Haridasdasdas

Ohh yeah; nothing new.It seems the blood spilled during partition riots is not enough for the grandson .The terrorists dont give a damn what mk gandhi or his progeny says.

Maybe if M K Gandhi hadn't let the Muslims live in India, there would have been less violence. maybe? Definately.

All this liberalism is nice to say and nice to be quoted as saying, but at the end of the day, the world isn't full of Gandhis, its full of nasty little buggers who'd sooner chop your head off than get out of your way.

By essentially being a 'do-gooder', hundreds maybe thousands of people might die. You cannot trust the Muslim people, history is proof of this.

im from trinidad and when we do a pooja we tend to plant flags that is dedicated to different gods and godesses. but ive also observed that many people from india do not practice the planting of the flag. i was woindering if any one know of the origion of planting of the flags came from, why dont many hindus from india do not practice this? <!-- im from trinidad and when we do a pooja we tend to plant flags that is dedicated to different gods and godesses. but ive also observed that many people from india do not practice the planting of the flag. i was woindering if any one know of the origion of planting of the flags came from, why dont many hindus from india do not prctice this? -->

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Probably because it is a made up ritual which doesn't appear in sastra?

If you are someone looking for answers or guidance in this research, IGNORE the trolling posts intended for mind control, misdirection and brainwashing.

 

You're really, REALLY stupid. Seriously just read the thread and read your responses to people. Please, don't use power tools.

Haridasdasdas,

 

I cannot answer you.

 

I am more involved on other important issues. My research is on mind control and aliens and how to counter it using Sanathana Dharma, not to answer your silly questions.

You are quoting sources but you do not know what they are.

You are calling your country by a foreign name.

What exactly defines me as the silly one?

Bloody hell SAr, can you not answer me? What scripture was that you quoted to me? Answer the question for the third time.

Where I come from is irrelevant. If you're too uneducated to realise what your country is called, that is a criticism of you, and has nothing to do with me. Hindustan is a foreign name and by using it you are degrading yourself to a slave of the bloodthirsty muslims.

It is puzzling to me that you live in India and you do not know this.

Look you GOT to look for other reasons for your strange condition, it could be due to unbalanced brain chemistry the brain is possible of making poeple belive in litteraly anything, there are many paranoid persons out there thinking they are getting followed but later realises that they where mentally sick when they get treatment. You said you are researcher so atleast research every possible possiblity before accepting a claim so unlikely.

I don't know whether or not what he says is true, but attacking him as paranoid is unneccessary and is simply an ad-hominem attack.

I call my land Hindustan. I am aware of other names.

 

 

There is nothing to sort out here.

Do the English call England 'Angleterre'? If they did, wouldn't you suggest they sort it out? It is a foreign name as I mentioned in the other thread.

You still haven't said where your quotes came from, since the name Hindustan is from the time of the Mughal invasion, it is quite obviously not a Vedic scripture. Perhaps if you are going to quote it you could explain to us what it is you are quoting before you claim it as an authority? Isn't this logical?

Ok if so then let it be.

So you will say Bharat or India from now on? This 'Hindustan' is just bowing down to the Mughals, and I hope you can appreciate that my sentiment is the same sa yours.

There is no such country as 'Hindustan'. That is a foreign name.

In Shastra it is called Bharat, in modern politics it is called India.

Whatever may be any relegion, let me describe Hinduism as a Religion, from Sanaathana Dharma...

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Aa sindho: sinduparyantham

yasya bhaaratha bhoomikaa

maathru bhoo: pithru bhoo (punya)

schaiva sa vai Hindu iti smruthaa:

 

</td></tr><tr><td height="37" valign="top">Whomsoever, is considering the land between the sapta sindu (Indus Valley River) up to Indian Ocean as the motherland, fatherland and holy land, is known as Hindu.

</td></tr><tr><td height="19" valign="top">This land is known as Hindustanam which is defined as follows:

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Himaalayam samaarabhya

yaavath hindu sarovaram

tham deva nirmitham desam

hindustaanam prachakshate.

 

</td></tr><tr><td height="38" valign="top">The land created by god himself; lying between Himalayas and Indian Ocean is known as Hindustanam

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Also i dont beleive by just READING my posts people will be MISGUIDED so i can RECEIVE their FAITH, and they can be influenced and their mind changed in a moment. I leave the choice to the people, whatever choice they take, it is their wish. Every person has a MIND which HAS FREE WILL. The main AIM of the evil is TO VITALLY SUPPRESS FREE WILL and fear it. That is absolutely not my intention. It is because ...

 

 

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Achaaryaath paadam aadatthe

paadam sishya swamedhayaa

paadam sa brahmachaaribhya

sesham kaala kramena cha

 

</td></tr><tr><td height="75" valign="top">It means you can get one quarter of the knowledge from Achaarya - the teacher, one quarter by analyzing oneself, one quarter by discussing with others and the last quarter one can get during the process of living by the method addition, deletion, correction, and modification of already known aachaaraas or new aachaaraas.

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Actually the EVIL ones are the ones that FEAR extinction. They fear they MIGHT be EXPOSED in the public so that they may be thrown out. For this, they attempt to do so many tactics, WHICH LITERALLY WILL HAVE NO VALUE AT THE END.

 

Hindustan? What is this that you're quoting? It isn't scripture, where did you get it from?

Are you referring to India/Bharat?

Sort yourself out.

Shiva takes the role of an administrative demigod, but actually in his origional form he is the expansion of Visnu and not a Jiva-tattva(separated living entity) like Indra, Ganesha etc. I was told that at an Iskcon temple by a Sanyasi. Other senior devotees have said the same thing.

My understanding on the Subject of Allah/Jehovah is that these are simply names for God.

Perhaps you are right, perhaps these were origionally deities in some pantheon of desert people(I'm pretty sure Allah was), but what is important is that the people woshipping allah and Jehovah are trying to contact the supreme, and Krishna always rewards this kind of effort. Id someone gets your name wrong when they call you, you may still understand they are calling you, and can still respond.

To say that the experience of God is universal and not connected to one sect or practise is not Mayavada, it is common sense based on observation.

I don't think I'm the best person to ask. Perhaps if you went to a temple and asked a senior devotee they might be able to explain this one better. Please don't just accept second rate answers and assume that that is all there is to be said.

It's up to us to work on our karma and merge with the supreme.

Well I don't agree with the last part of that.

Thats true haridas ji.

Thank you, I thought your points were pretty good as well. I think we need to realise that for many growing up in Hindu families, this culture not so familiar to them. I don't think it's going to get better yet.

IF Indians wants Santanan Dharma to survive, they must do the following :

 

1. Stop bowing to adharmic people.

 

2. Start practising their beliefs openly and without shame.

 

3. Learn to speak out about their beliefs with pride.

 

4. Discard "Slave Mentality".

 

Main reason why Santana Dharma in trouble is NOT because of adharmic people. They have always been there and could likely to be around for a long time. Main reason could be that Hindus themselves too ashamed to follow Hindusm with pride.

 

Hindusm IS THE ONLY BELIEF in the World capable of extending Science and Religion as it have covered many parts of Science such as Evolutions, Physic al Nature of the Universe, Big Bang, Multiverse and many more. Hindusm is a treasure trophy of knowledge but Indians are too "westenised" in their mindset to actually explore it further.

 

200 years of occupations and brain-washing from Westerners have left Indians with "belief" that they are outdated and outclassed and the only way they could move forward was by mimicking Westerners and their ways of life (without thinking that it was Westerners' way of Life which was the cause of India been occupied for nearly 200 years by the British).

 

Indians ... stop trying to be Westerners and start being Hindus. For that is who you are and that is who you will be no matter how hard you try. Fail that ... you will be nothing and not worth saving.

Great points. I think I'd add some more:

5) Read some scriptures. Just one Purana or something, it's all good.

6) Find out WHY you do certain things. If you don't know it's just empty ritualism.

7) Don't assume you know it all, very few people do.

8) After having educated yourself, educate your children with pretty much everything you know.

9) Don't take any nonsense from Muslims, and don't concede to their wishes, they aren't the same as Hindus, their religion is VERY different.

10) Maybe stop eating meat? At least don't eat foreign cows and say it's okay because they're 'not sacred'.

Carol Moriel's target group with this time consuming article are surely not the Vaishnavas. This is rather to rough up other Christians of her camp and to create group dynamics. Problem is that ISKCON NA is presently hardly able to address such issues and to actually clarify philosophical points. And this could be the actual case, article above is purposefully written wrongly, because they now that the reputation of the Vaishnava institutions is so much tarnished that they have no more power to counter such defamation.

What on earth are you talking about?

Wow, it's as if she's been studying a totally different sampradaya!

Mind emptying? Merging into God? Impersonal spiritual entity? Seriously, where did she get that from? She must have gone to the TM centre or something.

New age repackaged hinduism? Again, she has no understanding of the History of Gaudiya Vaisnavism and it's relationship to other Vaisnava groups.

This is the failure of the Christians, they have no understanding of anyone else, nobody else is worshipping their god apparently. What happened to monotheism? They dismiss everything based on their Bible, but if you ask them to explain their faith in the Bible they can't really. It's a patchwork quilt of a document that has little or nothing to do with the actual personality of Jesus. Simply put, most Christians are just trying to rationalise their beleif in God, and so choose this beleif system, instead of the one that would have the sun set into a pool of water after each day (wonderful Islamic science).

All these people come to criticise Prabhupada and what he founded in the west, but their criticisms are based on flawed information and carry no real weight. I've read everythign these people can throw and it's all rubbish. Real Christianity doesn't mean to follow a dodgy edited and mistranslated book with accompanying sectarian religion, it means to be like Jesus, and to embrace the mood of Jesus, in the same way we embrace the mood of Sri Caitanya. Jesus didn't throw rocks at stem cell scientists, he carried a cross. How many of his followers are actually prepared to do that?

Well I do not eat meat. I grew up in a Christian household, an American one, mid-American to be exact, and that was most of our diet. And now my parents are vastly overweight, loaded with health problems, yet it's like a drug, they are addicted to beef and pork. They know it's bad for them but they can't stop.

 

I was like that too, it never occured to me where it came from. I don't think to most people it does. Or they don't care. My family, I think, was typical - we only thought about ourselves, our own sensations, desires and convenience. That's why animal rights matter so little in the US. If you don't have to do the slaughtering, the blood isn't on your hands. Right? Right?

 

So anyway, it wasn't until I was much older that it became known to me how much animals suffer and how their suffering was legitimate and just as painful as my own. In all honesty I was brought up to believe that because God "gave" animals to people they could do all hell with them, it was their divine right. I certainly don't believe that now, how could I? Does their blood not flow? If they didn't feel it, wouldn't they withhold their screams?

 

I know I sinned terribly and in great ignorance those years of my life when I was so selfish as to not care that cows were getting pistons in their brains by the billions, that chickens were not so much "humanely slaughtered" (an oxymoron if I ever heard one!) as pulled apart without a care, and so on, only thinking of the taste in my mouth. I told myself I didn't have a choice - what a filthy lie! How could I not have a choice? Was I force-fed the same way the animals were that I was eating? Now I do all I can to repent, I suppose you could say. I adopt animals and care for them as I would for a child. I make sure they are fed as I make sure I am fed.

 

I think the poor health that accompanies meat-eating is only proof that it's against godliness. And you know, people act like they're making this huge, unbearable sacrifice giving up meat - I hardly notice it. It's amazing how easy the switch is.

You're totally right, it's not an austerity at all. I'm shocked how people who live in India, and presumably have enough money to fund a computer and internet connection, will moan about how difficult it is. You live in America and you stopped eating meat with little fuss, what do people have to moan about in countries like the UK and India, where it is so much easier.

Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya

He was speaking of trying to tell a man who witnessed his family's slaughter, not one who performed the slaughter, that their perspective is distorted. How does what you say pertain? I'm sure you have something in mind. Can you make it more transparent?

Suffering is temporary, and is created by the Jivas, not by Krishna. People with a materialistic mindset will be very distressed by it, but if we understand that the soul is eternal, and that every soul has passed through so much suffering already, we can understand the temporary nature of it. That's not to say that we shouldn't alleviate the suffering of others, simply that we shouldn't be too upset about it.

The material world is a place of suffering, since it is the abode of those who wish to be separate from god, and lord it over the material energy, including other living beings. So the suffering created by war, slaughterhouses, oppression etc is man-made and temporary. Chances are that everyone reading this has already undergone such horrible atrocities, but with a new birth they have forgotten them, so how can we identify so much with the trials and tribulation of the body?

LOL! Richard DORKins. Such fools.

“The posters will encourage people to

consider the most important question we will ever face in our lives.” - I wonder what is that most important question atheists will face in their lives.

Scrunch or fold?

Then Rama is portrayed blue, Shiva is portrayed blue, actually shiva is a Dravidian god borrowed by the vedic Aryans, Shiva should be black so everything thing must have made into blue body color and nothing more than that.

Rama is emerald and Siva is grey from the ash.

Again, the starving, homeless guy in Congo who just witnessed his family slaughtered, is going to disagree with you on this. If I go tell him that he is suffering because his "perspective is distorted", he will spit in my face.

 

It is easy for you and me to engage in idle speculate about how everything is just fine, a sport of the Lord, etc., because we have enough to eat, a roof on the head, our people are safe, there is no danger of raiding militants or Cholera, not to mention enough time to waste on discussion forums, etc.

 

I have tons to say on the topic, but as I said before, this is an inappropriate discussion on a spiritual forum and so I do not want to.

 

Cheers

The perspective of the man who killed this family is distorted, is it not? If people aren't doing this, then the environment IS friendly.

you are talking about iskcon . but somehow i dont appriciate this 'food for life ' programme as much as i do to other works of different organisations. take bharat sevashram sangha in india for example . the kind of dedication with which they continue their charitable works even after 100 years and limited funds is spellbounding . and most importantly they dont ask or even remotely expect anything in return. but iskcon inspite of having sound financial capabilities are latecomers to this field . that too with a intention of turning school children and poorpeople into krishna bhakta by regular intake of prasadam . while i dont deny their well intentions( depending on god is certainly good) but it does remind me of the christian missionaries providing outstanding charity just to preach gospel while they recover and turn them into baptised christians once they are out of the bed.

 

such a charity is never a pure charity nor a pure preaching but both rolled in one. this is sakaam charity or charity with desire .obviously someone might say that harinaam daan is the highest charity . i agree . but isnt it also said that harinaam and its glories should be only sung to those eligible to recieve it ?

 

can you manufacture devotees ? its something thats spontaneous within.

So you think it would be better if we didn't offer the food? You understand that devotees on Food for Life don't preach to the people they serve? Iskcon also do not ask or expect anything in return.

You seem to be criticising something you know nothing about.

Hi ,

maybe it is the tough economic times or maybe it is my own fearfulness or maybe my financial status right about now, but I am in a deep ditch, which I wasn't when I wasn't atheist lets say. I was happy atleast, now all I have is depression and anxiety. Fear has taken complete hold of me, everyday as I see myself go into more and more debt, all I can find comfort in is this book bhagavad gita, and prabhupada's words, ironically. The same words that I actually forbid myself from reading, those same ideas of surrender, which were once given up by me, I made my self believe that there is no God, then how can these words give me this type of comfort, I am still convinced that if there is God, he would be more visible. Anyway, atheism truly makes one miserable, maybe there is a better way.

 

You may not remember me, but anyway sorry for any offense I had created earlier as an atheistic moron.

It's all very well to be a devotee when things are going bad, but real devotion continues when things are good as well. I think you should start seriously practising Krishna Consciousness, and regularly reading books and scripture for at least a year before you decide whether or not you 'beleive' in God. Until then, I don't think you will be qualified to make a judgement either way.

That sounds harsh, but what I mean is that we cannot decide upon something until we know what it is we're deciding upon. I understand how confusing it can be when things are that uncertain.

Hari Hari Bol!

But I will not follow Prabhupada books.

 

-Hari

Let ones faith save him.

So, you accept that these principles are bonafide? Why are you inimical towards the movement of Sri Caitanya? Perhaps this is a better thing to disscuss.