoul. By knowledge of the knower, both the soul and the Supersoul, one can relish the nectar of life. As explained in the Second Chapter, the living entity is eternal. This is also confirmed here. There is no specific date at which the jiva was born. Nor can anyone trace out the history of the jivatma's manifestation from the Supreme Lord. Therefore it is beginningless. The Vedic literature confirms this: na jayate mriyate va vipascit (Katha Upanishad 1.2.18). The knower of the body is never born and never dies, and he is full of knowledge.

 

The Supreme Lord as the Supersoul is also stated in the Vedic literature (Svetasvatara Upanishad 6.16) to be pradhana-kshetrajna-patir gunesah, the chief knower of the body and the master of the three modes of material nature. In the smriti it is said, dasa-bhuto harer eva nanyasvaiva kadacana. The living entities are eternally in the service of the Supreme Lord. This is also confirmed by Lord Caitanya in His teachings. Therefore the description of Brahman mentioned in this verse is in relation to the individual soul, and when the word Brahman is applied to the living entity, it is to be understood that he is vijnana-brahma as opposed to ananda-brahma. Ananda-brahma is the Supreme Brahman Personality of Godhead.

I have found a nice Youtube video by Professor Deep that explains this Quantum Domain concept quite nicely.

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Is there a thing called space?

Yes, it is located between your ears.

If this is true then how did Lord Krishna enter into this universe? Plz post with some logic. With Best Regards, God Bless ALL!! Om Namah Shivaya!

the logic is that anything is possible for God.

God can have the universe in his mouth and at the same time be playing on Earth and millions of other planets at the same time.

these are the inconceivable characteristics of God.

Being God means that anything is possible, that is why we call him God.

God is beyond our capacity to understand fully all of his powers and qualities.

We just have to accept the concept of inconceivable greatness and power when it comes to the subject of God.

There is no logic.

God is beyond the capacity of human logic.

We can't stretch our minds far enough to understand the inconceivable capacities of God.

Can someone explain where is the universe located? With Best Regards Om Namah Shivaya!

In the unlimited Paravyoma (spiritual sky) there is a cloud called the Karana-samudra (causal ocean).

The universe exists within that Causal ocean along with countless numbers of other universes.

they try to reach to a space in ur mind, where everythings comes to a stop, time, feelings, needs, desire alsmost everything and man comes to a unconscious state and physics term this as "Quantum Domain",

That sounds like a description of the state of consciousness that the soul exists in during the interim period between universal manifestations.

According to Vedic instruction, the entire cosmos of millions of universes and galaxies are all dissolved after the lifetime of Brahma or the breathing period of Lord Vishnu.

When the material universes are dissolved all the living souls exist in the Viraja realm or the Causal plane of consciousness where there is no activity of the mind or senses.

However, this is not a space within the human mind.

It is a space beyond material energy where the mind, ego and intelligence of the soul are all in a state of suspension.

The Buddhist concept of Nirvana is very akin to this state of existence.

In Vedic terms it is the Viraja River of also called the Karana-samudra (Causal Ocean).

Lord Maha-Vishnu lies down in this Karana-samudra when he creates the millions of universes out of his breathing.

It is a realm between the material energy (material universes) and the spiritual realm of spiritual planets.

It is not possible for the soul to remain in that state of suspended animation indefintely.

Because the soul has inherintly consciousness, it cannot remain in this position no more than a person can remain sleeping perpetually.

Just as we wake up in the morning after the brain, mind and body are rested, the soul wakes up from this sleeping condition of Causal existence.

However, it is not possible for an embodied soul possessing mind, ego, intelligence and senses to attain a genuine state of this "Quantum domain" as the mind, ego and senses are by nature impetuous.

The only real option is to fully spiritualize the senses through Bhakti-yoga and enter into the Paravyoma for eternal life.

The state of "Quantum domain" as a feasible state for the human mind is impossible.

The only way to attain this "Quantum domain" is to dissolve completely the human mind into the causal plane.

That cannot be done as long as any material desires exist within the human mind.

So, it cannot be acheived by science.

It is a spiritual attainment beyond the capabilities of science.

Purging the mind of any and all material desires can only be done through devotion to God.

It cannot be done mechanically in a scientific experiment.

get yourself some gongs and bells and ring them loudly when you feel the ghost and the vibrations will drive the ghost out of the ether with the pure vibrations.

Ghost live in the ether and bells and gongs will purify the ether.

Ghosts love silence especially.

Loud bells and gongs will push them out of the range of the sounds.

Why this atheist is being allowed to post this atheistic topic in "spiritual discussions" is quite odd?

Seems like the moderators will let atheists run wild here, but otherwise are very quick to delete many other posts that are less offensive.

Maybe the forum can create a section for atheist topics and move these offensive topics over there and let the atheists play their games there?

Thanks for clearing my doubt sonic yogi i love you.

thank u very much sir.

 

You are certainly welcome and thank-you for the kind, affectionate words.

I don't agree with this picture.

In the Bhagavad-gita Krishna says:

<center>Chapter 7. Knowledge of the Absolute</center>

 

TEXT 4

 

 

bhumir apo 'nalo vayuh

kham mano buddhir eva ca

ahankara itiyam me

bhinna prakrtir astadha

 

 

SYNONYMS

 

bhumih--earth; apah--water; analah--fire; vayuh--air; kham--ether; manah--mind; buddhih--intelligence; eva--certainly; ca--and; ahankarah--false ego; iti--thus; iyam--all these; me--My; bhinna--separated; prakrtih--energies; astadha--total eight

.

 

TRANSLATION

 

Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego--all together these eight comprise My separated material energies.

So, the 7th layer is intelligence and the 8th layer is false ego not Pradhana.

Pradhana is material nature in it's subtle unmanifested form as it exists in between creations of the material cosmos.

Pradhana is not a covering of the universe but the subtle form of prakriti in it's unmanifested state.

Even if ego is the subtle form of prakriti, it is not right to say that pradhana is a covering of the universe.

I haven't found pradhana given as a covering of the universe in the Bhagavad-gita or Srimad Bhagavatam.

>> Siva and all the forms of Godhead are different forms of Krishna.

 

Is Lord Siva as demigod ?

Siva is Siva-tattva which is between jiva-tattva and Vishnu-tattva.

He acts as a demigod as the guna-avatar of tama-guna.

Srila Prabhupada classifies Siva as a demigod in his books.

Because he is not fully on the level of Vishnu-tattva, he is sometimes classified as a demigod.

B.S. ch.5 text 45 purport by Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur -

The nondistinction is established by the fact that just as milk treated with acid turns into curd so Godhead becomes a subservient when He Himself attains a distinct personality by the addition of a particular element of adulteration. This personality has no independent initiative. The said adulterating principle is constituted of a combination of the stupefying quality of the deluding energy, the quality of nonplenitude of the marginal potency and a slight degree of the ecstatic-cum-cognitive principle of the plenary spiritual potency. This specifically adulterated reflection of the principle of the subjective portion of the Divinity is Sadāśiva, in the form of the effulgent masculine-symbol-god Śambhu from whom Rudradeva is manifested. In the work of mundane creation as the material cause, in the work of preservation by the destruction of sundry asuras and in the work of destruction to conduct the whole operation, Govinda manifests Himself as guṇa-avatāra in the form of Śambhu who is the separated portion of Govinda imbued with the principle of His subjective plenary portion. The personality of the destructive principle in the form of time has been identified with that of Śambhu by scriptural evidences that have been adduced in the commentary. The purport of the Bhāgavata ślokas, viz., vaiṣṇavānāḿ yathā śambhuḥ, etc., is that Śambhu, in pursuance of the will of Govinda, works in union with his consort Durgādevī by his own time energy. He teaches pious duties (dharma) as stepping-stones to the attainment of spiritual service in the various tantra-śāstras, etc., suitable for jīvas in different grades of the conditional existence. In obedience to the will of Govinda, Śambhu maintains and fosters the religion of pure devotion by preaching the cult of illusionism (Māyāvāda) and the speculative āgama-śāstras. The fifty attributes of individual souls are manifest in a far vaster measure in Śambhu and five additional attributes not attainable by jīvas are also partly found in him. So Śambhu cannot be called a jīva. He is the lord of jīva but yet partakes of the nature of a separated portion of Govinda.

So, as the jiva is a separated part and parcel of Krishna, Siva is also a separated portion of Krishna, yet Siva has attributes that jivas cannot possess making Siva-tattva the Lord of jivas yet a servant of Krishna.

I get confused.

In brahm samhit Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur says that not to consider shiva a second godhead.

Is lord sada shiva the same form of shivling.

He said:

(The real nature of Śambhu, the presiding deity of Maheśa-dhāma, is described.) Śambhu is not a second Godhead other than Kṛṣṇa. Those, who entertain such discriminating sentiment, commit a great offense against the Supreme Lord. The supremacy of Śambhu is subservient to that of Govinda; hence they are not really different from each other.

What this means is that Lord Siva is non-different from Krishna.

He is saying that Lord Siva is not independent of Krishna as a different God.

Siva is Krishna in a state of transformation.

This means that there is not polytheism or many Gods or even two Gods.

There is ONE God - Lord Krishna who himself transforms himself into another feature of himself as Lord Siva.

Narayana, Siva and all the forms of Godhead are different forms of Krishna.

Brahma,Surya, Candra, Varuna and all the administrative gods of the universe are devotees of Krishna, his parts and parcel living entities.

Krishna has two forms as Vishnu-tattva and Siva-tattva, but Vishnu-tattva has some more features that Siva-tattva does not have and Krishna has some more features that Vishnu does not have.

As Siva-tattva, Krishna does not manifest all of his personal features.

THE KALASA NAME ON THE ABOVE POSTER is situated where the Virajaa energy is located.

 

It is stated that the material energy and the spiritual energy are separated by water known as the Virajaa River.

The Viraja River and the Causal Ocean are the same thing.

Above the Viraja is Mahesha Dhama of Sadasiva.

Ordinary devotees of Lord Siva in this world do not make it to Mahesha Dhama.

Only the fully perfected mystic yogis attain to Mahesha Dhama of Sadasiva.

Ordinary temple worshipers of Lord Siva cannot attain Mahesha Dhama.

They might attain to his planet Kailasa that is manifested within this universe, but that is not the same as the spiritual Mahesha Dhama of Sadasiva.

Hey Bhaktjan Is Kailash Over Brahm Jyoti.

It is, but it is known more commonly as Mahesha Dhama or the abode of Lord Sadasiva.

It is the final destination of the jnana yogis who are devotees of Lord Siva.

It is eternal like Vaikuntha as Lord Siva is not a different Godhead from Krishna but simply a transformation of Krishna into another form of Godhead.

Vaishnavas don't make much out of that aspect of Godhead because they consider Mahesha Dhama as much inferior to Goloka Dhama of Krishna.

The next level up in spiritual elevation takes one from Mahesha Dhama to Vaikuntha of Lord Narayana.

Undoubtedly, many devotees of Lord Siva are quite content to stay there eternally in devotion to Mahadeva.

So much food, water, ghee, milk, sweets are wasted on the idols which have no life,

You talk as if the idols eat the food and there is nothing left over.

In temples after the food is offered to the idols it is then distributed to pilgrims or otherwise distributed to the needy who come to the temple.

The biggest food programs for the needy in India are being conducted by temples and religious organizations.

These temples do more to feed the needy than any factory.

India doesn't need more factories.

India needs to return to it's agrarian village culture.

Building factories to enslave the working class people and pollute the land is not an improvement for the people of India.

Religious organizations and temples around the world do more to feed the needy than these companies that build factories to turn life into a hell for the working class people.

Nehru was an idiot.

When you say "I", how can get away from AHAM. It is only possible when you cannot see yourself for ever IMO.

Maybe you are unaware of this, but millions and millions of people do not believe in the soul or eternal life.

Maybe in India most everyone believes in karma, samsara, jivatma etc. etc., but in many parts of the world people do not believe in the soul.

They only believe that they are the material body and mind and that at death they cease to exist.

They don't believe in God, but they think they are the doers.

So, this is called AHANKARA.

Do you know about AHANKARA?

Maybe you should find out about this false concept of AHAM as AHANKARA.

Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 3.27

 

prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni

 

guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ

 

ahańkāra-vimūḍhātmā

 

kartāham iti manyate

 

SYNONYMS

 

prakṛteḥ — of material nature; kriyamāṇāni — being done; guṇaiḥ — by the modes; karmāṇi — activities; sarvaśaḥ — all kinds of; ahańkāra-vimūḍha — bewildered by false ego; ātmā — the spirit soul; kartā — doer; aham — I; iti — thus; manyate — he thinks.

 

TRANSLATION

 

The spirit soul bewildered by the influence of false ego thinks himself the doer of activities that are in actuality carried out by the three modes of material nature.

 

PURPORT

 

Two persons, one in Kṛṣṇa consciousness and the other in material consciousness, working on the same level, may appear to be working on the same platform, but there is a wide gulf of difference in their respective positions. The person in material consciousness is convinced by false ego that he is the doer of everything. He does not know that the mechanism of the body is produced by material nature, which works under the supervision of the Supreme Lord. The materialistic person has no knowledge that ultimately he is under the control of Kṛṣṇa. The person in false ego takes all credit for doing everything independently, and that is the symptom of his nescience. He does not know that this gross and subtle body is the creation of material nature, under the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and as such his bodily and mental activities should be engaged in the service of Kṛṣṇa, in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The ignorant man forgets that the Supreme Personality of Godhead is known as Hṛṣīkeśa, or the master of the senses of the material body, for due to his long misuse of the senses in sense gratification, he is factually bewildered by the false ego, which makes him forget his eternal relationship with Kṛṣṇa.

Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 7.4

 

bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ

 

khaḿ mano buddhir eva ca

 

ahańkāra itīyaḿ me

 

bhinnā prakṛtir aṣṭadhā

 

SYNONYMS

 

bhūmiḥ — earth; āpaḥ — water; analaḥ — fire; vāyuḥ — air; kham — ether; manaḥ — mind; buddhiḥ — intelligence; eva — certainly; ca — and; ahańkāraḥ — false ego; iti — thus; iyam — all these; me — My; bhinnā — separated; prakṛtiḥ — energies; aṣṭadhā — eightfold.

 

TRANSLATION

 

Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego — all together these eight constitute My separated material energies.

I think somebody explained before.

 

What is unreal is ego. What is false is ego. There is no ego in real or truth or absolute but it manifests in maya. The ego ceases when liberated from maya, the material world or visible universe. One cannot destroy ego but can hide by controlling senses. Though ego disappears in sound sleep but only temporarily.

Let me explain it again.

Ego is a Latin word for "self".

We should not confuse that with "false ego".

False ego is an illusion that that the self of the living being is the body or mind.

If there were no such thing as real ego, then we would not have the term false-ego which infers that there must on the other hand be a real ego.

When the living entity is in illusion he has a false-ego or a false conception of the self.

When the living entity is self-realized then he does not have false ego but rather the real ego of being a spirit soul.

To know oneself as a spirit soul is real ego.

To think of oneself as being the body or mind is false-ego.

If there were no such thing as real ego we would not have the term "false ego".

If there were no such thing as real ago, then we would not have the term false-ego but simply the term ego.

Ego is the sense of individual existence.

It is the Latin word for the soul or the self.

The term ego is not a derogatory term in it's original form.

It only becomes derogatory when it is said as "false ego".

Ego has wrongly become a derogatory term in modern vernacular, but strictly speaking in the original Latin it simply means "self".

If we were wearing a surgical mask, the air we breath which passes through is the soul and the dust that gets stuck in the fabric is the false ego.

No.

Stop fabricating sayings.

Repeat what the guru says, otherwise it is all just mental hogwash.