rand0M aXiS

Thanks for spoiling Clint's movie for me :^(

I suspect it was a set up leading to a whole prearranged pitch. Yep. The guest forgot there is something called Google!

Souns like something you copied and pasted from GALVA.

Reminds me of when a disciple of SP told him, ".... das says that you said ......" and SP interupted him and said, "Unless you see it in writing, do not think that I said". Whereas the disciple replied: "Can I have that in writing?" And SP laughed and said: "VERY GOOD!"

I havn't heard anything about this upcoming Gaura Purnima, but I remember back in 1987 Janmastami coincided with the "Harmonic Convergence" that the new-agers were celebrating.

Actually, there has been a lot of articles sent to VNN in the last month. Krparama must be lost somewhere in the wilds of Brazil, or lost his net connection......

Man killed in Vermont avalanche while making film on extreme skiing STOWE, Vt. (AP) A lifelong skier was killed when an avalanche carried him off a mountain while he and three friends were making a film about extreme skiing. Alec Stall, 23, was being filmed doing sweeping turns down a steep chute just before the accident Monday on Mount Mansfield. His friends believe Stall may have caught a ski tip in a crust of snow and fell 30 feet from a cliff edge. Above him, a slab of snow broke loose and created a river of snow that swept Stall off the mountain. ``I saw this huge rush of snow coming down in a cloud,'' said colleague Chris James. ``The cloud lasted 3 or 4 seconds, and he was gone.'' Stall was later found dead of injuries suffered in the fall. No one else was hurt. The four men worked for Burlington-based Meathead Films, a company they started while attending the University of Vermont. ``The draw is (that) I like to get scared,'' Stall once told an interviewer. ``It's about taking the sport to a new level about skiing where people wouldn't have thought possible 10 years ago.''

First of all, BV, get my name right. Srila Prabhupada named me Bhuta-bhavana dasa. Second of all, your questions are ridicuous. Ravana also has Visnu in his heart. If you want to equate the ragheads with the Xtians, go ahead. My money is on the Jews. They shall bury your liberal heart. DELINDA EST ISLAM

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The 40th birthday video for John is now available. Ya need RealPlayer plugin and its a 6MB file, but this is a Joy Division tune done by our bros neworder [which waz joy division]. We will try to digitize more, but the war is our priority. Transmission, NewOrder. rX

mahax: good to hear. i got O-3 myself. EO signed last week: posse commitatus adios

From the February 1999 Issue of Chronicles VIEW <u>Multiculturalism and Islam: Liberal Fiction and Historical Truth</u> by Srdja Trifkovic: "The beginnings of Muhammad's public career are little known to most Westerners. A non-Muslim reading the Koran, however, might conclude that Muhammad's career was marked by a long string of killings, armed robberies, and rape, interspersed by a series of inspired pronouncements of varying coherence. Outsiders--the Jews of Medinah, or Muhammad's Arabic kinsmen who were reluctant to accept his self-proclaimed divinity--could testify to his unique concepts of justice and mercy. When, in A.D. 626, for instance, six of Muhammad's henchmen murdered an elderly Jew by the name of Abu Rafi in his sleep, they argued afterwards whose weapon had actually ended the victim's life. The prophet decided that the person who owned the sword that still had traces of food on it was entitled to the credit. Abu Rafi had just finished his dinner before falling asleep, and the fatal slash went through his stomach". =========================== Islam is not a religion of peace...

<a href="http://members.ozemail.com.au/~dbates/koran.htm" target="_blank">The Bible compared with the Koran </a>

Unfortunately, that is what perhaps awaits us now. So many opportunities for heroism. Who will stand and fight? And who will shirk and whine and sing kum-bay-oo?

The 'eathen in 'is blindness bows down to wood an' stone; 'E don't obey no orders unless they is 'is own; 'E keeps 'is side-arms awful: 'e leaves 'em all about, An' then comes up the Regiment an' pokes the 'eathen out. All along o' dirtiness, all along o' mess, All along o' doin' things rather-more-or-less, All along of abby-nay, kul, an' hazar-ho, Mind you keep your rifle an' yourself jus' so! The young recruit is 'aughty -- 'e draf's from Gawd knows where; They bid 'im show 'is stockin's an' lay 'is mattress square; 'E calls it bloomin' nonsense -- 'e doesn't know, no more -- An' then up comes 'is Company an'kicks'im round the floor! The young recruit is 'ammered -- 'e takes it very hard; 'E 'angs 'is 'ead an' mutters -- 'e sulks about the yard; 'E talks o' "cruel tyrants" which 'e'll swing for by-an'-by, An' the others 'ears an' mocks 'im, an' the boy goes orf to cry. The young recruit is silly -- 'e thinks o' suicide. 'E's lost 'is gutter-devil; 'e 'asn't got 'is pride; But day by day they kicks 'im, which 'elps 'im on a bit, Till 'e finds 'isself one mornin' with a full an' proper kit. Gettin' clear o' dirtiness, gettin' done with mess, Gettin' shut o' doin' things rather-more-or-less; Not so fond of abby-nay, kul, nor hazar-ho, Learns to keep 'is rifle an "isself jus'so! The young recruit is 'appy -- 'e throws a chest to suit; You see 'im grow mustaches; you 'ear 'im slap' is boot. 'E learns to drop the "bloodies" from every word 'e slings, An 'e shows an 'ealthy brisket when 'e strips for bars an' rings. The cruel-tyrant-sergeants they watch 'im 'arf a year; They watch 'im with 'is comrades, they watch 'im with 'is beer; They watch 'im with the women at the regimental dance, And the cruel-tyrant-sergeants send 'is name along for "Lance." An' now 'e's 'arf o' nothin', an' all a private yet, 'Is room they up an' rags 'im to see what they will get. They rags 'im low an' cunnin', each dirty trick they can, But 'e learns to sweat 'is temper an 'e learns to sweat 'is man. An', last, a Colour-Sergeant, as such to be obeyed, 'E schools 'is men at cricket, 'e tells 'em on parade, They sees 'im quick an 'andy, uncommon set an' smart, An' so 'e talks to orficers which 'ave the Core at 'eart. 'E learns to do 'is watchin' without it showin' plain; 'E learns to save a dummy, an' shove 'im straight again; 'E learns to check a ranker that's buyin' leave to shirk; An 'e learns to malce men like 'im so they'll learn to like their work. An' when it comes to marchin' he'll see their socks are right, An' when it comes: to action 'e shows 'em how to sight. 'E knows their ways of thinkin' and just what's in their mind; 'E knows when they are takin' on an' when they've fell be'ind. 'E knows each talkin' corp'ral that leads a squad astray; 'E feels 'is innards 'eavin', 'is bowels givin' way; 'E sees the blue-white faces all tryin 'ard to grin, An 'e stands an' waits an' suffers till it's time to cap'em in. An' now the hugly bullets come peckin' through the dust, An' no one wants to face 'em, but every beggar must; So, like a man in irons, which isn't glad to go, They moves 'em off by companies uncommon stiff an' slow. Of all 'is five years' schoolin' they don't remember much Excep' the not retreatin', the step an' keepin' touch. It looks like teachin' wasted when they duck an' spread an 'op -- But if 'e 'adn't learned 'em they'd be all about the shop. An' now it's "'Oo goes backward?" an' now it's "'Oo comes on?" And now it's "Get the doolies," an' now the Captain's gone; An' now it's bloody murder, but all the while they 'ear 'Is voice, the same as barrick-drill, a-shepherdin' the rear. 'E's just as sick as they are, 'is 'eart is like to split, But 'e works 'em, works 'em, works 'em till he feels them take the bit; The rest is 'oldin' steady till the watchful bugles play, An 'e lifts 'em, lifts 'em, lifts 'em through the charge that wins the day! The 'eathen in 'is blindness bows down to wood an' stone -- 'E don't obey no orders unless they is 'is own. The 'eathen in 'is blindness must end where 'e began But the backbone of the Army is the Non-commissioned Man! Keep away from dirtiness -- keep away from mess, Don't get into doin' things rather-more-or-less! Let's ha' done with abby-nay, kul, and hazar-ho; Mind you keep your rifle an' yourself jus' so! - Rudyard Kipling

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E-MAIL THIS PAGE TO A FRIEND E-MAIL THE SECTION EDITOR THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 20 2001 Secret plans for 10-year war BY MICHAEL EVANS, DEFENCE EDITOR Generals rule out 'D-Day invasion' AMERICA and Britain are producing secret plans to launch a ten-year ?war on terrorism? ? Operation Noble Eagle ? involving a completely new military and diplomatic strategy to eliminate terrorist networks and cells around the world. Despite the mass build-up of American forces in the Gulf and the Indian Ocean, there will be no ?D-Day invasion? of Afghanistan and no repeat of the US-led Operation Desert Storm against Iraq in 1991, defence sources say. The notion that a US-led multinational coalition would attack Afghanistan from all sides for harbouring Osama bin Laden, the wealthy Saudi dissident leader and prime suspect for the terrorist outrages in New York and Washington, has been rejected in Washington and London. The sources also say that the planned campaign is not being focused on just ?bringing bin Laden to justice?. The build-up of firepower by the Americans in the region, notably the two aircraft carrier battle groups that are to be joined by a third carrier, USS Theodore Roosevelt, is seen as a major display of available military capability. While it is important for these assets to be in the right place in case of a political decision to launch a strike, there are no plans for a ?short-term fix?. The dramatically different anti-terrorism campaign is being planned to meet what is now regarded as the most dangerous threat to global security, known as asymmetric warfare. ?We?re expecting it to last from five to ten years,? one source said. New ideas are needed to counter small groups armed with the minimum of weaponry, whether conventional or non-conventional. Such groups have the capability to attack a nation as powerful as the United States, which is equipped with the full range of modern weapons and professional Armed Forces. Old doctrines for fighting wars, based on lining up tanks and artillery and layers of troops, are being thrown out and replaced by a more subtle and wide-ranging doctrine which seeks to defeat the enemy at its own game. ?The aim is not to go for the enemy?s strengths, but its weaknesses,? one source said. American and British planners are working on the basis that military strikes will take place only as part of a broader global counter-terrorist operation, embracing every other type of international action ? diplomatic, economic and political. Most of the focus of the ten-year campaign plan, the sources say, is on using military action as a potent back-up to all the other strands of Operation Noble Eagle. However, President Bush, conscious of the demand for ?revenge? from the American public, might sanction shorter-term military operation by special forces, or airstrikes, but only if there is sufficient intelligence to guarantee a sucessful outcome. ?There?s no point in firing a lot of missiles at bin Laden if they miss their target, or launching Tomahawks at bin Laden training camps if they are empty,? one source said. Donald Rumsfeld, the American Defence Secretary, also gave the strongest hint yesterday of what Operation Noble Eagle is all about. ?I think what you will see evolve over the next six, eight, ten, 12 months, probably over a period of years, is a coalition to help battle terrorists,? he told CNN. He added: ?This is a very new type of conflict or battle or campaign or war or effort, for the United States. We?re moving in a measured manner. As we gather information, we?re preparing appropriate courses of action, and they run across the political and economic and financial, military, intelligence spectrum.? British officials said the whole focus of the long-term American approach was being driven by Richard Cheney, the American Vice-President, and General Colin Powell, the Secretary of State. The combination of the two highly experienced men was guaranteeing a well-coordinated strategy. ?Everyone now knows it?s going to be a long haul, not a spectacular single strike,? one official said. The war on terrorism could be likened, they said, to the war on drugs or poverty, and the best way to undermine and eventually dismantle the terrorist structures around the world was to use the method of ?hearts and minds? ? encouraging foreign governments and people to join in the ?war? so that terrorists would be isolated and identified. Some of the most dramatic achievements, the sources say, might come, not from military action, but from political pressure on foreign governments to turn their backs on terrorism and to hand over the organisers of terrorist networks. They point to the campaign against Yugoslavia in 1999. Although the airstrikes fitted more closely to the ?old doctrine concept? of using massed firepower to target the enemy, which brought criticism from many parts of the world, Nato was also seen to be working as a humanitarian agency with its operation in Albania helping to build shelters for the thousands of refugees pouring out of Kosovo. The eventual outcome, the political downfall of Slobodan Milosevic and the decision by the new Government to hand him over to the war crimes tribunal in The Hague, is seen as a classic example of how military action can serve two purposes, defeating the enemy and effecting political change. In the Gulf War, the American-led coalition achieved one objective, driving the Iraqis out of Kuwait, but not the other, the overthrow of President Saddam Hussein by his own people. Already, the sources say, just over a week after the terrorist attacks in America, there have been positive developments: the Israeli and Palestinian leaders have agreed a new ceasefire and 1,000 clerics have been forced to gather in Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, to discuss the fate of bin Laden. Yesterday it was also announced that President Putin is to visit Nato headquarters in Brussels on October 3 and will meet Lord Robertson of Port Ellen, the Secretary- General, another positive sign that the Russian leader supports the campaign against terrorism. Russia and Nato put out a joint statement last week condemning the terrorist attacks and vowing that they would not go unpunished. Other coalitions against terrorism are also being rapidly formed and several countries, notably Pakistan yesterday, have offered bases for American military action. However, sources in Washington say there are no plans to deploy huge numbers of US troops to Pakistan, which would only inflame Islamic fundamentalists opposed to the decision by President Musharraf to grant US access to two air bases in the country.

Pita prabhuji, Dandavat pranams. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada! Please forgive my macabre humor. Godspeed. bb

Last seen in China. Maybe they Falun Gonged him.

mudmonji i have the best feelings that the tectonic plates are so stabilised now that i'm climbing the big one next week. Denali. Nowhere nohow do i get vibes of shakin. Look at perfect kiss and you see bb in the hallway, end of vidio. neworder forever! i go to meet my maker. and come back for more. surf's up....down... schuss the couloir NO PRISONERS (in my best John Beloshi accent)

Mt. Rainier Showing Signs Of Possible Eruption By J.J. Johnson Washington: Mt. Rainier Mt Rainier National Forest - Not much in Washignton Media, but here's what we know: Evidence is growing of a imminent volcanic eruption at Mt. Rainer in the state of Washington - within view of the Seattle - Tacoma area. Last week, reports had come from Canadian sources monitoring the Mountain that a possible volcanic eruption was coming soon, but that was quickly dismissed by the U.S Geological Service (USGS). This was reported on 1130 AM News Radio in Vancouver, British Columbia. However, this reporter, while on route back to Nevada witnessed a growing dome over on the southeast side of the mountain face from 37,000 feet. Then on Thursday, sources from the University of Washington told Sierra Times that mud was seen flowing from the mountain. Mt Rainier has been upgraded to a Level 2 - meaning a possible eruption in 30 to 90 days. Mount Rainier, the highest volcano in the Cascade Range (14,000 ft - 4392m), towers over a population of more than 2.5 million in the Seattle Tacoma metropolitan area. The National Park Service says the mountain has had recent volcanic events (last eruption was about 150 years ago), and it is likely to erupt again, based on past history; its location poses significant hazards to the heavily populated area. Mount Rainier and other similar volcanoes in the Cascade Range, such as Mount Adams and Mount Baker, erupt much less frequently than the more familiar Hawaiian volcanoes, but their eruptions are vastly more destructive. Hot lava and rock debris from Rainier's eruptions have melted snow and glacier ice and triggered debris flows (mudflows) The northeast part of Mount Rainier slid away about 5,600 years ago as part of a catastrophic collapse similar to, but much larger than, that of May 18, 1980 at Mount St. Helens. Debris from this collapse created the Osceola and Paradise mudflows that traveled down the White and Nisqually Rivers, reaching Puget Sound and pushing out the shoreline by as much as several miles. The scar from this collapse was a horseshoe-shaped crater, about 1.25 miles (wide, open to the northeast. Since the collapse, lava flows and avalanches of hot lava fragments have erupted from the crater and largely filled it, forming the present summit cone of Mount Rainier. A much larger dome is now visible from the naked eye on the southeast corner There is nothing to suggest that volcanic activity has ended at Mount Rainier, according to the USGS. Mount Rainier will surely erupt again, and this will affect people who live in the surrounding areas or who visit Mount Rainier National Park. Experience at other volcanoes indicates that renewed eruptions will likely be preceded by weeks or months of small earthquakes centered beneath the volcano. These earthquakes can be accompanied by swelling or other changes in the shape of the volcano, as well as changes in ground temperatures and the amount and type of gas released from the volcano. Earthquakes at Mount Rainier and other Cascade volcanoes are monitored by the University of Washington and the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), and the volcanoes' shapes are measured regularly by staff of the USGS's Cascades Volcano Observatory, located in Vancouver, Washington.

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big Wwves wish, mahax. heat wave ending today with a small low from the alaskan gulf coming ashore with wind, so the waves may be good (for bc anywayz ) here's a good vulcan resource: http://gldss7.cr.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/bulletin.html [This message has been edited by rand0M aXiS (edited 08-17-2001).]