Haridasdasdas

the word 'impersonal' is a total concoction.

 

When the Brahman is described in Vedic literature as nirvisesa it has nothing to do with personality or lack thereof. It refers to the uniformity of Brahman, or lack of visesa, or differentiations.

 

A true uttama-bhagavata is a real monist, actually seeing unity of all existence and all life, and the all pervasive presence of Bhagavan in everything that be.

 

When you sing in a perfect harmony with others in the chorus your voice merges with all the other voices and even you can not distinguish between your own singing and the chorus. Still, you do not lose your personal existence. In the chorus of Bhagavan there are many voices and may harmonies - all you need to do is pick the one you like and become part of that particular harmony.

 

Examples of translation: http://vedabase.net/n/nirvisesa

Wow what an explanation.

It seems kind of pointless when we have the same number of men and women. I don't know, but I've always imagined that the point of polygamy was mainly because of there being less men than women(wars etc), and the women needing protection.

I suppose nowadays it is mostly greedy men who are interested in polygamy.

Try MacDonalds or Burger King.

Alternatively, rent Indiana Jones.

If you wish to denigrate your religion further, you may wish to try human sacrifice, which after The Temple of Doom, you should be at least vaguely familiar with.

Let the bible be intolerant. How is that relevant to the topic? If someone asks a question on Krishna, you quote bible! Does that mean you can't answer questions? If bible is evil, does that necessarily mean gita, which advocates mass murder, is all good?

First of all, learn English. Killing in a war is not murder. That is not opinion, that is the Oxford English Dictionary. Maybe you should get a proper education.

Second of all, when people people refute your arguments, as they have, do not ignore their arguments, pretending they said nothing. Either make a counter argument or admit you have been defeated. Don't just bicker as a child.

If you cannot do any of these things, then you shouldn't waste your time in conversation.

ive only read good things about it from people whove been raw for the last 30 years. people who even run marathons. DR Norman Walker lived to be 116 eating 80-90 raw foods.. this is closer to Breathatarianism. Parmahansa Yogananda has reccomended eating mostly raw(living) foods. i went to a raw retreat and most people had a glow in their eyes. before any food is cooked it is raw, and easy to eat. i am glad i was introduced to raw food. it has been very helpful to my consciousness like Yoga and meditation!

heat destroys protein. heating above 115 destroys all enzymes. when youre heating the live food your destroying lots of the prana in it.

i havent tried sprouting rice, but i have sprouted mung beans, Lentils, quinoa, garbanzons, sunflower seeds, almonds, buckwheat, wheat, etc.. i eat mostly fruits and vegetables.

i am not for or against anyones lifestyle, i am simply sharing my experience and knowledge with all, because it has done me so well, out of gratefulness i am bound to help make This available to others. i think what you believe influences the assimilation of the food very much also.

in the words of Sri YukteswarJi "follow any simple diet which proved suited to ones constitution".

Om Peace

So you dont eat 100% raw foods? How expensive is it to buy sprouted pulses and grains? I've never seen them on sale, it sounds like it could be pricey.

i am sorry to interrupt but i must tell you that our thoughts and view pints atleast mine many times can change with time and situation.That is why we beleive the scriptures.You cant just all the time go on just experiences.If that was it then everybody would have become smart and spiritual.We explain through our mind by the amount of knowledge we have.

It is very limited unless you are spiritually very educated.

I agree with you! YAY! :D:)

I think perhaps my only real concern with Iskcon is that often they miss the big picture. And yes, there are morning prayers in Iskcon, there are two each morning at every temple.

My personal views.

1) Siva is not a demigod, he is Visnu Tattva, A swami explained this to me and I have read it for myself. However, devotees don't like to overload newcomers, and it's a simple explanation for people who are new to these ideas.

2) As far as I am concerned, it's a matter of giving association rather than taking it, and this is a personal matter. I have non-devotee friends, I read classic literature and philosophy from time to time. Oh, and occaisionally I like movies and some TV programmes. It's all about influence. Who is influencing you? That's all there is to it as far as I am concerned. These rules spring from a time when not associating with non-gaudiyas was relatively easy for many. Most devotees have association of others. Movies and TV are maya. I am in Maya. I regularly go to Mayaholics anonymous.

3) Gambling is driven by greed, if it is a tiny bit of gambling, it is a tiny bit of greed. It's not a spiritual activity, and this is why it is also banned in Christianity.

4)I don't think it is realistic to expect everyone to follow this. Sex outside of procreation is not Krishna Conscious, but I don't beleive that everyone can live this way (and most dont) every hour, and that within marriages allowances must be made, and people need to be hoenst with themselves. Any married couple who can practise celibacy are defiantely saintly people.

5) I don't know very many people, outside of those living in and around temples, who never eat foods cooked by nondevotees.

6) There is no such rule. Also, Iskcon/Gaudiya Math do nto liek to think of themselves as 'Hindus'.

5(again) Becoming Krishna Conscious is the solution, chanting is a means.

6(again) This is subjective really. Not a resolvable argument either way. Then again, when was your last Surya Yajna?

I think this is another example of the cart being put before the horse. The point is not how your hair is cut, the point is to be Krishna Conscious, and people lose sight of that in a myriad of regulations.

I just don't see how you people can do so about other people just becoz 'he is depicted like Gauranga.'

This is a picture of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. A very famous pose, in which He has been painted for as long as people have been painting Him. It wouldn't be hard to turn this into a picture of Kripalu Maharaj, if his dhoti was saffron (Caitanya shaved his head when he took sannyasa) and his face was a bit different.

I have seen this picture recreated as Kripalu Maharaj. I mean to say it was painted in the exact same way as this famous painting of Caitanya, and when I first saw it, I thought it was Caitanya(since pictures of Nimbarkacarya, Madhva et al were on the page). If i remember correctly, Kripalu was not painted with a saffron dhoti, which makes me more suspicious. Kripalu has also been referred to as 'MahaPrabhu'. To me that soudns like someone who is either comparing themselves to Caitanya, or allowing others to compare them to Caitanya. This seems not only unneccessary but also very insensitive. You will note that another poster has seen the same picture and agreed with this sentiment. I have not been able to find this picture online, and neither have I been able to find any photos of Kripalu Maharaj standing in this manner.

Perhaps you can appreciate that a person in the age of Kali will naturally be suspicious of any claimed 'avatar', since there are so many, and often they are not reputable people.

Other than that, I can appreciate the universality of the message of Bhakti, and I said myself that I had no basis for making allegationsof Primus Noctus on, other than hearsay. I did not bring up the subject of the rape allegation (I don't beleive it's true).

I remember an iskon devotee.I made him see one of Mahrajji's lectures...He flipped !

 

He has long hair.How can he have long hair ?? Only Krsna is Purusha.He just can't have long hair.His son said,"His followers are looking like fake devotees."

I quickly switched off the T.V. fearing he might commit more offenses.

 

I felt like screaming out to him,"Did you even hear a single word he said about Sri krsna Tattva and his incomparable knowledge ?? You just saw his glittering gold watch and you saw hair on his head. Don't you know that Nimbarkacharya had hair on his head ??? He was of such a stature that you can never even dream of attaining the same."

Which is why I try not to align myself with Iskcon. I completely agree with you on this point, let's not forget that most/all of the Pancha tattva had long hair at some point or another, and it has nothing to do with being an avatar.

Ok cut it now.

You come and pounce on others posts without thinking i guess.

You guess wrong. Constantly every post you make is an attempt to belittle the intelligence of the poster you disagree with. What kind of Yogi does that? I have questions, things I have seen and rumours that I heard. I stated nothing as fact that I did not know for certain.

Despite this, you are thoroughly incapable of entering debate without simply suggesting that the other party is 'not thinking' 'misunderstanding' etc.

Yea, but Gaudiyas beleive that Siva is the expansion of Narayana.

Don't start a Siva Vs Visnu argument, it's unresolvable, which is why there is an argument. Has it not occurred to you that there are supposed to be both Vaisnavas and Saivaites? Is it not obvious?

Why dont you go back and check why i had posted the story.

Simply because he wanted to ask what was happening during the time after mahabharat and bhavishya puraan mentions it.As per my knowledge india used to be much bigger at the time of mahabharat.

And pradeepji wanted to know about the condition of other religions also, so i had posted the story.

So do you understand why i quoted it.

Yes, now you need to provide some evidence that this is a good source. I mean, just about any evidence other than the fact it has 'Purana' on the cover(if it is even published).

Well maybe you cannot beleive everything written in it.

But I suppose then thats the case with other puraan also.

There are many instances.You know about it.

 

Why dont you beleive in this

 

is it because your hate against christians or do you undermine the prediction capacity of purana.

It's because I don't underestimate the absolute stupidity, arrogance, deceitfulness, and egotism which men are capable of.

You still have not found a person of note who accepts this Purana. The burden of proof is upon you, as you are the one quoting it.

Now do i start saying same about your iskcon as ive heard some gurus have been charged of such things there also.But no im not like that i respect iskcon and you respect him or atleast get to know about who you are talking about.Just because he is of different sampradaya then you start finding fault or criticising.A photo you see and you come up with false theories .Besides you even dont know about him.Go to his website.

First of all, it wasn't a photo, as I previously stated. It was a drawing, and I beleive it's only found on their large leaflet. Another poster agreed with me, havign seen it. I can find no photographs of Kripalu Maharaj in that posture. You have not seen this picture sadly, so we will have to stop talking about it.

Can you find problems with Iskcon gurus? That doesn't bother me.

Do you know what a straw man argument is? Perhaps you should look it up. I talked about the first night of marriage, and you refer to rape allegations which were never proved. This was not what I was referring to.

Anyway, I haven't found any evidence other than a lot of conjecture and rumour, so I will leave it there.

yes its true that neo hinduism does exist . but i dont think that it is as dangerous as is being said here . all religions are constantly changing and adding on new ideas ....this is more so in case of hinduism . so common sociological law indicates that newer interpretations of hinduism is bound to replace the older ones .

 

there have been some changes in its structure but that is not totally alien to hinduism . for example traditional hinduism was composed of distinct and seperate sects which generally did not believe in each other's pjilosophy . but modern hindusim is more open and accepts all sects as one . but this idea of onesness was already present in the hindu structure as is evident from panchopasana and similar practices.

 

just like sankaracharya introduced monistic philosophy in a big way , but it had existed even before that , which is evident when we see sankaracharya drawing references of earlier sutra-kaars . similarly ramanujacharya and the bhakti movement of middle ages changed the face of hinduism forever , but the essentials of bhakti were there long before them .

 

hinduism as a social way of life constantly adjusts and readjusts itself to the surroundings . think of the period of buddhism . with the state patronage and everything going towards the buddhists the hindu intellectuals restructured their religion to make it strong . the earlier insignificant ideas like reincarnation , karmic law etc were brought into prominence. buddha was cleverly incorporated as an avatar . this also changed hinduism forever , but for its own good .

 

personally i veiw this as a change in hinduism . an improvistaion of the existing ideas . but i dont agree with people derogating the idols etc. that type of hyper neo hinduism should be condemmed ( if it exists at all) . and i dont believe at all that hinduism is weakened by this . i dont think hindusim would collapse for such flimsy causes . the astounding spread of hinduism all over the west is a testimony to the fact that it is actually getting a rebirth .........who knows it might overtake the west as it once did with south east asia !!!

That's an intersting idea, that 'reform' is merely showing it in a different way.

I'll say one thing though. Catholics don't refer to statues of the virgin Mary as 'Idols'. Also, I cannot imagine any Christian referring to their beleifs as 'mythology'.

These are derogatary terms that have been forced into the english language of Indians, since as far as I am aware, before 1947 most English teachers in India were English.

I'd say these words don't help you in any way.

i suggest you learn and read about the mentioned 18 puraans and then come.

Yea, I'm so silly for not accepting a scripture about Queen Victoria and Adam.

Maybe there once was a Bhavishya Purana that was real, but do you really beleive that VedaVyasa wrote about these things? Can you find anyone who supports this Purana? Anyone at all? If you can't, then I say it isn't a reputable scripture.

Respected Haridas ji

Would you please tell me something about bhavishya puran, like about it's origin, reliability and to which religion it belongs.

I'm not the one using it as an argument, sant is, therefore the burden of proof is upon him. That's how a debate works.

So Arya Samaj would be Neo Hinduism?

They exist in different time/space continuum, forming different dimensions of our Universe.

Interesting idea, where is this from?

I doubt however, that anyone especially Vaishnava, would accuse someone of adultery just to discredit someone.

I don't doubt that at all, you have to stop assuming everyone is rational and sane, because they aren't.

On topic though, I never heard anything about rape, this trial is a separate incident unrelated, a straw man argument from Sant. I also doubt that the Maharaj would be fit and able to be bedding women at 85 though.

I said it with you agreeing on archaelogical works completely.

 

 

If you say you are faithful then why are you asking who is the supreme power.When youve already mentioned him.

If i tell that to you who is supreme power ,

Then you would ask questions such as why, how,etc.

 

Then i would qoute the scriptures .

 

Then these people will come again with their archaeoligical theories on scriptures.

 

 

 

And its hard to watch people calling vedik scriptures as just archaelogical finds or something .

Bhavishya purana is not Vedic. Find me anyone of note who accepts it. Not just Vaisnavas, anyone respectable, you wont find them.

of course it isnt a sanskrit name.

Dont you know that.

Don't I know that? I just told you that you strange person.

This Purana is a concoction, anyone can see that. You need to give up your internet reading, because you come up with crap like this. Get soem consistency.

Not only is it a concoction, but the english is terrible, no wonder it only lives on the internet.

BHAVISHYA PURAAn

.In the meantime, Indra rained for 40 days continuously. The whole Bhaarat was filled with water. All four seas became one. Prithvi sank in that water except Himaalaya's Badaree Van area remained above he water. Those 88,000 Rishi and Muni stayed there only protected from this calamity. Nyooh also arrived there and got saved. All other beings of the world got destroyed.

Old Testament much?

what do you two mean??

The quality of english is terrible, and who is Adam? Adam is an anglicised hebrew name from the old testament, it isn't sanskrit.

As far as I'm aware, there is no sampradaya that follows all puranas, since there are different ones that say different things, and not everyone thinks that every purana has come from a proper source. Ie there's one of them that mentions Queen Victoria and Mohammed.

I also heard that Kripalu Maharaj sleeps with his disciples but I didn't know anything about him having a family. He has an ashram in Vrindavan where he is said to invite disciples and sleep with them. Obviously, there is no way to know for sure unless we asked Maharaj directly and he admitted to it(which would be stupid, because even if he was doing I doubt that he'd admit it).So, basically it's just rumors or gossip. A few devotees have gone to visit his Barsana Dham in Austin, mainly out of curiosity and they all came with different points of view and some had mixed feeligns. I don't know what to make of it myself, but I don't like how he likens himself to Radha Krishna and Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, that leaves an uncomfortable feeling in me. you can see it and read about it on his website. http://www.barsanadham.org/

I remember seeing that leaflet, of which Haridasdasdas prabhu speaks of and it is very cartoony, it just makes me giggle.

Yea my friend stayed in his Asram and says that he sleeps with his disciples wives on the first night of their marriage, and gives them back as 'prasadam'. I don't know if that is true though.